and, ultimately, a large collection
of existing stacks to demonstrate the versatility and
usefulness of an xCard would be nice too ( IOW a
MetaCard Pantechnicon ).
Just so you know where my 'head' is at,
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There is no breakthru in using Metacard
for your project just a more efficient
spending of time and energy
but I know what you mean.
It's not a breakthru for you or for me, given that
we have been using one or more xCards for years now.
It is a breakthru though, when compared to what
When I try to delete a card via a bg script, I am
given an Error message (...). the error message:
Object: stack locked, or object's script is
executing Chunk: can't delete object
Is there a rationale behind this?
Put the delete handler higher up in the hierarchy,
e.g. in the bg-script or in
and JavaScript.
Do you mean you will distribute MC
stacks and the user won't go through a browser?
You certainly can.
Let's conquer the Web with MetaCard,
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to show their colours and
take their right-honorable-place on the podium of
excellence, and consequently somewhat displacing the
lowest-common-denominator that we have grown used to
since 1995, but all for the better!
Persuaded yet? ;-)
Alain Farmer
xCard fanatic
PS: I should probably mention
*. :-)
I can't believe how much time I have blown on this
post. I have to get back to work now. If I am boring
you all, then please tell me eh! ;-)
Editorially yours,
Alain Farmer
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not necessarily a matter of
completely replacing HTML with an xCard. And no hard
choices to make, either, because you can have BOTH at
the same time. :))
I am really enjoying this thread,
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have already
got (evolution). OTOH, we want terrain-tested
stability and reliability that won't break existing
works (backward compatibility). Reality, so to speak,
is somewhere in between these two extremes. Don't get
me wrong, however: you're making a very good point.
Regards,
Alain Farmer
What's the syntax for determining
the members of a group?
members of group x
objects of group x
elements of group x
buttons/fields/players etc of group x
Don't pull out your hair, Rodney. ;-)
I think the work you are looking for is PARTS.
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Is it possible to share information betweeen
Metacard flds and other databases such as
filemaker aside from using third
party products such as Quickkeys?
Yes.
Try tab-delimited text files. They are universal.
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Goulding,
and myself, albeit I didn't contribute *directly* to
the development of this particular Jabber-client
stack.
Just a thought,
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Domain, eh! Admit it, David : I have had a (+)
influence on you. ;-)
... as soon as it's all integrated
with the CVS servers.
I am raptly interested, David. Please notify as soon
as it becomes available to the public. Count me among
the testers if indeed you need some testers.
Admiratively,
Alain
Hello David, Andu, and y'all,
I've not used MC to create server side blog/Wiki
stuff -- it's already been done...
Please, please, I *beg* you to give us some URLs to
have a look at these MetaCard-based blog/Wiki servers.
... but adding custom stuff to the core structure
is I think a more
Hello Sadu, David, and y'all,
Yo! Another interested party here ...
So how about it, David. Do you have any download-URLs
for us? Reading is fun and instructive, but we want
to *play* with something. Some building blocks... ;-)
We're using a wiki to create a user extensible
software manual
Hello Andu and y'all,
Weblogs are not supposed to be edited in the way
wikis are because... they are not wikis.
Good point, Andu.
The gist of what I was getting at, though, is that the
reason why David might prefer blogs over wikis is that
wikis lack the automation of blogs.
I don't get it,
MetaCard FreeGUI, without the need for a
*separate* web-browser or e-mail client.
It's all coming together. What a trip! :))
Alain Farmer
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. This is not something we
would normally need to attend to when we're using
simple syntax like put url myURL. Therefore, I
believe that it is a BUG [for MacOS-Classic]. I hope
I'm wrong and that there is something simple that I am
overlooking.
Help!
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Hello Robert and y'all,
Alain, you may want to provide a few more details
of your setup as the above is somewhat confusing.
Server-side = MacPPC running WebStar. HyperCard-based
CGI program with the script at the bottom of this
post.
Problem = When the HTTP request comes from a web
browser
. Instead go to this URL,
download the altURL stack. It contains a library
of alternative commands. It works.
And so it did!
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm
Thank you Eric Holst,
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Please include us. :)
And the whole list while you're at it,
e.g. it's relevant to us all.
Listening at port n, ;-)
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Hello jbv,
I'm about to do something I haven't done
before : build a MC standalone for Windows
on a Mac (OS 9). So I guess I simply need to
select the MC Win engine and that's all, right ?
Affirmative.
can I move resources like ask answer
dialogs to my stack on Mac
(before building the
You may have to type the path to the win-engine
manually, since the choose button will not
show the mc.exe, but then it works...
Very good point, Klaus.
My *easy* workaround is to put both engines in the
same folder. In the build standalone dialog, you
select the Mac engine, and thereby get
a copy of my client stack which exhibits this
problem :
http://ufp.uqam.ca/MC/test_url_stuff.mc.zip
Thank you for your time and earnest work, :)
Alain Farmer
NB: This is relatively URGENT for me. Please respond
as soon as you can [Scott]. It has nothing to do with
the interface; this is clearly
Hello,
Hi Alain,
Try this witch works for me perfectly from
MC 2.32 to 2.5:
set httpheaders to Content-type:
application/x-www-form-urlencoded return
post fld 1 to url myURL
Hope this help.
Thank you for the attempt, Pierre, but I tried it just
now and my problem remains unchanged. My
Bravo Yennie, you're a genius! :))
repeat until the openSockets is empty
close socket (line 1 of the openSockets)
end repeat
The above makes it work. I am thrilled! :))
The close socket syntax is not documented anywhere.
Or perhaps it is only my Help stacks that are too
dated. Is it
Hello Scott Rossi and y'all,
go stack url
http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/mcnews.rev;
Excellent work, Scott. The stack works marvelously. It
is also very pretty. You are obviously a professional.
A tip of the hat to ya!
Alain
PS: I ran the stack with MetaCard 2.5. I was glad to
see
of these four alternatives is the most
attractive to those empowered among us who insist on
taking charge of their own destiny? C'mon folks!
Let's get off this merry-go-round once and for all!
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Hello,
Here's some help :
The following puts up a compiler error...
get send open file tURL to Finder
do it as AppleScript
put the result
You are not quoting your arguments. Try this :
put quote tURL quote into tURL
put quote Finder quote into tAPP
get send open file
Hello Richard, Monte, and y'all,
What in FreeGUI has earned your recommendation
to devote time to working on it?
I haven't played with it much since last year,
so I may well be missing something.
For a die-hard HyperCard user forced to endure MC/RR's
complexity, FreeGUI is the best interface
Hello,
Hiding/deactivating undesirable or not needed
elements could unclutter the display. However,
the large memory requirements will likely remain
and so will the background activity to name a few
things that affect some of my work. Plus this will
complicate the Rev IDE even further,
Any way to get at these buttons?
Ouch! The only thing I know of is to drop
the stack on MSWord and go hunting!
You will get better results with BBEdit.
Good luck,
Alain F
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Hello Karl,
I'm attempting to create a folder in Mac OS 9
(under MC 2.4.3) using something like:
create folder tPath
It works fine here!
For some reason, it's simply not creating this
folder, and returning a Can't create folder
in the result.
Because the folder already exists, or the
Greetings y'all,
particularly to those who are interested in MC IDE,
Something wonderful has happened to me/us this week.
I've got a paying customer who wants to invest in the
development of a MetaCard-based authoring system like
MetaCard or RunRev, but it has to be even simpler than
both of
Hello Larry and y'all,
Will this be one application on one server
or 500 separate installations.
There are 500 schools that want to use FreeGUI, but
the number of licences is another matter. My
hypothesis is that each school will want at least one
licence so that the school's techie-person can
Hello,
I need to be able to update a stack/card script
in a standalone, and I cannot because of the
limit imposed ...
Hummm .. Seems easy enough to me. Integrate one or
more do statement[s] in your generic handler. The
script that gets 'done' can be located elsewhere, e.g.
in a field, in a
Hello Richmond Mathewson,
I am in the process of submitting a Master's
proposal at the University of Abertay with a
view to doing research into intelligent agents
for teaching xTalk to teachers..
Very interesting project, Rich. I did some
undergraduate studies in AI at the Univ of
Hello Pierre Sahores, Chipp Walters, and
y'all who are interested in MetaCard-based AGENTS
w/out going too much into it, can you explain
what an Intelligent Agent does in MC? Perhaps
an example? I'm interested in learning more:-)
When discussing software agents, as we are now, one
has to
Hello,
How would you see a very basic agent as being
able to accomplish all of what you said, in RunRev?
This is one of those 64,000 dollar questions of AI,
but let me just allude, for now, to several MC
features that could be useful to us :
* MetaCard multi-platform deployment (serverside
Hello Richard MacLemale and y'all,
I've been following the AI discussion
with GREAT interest.
Excellent, we seem to be generating a groundswell! :))
I've always wanted to write some server
based software using metacard ...
For years now, it's been possible to create
server-side CGI
Hello Shari,
I think you are misunderstanding the meaning
of post. POST sends a request in POST-format
to a url, e.g. a CGI app.
Both methods ( GET and POST ) submit a request to a
web server. Plus the responding appl on the
server-side is not necessarily using the CGI protocol.
You could
Hello Pierre,
Thanks Alain, for sharing this,...
My pleasure. :)
Runs perfectly after opened it under
both HC 2.4.1 and Rev 2.1.2...
That's quite a *feat*, indeed, because I have never
used Rev before nor do I have it on any of my
machines. Thank Runtime I guess, for insuring such
good
Hello Chipp,
Alain, any chance your stack (and/or the
accompanying
stack on Neural Nets) be converted to RR? I'm mostly
on PC and don't have HC. I don't know how much
trouble it would be, but if it's easy...
Plug-and-play, apparently.
Pierre has graciously answered for me. :)
Are we
Hello Shari,
Using .php to mail something is another
option. Though I'm not sure how that would
differ from cgi.
They accomplish the same goal, e.g. web pages
generated and customized ondemand, but there are major
differences some of which I enumerate here :
* PHP is widely-used and popular
* PHP deals with many of the intricit details ;
Did you mean intrinsic or explicit? ;-)
Intricate, e.g. a large number of small details.
Can you elaborate? What kind of details?
With PHP, all the web-form's elements are
automatically assigned to variables, with variable
names with the same
Hello,
I need to be able to get what is displayed,
not the raw HTML behind it.
You are in quite a pickle in this case because
MetaCard cannot display raw-HTML as what is
displayed in a HTML browser. As I've suggested many
many times to Scott, we would need is a player
component in the
Welcome to the fray Alex,
However, I've never used libCGI for MC
so 'scuse me for butting in :-)
OTC, please join us. :)
Alain
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Hello Scott Rossi.
Our (MC 2.4.2) app is designed to launch a second
app ... works fine and reliably when run locally.
When this is run under Win98 from a remote volume,
our app runs fine but will not launch the 2nd app.
The error returned in the result is Not opened
My guess is that it
Hello Rick Rice,
OK, I just figured out that if I add the a and
/a tags the link tag works.
ie aLinkcalled hemopoiesis/Link/a
I have been doing HTML since 1994, and I never heard
of the libk tag. Here is how you create an anchor :
a href=#MyAnchorNameclick on this anchor/a
-- in the TOC at
Hello,
For those who have html-interpreted email
readers, all your carefully included angle
brackets are interpreted as tags so the text
is displayed as if links rather than raw!
Would you like to re-post ... Thanks!
A text file that contains my previous post:
Hello y'all,
I would just like to give y'all a little advance
notice of an upcoming 'event' of interest to all
xCarders : I will soon be releasing my new
xCard-client for XML-RPC with PmWiki. IOW, browse
update a PmWiki from within an xCard stack. for more
impact, recall that Rev Pan both use
Hello,
I need help, folks.
I have been creating a MetaCard stack that submits to
a server-side PHP program. The payload of the post cmd
is of type text/xml and, specifically, it is the XML
that an XML-RPC program expects.
The above submit works fine, and the server-side
program returns what it
Hello Simon,
Was there not a way to detect on mouseMove
if the cursor had rolled over a target
such as an img or fld?
on mouseEnter
set the filename of me to sampleOVER.gif
end mouseEnter
on mouseLeave
set the filename of me to sampleNORMAL.gif
end mouseLeave
Hello Alejandro,
PS: I have just completed the scripting of a MC
stack that automatically transforms the layout
of the cards into the corresponding DHTML in a
WYSIWYG manner.
Is this like Adobe Golive or Macromedia Dreamweaver?
Very much like them. In some respects, mine is better,
in
Hello Richard
I've only seen it in fields where the contents have
no word breaks. What sort of data are you viewing?
Thanks for the help. I will make the stack available
to y'all before this day ends.
Thanks,
Alain
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Anyone have the secret for
converting rgb to webcolors?
It must be in the air ... i have just tackled this
problem myself in the context of creating a WYSIWYG
DHTML editor with MetaCard. :)
Jeanne's solution, below, is the BEST one. It is how
it SHOULD be done. It's what baseConvert
Alain wrote:
I will make the stack available
to y'all before this day ends.
Here it is :
http://ufp.uqam.ca/mc/cspi.sit
It is a suite of MC 2.5 stacks that I have recently
crafted, including my new WYSIWYG MetaCard-to-DHTML
conversion stuff : one final 'product' (sample) and
one generic
Hello,
The dontWrap property when set to false still
won't wrap text which has no spaces in it.
This was my problem.
Try inserting a space in your string
and see if it doesn't work correctly.
This turned out to be the solution. :)
I suppose this could be considered a bug.
Or just
Hello Klaus,
A tiny word of warning about this little handler
WOULD have been a good idea! ;-)
on refreshUserImages
if the number of card images 0 then
put getCurrentFolder() into currentFolder
repeat with x = 1 to the number of card images
get currentFolder
Hello y'all,
Here is an UPDATED version of the WYSIWYG editor :
http://ufp.uqam.ca/mc/cspi.sit
Improvements include :
* Problem with relativePath function is fixed.
* Images appear every time stack is opened.
* Substacks (dialogs) display correctly too.
* Images are displayed in the web
Oops! I forgot to mention that there is a wiki page on
this subject at :
http://pan.uqam.ca/cgi-bin/usemod/wiki.pl?EditeurWYSIWYG
Hello y'all,
Here is an UPDATED version of the WYSIWYG editor :
http://ufp.uqam.ca/mc/cspi.sit
Improvements include :
* Problem with relativePath
Hello Hugh,
I was impressed with the beta version
a while ago, Alain ...
You will *love* this one then, because it has been
much improved in the last 10 days. Ive been working
full-time on it every day. :))
...but could not work out how to apply the DHTML
conversion to an existing stack.
Hello RCS and y.all,
Converting stacks to html...hasn't everyone figured
out how to do this? It's quite simple actually...
I have been hand-coding HTML output from within stacks
for years. Most of the material on this subject in the
Pan comes from yours-truly. If I did not craft it then
I am
--- Wouter
I look at MC and RR as stacks interacting with
an engine ... but the impression is growing that
what is called the engine, is something composed
of stacks and the engine. Where are the borders
between the IDE, stacks and the engine?
Very *VERY* good point, Wouter.
Where is it?
Hello Wouter and y'all,
Only wondering why slowly all those little
differences are creeping in. Undocumented
little changes, to be discovered by
(sometimes enervated :-) users.
This may be stretching this out of context but I would
like to chipin that more more software, particularly
web
Hello Richard and y'all
The FlipsIDE plugin will make everything really
smooth ... just one click and you switch from
Rev to MC (or to Rossiland or to Constellation
or anything else you want).
Including FreeGUI ? ;-))
Set a preference and it becomes zero clicks. :)
Great design
Hello Mathewson and y'all
At present my GUI that I am developing for xTalk
will run on both RR and MC ...
Yet another alternative GUI for the MetaCard-engine
eh! ;-)
* The original classic MetaCard GUI
* The evolution of this Classic, e.g. MetaCard-IDE
* Rev's GUI, of course.
* A MC-based
Hello Eric Engle,
Something about metacard that really bothers me...
domenu... domenu in hypercard is really important
and convenient.
Indeed. I have longed for doMenu in MC, many times,
for many years. I had a in-depth debate about it with
Scott Raney, back when MC was still owned and hosted
Hello MisterX,
Im coming out with a new version of the WinNO2
plugin - the ultimate Rev-Window/Stack manager.
New skin, new menus, revised features...
http://monsieurx.com/hyper/xos/screenshots/WinNO2.png
Wow! Very very pretty, professionnal-looking, etc.
:-)_)
You've got real
Hello FlexibleLearning,
Is there any simple way to detect
the last (or first) marked cd ?
function firstMarkedCard
get the id of first marked card
return it is the id of this card
end firstMarkedCard
function lastMarkedCard
get the id of last marked card
return it is the id of this
Hello Simon and y'all
I'd like to poke at running metacard as a service
loading and testing .mc files etc. Just to see
what can be done reading, writing and displaying..
Where is the best place to find examples to start
with?
Did anyone respond to this ?
Alain
Hello MisterX,
I just spent a big part of the day working on
the mc variable watcher and finishing some
workflow issues with my old mc script editor...
is there anyone still using Metacard?
A 'better' question would be :
is anyone still developing components for MetaCard?
;-)
As for me,
Hello y'all.
I cannot even imagine what new features
I'm missing out on with my older version
of MC. I look forward to upgrading this
year to Rev. :-)
You can't miss something you never had! IOW, I'm doing
fine with MetaCard 2.5 .. I don't really feel the need
to 'upgrade' to Rev.
Hello Shari, Kevin and y'all
I know folks have been discussing something
about players, but it sounded more like an
issue for those who wanted to create a
competing program to Rev.
From a business point of view: sounded like is not
sufficient. As an entrepreneur, I must know *exactly*
what
Hello Ken Ray,
Alain, are you a member of the Improve List?
No.
If so, please read the results of a
conversation I had with Kevin related
to standalones and players
(title: Tempest in a Teapot: A Resolution).
Can you give me/us an executive summary? :-)
Regards,
Alain
Hello Richard,
Today All RunRev requires is
(last I heard anyway):
This product was made with Revolution
Portions Copyright 2006 Runtime Revolution Ltd.
I don't object to including of a copyright notice in
*MY* splash-screen, and definitely in the About and
other docs, but the issue is
Thank you, Ken Ray. :-)
The following is the post that I sent to the
Improve Rev list, which goes into detail
about the player/standalone issues that were
originally raised on this list.
This should hopefully clear everything up...
Clear, exhaustive, and what I need to be reassured
about.
Hello Ray and Richard,
Ray Horsley asked :
It may sound a bit dreamy, but does anybody
know of a way to display a stack in a browser
for normal interactive use with the cgi ... ?
CGI is an interface for processing data
from a client to an HTTP server.
IOW, CGI is a server-side protocole
Dave Cragg wrote:
Just a few comments on the Flash Player.
Adobe/Macromedia have a product named Flex
which can produce swf files for playback by
the Flash player. This is quite a different
development environment from Flash. For ex,
there's no timeline.
Thanks for your input, Dave. :-)
Hello Richard and y'all,
... so it would seem there would be room
for an open source alternative -- maybe.
Hear! Hear! ;-))
We are on the same wavelength in this regard. :)
As you all know, I'm making steady progress towards
this goal, e.g. an open-source multi-platform xCard
that takes
Dear Hugh,
Dear friends,
A curious beginning for what follows! ;-)
Just to clarify my earlier response to 'Solstice
Salutations', please accept with no obligation,
implied or implicit, my best wishes for an
environmentally conscious, socially responsible,
low stress, non-addictive,
Thank you Scott, Thank you Jacque. :-)
I was SURE such a thing existed! :-)
Btw, are there any *other* locations where MetaCard developers are sharing
their work ? Has there been any/many efforts to share MC/RR work ? A kind of
... euh ... Pantechnicon.. so to speak! Would it be worthwhile
Hello y'all,
I'm trying to script MetaCard 2.5 so that it can DELETE a FOLDER. But it just
doesn't work, no matter what I try. Given my experience with the command-line
in DOS and in UNIX, I know that one cannot delete a folder that has something
*in* it. So I tried emptying the files in my
Thanks for your advice, Brian. :)
If you are really stuck in Transcript land, you could try
using shell() to call through to the command-line where
things behave like you are accustomed to? If you use rm
on the command line (UNIX / Linux / MacOS X), there are
options to recurse and force
Thanks Jacque,
You can get the detailed files and the detailed folders.
This will give you full listings of everything, including
hidden items. Then you'll need to run a loop to walk the
directories, deleting all the files in each file list,
and getting the files inside each folder in the
THANKS, Jacque. :-)
I can't believe HOW-MUCH work you have done on this, for me. WOW! You are truly
One-of-a-kind!, Jacque. The Spirit-of-HyperCard still inhabits you! ;-) It's
like The Force, only BETTER! ;-)
P.S.: As it does with Brian Yennie, as well. :)
I'm still hoping for a HACK (e.g.
Hello y'all,
Is it possible to use Valentina with MetaCard 2.5 ?
Or does it necessarily *require* Runtime Revolution ?
N.B.: *not* even 2.6 .. it *has* to be for 2.5 ..
because version 2.5 is what I got *and*
I don't want to upgrade unless it's strictly necessary.
Thanks y'all,
Hi Ken andf y'all,
Alain, one caveat on using Valentina
is whether the *current* Valentina will
work with MC 2.5; you may need to find
acquire an older version for it to work.
You should contact Ruslan Zasukhin at
Paradigmasoft to find out for sure.
Thanks for the tip. I already have, and
Hello y'all,
Can Valentina XCMD (aka VXCMD) operate with [any] standard mySQL server ?
Or will it only work with Valentina's servers (aka VSERVER) ?
Thanks, :)
Alain
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Subject: Re: IDE Interoperability
See above for context.
The main issue is about how to decide
what is a component and what isn't.
The OPERATIVE word here is DECIDE. There is no BEST-answer to this. It
Hi Björnke and y'all,
I'm only a lurker on the revInterop list. I listen and react-to some of the
things you're discussing to make Rev interoperable, in-order-to brainstorm,
design, and craft my own xCard-inspired application; authoring system to be
more precise.
My xCard will be a Web-app
Hi Richmond Mathewson and y'all,
I had Metacard 4 up and running
with a dataGrid yesterday night.
So.. how was it? Did it work? Is it HOT?
On a similar note, what do y'all think of the REVLET feature ?
Has anyone used it? Did it work? Is it HOT?
Specifically: Which UserLevel does a
Hello. :)
I have been using MetaCard 2.5 for over a decade now, and, with some free time
on my hands, I was wondering what RunRev was up to these days. I must say.. I
am impressed! Particularly with all of the new [web] features:
* save stack as revlet and deploy-to-web ;
* free downloadable
Thanks for the insider-info, FlexibleLearning. Regards, Alain. :)
Jacque has pointed you in the right direction, but I'd like
to add a word on the revWeb plugin for 'revlet' apps... It
has achieved proof of concept stage, but we are all waiting
for the final release of 4.5 for a commercially
Thank you for your informative reply, Jacque. Btw, no matter which list is
concerned, HC, MC, andRev too I presume, I've noticed that you always take care
to respond.. and promptly to-boot! Thank-you for being who you are! :)
Alain
It's all happening over on the Rev list.
This one is mostly
Best solution for this would be a GREP pattern. :)
Example: .*([0-9]+).*
PS: use metacard's replaceText syntax.
Al
replace (Size: 100ml; ) with 100 in fld Product
But you have different 'size' values. This removes the
non-numeric
characters...
set the itemDel to TAB
repeat
your matchtext solution rather than a copied
generic?
Hugh Senior
FLCo
Alain Farmer wrote:
Best solution for this would be a GREP pattern. :)
Example: .*([0-9]+).*
PS: use metacard's replaceText syntax.
Al
replace (Size: 100ml; ) with 100 in fld Product
But you have different 'size
Hello,
It's Alain, the HyperCard Pantechnicon host.. I have been using HyperCard since
1986, MetaCard 2.5 since 1996, but I never made the leap to RunRev,
specifically LiveCode these days. Now I am seriously considering it, so I have
some questions for y'all:
* With MetaCard 2.5, above a
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