Re: [MBZ] car hacking

2015-08-26 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 26/08/2015 11:13 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I would love to find someone clever enough to hack my 83 300TD - or the '85, for that matter. They could just put your plate numbers into the police database to say there were outstanding warrants. RB

Re: [MBZ] car hacking

2015-08-26 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
My advise is to monkey with the vacuum pump system and than you would loose you're break petal write than and their --R On 8/26/15 12:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I would love to find someone clever enough to hack my 83 300TD - or the '85, for that matter.

Re: [MBZ] car hacking

2015-08-26 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
DIabolical! Now if you could only harness that brilliance for GOOD rather than EVIL. On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 26/08/2015 11:13 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I would love to find someone clever enough to hack my

Re: [MBZ] car hacking

2015-08-26 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I would love to find someone clever enough to hack my 83 300TD - or the '85, for that matter. On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That's because the FBI and Harris requires that they sign a non-disclosure agreement. We had a big dust-up

Re: [MBZ] car hacking

2015-08-26 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
That's because the FBI and Harris requires that they sign a non-disclosure agreement. We had a big dust-up down here recently where the ACLU filed an FOIA request over one of these with the local prosecutor and Federal marshals showed up at the prosecutor's office and took the case over,

Re: [MBZ] car hacking

2015-08-26 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Or an ex-spouse bent on revenge, or the neighborhood punk getting some laughs. People can and will be cruel. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On August 25, 2015 10:58:08 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:52:56 -0400 Tim Crone via

Re: [MBZ] car hacking

2015-08-26 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
It takes a huge amount of time and knowledge to pull something like this off. Jaime On Wednesday, August 26, 2015, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Or an ex-spouse bent on revenge, or the neighborhood punk getting some laughs. People can and will be cruel. -- Max

Re: [MBZ] car hacking

2015-08-26 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Once done, some Chinese outfit will be selling the equipment for cheepcheep, then it becomes another running battle. Just like all the other cracks, hacks, cloners, and whatever else to circumvent or get into various systems -- the electronic keys are big now, garage door openers, whatever.

Re: [MBZ] car hacking

2015-08-26 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
You mean that law enforcement will be using hardware to track our whereabouts? https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150823/23323932038/police-regularly-use-stingrays-without-warrant-to-find-petty-criminals-then-try-to-hide-that-fact.shtml Dan why am I not surprised Man Sent from my iPad On Aug

Re: [MBZ] car hacking

2015-08-26 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Somewhere today, there is a career car thief exploiting this principle to gain instant entry to a new car worth thousands of dollars. If you doubt it, look for the statistics on number of cars stolen and dismantled each year. It is a huge industry. On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Max Dillon via

Re: [MBZ] car hacking

2015-08-26 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Yes, and apparently the various locals are hiding the fact that they have them though the info is subject to FOIA, they ignore any requests on details. --R On 8/26/15 11:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: You mean that law enforcement will be using hardware to track our whereabouts?

Re: [MBZ] car hacking

2015-08-25 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
There is something like a mechanical switch, you know. We lived with them for an eternity before we had to digitize everything. Peter For you and me, yes, but the crop of young sheeple have been trained to not know how to flip a switch. TO them everything is supposed to be done for you.

Re: [MBZ] car hacking

2015-08-25 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Its absurd that the entertainment center is part of the CAN bus, that's a clear security violation from the start. As long as that's the case the system will never be secure. Curt That was my initial thought too, but it is also used for GPS, etc, so has to have the connectivity to

Re: [MBZ] car hacking

2015-08-25 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Its absurd that the entertainment center is part of the CAN bus, that's a clear security violation from the start. As long as that's the case the system will never be secure. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] car hacking

2015-08-25 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] car hacking Curt, how do you expect the entertainment system to known when the car is on, where it is, display messages

Re: [MBZ] car hacking

2015-08-25 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:52:56 -0400 Tim Crone via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And here is where I eat the crow, I clearly underestimated how poorly the interconnected software could be implemented by the manufacturers. I still don't see how car hacking can make money on any kind of

Re: [MBZ] car hacking

2015-08-25 Thread Tim Crone via Mercedes
On Aug 23, 2015 11:51 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This is quite fascinating http://hackaday.com/2015/08/22/how-those-hacker-took-complete-control-of-that-jeep In a similar vein, a rollup of the automotive hacking at the last security convention: .

Re: [MBZ] car hacking

2015-08-25 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
On Aug 23, 2015 11:51 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This is quite fascinating http://hackaday.com/2015/08/22/how-those-hacker-took-complete-control-of-that-jeep In a similar vein, a rollup of the automotive hacking at the last security convention: .