Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Nicholas Krause
On 2/28/20 4:22 PM, Daniel Vetter wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 9:31 PM Dave Airlie wrote: On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 05:34, Eric Anholt wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 12:48 AM Dave Airlie wrote: On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 18:18, Daniel Stone wrote: On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 03:38, Dave Airlie

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Daniel Vetter
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 9:31 PM Dave Airlie wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 05:34, Eric Anholt wrote: > > > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 12:48 AM Dave Airlie wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 18:18, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > > > > > > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 03:38, Dave Airlie wrote: >

Re: [Mesa-dev] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Matt Turner
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 12:00 AM Daniel Stone wrote: > > Hi Matt, > > On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 23:45, Matt Turner wrote: > > We're paying 75K USD for the bandwidth to transfer data from the > > GitLab cloud instance. i.e., for viewing the https site, for > > cloning/updating git repos, and for

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Dave Airlie
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 05:34, Eric Anholt wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 12:48 AM Dave Airlie wrote: > > > > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 18:18, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 03:38, Dave Airlie wrote: > > > > b) we probably need to take a large step back here. > > > > >

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Eric Anholt
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 1:20 AM Eero Tamminen wrote: > > Hi, > > On 28.2.2020 10.48, Dave Airlie wrote: > >> Yes, we could federate everything back out so everyone runs their own > >> builds and executes those. Tinderbox did something really similar to > >> that IIRC; not sure if Buildbot does as

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Eric Anholt
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 12:48 AM Dave Airlie wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 18:18, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 03:38, Dave Airlie wrote: > > > b) we probably need to take a large step back here. > > > > > > Look at this from a sponsor POV, why would I give X.org/fd.o >

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Kristian Høgsberg
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 7:38 PM Dave Airlie wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 07:27, Daniel Vetter wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > You might have read the short take in the X.org board meeting minutes > > already, here's the long version. > > > > The good news: gitlab.fd.o has become very popular

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Rob Clark
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:43 AM Michel Dänzer wrote: > > On 2020-02-28 10:28 a.m., Erik Faye-Lund wrote: > > > > We could also do stuff like reducing the amount of tests we run on each > > commit, and punt some testing to a per-weekend test-run or someting > > like that. We don't *need* to know

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Lionel Landwerlin
On 28/02/2020 13:46, Michel Dänzer wrote: On 2020-02-28 12:02 p.m., Erik Faye-Lund wrote: On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 10:43 +, Daniel Stone wrote: On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 10:06, Erik Faye-Lund wrote: On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 11:40 +0200, Lionel Landwerlin wrote: Yeah, changes on vulkan drivers or

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Michel Dänzer
On 2020-02-28 12:02 p.m., Erik Faye-Lund wrote: > On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 10:43 +, Daniel Stone wrote: >> On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 10:06, Erik Faye-Lund >> wrote: >>> On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 11:40 +0200, Lionel Landwerlin wrote: Yeah, changes on vulkan drivers or backend compilers should be

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Michel Dänzer
On 2020-02-28 10:28 a.m., Erik Faye-Lund wrote: > > We could also do stuff like reducing the amount of tests we run on each > commit, and punt some testing to a per-weekend test-run or someting > like that. We don't *need* to know about every problem up front, just > the stuff that's about to be

Re: [Mesa-dev] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Daniel Stone
Hi Jan, On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 10:09, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > On Friday 2020-02-28 08:59, Daniel Stone wrote: > >I believe that in January, we had $2082 of network cost (almost > >entirely egress; ingress is basically free) and $1750 of > >cloud-storage cost (almost all of which was download).

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Erik Faye-Lund
On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 10:43 +, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 10:06, Erik Faye-Lund > wrote: > > On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 11:40 +0200, Lionel Landwerlin wrote: > > > Yeah, changes on vulkan drivers or backend compilers should be > > > fairly > > > sandboxed. > > > > > > We also

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Lucas Stach
On Fr, 2020-02-28 at 10:47 +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote: > On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 10:29 AM Erik Faye-Lund > wrote: > > On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 13:37 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: > > > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 07:27, Daniel Vetter > > > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > You might have read the

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Daniel Stone
On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 10:06, Erik Faye-Lund wrote: > On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 11:40 +0200, Lionel Landwerlin wrote: > > Yeah, changes on vulkan drivers or backend compilers should be > > fairly > > sandboxed. > > > > We also have tools that only work for intel stuff, that should never > > trigger

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Erik Faye-Lund
On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 10:47 +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote: > On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 10:29 AM Erik Faye-Lund > wrote: > > On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 13:37 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: > > > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 07:27, Daniel Vetter < > > > daniel.vet...@ffwll.ch> > > > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > >

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Erik Faye-Lund
On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 11:40 +0200, Lionel Landwerlin wrote: > On 28/02/2020 11:28, Erik Faye-Lund wrote: > > On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 13:37 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: > > > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 07:27, Daniel Vetter < > > > daniel.vet...@ffwll.ch> > > > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > You

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Daniel Vetter
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 10:29 AM Erik Faye-Lund wrote: > > On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 13:37 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 07:27, Daniel Vetter > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > You might have read the short take in the X.org board meeting > > > minutes > > > already, here's

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Lionel Landwerlin
On 28/02/2020 11:28, Erik Faye-Lund wrote: On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 13:37 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 07:27, Daniel Vetter wrote: Hi all, You might have read the short take in the X.org board meeting minutes already, here's the long version. The good news: gitlab.fd.o has

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Erik Faye-Lund
On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 13:37 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 07:27, Daniel Vetter > wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > You might have read the short take in the X.org board meeting > > minutes > > already, here's the long version. > > > > The good news: gitlab.fd.o has become very

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Daniel Stone
On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 08:48, Dave Airlie wrote: > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 18:18, Daniel Stone wrote: > > The last I looked, Google GCP / Amazon AWS / Azure were all pretty > > comparable in terms of what you get and what you pay for them. > > Obviously providers like Packet and Digital Ocean who

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, On 28.2.2020 10.48, Dave Airlie wrote: Yes, we could federate everything back out so everyone runs their own builds and executes those. Tinderbox did something really similar to that IIRC; not sure if Buildbot does as well. Probably rules out pre-merge testing, mind. Why? does gitlab not

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Dave Airlie
On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 18:18, Daniel Stone wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 03:38, Dave Airlie wrote: > > b) we probably need to take a large step back here. > > > > Look at this from a sponsor POV, why would I give X.org/fd.o > > sponsorship money that they are just giving straight to google

Re: [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Daniel Stone
On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 03:38, Dave Airlie wrote: > b) we probably need to take a large step back here. > > Look at this from a sponsor POV, why would I give X.org/fd.o > sponsorship money that they are just giving straight to google to pay > for hosting credits? Google are profiting in some minor

Re: [Mesa-dev] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services

2020-02-28 Thread Daniel Stone
Hi Matt, On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 23:45, Matt Turner wrote: > We're paying 75K USD for the bandwidth to transfer data from the > GitLab cloud instance. i.e., for viewing the https site, for > cloning/updating git repos, and for downloading CI artifacts/images to > the testing machines (AFAIU). I