Re: [MBZ] Tschuss
Adopted, yes. Adopted correctly, no. Microsoft's user-interface bozos were too stupid to realize that the command or open apple key on the Mac and Apple II was not the same as the control key but had a different function entirely. Since control already had a recognized function---sending commands to control a remote system in terminal emulation, hence the name---they should have used a different key. It's not like there was a shortage of modifier keys on the original IBM PC keyboard---Alt would have been perfect. If you don't get what I'm ranting about, here's a question to ponder: In a Windows terminal emulation program, what does the key combination control-C do? Does it cut selected text, or does it send a break to the remote system? On the Mac there's only one possible answer. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo On 1/13/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, they did adopt control S, X, C, V, P, W and maybe a few others from applewriter. You only have to substitute control for the open apple key, but that is pretty intuitive. What is amazing to me is how few Winders users know how to use these basic Apple[1] shortcuts. They save so much time! These shortcuts were used in applewriter, the first WP program I knew of for apple, then were used in appleworks, then were used in Word for Mac, and eventually made it into all the MSoffice applications to some extent. Loren MCSE, MCT, Mac lover (living in both camps) Still have apple II with Rev. a motherboard. Thing refuses to die! Started out with pencil cards because the keypunch machines were considered much too valuable to let mere mortals use. (Don't really care to start a flame war) At 09:43 AM 1/13/2006, you wrote: ü=Alt+0252 on the number pad. Hold Alt and type 0252 on the number pad. _So_ much more intuitive than Apple's nasty option-u prefix to any umlautable vowel. Ditto the other common accent marks, from memory the optioned `, n, e, and i which yield è, ñ, é, and î when you tack them on likely candidates. (The option is attached to their most common associated letter for ease of memorization.) I never understood why the PC never came up with a decent input method rather than (effectively) memorization of the font's glyph map. Both these input methods date from the 80's, but I know which one I'd rather use. Let the wars begin! -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Tschuss
Or use 'Charactermap' under Programs Accessories System Tools, select, copy and paste. On 1/13/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ü=Alt+0252 on the number pad. Hold Alt and type 0252 on the number pad. -Original Message- From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 13, 2006 8:11 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tschuss Yes I know, but I don't know how to include umlauts unless I cut n' paste. How did you do it? On 1/13/06, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is actually Tschüss with the Umlaut. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K) Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix) '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] Tschuss
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:52:23 -0800 Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adopted, yes. Adopted correctly, no. Microsoft's user-interface bozos were too stupid to realize that the command or open apple key on the Mac and Apple II was not the same as the control key but had a different function entirely. Since control already had a recognized function---sending commands to control a remote system in terminal emulation, hence the name---they should have used a different key. It's not like there was a shortage of modifier keys on the original IBM PC keyboard---Alt would have been perfect. If you don't get what I'm ranting about, here's a question to ponder: In a Windows terminal emulation program, what does the key combination control-C do? Does it cut selected text, or does it send a break to the remote system? On the Mac there's only one possible answer. I get it and have been bugged for awhile, too. Don't forget about control-S and control-Q to stop and start terminal output. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Tschuss
On 1/14/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:52:23 -0800 Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adopted, yes. Adopted correctly, no. Microsoft's user-interface bozos were too stupid to realize that the command or open apple key on the Mac and Apple II was not the same as the control key but had a different function entirely. Since control already had a recognized function---sending commands to control a remote system in terminal emulation, hence the name---they should have used a different key. It's not like there was a shortage of modifier keys on the original IBM PC keyboard---Alt would have been perfect. If you don't get what I'm ranting about, here's a question to ponder: In a Windows terminal emulation program, what does the key combination control-C do? Does it cut selected text, or does it send a break to the remote system? On the Mac there's only one possible answer. I get it and have been bugged for awhile, too. Don't forget about control-S and control-Q to stop and start terminal output. Craig Ah, a fellow curmudgeon! Yeah, ctrl-S and ctrl-Q are even better examples since you could hit ctrl-S expecting to save and then sit there wondering why your remote session had frozen... Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo
Re: [MBZ] Tschuss
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Adopted, yes. Adopted correctly, no. Microsoft's user-interface bozos were too stupid to realize that the command or open apple key on the Mac and Apple II was not the same as the control key but had a different function entirely. Since control already had a recognized function---sending commands to control a remote system in terminal emulation, hence the name---they should have used a different key. It took Apple a while, too. Early Mac keyboards had no control key, forcing hacks like using the Option key instead in terminal software.
Re: [MBZ] Tschuss
It is actually Tschüss with the Umlaut. On 1/12/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I honeymooned in Southern Germany back in '97. In the outskirts of Munich, we visited a charming little town where an nice old man showed us his homemade mechanical creations which each utilized the hydropower of water flowing downhill in in his yard. After viewing and marvelling at his genius, I departed with a hearty Tschuss!. He just looked at me, seeming to scowl with contempt. I've assumed all this time that I somehow failed to offer proper deference to his age and status by using such an informal term. Still don't know if I just misinterpreted his response, or what. On 1/12/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My daughter spent a year in Germany in 99-00. She used it then. We visited her family in Bavaria (Bayruth) in 2002 and they all used the word. I can't remember is the family in Aachen used it, but I think they did. I am afraid the [slang?] has even been put to use in Bavaria. I wondered about the origin and use also. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] Tschuss
Yes I know, but I don't know how to include umlauts unless I cut n' paste. How did you do it? On 1/13/06, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is actually Tschüss with the Umlaut. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)
Re: [MBZ] Tschuss
ü=Alt+0252 on the number pad. Hold Alt and type 0252 on the number pad. -Original Message- From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 13, 2006 8:11 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tschuss Yes I know, but I don't know how to include umlauts unless I cut n' paste. How did you do it? On 1/13/06, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is actually Tschüss with the Umlaut. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K) Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix) '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi
Re: [MBZ] Tschuss
Danke schön On 1/13/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ü=Alt+0252 on the number pad. Hold Alt and type 0252 on the number pad. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)
Re: [MBZ] Tschuss
ü...sweet! ë (alt-36587) Ô (alt-01236) Mercy...there seems to be an unexplored area of the keyboard I know nothing of... Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tschuss ü=Alt+0252 on the number pad. Hold Alt and type 0252 on the number pad. -Original Message- From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 13, 2006 8:11 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tschuss Yes I know, but I don't know how to include umlauts unless I cut n' paste. How did you do it? On 1/13/06, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is actually Tschüss with the Umlaut. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K) Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix) '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Tschuss
ü=Alt+0252 on the number pad. Hold Alt and type 0252 on the number pad. _So_ much more intuitive than Apple's nasty option-u prefix to any umlautable vowel. Ditto the other common accent marks, from memory the optioned `, n, e, and i which yield è, ñ, é, and î when you tack them on likely candidates. (The option is attached to their most common associated letter for ease of memorization.) I never understood why the PC never came up with a decent input method rather than (effectively) memorization of the font's glyph map. Both these input methods date from the 80's, but I know which one I'd rather use. Let the wars begin! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Tschuss
Well, they did adopt control S, X, C, V, P, W and maybe a few others from applewriter. You only have to substitute control for the open apple key, but that is pretty intuitive. What is amazing to me is how few Winders users know how to use these basic Apple[1] shortcuts. They save so much time! These shortcuts were used in applewriter, the first WP program I knew of for apple, then were used in appleworks, then were used in Word for Mac, and eventually made it into all the MSoffice applications to some extent. Loren MCSE, MCT, Mac lover (living in both camps) Still have apple II with Rev. a motherboard. Thing refuses to die! Started out with pencil cards because the keypunch machines were considered much too valuable to let mere mortals use. (Don't really care to start a flame war) At 09:43 AM 1/13/2006, you wrote: ü=Alt+0252 on the number pad. Hold Alt and type 0252 on the number pad. _So_ much more intuitive than Apple's nasty option-u prefix to any umlautable vowel. Ditto the other common accent marks, from memory the optioned `, n, e, and i which yield è, ñ, é, and î when you tack them on likely candidates. (The option is attached to their most common associated letter for ease of memorization.) I never understood why the PC never came up with a decent input method rather than (effectively) memorization of the font's glyph map. Both these input methods date from the 80's, but I know which one I'd rather use. Let the wars begin! -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
