Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent?
I am trying to stay away from anything 'interpreted. Unless I am misunderstanding how MetaCard/RunRev works, I believe scripts are converted to something 'native' when you close the script for that object...using the 'do' command requires that your script be interpreted 'on the fly'. This can make things very slow. I know I read this somewhere in the docs or an email...something like using the 'do' command can slow your script execution down by a factor of 10. I was also in correspondence with Scott Raney about some script debugging, and he mentioned that a feature I wanted was not possible because the saved scripts are in a form similar to C++ or Java...leading me to believe that they are in some kind of 'bytecode' form. Having a 'built-in' handler simply pass the event (with related data) to my object would have allowed me to, in turn, pass that on to my 'Main' handler using a very small script...making it possible to use the 'set script' command in a stand-alone to update my objects to a 'native' script form (rather than using your proposed method). Am I making any sense? ;-) JR Hummm .. Seems easy enough to me. Integrate one or more do statement[s] in your generic handler. The script that gets 'done' can be located elsewhere, e.g. in a field, in a file, from a URL... ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent?
What is the benefit of parsing an event rather than handling them directly? I need to be able to update a stack/card script in a standalone, and I cannot because of the limit imposed. The stack script contains (mostly) typical handlers (i.e. openStack, resumeStack, etc.) for handling messages that are sent to the stack. If I had a 'single' handler in the script that could handle 'all' stack messages, I 'might' be able to update the script because the size of the script would be greatly reduced. I really wish RunRev would allow 'some' things in a stand-alone for licensed users, or a special license for increasing the script limit 'just a litlle'. You could, for example, have a frontScript Since I already have a few 'idle' handlers running, I really did not want to add another...especially one that parses 'everything'! Things are a little sluggish as it is... That's an invalid address, requiring hand-editing. Odd. Who's the list mom for this list? I am starting to feel like an 'abandoned child' on this list (or at least the uncle that everyone is ashamed to talk about)...also, (maybe it is just me though) any message I post to the 'RunRev' list does not go through. I can take a hint ;-) JR - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: metacard Digest, Vol 4, Issue 18 Send metacard mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of metacard digest... This is the Metacard mailing list. Today's Topics: 1. Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent? (RCS) 2. Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent? (Richard Gaskin) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:53:47 -0800 From: RCS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 on hWindowEvent theEvent, theData SWITCH theEvent CASE openStack -- do this break CASE mouseDown if theData = 3 then -- right-click else -- do that end if break DEFAULT -- do the other break end SWICH end hWindowEvent I really don't want an 'idle' handler (or 'send to' handler) parsing everything that is happening in my environment...I thought there might be something 'native' that was not mentioned in the docs. Thanks, JR - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: metacard Digest, Vol 4, Issue 17 To craft a solution that better meets your needs, can you tell us a bit more about the specifics of what you're looking to do, maybe with an example of how you'd like to use it? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:21:42 -0800 From: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent? To: MetaCard List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII RCS wrote: To craft a solution that better meets your needs, can you tell us a bit more about the specifics of what you're looking to do, maybe with an example of how you'd like to use it? on hWindowEvent theEvent, theData SWITCH theEvent CASE openStack -- do this break CASE mouseDown if theData = 3 then -- right-click else -- do that end if break DEFAULT -- do the other break end SWICH end hWindowEvent I really don't want an 'idle' handler (or 'send to' handler) parsing everything that is happening in my environment...I thought there might be something 'native' that was not mentioned in the docs. What is the benefit of parsing an event rather than handling them directly? You could, for example, have a frontScript with: on openStack -- do this pass openStack end openStack on mouseUp -- do this pass mouseUp end mouseUp ...etc. PS: What's gone wrong with the MC list server to cause the reply-to address for RCS' messages to be: RCS , Discussions on Metacard [EMAIL PROTECTED]@lists.runrev.com That's an invalid address, requiring hand-editing. Odd. Who's the list mom for this list? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com -- ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http
Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent?
What is the benefit of parsing an event rather than handling them directly? I need to be able to update a stack/card script in a standalone, and I cannot because of the limit imposed. The stack script contains (mostly) typical handlers (i.e. openStack, resumeStack, etc.) for handling messages that are sent to the stack. If I had a 'single' handler in the script that could handle 'all' stack messages, I 'might' be able to update the script because the size of the script would be greatly reduced. I really wish RunRev would allow 'some' things in a stand-alone for licensed users, or a special license for increasing the script limit 'just a litlle'. Yah, tough problem. I have been trying to find a way to increase those limits but no luck so far. Last year, Kevin posted to this list that they may consider some special licencing, but there was no follow up. I guess they can't justify making their operation more complicated on account of a few users. On the other hand, I am not clear how having a single event will help you with the limits. If you can break down the scripts into functional chunks, then you can stuff them into a series of buttons or fields (hidden) and call them as needed. If you are after updating standalone-controlled stacks, it may be easier to make another standalone that opens the stack and modifies it. The standalone self can't be modified. Robert Brenstein ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent?
RCS wrote: What is the benefit of parsing an event rather than handling them directly? I need to be able to update a stack/card script in a standalone, and I cannot because of the limit imposed. Actually, you can't because of OS restrictions in Win and UNIX which prevent a running EXE from being modified. (The Mac version of Rev follows suit for consistency). The stack script contains (mostly) typical handlers (i.e. openStack, resumeStack, etc.) for handling messages that are sent to the stack. If I had a 'single' handler in the script that could handle 'all' stack messages, I 'might' be able to update the script because the size of the script would be greatly reduced. I really wish RunRev would allow 'some' things in a stand-alone for licensed users, or a special license for increasing the script limit 'just a litlle'. Write them. In a discussion on this subject last summer they noted that they can be quite flexible in crafting licenses for special cases. But considering that even a special license will not allow a standalone to write to itself, why not simply include a Components folder with your app and put stack files in there? You could load those with start using to have them act as libraries. See http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html for more info on using libraries. Alternatively you could move everything out of your stack except for the splash screen into a Components folder for easy updating. You could, for example, have a frontScript Since I already have a few 'idle' handlers running, I really did not want to add another...especially one that parses 'everything'! Things are a little sluggish as it is... Idle should not be related to other events -- how are you using it? Use idle with caution: it's a CPU hog, with timers providing wha you need in most cases but much more efficiently. That's an invalid address, requiring hand-editing. Odd. Who's the list mom for this list? I am starting to feel like an 'abandoned child' on this list (or at least the uncle that everyone is ashamed to talk about)...also, (maybe it is just me though) any message I post to the 'RunRev' list does not go through. I can take a hint ;-) I don't think it's you, I think it's something with the list configuration. This oddness seemed to start when the Rev mail server was updated. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent?
Hello, I need to be able to update a stack/card script in a standalone, and I cannot because of the limit imposed ... Hummm .. Seems easy enough to me. Integrate one or more do statement[s] in your generic handler. The script that gets 'done' can be located elsewhere, e.g. in a field, in a file, from a URL... If I had a 'single' handler in the script that could handle 'all' stack messages, I 'might' be able to update the script. That's much tougher, e.g. to NOT include the *handlers* in the script at all. My approach requires that these handlers be in the script but, because they merely do code that is external to the script, the script never needs to be changed. You update the field, file or URL instead to change what will be 'done'. Hope this helps, Alain F __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent?
on hWindowEvent theEvent, theData SWITCH theEvent CASE openStack -- do this break CASE mouseDown if theData = 3 then -- right-click else -- do that end if break DEFAULT -- do the other break end SWICH end hWindowEvent I really don't want an 'idle' handler (or 'send to' handler) parsing everything that is happening in my environment...I thought there might be something 'native' that was not mentioned in the docs. Thanks, JR - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: metacard Digest, Vol 4, Issue 17 To craft a solution that better meets your needs, can you tell us a bit more about the specifics of what you're looking to do, maybe with an example of how you'd like to use it? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent?
RCS wrote: To craft a solution that better meets your needs, can you tell us a bit more about the specifics of what you're looking to do, maybe with an example of how you'd like to use it? on hWindowEvent theEvent, theData SWITCH theEvent CASE openStack -- do this break CASE mouseDown if theData = 3 then -- right-click else -- do that end if break DEFAULT -- do the other break end SWICH end hWindowEvent I really don't want an 'idle' handler (or 'send to' handler) parsing everything that is happening in my environment...I thought there might be something 'native' that was not mentioned in the docs. What is the benefit of parsing an event rather than handling them directly? You could, for example, have a frontScript with: on openStack -- do this pass openStack end openStack on mouseUp -- do this pass mouseUp end mouseUp ...etc. PS: What's gone wrong with the MC list server to cause the reply-to address for RCS' messages to be: RCS , Discussions on Metacard [EMAIL PROTECTED]@lists.runrev.com That's an invalid address, requiring hand-editing. Odd. Who's the list mom for this list? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent? (John Rule)
Not 'quite' what I was looking for, but it could be used to get the same result. I am not sure what the overhead cost would be though...I was hoping for something 'native'. Thanks for the response... JR Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:27:59 -0800 (PST) From: Alejandro Tejada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii on Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:39:21 -0800 RCS wrote: Is there a master 'Event' that we can use to tell what handler is being called (similar to the 'AppleEvent')? Rather than trapping 20 (or more) handlers in my window for events passed to it, I would like to 'discern' from a generic handler what message is being sent...and any data that was involved. Richard Gaskin has an utility named 4W_UmbrellaMan that does exactly what you want: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/channel/4W_UmbrellaMan.mc al ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent? (John Rule)
RCS wrote: on Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:39:21 -0800 RCS wrote: Is there a master 'Event' that we can use to tell what handler is being called (similar to the 'AppleEvent')? Rather than trapping 20 (or more) handlers in my window for events passed to it, I would like to 'discern' from a generic handler what message is being sent...and any data that was involved. Richard Gaskin has an utility named 4W_UmbrellaMan that does exactly what you want: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/channel/4W_UmbrellaMan.mc Not 'quite' what I was looking for, but it could be used to get the same result. I am not sure what the overhead cost would be though...I was hoping for something 'native'. To craft a solution that better meets your needs, can you tell us a bit more about the specifics of what you're looking to do, maybe with an example of how you'd like to use it? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent?
on Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:39:21 -0800 RCS wrote: Is there a master 'Event' that we can use to tell what handler is being called (similar to the 'AppleEvent')? Rather than trapping 20 (or more) handlers in my window for events passed to it, I would like to 'discern' from a generic handler what message is being sent...and any data that was involved. Richard Gaskin has an utility named 4W_UmbrellaMan that does exactly what you want: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/channel/4W_UmbrellaMan.mc al = Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ Search the mail list: http://mindlube.com/cgi-bin/search-use-rev.cgi __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
