Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires

2015-07-27 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Hmm, I would have used a different subject line, Yet another reason NOT to but 
General tires...

I've been avoiding Michelin tires for fifteen years, haven't ever tried General 
tires, only one slipped belt.  Continental and Sumitomo have worked ok so far.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires

2015-07-27 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Unfortunately I think tire quality can vary significantly between sizes, as 
well as manufacturer date, so (insert brand name here) tires with the same 
model name can perform at opposite ends of the quality spectrum, if they are 
different sizes, made on different days, made by different plants, etc.

User reviews should be highly discounted as biased to either extreme, in my 
opinion.

Another complication: makers stop offering a particular model before you can 
buy replacement tires, because the first set lasts so long!

In the end, I think buying tires is like rolling the dice.  I try to pay a low 
price, but each set needs to be judged on its merits.

I do agree that Michelin tires tend to have higher quality and last longer, but 
in my experience they become too slick and noisy long before the tread is worn 
out, and I value traction above all else, followed by noise.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 27, 2015 8:28:56 AM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


After 30k miles the Altimax HP on the Olds are doing fine. 
They don't stick like they did 7 years ago though. Back then
the car couldn't spin the front tires no matter what. Now it
happens any time I give it more than 1/2 throttle from a standing
start. 

Bought a used Taurus in 2001 with fairly new Continental touring 
tires on it. Over the nest few years and 30k miles, all four of
them came apart. 

When I bought tires for the 210 4Matic wagon, I wanted to get
Continental
DWS, which were some of the best 'all season' snow tires at Tire Rack.
There were enough belt failure reviews on the web that I ended up
buying
General G-Max instead. No problems to note so far, but I was surprised
at how easy it was to kick the tail out the first time I drove it
in the snow with the brand new 'all season' Generals on it. 



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Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires

2015-07-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Why have you been avoiding Michelins? On parts cars I have seen Michelins that 
have to be at least 20 years old that still hold air if that counts for 
anything. 

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 On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:15 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hmm, I would have used a different subject line, Yet another reason NOT to 
 but General tires...
 
 I've been avoiding Michelin tires for fifteen years, haven't ever tried 
 General tires, only one slipped belt.  Continental and Sumitomo have worked 
 ok so far.
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires

2015-07-27 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

I have had good luck with Michelins, the Sams and Costco varieties

--R



On 7/27/15 8:15 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Hmm, I would have used a different subject line, Yet another reason NOT to but 
General tires...

I've been avoiding Michelin tires for fifteen years, haven't ever tried General 
tires, only one slipped belt.  Continental and Sumitomo have worked ok so far.



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Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires

2015-07-27 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


 On July 27, 2015 at 8:15 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 
 Hmm, I would have used a different subject line, Yet another reason NOT to
 but General tires...
 
 I've been avoiding Michelin tires for fifteen years, haven't ever tried
 General tires, only one slipped belt.  Continental and Sumitomo have worked ok
 so far.

After 30k miles the Altimax HP on the Olds are doing fine. 
They don't stick like they did 7 years ago though. Back then
the car couldn't spin the front tires no matter what. Now it
happens any time I give it more than 1/2 throttle from a standing
start. 

Bought a used Taurus in 2001 with fairly new Continental touring 
tires on it. Over the nest few years and 30k miles, all four of
them came apart. 

When I bought tires for the 210 4Matic wagon, I wanted to get Continental
DWS, which were some of the best 'all season' snow tires at Tire Rack.
There were enough belt failure reviews on the web that I ended up buying
General G-Max instead. No problems to note so far, but I was surprised
at how easy it was to kick the tail out the first time I drove it
in the snow with the brand new 'all season' Generals on it. 

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Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires

2015-07-27 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Unfortunately I think tire quality can vary significantly between 
sizes, as well as manufacturer date, so (insert brand name here) 
tires with the same model name can perform at opposite ends of the 
quality spectrum, if they are different sizes, made on different 
days, made by different plants, etc.


User reviews should be highly discounted as biased to either 
extreme, in my opinion.


Another complication: makers stop offering a particular model before 
you can buy replacement tires, because the first set lasts so long!


In the end, I think buying tires is like rolling the dice.  I try to 
pay a low price, but each set needs to be judged on its merits.


I do agree that Michelin tires tend to have higher quality and last 
longer, but in my experience they become too slick and noisy long 
before the tread is worn out, and I value traction above all else, 
followed by noise.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300


Much of the tire quality is related to the tire builder in the plant. 
Most plants now have high turnover, so the tires don't last long, 
because of the low skill/artisan level of the tire builder.  I agree, 
it is a crapshoot, unless you can get Continentals built in Germany. 
I've never had a failure with those.  Tire builder is a physically 
demanding job.


I agree with Max, traction is the key.  you have only a few square 
inches of contact surface between the vehicle and the road.  You need 
traction in wet, muddy, schnee and ice conditions as well as very hot 
and very cold dry conditions.  Tires are the best insurance you can 
buy.  Mid range tires generally offer the best traction/value 
compromise.


Personally, I like blizzaks and a summer road  tire combination. 
Blizzak/general is an acceptable combo, though not optimal.


High mileage/long wearing tires generally have poor traction.  Back 
in the 70s when GM put long wearing uniroyals on their new cars, the 
junkyards were loaded with GM low mileage vehicles that slid into 
something, or slid off the road and rolled.  Crappy tars, but they 
lasted a lot of miles.s


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Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires

2015-07-27 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Another thing to consider is if the tire is a big box store rebrand of a 
tire, like a Michelin or Goodrich.  I never had issues with bad belts in tires 
until I bought brand name tires from a big box retailer.

Dan

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 On Jul 27, 2015, at 8:59 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Unfortunately I think tire quality can vary significantly between sizes, as 
 well as manufacturer date, so (insert brand name here) tires with the same 
 model name can perform at opposite ends of the quality spectrum, if they are 
 different sizes, made on different days, made by different plants, etc.
 
 User reviews should be highly discounted as biased to either extreme, in my 
 opinion.
 
 Another complication: makers stop offering a particular model before you can 
 buy replacement tires, because the first set lasts so long!
 
 In the end, I think buying tires is like rolling the dice.  I try to pay a 
 low price, but each set needs to be judged on its merits.
 
 I do agree that Michelin tires tend to have higher quality and last longer, 
 but in my experience they become too slick and noisy long before the tread is 
 worn out, and I value traction above all else, followed by noise.
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 
 On July 27, 2015 8:28:56 AM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 After 30k miles the Altimax HP on the Olds are doing fine. 
 They don't stick like they did 7 years ago though. Back then
 the car couldn't spin the front tires no matter what. Now it
 happens any time I give it more than 1/2 throttle from a standing
 start. 
 
 Bought a used Taurus in 2001 with fairly new Continental touring 
 tires on it. Over the nest few years and 30k miles, all four of
 them came apart. 
 
 When I bought tires for the 210 4Matic wagon, I wanted to get
 Continental
 DWS, which were some of the best 'all season' snow tires at Tire Rack.
 There were enough belt failure reviews on the web that I ended up
 buying
 General G-Max instead. No problems to note so far, but I was surprised
 at how easy it was to kick the tail out the first time I drove it
 in the snow with the brand new 'all season' Generals on it.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires

2015-07-26 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I had a set of general tires on my 2500 duramax for the last few 
years, probably still had at least half or more of tread left, very 
even wear. For the last maybe 5k or more miles I have had an 
annoying vibration that I could not balance out. One tire had a 
little bit of slipped belt. In the last few days what was an 
annoyance turned into a major issue as in the truck felt like it was 
going to shake apart. I had a set of Michelins LTX highway tires 
that were ordered for my 2wd suburban but this truck needs tires now 
as I am not sure if they will blow up at any minute or not. If I 
ordered then for my 4wd truck I would have ordered the AT tires. Oh 
well I don't go off road that much anyway exempt to load or unload 
in the pasture and have got stuck several times with these 
supposedly off road general tires when they should have easily got 
me out.  So my tire machine is still at the old house so in the 110 
heat index I installed the Michelins on the truck. 2 of the Generals 
had major bulge from slipped belts. The other 2 looked like possibly 
they had the beginning of slipped belts but not sure. My spin 
balanced has already been moved to the new shop so I did not balance 
the wheels at all. On the ride home the Michelins were perfectly 
smooth with no weights at all up to 70mph, which is as fast as I 
went with the truck bed fully loaded with parts and the trailer 
loaded with a 124. I'm going to pull the wheels back off tomorrow 
and balance them but heck they just about don't need it. The 
generals only had maybe 20k on them.


I had a set of generals on a 140 that developed a bulge in the side 
wall bad on 1 tire and slightly on a couple others. I also had a set 
on my 124 that I did not like but only had a few miles on then and 
moved them over I the kids 124 and they did were not on there very 
long before they had some problem.


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The Generals I've had on cars are no good in schnee.  but they wear 
decently and did not slipped belts.  We will see how well the 
michelins hold up in a few years.  FWIW, the Michelins I've had all 
came apart.


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