Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-17 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
The only thing the Solex 4A1 can do well is ingest a large moth with
aplomb. My father was trying (in vain) to get his 280C working one evening
in SoCal ca. 1982 or so when the aforementioned moth came over, attracted
by the worklight.   THWOOOP!  A few seconds later, a little cloud of moth
scales came out the exhaust...

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Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-16 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
It's a U.S. Spec carb'ed M110.  A pretty sorry combination.

Jaime

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 That one is carbureted though (280S) wouldn't that make it less desirable?
 -Curt


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 Actually, a late Euro 280 (is it M110?) would be substantially
 better, and in my opinion, more desirable than a V-8.  (but not as
 desirable as an OM 603!)

 6.9 excepted, but this is NOT a 6.9!



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Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-16 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
That one is carbureted though (280S) wouldn't that make it less desirable?
-Curt


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Actually, a late Euro 280 (is it M110?) would be substantially 
better, and in my opinion, more desirable than a V-8.  (but not as 
desirable as an OM 603!)

6.9 excepted, but this is NOT a 6.9!



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Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-16 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Yes, the W116 280S is one of the LEAST desirable Mercedes ever built.

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 It's a U.S. Spec carb'ed M110.  A pretty sorry combination.

 Jaime

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  That one is carbureted though (280S) wouldn't that make it less
 desirable?
  -Curt
 
 
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  Actually, a late Euro 280 (is it M110?) would be substantially
  better, and in my opinion, more desirable than a V-8.  (but not as
  desirable as an OM 603!)
 
  6.9 excepted, but this is NOT a 6.9!
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-16 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
What? Mercedes made a sorry engine??? A carbureted engine should be
relatively easy to modify, remove the smog controls, get the power back,
etc. Install a couple of Webers, or a Holley . . .
Of course, replacing the engine with an OM603 would be best!

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 It's a U.S. Spec carb'ed M110.  A pretty sorry combination.

 Jaime




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Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-16 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Another possible home for that Euro M117 5.0 engine?

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 Wonder what is involved in converting a 110 to fuel injected? Not that I
 would want to. I do have a injected 110 sitting on the shelf in the shop





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Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-16 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

It's a U.S. Spec carb'ed M110.  A pretty sorry combination.

Jaime


An OM603 will fix that!

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Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-16 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

That one is carbureted though (280S) wouldn't that make it less desirable?
-Curt


Well, like I said, put an OM 603 or a late model Euro twin cam 6 
gasser.  THat late euro engine would be FI.


FOr some, carbs are ok.  I don't like either, but a Euro carb engine 
could work.  Buy some webers.


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Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-16 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
That 4 barrel Solex is a junker.  Even Solex couldn't make it work on  
a Benz engine, they were dogs from A to Z.  Nothing desireable in any  
way, shape or form.


Many were convered to D-jet or K-Jet, vastly easier and much more  
reliable.


Fuel milage was terrible -- the small sedan got 12, the 450 sedan  
probably got worse milage than the 14 or so the 4.5L did.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Wonder what is involved in converting a 110 to fuel injected? Not that I would 
want to. I do have a injected 110 sitting on the shelf in the shop

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 That 4 barrel Solex is a junker.  Even Solex couldn't make it work on a Benz 
 engine, they were dogs from A to Z.  Nothing desireable in any way, shape or 
 form.
 
 Many were convered to D-jet or K-Jet, vastly easier and much more reliable.
 
 Fuel milage was terrible -- the small sedan got 12, the 450 sedan probably 
 got worse milage than the 14 or so the 4.5L did.
 
 Peter
 
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Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-16 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

Find a wrecked AMG and drop something in there

--R


On 8/16/15 2:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

What? Mercedes made a sorry engine??? A carbureted engine should be
relatively easy to modify, remove the smog controls, get the power back,
etc. Install a couple of Webers, or a Holley . . .
Of course, replacing the engine with an OM603 would be best!

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mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


It's a U.S. Spec carb'ed M110.  A pretty sorry combination.

Jaime







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Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-16 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The Zeniths were a pleasure to work with compared to the Solex 4A1.  It is a 
nightmare of a carburetor, guaranteed to run poorly even when working at it’s 
best, and offering really lousy fuel economy.

The M130 in the former W123 LWB had one.  I tore it off and did a Holley 5200 
conversion.  Made the car a real pleasure to drive and I could even get mileage 
numbers in the high teens with it.

Dan


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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 That 4 barrel Solex is a junker.  Even Solex couldn't make it work on a Benz 
 engine, they were dogs from A to Z.  Nothing desireable in any way, shape or 
 form.
 
 Many were convered to D-jet or K-Jet, vastly easier and much more reliable.
 
 Fuel milage was terrible -- the small sedan got 12, the 450 sedan probably 
 got worse milage than the 14 or so the 4.5L did.
 
 Peter
 
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Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-16 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
A Holley of any sort would be an improvement.  My buddy Hans had to  
deal with them all the time in Germany, said they were horrible, even  
the factory tech couldn't get them right.


The M110 wasn't bad itself, other than being rather fuel hungry and  
terribly noisy due to solid lifters.  More fiddly that the other  
single overhead cam Benz engines, but robust.  Not a bad engine with  
fuel injection (either D-Jet or K-jet, depending on year).


Terrible mileage in all applications, though, mainly due to the really  
low rear ends (atypically 4.00:1 for gassers).  The M110 spins silly  
fast, but gearing it for 6600 rpm at 125 mph results in horrible fuel  
consumption.  Low teens is typical with the carb, mid teens with FI.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-16 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Intake manifold and associated FI parts.  I'd not bother with the D- 
Jet, impossible to find parts by now and that one requires the correct  
distributor, probably like finding hen's teeth forty years after they  
stopped production.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-15 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Actually, a late Euro 280 (is it M110?) would be substantially 
better, and in my opinion, more desirable than a V-8.  (but not as 
desirable as an OM 603!)


6.9 excepted, but this is NOT a 6.9!

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Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Oh man, a 116 with a 603 would be awesome.
Actually a VW engine would be hilarious in there. The VE engine in my '98 can 
be turned up to 150hp 230lb/ft for a couple grand. There'd be enough space to 
live in the engine bay with a little VW TDI lawnmower engine in there.
-Curt

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'Cos they don't get driven?

-MMM-

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Even has the charcoal canister, and probably an air pump anti smog 
crap,, along with the yorkie compressor.


Great chassis to put an OM603 or 606 in.



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Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-15 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
'Cos they don't get driven?

-MMM-

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Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-15 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

'Cos they don't get driven?

-MMM-

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Even has the charcoal canister, and probably an air pump anti smog 
crap,, along with the yorkie compressor.



Great chassis to put an OM603 or 606 in.

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Re: [MBZ] Why are crappy undesirable cars always in great shape

2015-08-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
No rust to speak of   ???

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 Oh man, a 116 with a 603 would be awesome.
 Actually a VW engine would be hilarious in there. The VE engine in my '98
 can be turned up to 150hp 230lb/ft for a couple grand. There'd be enough
 space to live in the engine bay with a little VW TDI lawnmower engine in
 there.
 -Curt

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 'Cos they don't get driven?
 
 -MMM-
 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 Even has the charcoal canister, and probably an air pump anti smog
 crap,, along with the yorkie compressor.


 Great chassis to put an OM603 or 606 in.



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