Re: Thank you Metacard 2.4.3!
Shari wrote: I decided to go back and look at something I had created in Hypercard many moons ago, with the thought of beefing it up and re-releasing it. Right now it is defunct, working only on very old computers. Knowing that Metacard should open Hypercard files, I launched MC 2.9, and it failed. Not only wouldn't it open the Hypercard stack, but it actually quit on me. So I went back to MC 2.8.1. Same thing. Tried 2.7.4. Ditto. Tried MC 2.4.3 (the last version I had before Rev took over MC) and wowie zowie, it opened the stack! That's verty disturbing, since ostensibly nothing in the HC conversion code has changed in versions since 2.4.3. I would encourage you to send your stack and your test results to RunRev for evaluation. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Thank you Metacard 2.4.3!
Robert Brenstein wrote: On 19/05/08 at 08:36 -0700 Richard Gaskin apparently wrote: That's verty disturbing, since ostensibly nothing in the HC conversion code has changed in versions since 2.4.3. I would encourage you to send your stack and your test results to RunRev for evaluation. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Hasn't RunRev removed the option to convert HC stack some time ago? No, it's still there in Studio and Enterprise. They did remove it from Media, since that's an entry-level edition with a few features turned off. I'm not sure why Shari couldn't get results in later versions of the engine. I routinely convert HC stacks all the time and have never had a problem, with the exception of one single release of -- I think it was -- 2.7 where Mark forgot to enable the HC conversion feature. It was turned on again in the next point release. Mark has specifically told me that he hasn't touched the HC conversion code at all. It remains exactly as Scott Raney wrote it and he has never changed it. So I suspect something else is going on with these particular stacks. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Thank you Metacard 2.4.3!
I have Enterprise. All my versions have been Enterprise including the original Metacard prior to Revolution. I tried a test of MC 2.9 to see if it would open other old Hypercard stacks I had. I did succeed with one, but others failed. I don't know what differentiates the stacks. I know that back then I used some externals in the resource forks. But I think all my old stacks would have had that. No, it's still there in Studio and Enterprise. They did remove it from Media, since that's an entry-level edition with a few features turned off. I'm not sure why Shari couldn't get results in later versions of the engine. I routinely convert HC stacks all the time and have never had a problem, with the exception of one single release of -- I think it was -- 2.7 where Mark forgot to enable the HC conversion feature. It was turned on again in the next point release. Mark has specifically told me that he hasn't touched the HC conversion code at all. It remains exactly as Scott Raney wrote it and he has never changed it. So I suspect something else is going on with these particular stacks. -- Humorous sports t-shirts http://www.villagetshirts.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware games http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Thank you Metacard 2.4.3!
Shari wrote: I have Enterprise. All my versions have been Enterprise including the original Metacard prior to Revolution. I tried a test of MC 2.9 to see if it would open other old Hypercard stacks I had. I did succeed with one, but others failed. I don't know what differentiates the stacks. I know that back then I used some externals in the resource forks. But I think all my old stacks would have had that. I don't think externals would matter, since those are completely ignored and are never brought into Rev/MC. When you say the import doesn't work, what exactly happens? Do you get an error message? Or could the stack just be invisible? I'd be happy to try one if you want to send me a copy of a stack that fails. I've never had one that wouldn't come over. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Thank you Metacard 2.4.3!
I don't think externals would matter, since those are completely ignored and are never brought into Rev/MC. When you say the import doesn't work, what exactly happens? Do you get an error message? Or could the stack just be invisible? I'd be happy to try one if you want to send me a copy of a stack that fails. I've never had one that wouldn't come over. Okay, Jacques, I will email it to you? Will you have difficulty receiving an attachment? Or should I upload it somewhere for you to download? The stack is not seen as a stack file, so I choose the All Files option. I get no scripting error message from Metacard. It simply quits, and I get the Unexpectedly Quit error. Shari -- Humorous sports t-shirts http://www.villagetshirts.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware games http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Thank you Metacard 2.4.3!
Shari wrote: I don't think externals would matter, since those are completely ignored and are never brought into Rev/MC. When you say the import doesn't work, what exactly happens? Do you get an error message? Or could the stack just be invisible? I'd be happy to try one if you want to send me a copy of a stack that fails. I've never had one that wouldn't come over. Okay, Jacques, I will email it to you? Will you have difficulty receiving an attachment? Or should I upload it somewhere for you to download? The stack is not seen as a stack file, so I choose the All Files option. I get no scripting error message from Metacard. It simply quits, and I get the Unexpectedly Quit error. Interesting. I'll take a look. Email is fine if the stack is under 1-2 megs or so; anything larger tends to clog up my inbox. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Thank you Metacard 2.4.3!
Jacques, I just sent it to you. As I said, I did finally get into it with my trusty old MC 2.4.3 so I am able to access it. Once 2.4.3 opened it I could save it in a format that the newer versions would handle. Just a bit of a puzzle why I had to go back that far to get in, when everybody is saying that the code hasn't ever changed. Somewhere something must have. Shari Interesting. I'll take a look. Email is fine if the stack is under 1-2 megs or so; anything larger tends to clog up my inbox. -- Humorous sports t-shirts http://www.villagetshirts.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware games http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Thank you Metacard 2.4.3!
Shari wrote: Jacques, I just sent it to you. As I said, I did finally get into it with my trusty old MC 2.4.3 so I am able to access it. Once 2.4.3 opened it I could save it in a format that the newer versions would handle. Just a bit of a puzzle why I had to go back that far to get in, when everybody is saying that the code hasn't ever changed. Somewhere something must have. It opens if I remove all the snd resources. While the HC import itself hasn't changed, audio playback has. I'm guessing some of the snd resources are pretty old and are crashing the newer engine. A sudden quit like that usually means there's a bad resource somewhere. I'd be curious to know if all the sounds play all right in Rev 2.9 after you got the stack to open with MC 2.4.3. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Thank you Metacard 2.4.3!
It opens if I remove all the snd resources. While the HC import itself hasn't changed, audio playback has. I'm guessing some of the snd resources are pretty old and are crashing the newer engine. A sudden quit like that usually means there's a bad resource somewhere. I'd be curious to know if all the sounds play all right in Rev 2.9 after you got the stack to open with MC 2.4.3. I wouldn't leave them in the resource fork. I don't do single platform stacks since leaving Hypercard. I create one stack for all platforms, so I make sure they make all the kitties happy :-) Funny thing, when I first switched away from Hypercard eons ago I hated leaving behind the resource fork. Now I cannot imagine still using it. I love Metacard's way of embedding sounds, graphics, and other stacks. Shari -- Humorous sports t-shirts http://www.villagetshirts.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware games http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
