Mersenne: Re: Need Clarafication

1999-04-08 Thread Rudy Ruiz

The SHORT answer to your question is no.  The contrary is true. Almost all of
those numbers (a mathematical term) are composite.

I suggest you try the Prime pages of Chris Caldwell which hold a wealth of
information.
Try this link for more on those numbers which are called "primordial +1
primes" or "prime factorial".

These are the only numbers of that form that have been discovered for
2p35000p#+1 is prime for the primes p=2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 31, 379, 1019,
1021, 2657, 3229, 4547, 4787, 11549, 13649, 18523, 23801,
 and 24029


 http://www.utm.edu/research/primes/glossary/PrimeFactorial.html

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,

 Just wondering if someone can give me a yes or no on a simple concept.

 Given {1, 2, 3, 5, 7, ..., Xn-1, Xn}, where each Xn is prime and there are
 no prime numbers between each Xn-1 and Xn, is the following always prime:

 (1*2*3*5*7*...*Xn-1*Xn) + 1

 Thank you!

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Mersenne: Request for Software

1999-04-08 Thread Gilmore, John (AZ75)

Anyone have an executable that runs under SGI Irix 6.5 I can use for
double-checking and acquire via FTP or e-mail attachment?

John Gilmore
Not the one from EFF.

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Mersenne: Factoring bugs

1999-04-08 Thread Will Edgington


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   As LL tests begin to go beyond the limits of older machines, now may
   be a good time to consider a distributed factoring effort. I've wanted
   to see one for a while now but frankly, implementing many of the
   algorithms is over my head. That, and the lack of a permanent home
   have made me shelf it. If, however, anyone wants to talk about
   donating code or a server, I don't see why we couldn't make one, and
   factor some of the unfinished mersennes.

See ECMNet.  I'm pretty sure there's a link off www.mersenne.org and
off my mersenne.html.  There's a new server/client setup that's
apparently almost as automatic as Prime95/PrimeNet.  (I haven't had
time to try it yet).  But note that ECMNet is trying to completely
factor various numbers, including the Mersennes with exponents into
the low thousands; it is not trying to find factors of the Mersenne
numbers that GIMPS is interested in.  If you want to do the latter,
use Prime95.

   In my mind, the v17 bug illustrates how important factoring is. It
   provides an easily-verified proof of compositeness.

Yes, and that's the whole reason there is a factorer part of GIMPS:
because having it eliminates possibilities faster, and with no need
for a doublecheck.  Factors are very easy to confirm; my 200MHz
Pentium can probably verify every known factor in a day or three (and
I have had it do so a few times in the past).

But Prime95's factoring code has also had bugs at times; a bug-free
program is - as I'm sure most of us are aware - effectively
impossible.  Which is part of why there are other programs that do the
same things, like the mers package that I maintain.  Prior bugs in the
mers package LL testers and factorers were exposed by comparisons with
output from Prime95, just as prior bugs in Prime95 were exposed by
comparisons with the mers package programs.

Will

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Mersenne Digest V1 #542

1999-04-08 Thread Mersenne Digest


Mersenne DigestThursday, April 8 1999Volume 01 : Number 542




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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 14:26:53 -0700
From: Rudy Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Mersenne: Re:Mersenne Twin Primes

Mon, 05 Apr 1999 "Foghorn Leghorn" wrote":

 begin quote~
To be completely sure of this, I found as many first factors as possible

for numbers of this form.

p   First factor of 2^p-3
- - 
3*  5
5*  29
7   5
13  19
17  53
19  5
31  5
61  29
89  29
107 5
127 5
521 5296777
607 5
12795
22035
228119
321719
4253No factor to 2^32
44235
968953
994123
11213   No factor to 2^32
19937   47
21701   53
23209   53
44497   29
86243   5
110503  5
132049  17040433
216091  5
756839  5
859433  4219
1257787 5
1398269 29
2976221 293
3021377 10513

*Indicates that 2^p-3 is prime.
 end quote~

Obviously "IFF  p == 3 mod 4 " 2^p-3== 0 mod 5, so there you have a 
trivial pattern.

Therefore, only cases where p==1 mod 4 need to be investigated.
For what it's worth, there are 15 incidences of a factor "5".

In the following chart, I'll simply put the factors 5 with their
occurrence.

"Table of Frequencies" (for the 21 instances where p==1 mod 4)
   ---Assuming that the two "factors 2^32" are different---

  factor  |ocurrence
  +
   29 |  5
   53 |  4
   19 |  3
   23 |  1
   47 |  1
   293|  1
  4219|  1
 10513|  1
5296777   |  1
   17040433   |  1
   number2^32|  1
 number2^32+2|  1


While there is no foreseeable reason for a number of the form
 2^p-3, (subject to p==1 mod 4 and p5) _not_ to be prime,
 the odds are so overwhelmingly stacked against it that if
ever "found" the probability of computer error, programmer error,
operator error would have to be a factor to consider.

The pattern seems interesting in that:
1.- there are no factors 7,11,13,17
2.- the distribution is somewhat skewed. (IMHO)

Rodolfo

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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 19:34:16 -0400
From: "Allan G. Schrum" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Mersenne: Testing of software

A couple of cents from the south on testing.

First, testing each version is exactly what is needed, but a full run of
an exponent is not. Using something similar to Prime95's current
self-test, let's develop a more complete set of exponents for testing.
Using a couple hundred iterations from each exponent would be more than
adequate for a test suite. Also, it is something that can be run and
tested in a reasonable amount of time.

So in that vain, let's extract a set of exponents and start putting
together a testing master of 100, 500, 1000, 5000 and 1 iterations
for each one. Make sure the list includes exponents near the beginning
and end of an FFT range, any just before and just after any power of two
for the exponent, etc.

Next, there are several independant programs already that work on
several architectures for independant verification. Namely, Richard
Crandall's lucdwt code is portable and works. The algorithm is used by
George's Prime95 but is completely in C so it works on many
architectures. Certainly a good starting point. I'm sure there are
others. Use these suites of programs to construct our testing master.

Test what needs testing. Exhaustive tests are tiring.

- -Allan

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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 00:31:51 -0400
From: Pierre Abbat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Mersenne: How to tell when mprime wants to get on the Net

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I am running mprime on my home machine and prime95 at the office.
Prime95 tells me when it wants to get on the Net, but I couldn't tell
with mprime. George Woltman told me about the -d option, but it resulted
in a humongous file which reset only when I rebooted, which wasn't very
often. Last I checked, it was half as big as the program itself. (Good
thing my cat has a tail.) So I wrote the attached tcl script (which can
be used with other programs too) and pipe the output of