Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


> On September 10, 2015 at 11:14 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am thinking of going 87. Can't bring myself to hot rod the 85 and thereby
> reduce whatever value it has to virtually nothing.

https://youtu.be/mHnkt_xzEeA?t=1m13s

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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-11 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Yes I am thinking om606 in w124. I stopped learning about mercedes wagons
after the 1987 model year. If you tell me 1995 wagon is a better body, I
will believe you, but when did anyone do a 606 swap on one of those? What
number is that? w201 or 202?

If people are paying 14k for cars like this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-/351426194895?rmvSB=true=true=JZXcunjQNT8cx6LAFr%252BUHAFP8KQ%253D_cvip=true=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

then I am in good shape. My car is better than that. Flaring 1st? Puh-leez!
Try a sledgehammer shift into 2nd and tight in every other gear. Revs to
5500, though I am usually not looking at the tach at that point, waiting
for the shift to 2nd...

15k for this one not far from me, and it looks like SLS is messed up:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261970523668?rmvSB=true

I guess the carpet pays for itself. I will say that the loop carpet in that
picture looks nothing like what came with my car from the factory, but oh
well. I will put a call in to the Armenians in the valley at GAHH or
whatever it is called.

Thanks for the feedback.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The point being is that it will be mostly MB people who know the car well
> and will often pick nits. I don't expect you'll get top dollar there for
> just that reason, unless the car is really outstanding.
>
> If you want to get top dollar, I would say go to eBay.  People pay stupid
> money for stuff there, and you've also got the "I'm going to beat you even
> though I'm paying far more than it's worth" mentality, too.
>
> Of course, you can always try Craigslist if you want the lowballers, can
> you finance it for me, and the no-shows.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 11, 2015, at 10:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The last thing I need is a "discerning buyer"...
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> But does the AC BLOW ICE COLD and does it get 40mpg on FREE VEG OIL???
> >>
> >> --R
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 9/11/15 9:55 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I was thinking the same number, perhaps wishfully...
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> $10k
> 
>  $500 for Kaleb. No title included, of course.
> 
>  Dan
> 
>  Sent from my iPad
> 
>  On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'm gearing up to sell my repainted 1985 300TD, diamond blue with a
> > near-flawless dark blue interior, after market third seat, working
> A/C,
>  and
> 
> > roof racks.  It has a replacement drive train but so what?  Should
> be an
> > interesting ebay auction.  The toughest part will be settling on a
>  reserve
> 
> > price...
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Karl,
> >>
> >> Your 123 wagon is probably worth $5k or more on eBay.
> >>
> >> Are you looking for an '87 wagon or sedan to hot rod?  Wagons are
> > somewhat
> 
> > rare, and usually neglected and beat up.  124 wagons are generally
> sold
> > for
> 
> > less than 123 wagons.
> >>
> >> My current dream is an OM606 turbo in a '95 wagon body.
> >> --
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >> '87 300TD
> >> '95 E300
> >>
> >> On September 10, 2015 11:14:43 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am thinking of going 87. Can't bring myself to hot rod the 85 and
> >>> thereby
> >>> reduce whatever value it has to virtually nothing.
> >>>
> >>> Which begs the question, what does a totally rust-free 85 tdt with
> a
> >>> new
> >>> tranny, rebuilt turbo and top end go for these days with everything
> >>> but
> >>> the
> >>> center vents working and newish paint? It is actually almost a fast
> >>> car;
> >>> goes like hell after the new head and turbo. Been running synthetic
> >>> since
> >>> 82k; has 189k now. Interior presentable but could use new carpet in
> >>> back
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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-11 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
What is the drivetrain from?

No reserve is the way to get people fired up. I sold a rather rusty but
mechanically solid 1963 190dc sedan for almost 3K that way. Just let 'er
rip.

K

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 6:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm gearing up to sell my repainted 1985 300TD, diamond blue with a
> near-flawless dark blue interior, after market third seat, working A/C, and
> roof racks.  It has a replacement drive train but so what?  Should be an
> interesting ebay auction.  The toughest part will be settling on a reserve
> price...
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Karl,
> >
> > Your 123 wagon is probably worth $5k or more on eBay.
> >
> > Are you looking for an '87 wagon or sedan to hot rod?  Wagons are
> somewhat
> > rare, and usually neglected and beat up.  124 wagons are generally sold
> for
> > less than 123 wagons.
> >
> > My current dream is an OM606 turbo in a '95 wagon body.
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > '87 300TD
> > '95 E300
> >
> > On September 10, 2015 11:14:43 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >I am thinking of going 87. Can't bring myself to hot rod the 85 and
> > >thereby
> > >reduce whatever value it has to virtually nothing.
> > >
> > >Which begs the question, what does a totally rust-free 85 tdt with a
> > >new
> > >tranny, rebuilt turbo and top end go for these days with everything but
> > >the
> > >center vents working and newish paint? It is actually almost a fast
> > >car;
> > >goes like hell after the new head and turbo. Been running synthetic
> > >since
> > >82k; has 189k now. Interior presentable but could use new carpet in
> > >back
> > >and passenger front. Headliner is fine, sunroof manual, no vacuum
> > >leaks.
> > >Basically totally functional but no blow from center vents so I guess
> > >that
> > >is next. AC cold, new controller. Yada yada. You get the idea; very
> > >good
> > >shape.
> > >
> > >Karl
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> In my case, I didn't realize the springs were different until about
> > >three
> > >> months after I bought them. I sent a message to the eBay seller and
> > >they
> > >> wanted all the details as far as application. When that didn't pan
> > >out,
> > >> they got Lesjofors involved. Despite photographs of the springs side
> > >by
> > >> side clearly showing they were different, Lesjofors just threw their
> > >hands
> > >> up and said I must have had some sort of one-off version of a W140. I
> > >> disputed that by showing them the EPC page with my VIN showing the
> > >proper
> > >> MB part number, which they said it was in their application guide.
> > >>
> > >> Never heard back from them. Fortunately, the seller was really good
> > >about
> > >> taking them back and was involved in the whole process of trying to
> > >sort
> > >> things out.
> > >>
> > >> In my case, the stock spring was flared out towards the top by a good
> > >inch
> > >> or more. The spring that Lesjofors said was the correct one was the
> > >same
> > >> diameter the whole length of the spring.  They even checked the
> > >others they
> > >> had for W140 applications and said that none of them were like mine.
> > >>
> > >> That's been my first foray into MB springs. It just reinforced the
> > >lesson
> > >> of going to the dealer for the part.
> > >>
> > >> Dan
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPad
> > >>
> > >> > On Sep 10, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> On September 10, 2015 at 10:21 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> > >> >>  wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Guess that means I'll buy OE for the 98 S420 that needs front
> > >springs.
> > >> >
> > >> > The Lesjofors catalog info on the ebay listings seems dodgy.
> > >> > For some years, including 97, they list the same spring for the
> > >S500 and
> > >> S420
> > >> > For other years, they list the same spring for S320 and S420.
> > >> > I'd seen comments on Benzworld that the S500 springs were too stiff
> > >and
> > >> made the
> > >> > car ride high.
> > >> > The EPC had 3 springs, and for my car specified the weakest spring
> > >with
> > >> 3 nub or
> > >> > 4 nub spacers.
> > >> >
> > >> > So I bought the "S320" springs on eBay (which were $50-60 cheaper
> > >than
> > >> the
> > >> > "S500") and 4 nub
> > >> > spacers from the dealer.
> > >> > The result was the only bad spring experience I've ever had in my
> > >life,
> > >> not that
> > >> > I've
> > >> > replaced many coil springs. Maybe I should have used JC Whitney
> > >springs
> > >> like I
> > >> > did when I put
> > >> > the trailer hitch on my Plymouth Horizon. I think I went to
> > >Carquest
> > >> when my '95
> > >> > Taurus broke
> > >> > a spring.
> > >> >
> > >> > I do still need to 

Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-11 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Yah wagons only for me. Very practical cars. I have my eye on one.

K

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Karl,
>
> Your 123 wagon is probably worth $5k or more on eBay.
>
> Are you looking for an '87 wagon or sedan to hot rod?  Wagons are somewhat
> rare, and usually neglected and beat up.  124 wagons are generally sold for
> less than 123 wagons.
>
> My current dream is an OM606 turbo in a '95 wagon body.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On September 10, 2015 11:14:43 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >I am thinking of going 87. Can't bring myself to hot rod the 85 and
> >thereby
> >reduce whatever value it has to virtually nothing.
> >
> >Which begs the question, what does a totally rust-free 85 tdt with a
> >new
> >tranny, rebuilt turbo and top end go for these days with everything but
> >the
> >center vents working and newish paint? It is actually almost a fast
> >car;
> >goes like hell after the new head and turbo. Been running synthetic
> >since
> >82k; has 189k now. Interior presentable but could use new carpet in
> >back
> >and passenger front. Headliner is fine, sunroof manual, no vacuum
> >leaks.
> >Basically totally functional but no blow from center vents so I guess
> >that
> >is next. AC cold, new controller. Yada yada. You get the idea; very
> >good
> >shape.
> >
> >Karl
> >
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In my case, I didn't realize the springs were different until about
> >three
> >> months after I bought them. I sent a message to the eBay seller and
> >they
> >> wanted all the details as far as application. When that didn't pan
> >out,
> >> they got Lesjofors involved. Despite photographs of the springs side
> >by
> >> side clearly showing they were different, Lesjofors just threw their
> >hands
> >> up and said I must have had some sort of one-off version of a W140. I
> >> disputed that by showing them the EPC page with my VIN showing the
> >proper
> >> MB part number, which they said it was in their application guide.
> >>
> >> Never heard back from them. Fortunately, the seller was really good
> >about
> >> taking them back and was involved in the whole process of trying to
> >sort
> >> things out.
> >>
> >> In my case, the stock spring was flared out towards the top by a good
> >inch
> >> or more. The spring that Lesjofors said was the correct one was the
> >same
> >> diameter the whole length of the spring.  They even checked the
> >others they
> >> had for W140 applications and said that none of them were like mine.
> >>
> >> That's been my first foray into MB springs. It just reinforced the
> >lesson
> >> of going to the dealer for the part.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> > On Sep 10, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On September 10, 2015 at 10:21 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Guess that means I'll buy OE for the 98 S420 that needs front
> >springs.
> >> >
> >> > The Lesjofors catalog info on the ebay listings seems dodgy.
> >> > For some years, including 97, they list the same spring for the
> >S500 and
> >> S420
> >> > For other years, they list the same spring for S320 and S420.
> >> > I'd seen comments on Benzworld that the S500 springs were too stiff
> >and
> >> made the
> >> > car ride high.
> >> > The EPC had 3 springs, and for my car specified the weakest spring
> >with
> >> 3 nub or
> >> > 4 nub spacers.
> >> >
> >> > So I bought the "S320" springs on eBay (which were $50-60 cheaper
> >than
> >> the
> >> > "S500") and 4 nub
> >> > spacers from the dealer.
> >> > The result was the only bad spring experience I've ever had in my
> >life,
> >> not that
> >> > I've
> >> > replaced many coil springs. Maybe I should have used JC Whitney
> >springs
> >> like I
> >> > did when I put
> >> > the trailer hitch on my Plymouth Horizon. I think I went to
> >Carquest
> >> when my '95
> >> > Taurus broke
> >> > a spring.
> >> >
> >> > I do still need to contact Lesjofors and see what, if anything,
> >they
> >> will do. If
> >> > they tell
> >> > me I have counterfeit springs, I'm going to kick myself $113 worth
> >for
> >> not doing
> >> > something
> >> > through Paypal/eBay in a timely fashion.
> >> >
> >> > I contacted the eBay seller, who wanted specific info on my car to
> >check
> >> and see
> >> > if I bought
> >> > the "right" springs. I sent him the whole story, beginning with the
> >> model, year,
> >> > and VIN.
> >> > He responded that I sent him a blank message. I replied again, and
> >he
> >> never
> >> > responded.
> >> > Looking back on it, I wish I'd filed an eBay complaint at that
> >point.
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> > To search list archives 

Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-11 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
What is with all the slammo wagon spring mutilators? That thing looks like
it would shake your eye teeth out.

If someone would actually race one, I could see the point. But that thing
isn't even a diesel. Pshaw.

Did they really run the w124 from 1987 through to 1995? Holy cow that is a
long time.

Karl

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 4:11 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Here's what you need, Karl:
>
>
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2443121-w124-estate-lowered.html#post12790073
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 10, 2015, at 11:14 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am thinking of going 87. Can't bring myself to hot rod the 85 and
> thereby
> > reduce whatever value it has to virtually nothing.
> >
> > Which begs the question, what does a totally rust-free 85 tdt with a new
> > tranny, rebuilt turbo and top end go for these days with everything but
> the
> > center vents working and newish paint? It is actually almost a fast car;
> > goes like hell after the new head and turbo. Been running synthetic since
> > 82k; has 189k now. Interior presentable but could use new carpet in back
> > and passenger front. Headliner is fine, sunroof manual, no vacuum leaks.
> > Basically totally functional but no blow from center vents so I guess
> that
> > is next. AC cold, new controller. Yada yada. You get the idea; very good
> > shape.
> >
> > Karl
>
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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-11 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Karl,

Your 123 wagon is probably worth $5k or more on eBay.  

Are you looking for an '87 wagon or sedan to hot rod?  Wagons are somewhat 
rare, and usually neglected and beat up.  124 wagons are generally sold for 
less than 123 wagons.

My current dream is an OM606 turbo in a '95 wagon body.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 10, 2015 11:14:43 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I am thinking of going 87. Can't bring myself to hot rod the 85 and
>thereby
>reduce whatever value it has to virtually nothing.
>
>Which begs the question, what does a totally rust-free 85 tdt with a
>new
>tranny, rebuilt turbo and top end go for these days with everything but
>the
>center vents working and newish paint? It is actually almost a fast
>car;
>goes like hell after the new head and turbo. Been running synthetic
>since
>82k; has 189k now. Interior presentable but could use new carpet in
>back
>and passenger front. Headliner is fine, sunroof manual, no vacuum
>leaks.
>Basically totally functional but no blow from center vents so I guess
>that
>is next. AC cold, new controller. Yada yada. You get the idea; very
>good
>shape.
>
>Karl
>
>
>
>On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> In my case, I didn't realize the springs were different until about
>three
>> months after I bought them. I sent a message to the eBay seller and
>they
>> wanted all the details as far as application. When that didn't pan
>out,
>> they got Lesjofors involved. Despite photographs of the springs side
>by
>> side clearly showing they were different, Lesjofors just threw their
>hands
>> up and said I must have had some sort of one-off version of a W140. I
>> disputed that by showing them the EPC page with my VIN showing the
>proper
>> MB part number, which they said it was in their application guide.
>>
>> Never heard back from them. Fortunately, the seller was really good
>about
>> taking them back and was involved in the whole process of trying to
>sort
>> things out.
>>
>> In my case, the stock spring was flared out towards the top by a good
>inch
>> or more. The spring that Lesjofors said was the correct one was the
>same
>> diameter the whole length of the spring.  They even checked the
>others they
>> had for W140 applications and said that none of them were like mine.
>>
>> That's been my first foray into MB springs. It just reinforced the
>lesson
>> of going to the dealer for the part.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Sep 10, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On September 10, 2015 at 10:21 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Guess that means I'll buy OE for the 98 S420 that needs front
>springs.
>> >
>> > The Lesjofors catalog info on the ebay listings seems dodgy.
>> > For some years, including 97, they list the same spring for the
>S500 and
>> S420
>> > For other years, they list the same spring for S320 and S420.
>> > I'd seen comments on Benzworld that the S500 springs were too stiff
>and
>> made the
>> > car ride high.
>> > The EPC had 3 springs, and for my car specified the weakest spring
>with
>> 3 nub or
>> > 4 nub spacers.
>> >
>> > So I bought the "S320" springs on eBay (which were $50-60 cheaper
>than
>> the
>> > "S500") and 4 nub
>> > spacers from the dealer.
>> > The result was the only bad spring experience I've ever had in my
>life,
>> not that
>> > I've
>> > replaced many coil springs. Maybe I should have used JC Whitney
>springs
>> like I
>> > did when I put
>> > the trailer hitch on my Plymouth Horizon. I think I went to
>Carquest
>> when my '95
>> > Taurus broke
>> > a spring.
>> >
>> > I do still need to contact Lesjofors and see what, if anything,
>they
>> will do. If
>> > they tell
>> > me I have counterfeit springs, I'm going to kick myself $113 worth
>for
>> not doing
>> > something
>> > through Paypal/eBay in a timely fashion.
>> >
>> > I contacted the eBay seller, who wanted specific info on my car to
>check
>> and see
>> > if I bought
>> > the "right" springs. I sent him the whole story, beginning with the
>> model, year,
>> > and VIN.
>> > He responded that I sent him a blank message. I replied again, and
>he
>> never
>> > responded.
>> > Looking back on it, I wish I'd filed an eBay complaint at that
>point.
>> >
>> > ___
>> > http://www.okiebenz.com
>> >
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>> >
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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
For Kaleb you change the ignition lock so it doesn't match any of the others. 
The car is $500, the key is $10,000...

-Curt
  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com> 
 Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 9:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] wagon build
   
$10k

$500 for Kaleb. No title included, of course.

Dan

Sent from my iPad



> On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm gearing up to sell my repainted 1985 300TD, diamond blue with a
> near-flawless dark blue interior, after market third seat, working A/C, and
> roof racks.  It has a replacement drive train but so what?  Should be an
> interesting ebay auction.  The toughest part will be settling on a reserve
> price...
> 
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Karl,
>> 
>> Your 123 wagon is probably worth $5k or more on eBay.
>> 
>> Are you looking for an '87 wagon or sedan to hot rod?  Wagons are somewhat
>> rare, and usually neglected and beat up.  124 wagons are generally sold for
>> less than 123 wagons.
>> 
>> My current dream is an OM606 turbo in a '95 wagon body.
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>> On September 10, 2015 11:14:43 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> I am thinking of going 87. Can't bring myself to hot rod the 85 and
>>> thereby
>>> reduce whatever value it has to virtually nothing.
>>> 
>>> Which begs the question, what does a totally rust-free 85 tdt with a
>>> new
>>> tranny, rebuilt turbo and top end go for these days with everything but
>>> the
>>> center vents working and newish paint? It is actually almost a fast
>>> car;
>>> goes like hell after the new head and turbo. Been running synthetic
>>> since
>>> 82k; has 189k now. Interior presentable but could use new carpet in
>>> back

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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I'm gearing up to sell my repainted 1985 300TD, diamond blue with a
near-flawless dark blue interior, after market third seat, working A/C, and
roof racks.  It has a replacement drive train but so what?  Should be an
interesting ebay auction.  The toughest part will be settling on a reserve
price...

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Karl,
>
> Your 123 wagon is probably worth $5k or more on eBay.
>
> Are you looking for an '87 wagon or sedan to hot rod?  Wagons are somewhat
> rare, and usually neglected and beat up.  124 wagons are generally sold for
> less than 123 wagons.
>
> My current dream is an OM606 turbo in a '95 wagon body.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On September 10, 2015 11:14:43 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >I am thinking of going 87. Can't bring myself to hot rod the 85 and
> >thereby
> >reduce whatever value it has to virtually nothing.
> >
> >Which begs the question, what does a totally rust-free 85 tdt with a
> >new
> >tranny, rebuilt turbo and top end go for these days with everything but
> >the
> >center vents working and newish paint? It is actually almost a fast
> >car;
> >goes like hell after the new head and turbo. Been running synthetic
> >since
> >82k; has 189k now. Interior presentable but could use new carpet in
> >back
> >and passenger front. Headliner is fine, sunroof manual, no vacuum
> >leaks.
> >Basically totally functional but no blow from center vents so I guess
> >that
> >is next. AC cold, new controller. Yada yada. You get the idea; very
> >good
> >shape.
> >
> >Karl
> >
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In my case, I didn't realize the springs were different until about
> >three
> >> months after I bought them. I sent a message to the eBay seller and
> >they
> >> wanted all the details as far as application. When that didn't pan
> >out,
> >> they got Lesjofors involved. Despite photographs of the springs side
> >by
> >> side clearly showing they were different, Lesjofors just threw their
> >hands
> >> up and said I must have had some sort of one-off version of a W140. I
> >> disputed that by showing them the EPC page with my VIN showing the
> >proper
> >> MB part number, which they said it was in their application guide.
> >>
> >> Never heard back from them. Fortunately, the seller was really good
> >about
> >> taking them back and was involved in the whole process of trying to
> >sort
> >> things out.
> >>
> >> In my case, the stock spring was flared out towards the top by a good
> >inch
> >> or more. The spring that Lesjofors said was the correct one was the
> >same
> >> diameter the whole length of the spring.  They even checked the
> >others they
> >> had for W140 applications and said that none of them were like mine.
> >>
> >> That's been my first foray into MB springs. It just reinforced the
> >lesson
> >> of going to the dealer for the part.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> > On Sep 10, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On September 10, 2015 at 10:21 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Guess that means I'll buy OE for the 98 S420 that needs front
> >springs.
> >> >
> >> > The Lesjofors catalog info on the ebay listings seems dodgy.
> >> > For some years, including 97, they list the same spring for the
> >S500 and
> >> S420
> >> > For other years, they list the same spring for S320 and S420.
> >> > I'd seen comments on Benzworld that the S500 springs were too stiff
> >and
> >> made the
> >> > car ride high.
> >> > The EPC had 3 springs, and for my car specified the weakest spring
> >with
> >> 3 nub or
> >> > 4 nub spacers.
> >> >
> >> > So I bought the "S320" springs on eBay (which were $50-60 cheaper
> >than
> >> the
> >> > "S500") and 4 nub
> >> > spacers from the dealer.
> >> > The result was the only bad spring experience I've ever had in my
> >life,
> >> not that
> >> > I've
> >> > replaced many coil springs. Maybe I should have used JC Whitney
> >springs
> >> like I
> >> > did when I put
> >> > the trailer hitch on my Plymouth Horizon. I think I went to
> >Carquest
> >> when my '95
> >> > Taurus broke
> >> > a spring.
> >> >
> >> > I do still need to contact Lesjofors and see what, if anything,
> >they
> >> will do. If
> >> > they tell
> >> > me I have counterfeit springs, I'm going to kick myself $113 worth
> >for
> >> not doing
> >> > something
> >> > through Paypal/eBay in a timely fashion.
> >> >
> >> > I contacted the eBay seller, who wanted specific info on my car to
> >check
> >> and see
> >> > if I bought
> >> > the "right" springs. I sent him the whole story, beginning with the
> >> model, year,
> >> > and VIN.
> >> > He responded that I sent him a blank message. I replied again, and
> >he
> 

Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
$10k

$500 for Kaleb. No title included, of course.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm gearing up to sell my repainted 1985 300TD, diamond blue with a
> near-flawless dark blue interior, after market third seat, working A/C, and
> roof racks.  It has a replacement drive train but so what?  Should be an
> interesting ebay auction.  The toughest part will be settling on a reserve
> price...
> 
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Karl,
>> 
>> Your 123 wagon is probably worth $5k or more on eBay.
>> 
>> Are you looking for an '87 wagon or sedan to hot rod?  Wagons are somewhat
>> rare, and usually neglected and beat up.  124 wagons are generally sold for
>> less than 123 wagons.
>> 
>> My current dream is an OM606 turbo in a '95 wagon body.
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>> On September 10, 2015 11:14:43 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> I am thinking of going 87. Can't bring myself to hot rod the 85 and
>>> thereby
>>> reduce whatever value it has to virtually nothing.
>>> 
>>> Which begs the question, what does a totally rust-free 85 tdt with a
>>> new
>>> tranny, rebuilt turbo and top end go for these days with everything but
>>> the
>>> center vents working and newish paint? It is actually almost a fast
>>> car;
>>> goes like hell after the new head and turbo. Been running synthetic
>>> since
>>> 82k; has 189k now. Interior presentable but could use new carpet in
>>> back

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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I was thinking the same number, perhaps wishfully...

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> $10k
>
> $500 for Kaleb. No title included, of course.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm gearing up to sell my repainted 1985 300TD, diamond blue with a
> > near-flawless dark blue interior, after market third seat, working A/C,
> and
> > roof racks.  It has a replacement drive train but so what?  Should be an
> > interesting ebay auction.  The toughest part will be settling on a
> reserve
> > price...
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Karl,
> >>
> >> Your 123 wagon is probably worth $5k or more on eBay.
> >>
> >> Are you looking for an '87 wagon or sedan to hot rod?  Wagons are
> somewhat
> >> rare, and usually neglected and beat up.  124 wagons are generally sold
> for
> >> less than 123 wagons.
> >>
> >> My current dream is an OM606 turbo in a '95 wagon body.
> >> --
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >> '87 300TD
> >> '95 E300
> >>
> >> On September 10, 2015 11:14:43 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> I am thinking of going 87. Can't bring myself to hot rod the 85 and
> >>> thereby
> >>> reduce whatever value it has to virtually nothing.
> >>>
> >>> Which begs the question, what does a totally rust-free 85 tdt with a
> >>> new
> >>> tranny, rebuilt turbo and top end go for these days with everything but
> >>> the
> >>> center vents working and newish paint? It is actually almost a fast
> >>> car;
> >>> goes like hell after the new head and turbo. Been running synthetic
> >>> since
> >>> 82k; has 189k now. Interior presentable but could use new carpet in
> >>> back
>
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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Here's what you need, Karl:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2443121-w124-estate-lowered.html#post12790073

Dan

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> On Sep 10, 2015, at 11:14 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am thinking of going 87. Can't bring myself to hot rod the 85 and thereby
> reduce whatever value it has to virtually nothing.
> 
> Which begs the question, what does a totally rust-free 85 tdt with a new
> tranny, rebuilt turbo and top end go for these days with everything but the
> center vents working and newish paint? It is actually almost a fast car;
> goes like hell after the new head and turbo. Been running synthetic since
> 82k; has 189k now. Interior presentable but could use new carpet in back
> and passenger front. Headliner is fine, sunroof manual, no vacuum leaks.
> Basically totally functional but no blow from center vents so I guess that
> is next. AC cold, new controller. Yada yada. You get the idea; very good
> shape.
> 
> Karl

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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Why not, if it's nice?

You can always do a "second chance offer" if it doesn't meet the reserve.

Just remember that eBay will rape you on fees. It's a necessary evil, but where 
else will you get that kind of exposure?

With that in mind, you might want to consider signing up for BenzWorld and 
listing it there. It doesn't cost anything and you'll get good exposure, albeit 
much more discerning buyers. 

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I was thinking the same number, perhaps wishfully...
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> $10k
>> 
>> $500 for Kaleb. No title included, of course.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> > On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm gearing up to sell my repainted 1985 300TD, diamond blue with a
>> > near-flawless dark blue interior, after market third seat, working A/C, and
>> > roof racks.  It has a replacement drive train but so what?  Should be an
>> > interesting ebay auction.  The toughest part will be settling on a reserve
>> > price...
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Karl,
>> >>
>> >> Your 123 wagon is probably worth $5k or more on eBay.
>> >>
>> >> Are you looking for an '87 wagon or sedan to hot rod?  Wagons are somewhat
>> >> rare, and usually neglected and beat up.  124 wagons are generally sold 
>> >> for
>> >> less than 123 wagons.
>> >>
>> >> My current dream is an OM606 turbo in a '95 wagon body.
>> >> --
>> >> Max Dillon
>> >> Charleston SC
>> >> '87 300TD
>> >> '95 E300
>> >>
>> >> On September 10, 2015 11:14:43 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>> I am thinking of going 87. Can't bring myself to hot rod the 85 and
>> >>> thereby
>> >>> reduce whatever value it has to virtually nothing.
>> >>>
>> >>> Which begs the question, what does a totally rust-free 85 tdt with a
>> >>> new
>> >>> tranny, rebuilt turbo and top end go for these days with everything but
>> >>> the
>> >>> center vents working and newish paint? It is actually almost a fast
>> >>> car;
>> >>> goes like hell after the new head and turbo. Been running synthetic
>> >>> since
>> >>> 82k; has 189k now. Interior presentable but could use new carpet in
>> >>> back
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The point being is that it will be mostly MB people who know the car well and 
will often pick nits. I don't expect you'll get top dollar there for just that 
reason, unless the car is really outstanding.

If you want to get top dollar, I would say go to eBay.  People pay stupid money 
for stuff there, and you've also got the "I'm going to beat you even though I'm 
paying far more than it's worth" mentality, too.

Of course, you can always try Craigslist if you want the lowballers, can you 
finance it for me, and the no-shows.

Dan

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> On Sep 11, 2015, at 10:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The last thing I need is a "discerning buyer"...
> 
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> But does the AC BLOW ICE COLD and does it get 40mpg on FREE VEG OIL???
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/11/15 9:55 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was thinking the same number, perhaps wishfully...
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> $10k
 
 $500 for Kaleb. No title included, of course.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> I'm gearing up to sell my repainted 1985 300TD, diamond blue with a
> near-flawless dark blue interior, after market third seat, working A/C,
 and
 
> roof racks.  It has a replacement drive train but so what?  Should be an
> interesting ebay auction.  The toughest part will be settling on a
 reserve
 
> price...
> 
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Karl,
>> 
>> Your 123 wagon is probably worth $5k or more on eBay.
>> 
>> Are you looking for an '87 wagon or sedan to hot rod?  Wagons are
> somewhat
 
> rare, and usually neglected and beat up.  124 wagons are generally sold
> for
 
> less than 123 wagons.
>> 
>> My current dream is an OM606 turbo in a '95 wagon body.
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>> On September 10, 2015 11:14:43 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I am thinking of going 87. Can't bring myself to hot rod the 85 and
>>> thereby
>>> reduce whatever value it has to virtually nothing.
>>> 
>>> Which begs the question, what does a totally rust-free 85 tdt with a
>>> new
>>> tranny, rebuilt turbo and top end go for these days with everything
>>> but
>>> the
>>> center vents working and newish paint? It is actually almost a fast
>>> car;
>>> goes like hell after the new head and turbo. Been running synthetic
>>> since
>>> 82k; has 189k now. Interior presentable but could use new carpet in
>>> back
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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-11 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

But does the AC BLOW ICE COLD and does it get 40mpg on FREE VEG OIL???

--R



On 9/11/15 9:55 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I was thinking the same number, perhaps wishfully...

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


$10k

$500 for Kaleb. No title included, of course.

Dan

Sent from my iPad


On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I'm gearing up to sell my repainted 1985 300TD, diamond blue with a
near-flawless dark blue interior, after market third seat, working A/C,

and

roof racks.  It has a replacement drive train but so what?  Should be an
interesting ebay auction.  The toughest part will be settling on a

reserve

price...

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Karl,

Your 123 wagon is probably worth $5k or more on eBay.

Are you looking for an '87 wagon or sedan to hot rod?  Wagons are

somewhat

rare, and usually neglected and beat up.  124 wagons are generally sold

for

less than 123 wagons.

My current dream is an OM606 turbo in a '95 wagon body.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 10, 2015 11:14:43 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I am thinking of going 87. Can't bring myself to hot rod the 85 and
thereby
reduce whatever value it has to virtually nothing.

Which begs the question, what does a totally rust-free 85 tdt with a
new
tranny, rebuilt turbo and top end go for these days with everything but
the
center vents working and newish paint? It is actually almost a fast
car;
goes like hell after the new head and turbo. Been running synthetic
since
82k; has 189k now. Interior presentable but could use new carpet in
back

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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
The last thing I need is a "discerning buyer"...

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> But does the AC BLOW ICE COLD and does it get 40mpg on FREE VEG OIL???
>
> --R
>
>
>
>
> On 9/11/15 9:55 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I was thinking the same number, perhaps wishfully...
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> $10k
>>>
>>> $500 for Kaleb. No title included, of course.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <

>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'm gearing up to sell my repainted 1985 300TD, diamond blue with a
 near-flawless dark blue interior, after market third seat, working A/C,

>>> and
>>>
 roof racks.  It has a replacement drive train but so what?  Should be an
 interesting ebay auction.  The toughest part will be settling on a

>>> reserve
>>>
 price...

 On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 Karl,
>
> Your 123 wagon is probably worth $5k or more on eBay.
>
> Are you looking for an '87 wagon or sedan to hot rod?  Wagons are
>
 somewhat
>>>
 rare, and usually neglected and beat up.  124 wagons are generally sold
>
 for
>>>
 less than 123 wagons.
>
> My current dream is an OM606 turbo in a '95 wagon body.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On September 10, 2015 11:14:43 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I am thinking of going 87. Can't bring myself to hot rod the 85 and
>> thereby
>> reduce whatever value it has to virtually nothing.
>>
>> Which begs the question, what does a totally rust-free 85 tdt with a
>> new
>> tranny, rebuilt turbo and top end go for these days with everything
>> but
>> the
>> center vents working and newish paint? It is actually almost a fast
>> car;
>> goes like hell after the new head and turbo. Been running synthetic
>> since
>> 82k; has 189k now. Interior presentable but could use new carpet in
>> back
>>
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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-10 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

You should use it for a taxi then

--R


On 9/10/15 9:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I LOVE my wagons so much that I will replace the two spheres in the 1985
300TD even though they were replaced once recently.  The rear is uber
bouncy...



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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I LOVE my wagons so much that I will replace the two spheres in the 1985
300TD even though they were replaced once recently.  The rear is uber
bouncy...

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> They ride so goood...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: Okie Benz <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com>
>  Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 8:22 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] wagon build
>
> SLS is like a Zenith carb.  People are mystified by it, but if they took
> the time to understand it and simply follow instructions when working on
> them, they would realize how simple and trouble-free they are.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 9, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Some people have an irrational fear of SLS similar to a fear of snakes,
> and no amount of persuasion can prevent them from removing it.
> > --
> > Max Dillon, fears neither snakes nor SLS.
> > Charleston SC
> > '87 300TD
> > '95 E300
> >
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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-10 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


> On September 10, 2015 at 10:00 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Where did the last spheres come from? Manufacturers name?
> Maybe its time to stop buying parts purely on price? IIRC you source or at
> least look up, a lot of stuff on eBay. A cheap repair is not cheap the second
> time you do it.


Reminds me, I've got to do something about the new/sacked out springs on the
S420.
The boxes said Lesjofors, the car sat a little high when I put it together,
dropped
to level overnight, and was almost as bad as the broken original springs after
one
mile. That was four months ago, now it's worse than the broken springs. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Where did the last spheres come from? Manufacturers name?
Maybe its time to stop buying parts purely on price? IIRC you source or at 
least look up, a lot of stuff on eBay. A cheap repair is not cheap the second 
time you do it.
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] wagon build
   
I LOVE my wagons so much that I will replace the two spheres in the 1985  300TD 
even though they were replaced once recently.  The rear is uber bouncy...


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

They ride so goood...
-Curt

      From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Okie Benz <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 8:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] wagon build

SLS is like a Zenith carb.  People are mystified by it, but if they took the 
time to understand it and simply follow instructions when working on them, they 
would realize how simple and trouble-free they are.

Dan




> On Sep 9, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Some people have an irrational fear of SLS similar to a fear of snakes, and 
> no amount of persuasion can prevent them from removing it.
> --
> Max Dillon, fears neither snakes nor SLS.
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>


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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-10 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
In my case, I didn't realize the springs were different until about three 
months after I bought them. I sent a message to the eBay seller and they wanted 
all the details as far as application. When that didn't pan out, they got 
Lesjofors involved. Despite photographs of the springs side by side clearly 
showing they were different, Lesjofors just threw their hands up and said I 
must have had some sort of one-off version of a W140. I disputed that by 
showing them the EPC page with my VIN showing the proper MB part number, which 
they said it was in their application guide.

Never heard back from them. Fortunately, the seller was really good about 
taking them back and was involved in the whole process of trying to sort things 
out.

In my case, the stock spring was flared out towards the top by a good inch or 
more. The spring that Lesjofors said was the correct one was the same diameter 
the whole length of the spring.  They even checked the others they had for W140 
applications and said that none of them were like mine.

That's been my first foray into MB springs. It just reinforced the lesson of 
going to the dealer for the part.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 10, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On September 10, 2015 at 10:21 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Guess that means I'll buy OE for the 98 S420 that needs front springs.
> 
> The Lesjofors catalog info on the ebay listings seems dodgy. 
> For some years, including 97, they list the same spring for the S500 and S420
> For other years, they list the same spring for S320 and S420.
> I'd seen comments on Benzworld that the S500 springs were too stiff and made 
> the
> car ride high. 
> The EPC had 3 springs, and for my car specified the weakest spring with 3 nub 
> or
> 4 nub spacers.
> 
> So I bought the "S320" springs on eBay (which were $50-60 cheaper than the
> "S500") and 4 nub
> spacers from the dealer. 
> The result was the only bad spring experience I've ever had in my life, not 
> that
> I've
> replaced many coil springs. Maybe I should have used JC Whitney springs like I
> did when I put
> the trailer hitch on my Plymouth Horizon. I think I went to Carquest when my 
> '95
> Taurus broke
> a spring. 
> 
> I do still need to contact Lesjofors and see what, if anything, they will do. 
> If
> they tell
> me I have counterfeit springs, I'm going to kick myself $113 worth for not 
> doing
> something
> through Paypal/eBay in a timely fashion. 
> 
> I contacted the eBay seller, who wanted specific info on my car to check and 
> see
> if I bought
> the "right" springs. I sent him the whole story, beginning with the model, 
> year,
> and VIN.
> He responded that I sent him a blank message. I replied again, and he never
> responded.
> Looking back on it, I wish I'd filed an eBay complaint at that point. 
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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-10 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


> On September 10, 2015 at 10:21 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Guess that means I'll buy OE for the 98 S420 that needs front springs.

The Lesjofors catalog info on the ebay listings seems dodgy. 
For some years, including 97, they list the same spring for the S500 and S420
For other years, they list the same spring for S320 and S420.
I'd seen comments on Benzworld that the S500 springs were too stiff and made the
car ride high. 
The EPC had 3 springs, and for my car specified the weakest spring with 3 nub or
4 nub spacers.

So I bought the "S320" springs on eBay (which were $50-60 cheaper than the
"S500") and 4 nub
spacers from the dealer. 
The result was the only bad spring experience I've ever had in my life, not that
I've
replaced many coil springs. Maybe I should have used JC Whitney springs like I
did when I put
the trailer hitch on my Plymouth Horizon. I think I went to Carquest when my '95
Taurus broke
a spring. 

I do still need to contact Lesjofors and see what, if anything, they will do. If
they tell
me I have counterfeit springs, I'm going to kick myself $113 worth for not doing
something
through Paypal/eBay in a timely fashion. 

I contacted the eBay seller, who wanted specific info on my car to check and see
if I bought
the "right" springs. I sent him the whole story, beginning with the model, year,
and VIN.
He responded that I sent him a blank message. I replied again, and he never
responded.
Looking back on it, I wish I'd filed an eBay complaint at that point. 

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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-10 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
I am thinking of going 87. Can't bring myself to hot rod the 85 and thereby
reduce whatever value it has to virtually nothing.

Which begs the question, what does a totally rust-free 85 tdt with a new
tranny, rebuilt turbo and top end go for these days with everything but the
center vents working and newish paint? It is actually almost a fast car;
goes like hell after the new head and turbo. Been running synthetic since
82k; has 189k now. Interior presentable but could use new carpet in back
and passenger front. Headliner is fine, sunroof manual, no vacuum leaks.
Basically totally functional but no blow from center vents so I guess that
is next. AC cold, new controller. Yada yada. You get the idea; very good
shape.

Karl



On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> In my case, I didn't realize the springs were different until about three
> months after I bought them. I sent a message to the eBay seller and they
> wanted all the details as far as application. When that didn't pan out,
> they got Lesjofors involved. Despite photographs of the springs side by
> side clearly showing they were different, Lesjofors just threw their hands
> up and said I must have had some sort of one-off version of a W140. I
> disputed that by showing them the EPC page with my VIN showing the proper
> MB part number, which they said it was in their application guide.
>
> Never heard back from them. Fortunately, the seller was really good about
> taking them back and was involved in the whole process of trying to sort
> things out.
>
> In my case, the stock spring was flared out towards the top by a good inch
> or more. The spring that Lesjofors said was the correct one was the same
> diameter the whole length of the spring.  They even checked the others they
> had for W140 applications and said that none of them were like mine.
>
> That's been my first foray into MB springs. It just reinforced the lesson
> of going to the dealer for the part.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 10, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> On September 10, 2015 at 10:21 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Guess that means I'll buy OE for the 98 S420 that needs front springs.
> >
> > The Lesjofors catalog info on the ebay listings seems dodgy.
> > For some years, including 97, they list the same spring for the S500 and
> S420
> > For other years, they list the same spring for S320 and S420.
> > I'd seen comments on Benzworld that the S500 springs were too stiff and
> made the
> > car ride high.
> > The EPC had 3 springs, and for my car specified the weakest spring with
> 3 nub or
> > 4 nub spacers.
> >
> > So I bought the "S320" springs on eBay (which were $50-60 cheaper than
> the
> > "S500") and 4 nub
> > spacers from the dealer.
> > The result was the only bad spring experience I've ever had in my life,
> not that
> > I've
> > replaced many coil springs. Maybe I should have used JC Whitney springs
> like I
> > did when I put
> > the trailer hitch on my Plymouth Horizon. I think I went to Carquest
> when my '95
> > Taurus broke
> > a spring.
> >
> > I do still need to contact Lesjofors and see what, if anything, they
> will do. If
> > they tell
> > me I have counterfeit springs, I'm going to kick myself $113 worth for
> not doing
> > something
> > through Paypal/eBay in a timely fashion.
> >
> > I contacted the eBay seller, who wanted specific info on my car to check
> and see
> > if I bought
> > the "right" springs. I sent him the whole story, beginning with the
> model, year,
> > and VIN.
> > He responded that I sent him a blank message. I replied again, and he
> never
> > responded.
> > Looking back on it, I wish I'd filed an eBay complaint at that point.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
SLS is like a Zenith carb.  People are mystified by it, but if they took the 
time to understand it and simply follow instructions when working on them, they 
would realize how simple and trouble-free they are.

Dan


> On Sep 9, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Some people have an irrational fear of SLS similar to a fear of snakes, and 
> no amount of persuasion can prevent them from removing it.
> -- 
> Max Dillon, fears neither snakes nor SLS.
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 


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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
A turbo 617 with a 4spd would be cool, with a 5spd it'd be awesome. Too bad he 
decided to do away with SLS. I didn't read his reasons, just skipped ahead and 
saw that he'd done it...
-Curt

  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Rich Thomas  
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 7:14 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] wagon build
   
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/351803-finally-intro-300td-manual-project.html

--R


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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-09 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Some people have an irrational fear of SLS similar to a fear of snakes, and no 
amount of persuasion can prevent them from removing it.
-- 
Max Dillon, fears neither snakes nor SLS.
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 9, 2015 7:35:47 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>A turbo 617 with a 4spd would be cool, with a 5spd it'd be awesome. Too
>bad he decided to do away with SLS. I didn't read his reasons, just
>skipped ahead and saw that he'd done it...
>-Curt
>
>  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Cc: Rich Thomas  
> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 7:14 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] wagon build
>   
>http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/351803-finally-intro-300td-manual-project.html
>
>--R
>
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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-09 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Some people have an irrational fear of SLS similar to a fear of 
snakes, and no amount of persuasion can prevent them from removing 
it.

--
Max Dillon, fears neither snakes nor SLS.
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300


SLS is pretty simple.  Most complex part is the dual pump on some. 
It is supposedly not rebuildable, but Q got a kit for me and I 
rebuilt the  one I had that was leaking.  new seals and it worked 
perfectly.


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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

2015-09-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
They ride so goood...
-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Okie Benz <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com> 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 8:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] wagon build
   
SLS is like a Zenith carb.  People are mystified by it, but if they took the 
time to understand it and simply follow instructions when working on them, they 
would realize how simple and trouble-free they are.

Dan




> On Sep 9, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Some people have an irrational fear of SLS similar to a fear of snakes, and 
> no amount of persuasion can prevent them from removing it.
> -- 
> Max Dillon, fears neither snakes nor SLS.
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 


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