Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
? Our gas prices didn't go down... Of course theres no production or refining here either. -Curt Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:34:46 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL

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2006-02-03 Thread OK Don
Sheesh -- there was a gas war bewteen two stations during my senior year. Dad came home and told me to go fill my tank (1951 VW). I only had $1.00 -- the tank wouldn't hold that much! The gas was $0.12/gal. I've never seen it that low since On 2/2/06, BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And an

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2006-02-03 Thread lee
Another scenario is that skyrocketing fuel costs will eventually make it less attractive to have things made in China and shipped over here, as the high shipping costs will offset the cheapness of the labor. Lee On Thursday 02 February 2006 6:24, Jim Cathey wrote: how does an economy that

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
thats a good point lee wrote: Another scenario is that skyrocketing fuel costs will eventually make it less attractive to have things made in China and shipped over here, as the high shipping costs will offset the cheapness of the labor. Lee On Thursday 02 February 2006 6:24, Jim Cathey

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2006-02-03 Thread Levi Smith
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds like you could probably do most of your work with just a car and trailer. I used to have a little Toyota 4wd pickup

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Mitch Haley
wilton strickland wrote: Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil? I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish using up our own oil. That'll really make us less

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
no, he didnt mention biodiesel but did mention making ethanol out of stocks, switchgrass and such. Should have mentioned drilling in ANWR, off the coast of FL and CA, and exploiting oil shale deposits. Also should have mentioned the need to build more refinaries and nuke plants. Mitch Haley

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2006-02-02 Thread Zeitgeist
Well, if those are the best means of reducing our dependence upon foreign oil, then we should just annex Canada; our largest single source of foreign oil...and, lately they've shown themselves to be really unstable. On 2/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, he didnt mention

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2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck
lee wrote: What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a seven thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall and take your kiddies to soccer practice? No, of course not. His proposals were all supply-side -- mostly more

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2006-02-02 Thread Rick Knoble
'Point is we've never had and still don't have any national energy policy but, Use as much as we can as fast as we can. Wilton IIRC, Jimmy Carter had us turning our thermostats down to 68. His administration may have been responsible for the implementation of CAFE standards in 1978 also. I

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2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck
OK Don wrote: Can't believe that I'm defending the clown, but I did read that he said in response to the GM and Ford woes that the government will not bail them out, that they should build something relevant. Couldn't believe my eyes. I agree in principle, but I don't think it's a principled

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2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck
Alex Chamberlain wrote: And wearing sweaters! Part of the reason he lost the election in 1980---nobody wanted Mr. Rogers for president. The Onion, in their Our Dumb Century book, had a great sendup of that election. It was a newspaper front page with a picture of Carter, captioned Let's talk

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2006-02-02 Thread paul
irresponsibility? oh god. lee wrote: wilton strickland wrote: Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil? I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish using up

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2006-02-02 Thread Hendrik Riessen
List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil Can't believe that I'm defending the clown, but I did read that he said in response to the GM and Ford woes that the government will not bail them out, that they should build something

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2006-02-02 Thread John W. Reames III
On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, lee wrote: What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a seven thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall and take your kiddies to soccer practice? Every morning on my commute, i see something worse:

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2006-02-02 Thread Potter, Tom E
Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil Can't believe that I'm defending the clown, but I did read that he said in response to the GM and Ford woes that the government will not bail them out, that they should build

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2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business. Its not the governments right or job to dictate what you can drive. Its called free market economy. paul wrote: irresponsibility? oh god. lee wrote:

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2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
people are becoming lazy and sissified. John W. Reames III wrote: On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, lee wrote: What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a seven thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall and take your kiddies to soccer

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
, 2006 7:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil wilton strickland wrote: Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil? I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill

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2006-02-02 Thread lee
On Thursday 02 February 2006 8:08, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business. Its not the governments right or job to dictate what you can drive. Its called free market

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2006-02-02 Thread Trampas
To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil On Thursday 02 February 2006 8:08, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business. Its not the governments right or job

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2006-02-02 Thread R A Bennell
Don't recall that but did hear him say that the obscene profits of the big oil companies was ok. He should be smarter than that. Even if he believes it, he should be enough of a politician to keep his mouth shut or say something a bit less specific. Randy B -Original Message- From:

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2006-02-02 Thread Curt Raymond
to move said materials. Restraint is clearly not in our vocabulary. -Curt Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:08:04 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type

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2006-02-02 Thread Christopher McCann
] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business. Its not the governments

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Feb 2006 09:08:04 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money burning up all

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread John Berryman
On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Christopher McCann wrote: I remember 99 cent/gallon gas in 1999 - Cross Plains, Wisconsin. I remember paying a nickel to fill my mini-bike tank. Gas was 26.9/gal. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am

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2006-02-02 Thread Werner Fehlauer
AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil I agree in principle but the problem is that people are really really dumb. I talk to people every day who are convinced that gas prices will be under $2 sometime soon. To me thats just foolish. I'm moving to more economical vehicles (the 190D and when

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Rick Knoble
The one thing that hasn't been mentioned is the McMansions. Why does a family of 3 need a 4000sqft house? Houses have been made way more efficient over the years but now we blow it by having way more house. Not only is it costing is in fuel to heat it but in building materials and the

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Mitch Haley
Werner Fehlauer wrote: Now a 1000 sq ft house with a 2000 sq ft 6 bay garage and shop That's more garage than I need. I've often though of building a 30x40 hip roof pole barn, with an apartment and a deck upstairs.

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck
lee wrote: On Thursday 02 February 2006 8:08, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business. Its not the governments right or job to dictate what you can drive. Its called free

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread David Brodbeck
Potter, Tom E wrote: IIRC there was/is a federal tax break for buying a vehicle that weighs more than 6000 pounds. Yes, but only for business use.

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2006-02-02 Thread R A Bennell
: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil Well, if those are the best means of reducing our dependence upon foreign oil, then we should just annex Canada; our largest single source of foreign oil...and, lately they've shown themselves to be really unstable. On 2/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

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2006-02-02 Thread LT Don
$0.249 my senior year of high school (1969-70). On 2/2/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Christopher McCann wrote: I remember 99 cent/gallon gas in 1999 - Cross Plains, Wisconsin. I remember paying a nickel to fill my

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread BillR
To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Christopher McCann wrote: I remember 99 cent/gallon gas in 1999 - Cross Plains, Wisconsin. I remember paying a nickel to fill my mini-bike tank. Gas was 26.9/gal. Johnny B. I Mac

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Christopher McCann
3 years before I was even born, grandpappy! :-) Chris LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $0.249 my senior year of high school (1969-70). On 2/2/06, John Berryman wrote: On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Christopher McCann wrote: I remember 99 cent/gallon gas in 1999 - Cross

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Christopher McCann
: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:54 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil Well, if those are the best means of reducing our dependence upon foreign oil, then we should just annex Canada; our largest single source of foreign oil...and, lately they've shown themselves

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Werner Fehlauer
for anybody Werner - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil Werner Fehlauer wrote: Now a 1000 sq ft house with a 2000 sq ft 6 bay garage

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Loren Faeth
I think the race is on. Will China end up owning the rest of the world, or will Wally mart own China? At 12:24 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put in your bid now. We might get sold to China as they will soon have all the money anyway. Randy B in Canada

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2006-02-02 Thread Luther Gulseth
Both? Maybe China will own the world and we will run China from the back seat. ~ ~ ~ ~I think the race is on. Will China end up owning the rest of the world, or ~will Wally mart own China? ~ ~ ~At 12:24 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote: ~R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put in your bid now. We

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2006-02-02 Thread Curt Raymond
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2006-02-02 Thread Curt Raymond
for me and the wife. We've been living in 600sf for 6 years now and could use a bit more space but not so much that we'd never get around to cleaning it. -Curt Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:06:45 -0500 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes

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2006-02-02 Thread Gary Hurst
we are not far right now from EVERYTHING being made in china. They can sell a car for what Robert Bosch wants for a part for a car. not sure how the germans can compete with that actually, not sure how the germans will be able to compete with anyone anymore. how does an economy that makes

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Curt Raymond
had a house I'm thinking it'd be a heckuva project. -Curt Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:35:51 -0800 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso

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2006-02-02 Thread Potter, Tom E
had a house I'm thinking it'd be a heckuva project. -Curt Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:35:51 -0800 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset

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2006-02-02 Thread Curt Raymond
(PST) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 recall the recent quote from the Economist article that was posted: If 1/3

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2006-02-02 Thread Levi Smith
but we've got nowhere to plug one in near our apartment. If we had a house I'm thinking it'd be a heckuva project. -Curt Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:35:51 -0800 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID

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2006-02-02 Thread andrew strasfogel
Randy, What lake is 300 miles from Winnipeg? There are some rather nice ones (L. Winnipeg and L. Manitoba, or Falcon Lake or Westhawk L., .g.), that are a whole lot closer. We travel to the lake in the summer routinely and that is a trip in excess of 300 miles. I did that 11 times last summer

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2006-02-02 Thread Jeff Zedic
Tom Wrote: Here is an interesting article on this subject: http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/payne200602020821.asp; The only interetsing thing I read in that article was the fact that their 19th century thinking could still be published in a 21st century magazine. What a sad way

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2006-02-02 Thread R A Bennell
: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil we are not far right now from EVERYTHING being made in china. They can sell a car for what Robert Bosch wants for a part for a car. not sure how the germans can compete with that actually, not sure how the germans will be able to compete with anyone anymore. how

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2006-02-02 Thread R A Bennell
they are so much closer to Winnipeg. Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil Randy, What lake is 300 miles from

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

2006-02-02 Thread Werner Fehlauer
Yes, and they lost so his garage stays, apparently (according to AW) Werner Just saw in Autoweek that a guy in Michigan has a 6000 sq ft garage, that should be big enough for anybody Is that the guys whose neighbors sued him to try to make him take it down?

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2006-02-02 Thread John Berryman
On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 04:30 PM, Levi Smith wrote: It's a bit cold here in upstate NY this time of year and sometimes adverse road conditions Levi, Where in NY are you? I live in Bolton Landing overlooking Lake George from the west shore. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am

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2006-02-02 Thread Levi Smith
Ahh, a quick look at http://maps.google.com and it looks like you're a good few hours or so NE of me. I'm closer to PA. My house is right next to Corning, and I work in Hornell. Where I86 and I390 meet is about midway between locations. Levi On 2/2/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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2006-02-02 Thread John Berryman
On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 05:51 PM, Levi Smith wrote: Ahh, a quick look at http://maps.google.com and it looks like you're a good few hours or so NE of me. I'm closer to PA. My house is right next to Corning, and I work in Hornell. Where I86 and I390 meet is about midway between