Re: [MBZ] loop style glow plug retrofit options?

2006-10-27 Thread Jim Cathey

I would use stranded
from the first plug in the 'chain' to the relay.


Which should, of course, already be there as part of the
series system you're replacing.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] loop style glow plug retrofit options?

2006-10-26 Thread David Brodbeck
Jim Cathey wrote:
> If solid was good enough for the toaster racks, why not just get some
> nice 10ga or 12ga solid household wire from Home Despot?
>   

Should be okay if you treat it like you would injector lines -- make
sure it's not under stress and not going to be flexed.  Copper
work-hardens and becomes brittle when it flexes.  I would use stranded
from the first plug in the 'chain' to the relay.  VWs are wired roughly
this way, with a copper bus bar that lays across the tops of the plugs
and connects them together.



Re: [MBZ] loop style glow plug retrofit options?

2006-10-25 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:56:17 -0400 "Trampas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Back in my day we would have hooked up a push button. Then told him push
> the button in, count to 10 then start. 

Get the pencil plugs installed, wire them all in parallel, and connect
them to one side of a Ford-style starting relay. Connect the other side
through a 70A fuse to the battery. Connect one side of the relay's coil to
the battery and the other to a pushbutton inside the passenger compartment
which is then connected to ground.

Push the button in, count to 10 (or 30 or 60 if it's cold) and crank it
over. After the engine is turning, you can push the button in again for
custom post-start glowing to smooth out the running and reduce emissions.


Craig



Re: [MBZ] loop style glow plug retrofit options?

2006-10-25 Thread Jim Cathey
> You just need the plugs, not the whole kit. Get the four plugs from 
Rusty,
> replace the toaster-wires with real wires (thick ones), and 
disconnect the

> ground wire at the first glow plug. The old relay works just fine.

What he said.

Electrically, I should be able to just daisy chain the wires from one 
plug
to the next, but that's probably less than optimum. Any idea where I 
might

source some nice, pre-crimped, stranded cables?


If solid was good enough for the toaster racks, why not just get some
nice 10ga or 12ga solid household wire from Home Despot?

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] loop style glow plug retrofit options?

2006-10-24 Thread Trampas
Back in my day we would have hooked up a push button. Then told him push the
button in, count to 10 then start. 

Trampas

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Subject: [MBZ] loop style glow plug retrofit options?

The 79 240D we rescued from the rust demon / crusher is having trouble
coping with the suddenly cold Pa fall. Specifically, it's not starting
well. Last weekend my son and I adjusted the valves and I think we
improved things a bit there. Last night I turned my attention back to the
glow plug system and to my dismay, I found that it is indeed an old loop
style series system. (Verified by pulling a plug to make doubly sure.)

I chatted with Rusty this morning and found out that, unfortunately, the
Bosch conversion kits are unavailable (backordered). The replacement
pencil plugs are available however. So I'm trying figure out what my
options are for a conversion without the kit. I have the guts of the glow
system from my deceased 82 300D (including the control module and wires)
if that's worth anything.

Any advice from some of our more handy list members (Jim Cathey?) greatly
appreciated.

I really don't want my son to have to wrestle and pray each time he tries
to get the car started after school..

...Kevin

87 300TD 280k mi
79 240D 157k mi


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Re: [MBZ] loop style glow plug retrofit options?

2006-10-24 Thread Kevin J. Slater
Electrically, I should be able to just daisy chain the wires from one plug
to the next, but that's probably less than optimum. Any idea where I might
source some nice, pre-crimped, stranded cables?

...Kevin

LT Don said:
> You just need the plugs, not the whole kit. Get the four plugs from Rusty,
> replace the toaster-wires with real wires (thick ones), and disconnect the
> ground wire at the first glow plug. The old relay works just fine.
>
> On 10/24/06, Kevin J. Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> The 79 240D we rescued from the rust demon / crusher is having trouble
>> coping with the suddenly cold Pa fall. Specifically, it's not starting
>> well. Last weekend my son and I adjusted the valves and I think we
>> improved things a bit there. Last night I turned my attention back to
>> the
>> glow plug system and to my dismay, I found that it is indeed an old loop
>> style series system. (Verified by pulling a plug to make doubly sure.)
>>
>> I chatted with Rusty this morning and found out that, unfortunately, the
>> Bosch conversion kits are unavailable (backordered). The replacement
>> pencil plugs are available however. So I'm trying figure out what my
>> options are for a conversion without the kit. I have the guts of the
>> glow
>> system from my deceased 82 300D (including the control module and wires)
>> if that's worth anything.
>>
>> Any advice from some of our more handy list members (Jim Cathey?)
>> greatly
>> appreciated.
>>
>> I really don't want my son to have to wrestle and pray each time he
>> tries
>> to get the car started after school..
>>
>> ...Kevin
>>
>> 87 300TD 280k mi
>> 79 240D 157k mi
>>
>>
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