Re: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof Wind noise.

2006-04-07 Thread Marshall Booth

ANGELO GIAIMO wrote:

Hi,

Had my sunroof rails and other assorted parts on my sunroof replaced and
had the whole thing re-aligned.  Works nice and crisp now, except.when
closed and at highway speeds (75mph +) something starts to whistle (Leak
air?) in the S/R.   When I crack the window openthe noise/whistling
goes away.

Is there a fix, is something not adjusted properly?  Where do I start
looking?


The roof won't whistle when properly aligned. It's a matter of precise 
positioning.


http://mb.braingears.com/126_DISC1/program/Chassis/77-110.pdf

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof Wind noise.

2006-04-07 Thread Jim Cathey

Is there a fix, is something not adjusted properly?  Where do I start
looking?


Sounds like it's either not adjusted properly, or one of the new
seals isn't sealing right.  You can try the 'dollar bill' test:
close it on a dollar bill and see how tightly it's gripped.  On
all sides.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof Wind noise.

2006-04-07 Thread Peter T . Arnold
Need this work done on my 300SDL.  Did you use Indy or Dealership? MAy
I pry and ask the cost, I understand the Angles are about $425 for
the set.


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Peter T. Arnold

1987 300SDL  240KMI Sunroof FUBAR
1995 F-250 PowerChoke  190Kmi
1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that
is!On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:51:50 -0400, you wrote:


Hi,

Had my sunroof rails and other assorted parts on my sunroof replaced and
had the whole thing re-aligned.  Works nice and crisp now, except.when
closed and at highway speeds (75mph +) something starts to whistle (Leak
air?) in the S/R.   When I crack the window openthe noise/whistling
goes away.

Is there a fix, is something not adjusted properly?  Where do I start
looking?

Thanks!

Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532);
2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533



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Re: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof Wind noise. COSTLY

2006-04-07 Thread ANGELO GIAIMO
On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:12:23, Peter T. Arnold wrote:

Need this work done on my 300SDL.  Did you use Indy or Dealership? MAy
I pry and ask the cost, I understand the Angles are about $425 for
the set.

Peter,

It was not cheapParts were ~$450.00.  Labor 4 hours @ $95 per. hour.
With tax and all, I think I paid ~$887 bucks. Probably would not have done
it if the car was not freshly painted and the worn out S/R parts were
causing it to ruin the paint every time I slid it open.  It was worth it,
since, aside from the air leak, I don't have to worry every time I open it.


Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532);
2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533





Re: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof Wind noise.

2006-04-07 Thread ANGELO GIAIMO
On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:53:41 Marshall Booth Wrote:

The roof won't whistle when properly aligned. It's a matter of precise
positioning.

http://mb.braingears.com/126_DISC1/program/Chassis/77-110.pdf

Marshall

Thank You, Marshall.  That DB is a GREAT source for proceedures on the web.
Just did not know if there was one thing in particular to be re-aligned to
make the wind noise go away.  Actually, I'm going to print it out and bring
it with me when the car goes back. (Nothin' like making new friends!)

I'm also going to try the dollar bill technique someone else suggested.

Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532);
2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533





Re: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof

2006-03-09 Thread Peter Frederick
Provided the sunroof can still be opened at least part way, lift angles 
will take at least a couple hours (nearly four for me the first time).


Rear rubber can easily be done on jack stands, usually not too hard.  
May need to use the bolt to pull the rubber into the subframe on the 
front mounts.


Peter




Re: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof

2006-03-09 Thread Jim Cathey

I think Diff mount may be easy for even an old fellow, how are the


Should be.


rear sub frame mounts, floor jack and jack stands of do you really
need a lift and heavy tools?


I did it on a 107 with nothing special.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof

2006-03-09 Thread John W. Reames III
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Peter Frederick wrote:
 Rear rubber can easily be done on jack stands, usually not too hard.  
 May need to use the bolt to pull the rubber into the subframe on the 
 front mounts.
Actually you need allthread nuts and washers to push the old one out, 
IIRC.

The new one slides right in with a good helping of CRC silicone spray.

-j.






Re: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof

2006-01-28 Thread John Berryman


On Friday, January 27, 2006, at 04:52 PM, Peter T. Arnold wrote:


Last fall my sunroof got stuck.  My trusted Indy said it needed to
{redesigned} Angles as on  was broken and they should be swapped as a
set.  Price was about $425 for parts and $400 for labor.

Anyone here BTDT?  I need to do this before my scheduled repaint.  I'm
thinking that the groups collective wisdom is that even skilled
doityourselfers should not attempt this.

Pete
Car started in reverse again this morning, I fixed it by moving the
stick thingy on the floor to D.




	The only thing that I would consider touchy, is if you have to replace 
the cable's guide tube, which would require headliner removal.
	I have done a few tube replacements. They were all broken at the point 
where the  mounting bracket is welded to the tube just forward of the 
rear window. The rest takes some time and care but they're relatively 
mechanic friendly.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


Re: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof

2006-01-28 Thread Jim Cathey

Last fall my sunroof got stuck.  My trusted Indy said it needed to
{redesigned} Angles as on  was broken and they should be swapped as a
set.  Price was about $425 for parts and $400 for labor.


Que?  This got garbled, but I take the gist of it to be: Sunroof
broken, estimate high.  Par for the course, I understand, and that
DIY on the popup-type sunroofs is not recommended (unlike the older
style).  Ours is broken too, and I didn't even try to mess with it
(yet).  I just managed to finagle it back in position and unplugged
the cable to it.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof

2006-01-28 Thread Peter T . Arnold
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:40:36 -0500, you wrote:

I would be very sure of my capabilities before tackling this job.  I replaced 
the lifts on my 560 last year, what a nightmare.  Given the choice, I will 
spend the money on this repair if needed again. Others may say it's not so 
bad.  I had pretty good instructions, tools on hand, proper parts, and it was 
still a daunting task.


James Jetton
1987 300SDL 136k
1987 560SEL (sold)
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Sunroof

2006-01-28 Thread Marshall Booth

Peter T. Arnold wrote:

Last fall my sunroof got stuck.  My trusted Indy said it needed to
{redesigned} Angles as on  was broken and they should be swapped as a
set.  Price was about $425 for parts and $400 for labor.

Anyone here BTDT?  I need to do this before my scheduled repaint.  I'm
thinking that the groups collective wisdom is that even skilled
doityourselfers should not attempt this.

Pete


Repair of the older sliding sunroof is a breeze. The pop-up roof is 
another matter entirely and it's VERY easy to turn a flaw with a simple 
fix into a problem that will cost a great deal to repair. The factory 
manual (even with Dave's addendum) is NOT sufficient to instruct most 
novice DIYers on how to fix the sunroof (in MY opinion). The guys that 
have repaired a dozen or more of them can make it look EASY, but it's 
NOT something you're likely to be able to perform after just reading the 
manual and several of the common mistakes can result in the repair 
becoming MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE AND EXPENSIVE.


Marshall
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