Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

2015-06-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Last night’s coil was number five of six that have been replaced.  I already 
ordered number six and I’m picking it up on the way home from work tonight. I 
would rather spend the $47 for another coil than worry about it crapping out on 
them a couple weeks from now. At least then I know they’ve all been replaced at 
this point, as each one is a ticking time bomb. For under $100 I’ll be able to 
live with myself when they drive the car away.


Now there's a use for an Advance Auto Parts $40 off on $100 coupon.

With my S420, it had a bad #8 coil. I bought it an ordered a $50 Beck-Arnley, 
because it came with the boot and was cheaper than Bosch. Got an unmarked 
Chinese coil, but it worked. Car started misfiring within five miles on the way 
home. Computer said #4 coil. Swapped #4 with #3, computer said #3 coil. At that 
point, the car had 4 Bosch/Mercedes coils in it and four no-names. All 4 of the 
starmarked coils were made the 14th week of 1997. I bought a couple of Diften 
coils with boots from two different Amazon sellers. They were less than $30 
each, I'd install whichever one got here first and I'd have a spare. So far, the 
Beck Arnley and the Diften are working fine. They look just like the other 
replacement coils on the car. I wonder if all the coils without brand markings 
on them come from the same place, and I wonder if it's URO. I'm pretty confident 
none of them came from the local MBZ dealer.


Sure, I believe the seller, the car was dealer serviced and the seller had a 
stack of dealer receipts before his wife threw them out./sarcasm
A car practically resting on the bump stops, with both front springs broken in 
at least two places each. A car with three noname coils, 7 Champion and 1 
Autolite spark plug in it. At least I can be glad it had four factory wipers on 
it, but the passenger side windshield wiper had to be over five years old.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

2015-06-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Good point. Good Midwestern ethics, maybe?

I can assure you that if I visit my Dad's grave I'll hear him spinning at a 
high rate of speed, for sure. I have no doubt he would be aghast at the things 
that go on in the banking industry today.

Dan

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 On Jun 17, 2015, at 6:22 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Dan writes:
 
 ‎That’s what happens when you grow up in a family of bankers. Once you 
 give up your integrity, you’ve got nothing.
 
 Perhaps that was true of the bankers of yore. I don't think it applies to 
 today's bankers, at the uppermost levels. Maybe that's why so many have had 
 fatal accidents, and committed suicide in the last several years. 
 
 http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/01/who_is_killing_the_great_bankers_of_europe.html
 
 http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/04/suspicious-deaths-of-bankers-are-now-classified-as-“trade-secrets”-by-federal-regulator/
 
 Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

2015-06-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Last night’s coil was number five of six that have been replaced.  I already 
ordered number six and I’m picking it up on the way home from work tonight. I 
would rather spend the $47 for another coil than worry about it crapping out on 
them a couple weeks from now. At least then I know they’ve all been replaced at 
this point, as each one is a ticking time bomb. For under $100 I’ll be able to 
live with myself when they drive the car away.

It’s funny, because a couple of weeks ago when the youngest son was driving it 
he was complaining about a misfire.  Try as we might, it wouldn’t throw a code, 
preliminary or permanent.  Then, after a week of driving, it stopped.  I wasn’t 
going to start throwing parts at it, so it’s good that it finally died now so 
at least I could address the issue.

I’m driving the car to work today to run it through it’s paces thoroughly.  
Then I’ll feel comfortable about selling it.

Dan


 On Jun 16, 2015, at 10:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 Given the situation, I would have taken the buyer to FLAPS, showed him how to 
 replace a coil, and told him to come back if that didn't fix it.
 I suspect once they start going, he'll be replacing one or two a year for the 
 next 3-5 years.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

2015-06-17 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Dan writes:

‎That’s what happens when you grow up in a family of bankers. Once you give 
up your integrity, you’ve got nothing.

Perhaps that was true of the bankers of yore. I don't think it applies to 
today's bankers, at the uppermost levels. Maybe that's why so many have had 
fatal accidents, and committed suicide in the last several years. 

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/01/who_is_killing_the_great_bankers_of_europe.html

http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/04/suspicious-deaths-of-bankers-are-now-classified-as-“trade-secrets”-by-federal-regulator/

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

2015-06-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Can’t help it, man.  It’s the way I was brought up.

That’s what happens when you grow up in a family of bankers. Once you give up 
your integrity, you’ve got nothing.

Dan

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I want to buy something from Dan - anything.  Even if I don't need/want it.
 


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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

2015-06-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Since I bought the coils on separate orders, they were under $100. I used the 
promo code TRT30 and got 30% off, knocking the price down to $47 and change.

Advance has coils for the Mazda as cheap as $30, but they don't stock them. 
While I would have rather gone that route, I couldn't wait.

I have an Advance Auto store 4 miles from the house that is a regional mini 
warehouse, as it's a former CVS store with a mezzanine. They stock a huge 
inventory and pretty much have anything and everything that's available from a 
store. Very convenient.

Dan

 On Jun 17, 2015, at 7:32 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 Last night’s coil was number five of six that have been replaced.  I already 
 ordered number six and I’m picking it up on the way home from work tonight. 
 I would rather spend the $47 for another coil than worry about it crapping 
 out on them a couple weeks from now. At least then I know they’ve all been 
 replaced at this point, as each one is a ticking time bomb. For under $100 
 I’ll be able to live with myself when they drive the car away.
 
 Now there's a use for an Advance Auto Parts $40 off on $100 coupon.
 
 With my S420, it had a bad #8 coil. I bought it an ordered a $50 Beck-Arnley, 
 because it came with the boot and was cheaper than Bosch. Got an unmarked 
 Chinese coil, but it worked. Car started misfiring within five miles on the 
 way home. Computer said #4 coil. Swapped #4 with #3, computer said #3 coil. 
 At that point, the car had 4 Bosch/Mercedes coils in it and four no-names. 
 All 4 of the starmarked coils were made the 14th week of 1997. I bought a 
 couple of Diften coils with boots from two different Amazon sellers. They 
 were less than $30 each, I'd install whichever one got here first and I'd 
 have a spare. So far, the Beck Arnley and the Diften are working fine. They 
 look just like the other replacement coils on the car. I wonder if all the 
 coils without brand markings on them come from the same place, and I wonder 
 if it's URO. I'm pretty confident none of them came from the local MBZ dealer.
 
 Sure, I believe the seller, the car was dealer serviced and the seller had a 
 stack of dealer receipts before his wife threw them out./sarcasm
 A car practically resting on the bump stops, with both front springs broken 
 in at least two places each. A car with three noname coils, 7 Champion and 1 
 Autolite spark plug in it. At least I can be glad it had four factory wipers 
 on it, but the passenger side windshield wiper had to be over five years old.
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

2015-06-17 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
So your entire family is Trans-German now?

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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

2015-06-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

What difference, at this point, does it make?

--R



On 6/17/15 7:09 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Good point. Good Midwestern ethics, maybe?

I can assure you that if I visit my Dad's grave I'll hear him spinning at a 
high rate of speed, for sure. I have no doubt he would be aghast at the things 
that go on in the banking industry today.

Dan

Sent from my iPad


On Jun 17, 2015, at 6:22 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

Dan writes:

‎That’s what happens when you grow up in a family of bankers. Once you give up 
your integrity, you’ve got nothing.

Perhaps that was true of the bankers of yore. I don't think it applies to 
today's bankers, at the uppermost levels. Maybe that's why so many have had 
fatal accidents, and committed suicide in the last several years.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/01/who_is_killing_the_great_bankers_of_europe.html

http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/04/suspicious-deaths-of-bankers-are-now-classified-as-“trade-secrets”-by-federal-regulator/

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

2015-06-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Based on my experience with the Mazda, I have to believe the COPs have a finite 
life, and when one starts to go the rest aren't far behind.

Dan

 On Jun 17, 2015, at 7:32 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 Last night’s coil was number five of six that have been replaced.  I already 
 ordered number six and I’m picking it up on the way home from work tonight. 
 I would rather spend the $47 for another coil than worry about it crapping 
 out on them a couple weeks from now. At least then I know they’ve all been 
 replaced at this point, as each one is a ticking time bomb. For under $100 
 I’ll be able to live with myself when they drive the car away.
 
 Now there's a use for an Advance Auto Parts $40 off on $100 coupon.
 
 With my S420, it had a bad #8 coil. I bought it an ordered a $50 Beck-Arnley, 
 because it came with the boot and was cheaper than Bosch. Got an unmarked 
 Chinese coil, but it worked. Car started misfiring within five miles on the 
 way home. Computer said #4 coil. Swapped #4 with #3, computer said #3 coil. 
 At that point, the car had 4 Bosch/Mercedes coils in it and four no-names. 
 All 4 of the starmarked coils were made the 14th week of 1997. I bought a 
 couple of Diften coils with boots from two different Amazon sellers. They 
 were less than $30 each, I'd install whichever one got here first and I'd 
 have a spare. So far, the Beck Arnley and the Diften are working fine. They 
 look just like the other replacement coils on the car. I wonder if all the 
 coils without brand markings on them come from the same place, and I wonder 
 if it's URO. I'm pretty confident none of them came from the local MBZ dealer.
 
 Sure, I believe the seller, the car was dealer serviced and the seller had a 
 stack of dealer receipts before his wife threw them out./sarcasm
 A car practically resting on the bump stops, with both front springs broken 
 in at least two places each. A car with three noname coils, 7 Champion and 1 
 Autolite spark plug in it. At least I can be glad it had four factory wipers 
 on it, but the passenger side windshield wiper had to be over five years old.
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

2015-06-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Yep.  Amen.

Wilton

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Can’t help it, man.  It’s the way I was brought up.

That’s what happens when you grow up in a family of bankers. Once you give 
up your integrity, you’ve got nothing.


Dan

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mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


I want to buy something from Dan - anything.  Even if I don't need/want 
it.





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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

2015-06-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
True.

He's dead, Jim.

Dan

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 What difference, at this point, does it make?
 
 --R
 

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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

2015-06-16 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I want to buy something from Dan - anything.  Even if I don't need/want it.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 11:03 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:

 ATTABOY!

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 9:57 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Today's Cluster



  Got the wife’s former 2005 Mazda 6s all gussied up and Martha’ed
 yesterday.  Took pictures last night, posted ad on CL and got a flood of
 responses.

 First guy the responds back to me from the inquiries I got says he’ll be
 right over to check the car out.  He sounds nice and solid.  He shows up
 with son in tow, they look the car over, take it for a drive, come back and
 give me my asking price.  Nice.

 I’m on the phone with the insurance company canceling the policy on the
 car, and I keep getting these bursts of tone/static/whatever on the phone.
 I chalk it up the insurance company routing me through a call center in
 Bangalore to speak with “Andy” to determine where to route my call.

 I finish up and look at the phone and notice that the guy who bought the
 car has been trying to call me.  Hmm. I call him back.

 He says the car is running poorly and acting funny.  Not good.  I tell
 him to get back to my house ASAP and he can have his money back, as I’m not
 about to sell a car with issues.  He says OK, and I pace in front of the
 garage waiting for him to return.

 He gets back and I put the OBDII reader on the car.  P0305 - bum ignition
 coil (COPs) on the #5 cylinder.  Dammit.

 “Can you fix it while we wait?”

 Nope.  Here is your money, sorry for the inconvenience.”

 “But I want the car.  My son wants the car.”

 “I don’t sell cars with issues.  I stand behind anything I sell, and if
 I’m not confident it’s good, I am not going to sell it to someone.”

 Long story short, he still wants the car.  It’s a graduation gift for his
 son, and the kid was obviously smitten with it.

 I went out to FLAPS and got a new coil, took me all of five minutes to
 swap (thank goodness it’s one of the ones in front!) and then road tested
 the car on surface streets and the interstate without it missing a lick.
 I’m going to send it over to the local stealer to give the once-over
 tomorrow and I’ll go ahead and sell it to him.

 Dang, I felt like to real dick when he brought the car back.  I felt
 worse for his son. I think the guy was so impressed with my honesty that he
 was even more convinced he wanted the car.  I would’t have been able to
 sleep if he had taken it the way it was and chalked things up to experience.

 How do car salesmen do it?  They must not have consciences.

 Dan




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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

2015-06-16 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


Given the situation, I would have taken the buyer to FLAPS, showed him how to 
replace a coil, and told him to come back if that didn't fix it.
I suspect once they start going, he'll be replacing one or two a year for the 
next 3-5 years.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

2015-06-16 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Mazda Martha writes:

How do car salesmen do it?  They must not have consciences.

Used car salesmen and criminal attorneys (present company excepted) are cut 
from the same cloth. Borderline psychopaths. 

‎https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopath

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

2015-06-16 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

ATTABOY!

Wilton

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Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 9:57 PM
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Got the wife’s former 2005 Mazda 6s all gussied up and Martha’ed 
yesterday.  Took pictures last night, posted ad on CL and got a flood of 
responses.


First guy the responds back to me from the inquiries I got says he’ll be 
right over to check the car out.  He sounds nice and solid.  He shows up 
with son in tow, they look the car over, take it for a drive, come back 
and give me my asking price.  Nice.


I’m on the phone with the insurance company canceling the policy on the 
car, and I keep getting these bursts of tone/static/whatever on the phone. 
I chalk it up the insurance company routing me through a call center in 
Bangalore to speak with “Andy” to determine where to route my call.


I finish up and look at the phone and notice that the guy who bought the 
car has been trying to call me.  Hmm. I call him back.


He says the car is running poorly and acting funny.  Not good.  I tell him 
to get back to my house ASAP and he can have his money back, as I’m not 
about to sell a car with issues.  He says OK, and I pace in front of the 
garage waiting for him to return.


He gets back and I put the OBDII reader on the car.  P0305 - bum ignition 
coil (COPs) on the #5 cylinder.  Dammit.


“Can you fix it while we wait?”

Nope.  Here is your money, sorry for the inconvenience.”

“But I want the car.  My son wants the car.”

“I don’t sell cars with issues.  I stand behind anything I sell, and if I’m 
not confident it’s good, I am not going to sell it to someone.”


Long story short, he still wants the car.  It’s a graduation gift for his 
son, and the kid was obviously smitten with it.


I went out to FLAPS and got a new coil, took me all of five minutes to 
swap (thank goodness it’s one of the ones in front!) and then road tested 
the car on surface streets and the interstate without it missing a lick. 
I’m going to send it over to the local stealer to give the once-over 
tomorrow and I’ll go ahead and sell it to him.


Dang, I felt like to real dick when he brought the car back.  I felt worse 
for his son. I think the guy was so impressed with my honesty that he was 
even more convinced he wanted the car.  I would’t have been able to sleep 
if he had taken it the way it was and chalked things up to experience.


How do car salesmen do it?  They must not have consciences.

Dan




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