Building standalones AARRGGH
I just spent three hours trying to build a standalone. I want to make sure I understand what is going on. It cannot be done in Rev or MC 4.0 at all because of some new internal hoohah Rev put into the engine? Rev spit out an error without telling me what caused it, just a bunch of mish mash number sets that looked like RGB color codes. MC said the engine wasn't a valid Metacard engine. I tried so many things I don't remember exactly but as best I could tell, I couldn't even use MC 4.0 with the 3.5 engine. I had to launch MC 3.5 and build with the 3.5 engine. Tired and frustrated and taking a break before I test the build. I had wanted to use a more recent version so that the build would be loving the newest operating systems. I've been doing things in 4.0 but apparently this is the first time I've tried to create a standalone in this version. Utterly miserable at the moment. -- Bad Dog to Best Friend Book http://books.gityasome.com Critters, humor, patriots and sports t-shirts http://www.villagetshirts.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones AARRGGH
On 09/01/2010 10:20 PM, Shari wrote: I just spent three hours trying to build a standalone. I want to make sure I understand what is going on. It cannot be done in Rev or MC 4.0 at all because of some new internal hoohah Rev put into the engine? Rev spit out an error without telling me what caused it, just a bunch of mish mash number sets that looked like RGB color codes. MC said the engine wasn't a valid Metacard engine. I tried so many things I don't remember exactly but as best I could tell, I couldn't even use MC 4.0 with the 3.5 engine. I had to launch MC 3.5 and build with the 3.5 engine. Tired and frustrated and taking a break before I test the build. I had wanted to use a more recent version so that the build would be loving the newest operating systems. I've been doing things in 4.0 but apparently this is the first time I've tried to create a standalone in this version. Utterly miserable at the moment. Umm . . . poor you . . . Well here are a few fairly daft thoughts, but, you never know: 1. What is wrong with building a standalone with the 3.5 engine? Unless you are doing something fancy with the 4.0 graphic capabilities this really shouldn't be here or there. 2. Try and build a MC 4.0 via Jacque Landman Gay's automated setup via RunRev 4 and (new) RevOnline; and then try building with that: probably a better bet than an earlier version of MC with a swapped engine from RunRev 4.0. 3. new internal hoohah; I wonder if you might not be using some sort of coding that was changed between 3.5 and 4? Of course it will be another hoohah searching through the documentation to find all the stuff that has or hasn't been changed between 3.5 and 4.0. 4. I had wanted to use a more recent version so that the build would be loving the newest operating systems. I wouldn't bet on that one. As far as I can tell 3.5 standalones should be OK on Windows XP, V and 7, Mac 10.3.9 onwards and recent Linux distros. Love, Richmond. ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones AARRGGH
On 09/01/2010 10:20 PM, Shari wrote: I just spent three hours trying to build a standalone. I want to make sure I understand what is going on. It cannot be done in Rev or MC 4.0 at all because of some new internal hoohah Rev put into the engine? Rev spit out an error without telling me what caused it, just a bunch of mish mash number sets that looked like RGB color codes. MC said the engine wasn't a valid Metacard engine. I tried so many things I don't remember exactly but as best I could tell, I couldn't even use MC 4.0 with the 3.5 engine. I had to launch MC 3.5 and build with the 3.5 engine. Tired and frustrated and taking a break before I test the build. I had wanted to use a more recent version so that the build would be loving the newest operating systems. I've been doing things in 4.0 but apparently this is the first time I've tried to create a standalone in this version. Utterly miserable at the moment. Possibly the quickest way to get some reasonable sort of reply to your question is to post to the RunRev Use-List rather than the Metacard one. ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones AARRGGH
On 9/1/10 2:20 PM, Shari wrote: I just spent three hours trying to build a standalone. I want to make sure I understand what is going on. It cannot be done in Rev or MC 4.0 at all because of some new internal hoohah Rev put into the engine? Rev spit out an error without telling me what caused it, just a bunch of mish mash number sets that looked like RGB color codes. Those are uninterpreted error codes, which the IDE usually looks up for you but the standalone builder does not. If you have the Rev browser plugin installed you can look them up here: http://jacque.on-rev.com/codebits/dualrevlets.irev Just look up the first number in the first line, that's usually the important one. If you don't have the plugin, you can get the list from Rev itself: get the cErrorsList of card 1 of stack revErrorDisplay -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones AARRGGH
Possibly the quickest way to get some reasonable sort of reply to your question is to post to the RunRev Use-List rather than the Metacard one. Richmond, I only attempted a build in Rev after the MC attempt gave an error. I do everything in MC so I came here first hoping for an MC fix. The 3.5 build worked. Hopefully you are right and it plays nice with all the most recent operating systems. I will try your suggestion for building MC 4.0 with Jacque's setup. My code hasn't changed significantly. The only thing I changed with this release was to add/delete a couple of menu items that go to websites. Deleted websites I no longer own and added my new ones and added a very simple button that also goes to a website. I guess it's been awhile since I released a new version. It seemed like all I was doing was updating one game over and over and I felt like I was spinning my wheels too much on one thing. So I started working on a different game that won't come out for a long while plus writing the book. (see my sig line for the book :-) Shari -- Bad Dog to Best Friend paperback and Kindle book http://books.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones AARRGGH
Jacques, Thank you for the URL. From some of what I was reading about the whole 4.0+ change, I got the impression that there may come a time when we cannot build standalones in Metacard. So it would be good to know how to do it in Rev. I've never successfully done it in Rev as Rev doesn't like my stacks and never has. Shari -- Bad Dog to Best Friend paperback and Kindle book http://books.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Jacque's auto setup
None of it wants to play nice with me today! Got an error attempting to set up Metacard 4.0 using Jacque's Metacard setup 102 on my Mac. Error in function handler Can't find handler Line 199 Col 7 Proc Token: revPathToApplescript Maybe I was supposed to use the stack in Rev and not MC? Will try that... thinking that if the handler starts with rev maybe it's a built in Rev thing. -- Bad Dog to Best Friend Dog Training Book http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1453683178 WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Two more tries and it worked!
Took me a minute but apparently the setup stack needed to be launched in Rev to find that handler, as I suspected. The 4.0 Metacard build took but more importantly, it was able to create a standalone. We're back in business! Hoo hah! -- Bad Dog to Best Friend paperback and Kindle book http://books.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones AARRGGH
On 9/1/10 5:08 PM, Shari wrote: Jacques, Thank you for the URL. From some of what I was reading about the whole 4.0+ change, I got the impression that there may come a time when we cannot build standalones in Metacard. So it would be good to know how to do it in Rev. I've never successfully done it in Rev as Rev doesn't like my stacks and never has. So far you're the only one I know of who can't make it work. We don't even get any complaints in the support queue. So there is something about your stacks that's different than the norm. Two things to try. First, tell us what those error codes are and I'll look them up. That should give a clue. Second, if you are including MC resources in your stack, Rev may not like it. Make a copy of one that won't build and, as a test, open it in MC and use the resource mover to remove all MC resources. Save the stack. If the file extension is mc on disk then change it to rev (shouldn't be necessary any more but that used to be a problem.) Open the test stack in Rev, use Standalone Settings to choose some options and platforms, and try a build. If that works, your other attempts were probably getting hung up on the issue where you can't have two stacks with the same name (ask/answer dialogs, most likely.) If that's the problem then the error codes should tell us. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Jacque's auto setup
On 9/1/10 5:44 PM, Shari wrote: None of it wants to play nice with me today! Got an error attempting to set up Metacard 4.0 using Jacque's Metacard setup 102 on my Mac. Error in function handler Can't find handler Line 199 Col 7 Proc Token: revPathToApplescript Maybe I was supposed to use the stack in Rev and not MC? Will try that... thinking that if the handler starts with rev maybe it's a built in Rev thing. It is, but the scripts are supposed to handle that. The latest version is 1.03 which should work from MC, so try re-downloading it. You can find it on RevOnline. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Two more tries and it worked!
On 9/1/10 5:56 PM, Shari wrote: Took me a minute but apparently the setup stack needed to be launched in Rev to find that handler, as I suspected. The 4.0 Metacard build took but more importantly, it was able to create a standalone. We're back in business! Hoo hah! Good to hear. But I'd still like to know what the error codes were if you get a chance, just so I know what was going on. Also, update your copy of MC Setup. ;) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones AARRGGH
Second, if you are including MC resources in your stack, Rev may not like it. Make a copy of one that won't build and, as a test, open it in MC and use the resource mover to remove all MC resources. Save the stack. If the file extension is mc on disk then change it to rev (shouldn't be necessary any more but that used to be a problem.) Open the test stack in Rev, use Standalone Settings to choose some options and platforms, and try a build. If that works, your other attempts were probably getting hung up on the issue where you can't have two stacks with the same name (ask/answer dialogs, most likely.) If that's the problem then the error codes should tell us. Yes, that's what tripped me up in the past. My stacks have the Ask/Answer already in them but they've been edited. I actually have them named xAsk, xAnswer and xExecution Error and rename them on standalone launch. Newer projects were done differently and don't even use Ask/Answer anymore because of the Rev issue but I really didn't want to go back and redo older projects. They already have a lengthy update to-do list :-) In looking thru the substacks I also see File Selector, Moved Icons, libUrl and Cursors, none of which I've edited so they could be removed and put back in on build. I remember it mentioning something being already loaded prior to the error window. I think it was File Selector. Let me try removing it (them) and retesting the Rev builder... -- Bad Dog to Best Friend Dog Training Book http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1453683178 Critters, humor, patriots and sports t-shirts http://www.villagetshirts.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones AARRGGH
Two things to try. First, tell us what those error codes are and I'll look them up. That should give a clue. Tried removing all the stacks except xWhatever and I couldn't even launch my stack since it looks for libUrl on launch. So took out just the one I remembered it mentioning and tried but no go. Betting this is a stack already loaded error: 91,783,42 -- Bad Dog to Best Friend Dog Training Book http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1453683178 Critters, humor, patriots and sports t-shirts http://www.villagetshirts.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Jacque's auto setup
It is, but the scripts are supposed to handle that. The latest version is 1.03 which should work from MC, so try re-downloading it. You can find it on RevOnline. I got it from the Yahoo groups Metacard list. Will go to the other... -- Bad Dog to Best Friend Dog Training Book http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1453683178 Critters, humor, patriots and sports t-shirts http://www.villagetshirts.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
MC IDE engine 4 and password protection
Hi, BTW in password protected stacks, toggling of Password / Passcode button in Properties stack is broken in MC IDE under engine 4. As we know in engine 4 the password protection was changed 1. can't use copy in password protected stack 2. put the password -- in pre vs 4 engine returns encrypted password and in vs 4 + will return true (if stack is password protected) For this or another reason, in latest MC IDE with engine vs 4 or greater, if you have password protected stack, choose stack properties under Edit menu and click on properties tab... instead of Passcode label, you will see Password label and clicking on that button will ask for password and even if you type valid password it will throw error with Password protected. Bottom line, button will not toggle to Passcode label if stack is password protected and it's probably easy to fix. I'm just curious, may be somebody already did that in their MC IDE and can tip on what is exact fix. best regards Tariel ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones AARRGGH
On 9/1/10 6:23 PM, Shari wrote: Two things to try. First, tell us what those error codes are and I'll look them up. That should give a clue. Tried removing all the stacks except xWhatever and I couldn't even launch my stack since it looks for libUrl on launch. So took out just the one I remembered it mentioning and tried but no go. Betting this is a stack already loaded error: 91,783,42 Can't find stack. If you're putting libURL in use, then try taking that out. You can make the same calls without loading the library because Rev loads it for you, in both the IDE and standalones. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Jacque's auto setup
On 9/1/10 6:27 PM, Shari wrote: It is, but the scripts are supposed to handle that. The latest version is 1.03 which should work from MC, so try re-downloading it. You can find it on RevOnline. I got it from the Yahoo groups Metacard list. Will go to the other... Oops. I'll try to remember to fix that. Thanks for the heads-up. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC IDE engine 4 and password protection
I've noticed that to access a password protected stack, I have to type it in the message box: set the passkey of stack somestack to thepassword That unlocks it. The button doesn't work for me anymore, either. -- Bad Dog to Best Friend Dog Training Book http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1453683178 Critters, humor, patriots and sports t-shirts http://www.villagetshirts.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
