WRT the engine I only see good things coming out of this. Engine wise
things will continue for the most part as they have for years, with Scott
carefuly reviewing everything, working on language features, and keeping
us on the straight and narrow. The only area where things will change
is our
On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 09:29 pm, Scott Rossi wrote:
Is there a way to get/monitor the K downloaded when using the method
put
url DATA1 into url DATA2?
I know this possible using libURL and libUrlFtpUpload, but how about
put
url?
Sorry for the delay. I'm out of the country, and I'm
I have a lot of respect for the folks at Revolution, but I chose to remain
with MetaCard for a reason. Revolution's interface is bloated and overly
complicated. There are some nice features, to be sure, but I chose MetaCard
over Revolution for the same reason that I chose AppleWorks over
The MetaCard group already exists:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/metacard/
JR
Scott Raney wrote:
The first order of business will be to set up a mailing
list so that we can start discussions of how that group should be
organized and later, what changes to the UI everyone wants (and
I can program in MetaCard in my sleep (and often have.) The idea of
relearning a complicated interface and paying for the privilege
does nothing
for me. If Revolution wants the remaining hardcore MetaCard users, they
have one serious shot at it... They need to offer a FREE
cross-grade,
Features like activex, webkit/html, databases, xml, real tables, video
capture, Quartz, metal/drawers, SSL, xp look and feel, are not on a to-do
list but have been implemented,or are being implemented and will be
carefully integrated into the language with everyones input.
Great! XP look and
RCS wrote:
It makes me realize that this technology can be pulled out from underneath
us...I feel pretty rattled. What would happen if Apple buys this? Do you
think they will support Windows and Linux?
Anyone who buys it will be attracted to it primarily for its platform
independence. Given
RCS wrote:
Scott Raney wrote:
The first order of business will be to set up a mailing
list so that we can start discussions of how that group should be
organized and later, what changes to the UI everyone wants (and are
willing to contribute to!). That should help keep this list focused
Richard MacLemale wrote:
I have a lot of respect for the folks at Revolution, but I chose to remain
with MetaCard for a reason. Revolution's interface is bloated and overly
complicated. There are some nice features, to be sure, but I chose MetaCard
over Revolution for the same reason that I
Amen, brother. But as a fellow disciple of the Church of MetaCard, note
that the prophet Raney is behind this move to the promised land.
And the prophet Raney, whom some call Scott, said unto the chosen ones Go
forth into this new land and multiply and I shall provide. ;-)
Cheers
Monte
My 2 cents...
The purchase is a great idea. In all honesty (and with all the respect due to Scott and his great efforts),
MC needed this badly! I've suggested many times to Scott to include some of my improved APIs, make MC more
professional looking.
First impression of MC is that it is not
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can anyone give us a difference list?
a summary:
MetaCard Revolution
Enginesame same
Both use the same engine; languages features,
speed etc. identical for both
IDE fast but spartan;
I wish I saw good things here. I wish I could believe. If I
embrace Rev, I see losing a year's productivity, just when I finally
got where I really want to be.
Nah, don't worry. You won't lose a thing; not any time, not any
money. I routinely work on the same stack, at the same time, in both
Steady now... There's been no mention of forced upgrade. If you don't want
to don't. Upgrade when you are ready or when you need a new engine feature.
Regards
Monte
It wasn't an issue of forced upgrade now, but of when the time comes,
the upgrade would be to * something else * .
Also, I'm not
Those who are long-term Microsoft Windows users might like
to think of the jump from Metacard to Runtime Revolution in
terms of the jump from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95.
A breath of fresh air!
Although I think that now is the time for there to develop
a multiplicity of GUI front-ends on the
What in the heck does this mean?
Existing customers will get a free upgrade to Revolution with
their next subscription renewal.
So after paying for a subscription, you get a free upgrade?! I think
you guys have had a little too much champagne...
Tell me if I am wrong:
I just paid for
If this is all you worry about, you can rest easy. I'll continue to
be a part of the engine development team for the foreseeable future,
and though my control over the direction of the technology and
management will be greatly diminished, I have complete confidence in
the team at Runtime
I too have not switched yet, but I know the time for me will be
sooner than later. We can all hold hands and jump together. :)
Best regards,
Mark Talluto
Thanks, Mark. It is good to have a friend :-)
Shari C
--
--Shareware Games for the Mac--
http://www.gypsyware.com
On 7/9/03 4:05 AM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote,
Thank goodness it wasn't acquired by Micro$oft. ;)
Please... Don't even joke. Their first order of business would be to drop
Mac and Linux support and insert bugs...
From the FAQ on the press release page at
I have a different perspective from most people on this list and probably don't have a
right to a strong opinion on MC vs. RR but I figured I'd chime in anyway.
Irrepressible, you know.
I looked closely at both MC and RR when I decided to join the Revolution when it was
still in 1.1.1 release.
Hello Richmond and y'all,
I think that now is the time for there to
develop a multiplicity of GUI front-ends on
the Metacard engine so we can all feel happy
in our xTalking.
Check out the MetaCard-based FreeGUI project:
http://www.egroups.com/group/freegui
:))
Everyone is welcome to join
plot Basically, if Rev's single users educational
license is 99 per copy I can definitely have a chat
with the administration. However I have to show them
that deployable products will result. Since I've
published a couple of programs using metaCard in law
reviews I think this can be shown.
/plot
-Original Message-
From: Shari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:07
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: METACARD ACQUIRED BY RUN REV!!!
If I am understanding this, in the future, if you took the Rev
engine, but replaced the stacks (Home, Help, Metacard
Richard,
Is RR opened as MC or is it password ridden?
Just tried the RR free version and you can't even edit the home stack
script!
I seriously despise that... I have my own environment to run...
It requires to be conscious and all powerfull OVER the IDE (and OS of
course!).
Thanks for any
I think that now is the time for there to
develop a multiplicity of GUI front-ends on
the Metacard engine so we can all feel happy
in our xTalking.
From a practical standpoint, this seems like effort that could be applied to
improving the Rev GUI/environment, which would be valuable to
Remember SuperCard? Richard G. and the rest of us lived through quite a torrid time.
Aaaarggh! Pray God we run a true course with this shift in ownership!
I have every respect for Kevin dating from a long time ago, and Scott's continued input is certainly something which I welcome. As Shari and
And Scott said
http://www.tactilemedia.com/TLE/screenshot_1.jpg
http://www.tactilemedia.com/TLE/screenshot_2.jpg
http://www.tactilemedia.com/TLE/screenshot_3.jpg
So bery fruity!!! Nice job... why isn't it out?
I was working on the mctools bar concept with
nuclear menus and palettes...
Shari wrote:
...I'm not sure where Rev stands on Metacard users, as far as
licensing agreements and so forth. Perhaps there should be a mailout
to all of us who have purchased Metacard, explaining the finer points
and how they affect us.
In my Blackjack game, I knew certain questions
I believe that this could be the best thing for the xTalk world since
color hit with SuperCard.A strong marketing arm is what's needed to
create a critical mass of xTalkers.
So how do we go about making the transition?
We've got MC 2.5 now, with a full license; but how does that apply to
Rev
With the announcement yesterday, as Scott suggested the next step for the
evolution of MetaCard's IDE is to form a discussion list to focus on IDE
development. There's a lot to discuss so we should get that going soon.
I'm a big fan of Yahoo Groups, and one of the readers here suggested turning
Do I hear a suggestion out there in the Rev world?
Does this MC List get mereged into the Rev List?
Will Scott's Wise Eye watch over us chickens when we
start to PANIC?
Well, myself, I would prefer not to merge the lists. I
get two rev daily digests and I have so little time. I
get MC
We've got MC 2.5 now, with a full license; but how does that apply
to Rev 2.0? Merely downloding the latest version of Rev will still
hold developers to the ten-line limit. Right?
Do I hear a suggestion out there in the Rev world?
Does this MC List get mereged into the Rev List?
Will Scott's
On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 11:31 AM, Shari wrote:
We've got MC 2.5 now, with a full license; but how does that apply to
Rev 2.0? Merely downloding the latest version of Rev will still hold
developers to the ten-line limit. Right?
Do I hear a suggestion out there in the Rev world?
Does
From: Scott Rossi,
I actually took a stab at doing a front end for MC that started about 4
years ago. The goal was to get better layout capabilities than those
provided in the current MC IDE, and keep everything (except the script
editor and message box) in a single, small-footprint palette. I
on 07.09.03 1:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Things we need to decide:
- Is Yahoo Groups acceptable as a groupware solution for this project?
With its discussion list, file repository, calendar, and links it
gets my vote, but there may be things I'm overlooking.
- If so, is it simpler to
Recently, Ray G. Miller wrote:
http://www.tactilemedia.com/TLE/screenshot_1.jpg
http://www.tactilemedia.com/TLE/screenshot_2.jpg
http://www.tactilemedia.com/TLE/screenshot_3.jpg;
LOL!
That was the first thing I did when I switched from HC! After futzing
with Dan Gelder's Serf, I felt
Recently, MisterX wrote:
So bery fruity!!! Nice job... why isn't it out?
It's incomplete! I'd guess it's about 60% there (all the layout functions
seem to be working pretty well).
I was working on the mctools bar concept with
nuclear menus and palettes...
Tereza Snyder wrote:
on 07.09.03 1:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Things we need to decide:
- Is Yahoo Groups acceptable as a groupware solution for this project?
With its discussion list, file repository, calendar, and links it
gets my vote, but there may be things I'm overlooking.
-
On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 01:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Tereza Snyder wrote:
on 07.09.03 1:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Things we need to decide:
- Is Yahoo Groups acceptable as a groupware solution for this
project?
With its discussion list, file repository, calendar, and links it
Shari wrote:
Gosh, think of those of us whose license ran out. At least you can
*try* Rev for free, and make sure it really does run your projects
just as MC does. I would have pay just to find out. Not a happy
prospect.
At least with MC, if I did a paid upgrade, I would know that I was
Mark Talluto wrote:
I am just curious to know how many people are planning on staying with
MC and being active in maintaining its IDE?
That's a good question. I'm well invested in a nice workflow with nifty
quick tools I've added, so I'm inclined to keep that workflow in place for
the
Recently, Mark Talluto wrote:
I am just curious to know how many people are planning on staying with
MC and being active in maintaining its IDE?
I can't say how long we'll stay with the MC IDE (can anyone really?), but I
can say we're willing to contribute to its development now.
Regards,
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:
I would be happy to contribute to the maintenance of the IDE going forward,
and would like to see simpler extensibility as a first step (after we get a
list set up to make it happen, of course).
Great suggestion!
I think Richard won't mind me mentioning the
On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 20:31, Shari wrote:
We've got MC 2.5 now, with a full license; but how does that apply
to Rev 2.0? Merely downloding the latest version of Rev will still
hold developers to the ten-line limit. Right?
Do I hear a suggestion out there in the Rev world?
Does this MC
On 7/9/03 3:34 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:
I am just curious to know how many people are planning on staying with
MC and being active in maintaining its IDE?
Don't know what the future may bring, but I'd like to remain involved
with the MC IDE regardless.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay |
Hi MetaCarders,
Recently, Mark Talluto wrote:
I am just curious to know how many people are planning on staying with
MC and being active in maintaining its IDE?
I can't say how long we'll stay with the MC IDE (can anyone really?),
but I
can say we're willing to contribute to its development
On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 22:34, Mark Talluto wrote:
On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 01:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Tereza Snyder wrote:
on 07.09.03 1:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Things we need to decide:
- Is Yahoo Groups acceptable as a groupware solution for this
project?
Hi Shari,
Kinda reminds me of Apple/Windows. Apple had the better product, but
Billy was the marketing genius, and so snatched up the majority of
marketshare.
As someone who tried awfully hard to get Macs into Fortune 500 companies (I
carried a Mac Plus into TI and Compaq each day), it
Why not download the free running version that lasts for 30 days and
see how it goes?
Best regards,
Mark Talluto
That wouldn't tell me if it would successfully run the programs I *
just * released.
Shari C
--
--Shareware Games for the Mac--
http://www.gypsyware.com
Did anyone ever find a solution for determining if a CD is loaded on
all platforms?
(Specifically all WINDOWS platforms )
I've been thru the archives and Ken Ray's tips, but it looked like
you had to download a zip file and install a program, which wouldn't
work for a program being
As I was growing a company in the mid 90's, based completely on Apple
products, we got bit by the single source issue and I found out the hard
way-- Apple couldn't deliver new Powerbooks for close to a year. I switched
the whole company to Windowshad to, a Board decision. Been there ever
I've been listening to this very interesting conversation. After thinking a
bit, I've decided this is a good thing...I've chronicled my journey with
Xtalk in order to prove a point. Sorry so long...
First my concerns...
When Charlie Jackson sold Silicon Beach (and SuperCard) to Aldus, I remember
MCers,
I vote keep this a general discussion list, until the MC-to-Rev
transition has been accomplished.
Create a new MC/Rev open source list. Those of us who are not that
familiar with Rev (do REVers refer to it as Rev or RR?) will become
better suited to the new environment...
The Rev team
(WARNING: This is a bit of a long rant and is probably of marginal interest unless you
are a programming language junkie or just interested in the history of our business.
You've been warned.)
Chipp Walters wrote:
But, the question is, will RR sellout? Meaning, what if Oracle or Adobe or
On 7/9/03 5:23 PM, Shari wrote:
Why not download the free running version that lasts for 30 days and
see how it goes?
That wouldn't tell me if it would successfully run the programs I * just
* released.
Why not? Why wouldn't it?
I think you should just try it. Download the latest free
It wasn't so much the IDE for me (but I know from personal experience that
the 'Rev' interface on top of the MC engine can be quite distressing), it
was more the licensing.
Does anyone know what I mean? Please compare the two...
I would vote to stay with the current licensing and IDE.
JR
I
I am not sure what all of this 'hype' is about. The MetaCard 'front end'
source has always been available to every licensed user...which is how
RunRev developed their interface. Let's not make this something 'magical',
please. Revolution is an interface on top of the MC IDE...a lot of work went
I am not sure what all of this 'hype' is about. The MetaCard 'front end'
source has always been available to every licensed user...which is how
RunRev developed their interface. Let's not make this something 'magical',
please. Revolution is an interface on top of the MC IDE...a lot
of work
Dan Shaefer wrote:
...OracleCard, which is what Oracle turned PLUS into, was a
fantastic, dynamite product. But its price tag was necessarily low, profit
margins modest, and demand for it anemic. Eventually, Oracle cut it
loose
Is this the same product that was known as Oracle Media
Is there any way to access a time period/measurement smaller than
milliseconds in either MetaCard or Rev?
Nelson Zink
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Hello,
It remains to be seen if RR will remove the
restriction allowing Rev to be used to develop
other IDEs.
Reminder : FreeGUI has long ago been granted immunity
from this clause, by the man himself, e.g. Kevin. You
can use RR (or MC) to contribute to the development of
FreeGUI.
Just so
On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 08:30 PM, Nelson Zink wrote:
Is there any way to access a time period/measurement smaller than
milliseconds in either MetaCard or Rev?
the long seconds
I get microsecond resolution on OS X on my blue white and on my MDD
Macs. It may be different on other OS's.
Dan Shaefer wrote: ...OracleCard, which is what Oracle turned PLUS into, was a
fantastic, dynamite product. But its price tag was necessarily low, profit margins
modest, and demand for it anemic. Eventually, Oracle cut it loose Is this the
same product that was known as Oracle Media
Howdy Lists:
For better or for worse, it is human nature to destroy things... Thus we
have a new demo stack available via our stack viewer which provides a couple
of examples of explosion animation: explode a line of image text or shatter
a box into little images. Based on our previously
Hi Dan!
1) Companies aren't in the mad acquistion mode in this economy -- and I
doubt this will turn around very soon;
That's not how I read things right now, Chipp. Oracle is
certainly in acquisition mode. Always is. They're trying a
hostile takeover of PeopleSoft as we speak. There
On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 03:23 PM, Shari wrote:
Why not download the free running version that lasts for 30 days and
see how it goes?
Best regards,
Mark Talluto
That wouldn't tell me if it would successfully run the programs I *
just * released.
Shari C
I am not sure I follow. You
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