Hello,
I'm looking for a metal detector that can be suitable for meteorite hunting
and able to detect chondrites as well as iron rich meteorites. I've already
looked at several types, but it's difficult for me to get a clear idea about
it, as I do not wish to invest too much in this equipment...
Hello all-
Thought I'd burn the midnight oil and give the folks across the pond a
fighting chance at a great deal.
Up for offer is some of the Recrystallized Howardite NWA 1929
Classification info below, this material is PAIRED
Classification and mineralogy (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): a
ROCKS FROM SPACE PICTURE OF THE DAY:
http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/Sep_23.html
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Hello,
I'm searching for an Excel program or a document explaining how to determine the orbit
of a meteorite fallen on earth according to the fact that we know the impact point,
trajectory, altitude and speed, pictures of the bolide.
This technique of orbit calculation was used on Pribram, Lost
I think that books from Jean Meeus could serve you. They contain
formulas to calculate orbits, planetary positions, eclipses,
conjunctions and maybe calculations for meteorites as well.
One thing to think about, though: the best you can say is where the
meteorite entered the atmosphere, nothing
This one confuses me.
We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr
Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the
nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that
meteorite that the number is reserved, no others.
NWA
Money, you know.
This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and
selling off my 600+ meteorites.
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Best regards,
Bernhard Rendelius Rems
CEO RPGDot Network
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Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the
meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the travel I do costs
a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while building my
collection.
This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I don't
You should have been in Denver, Mike. You would have been shocked to see
how much uncut NWA 1929 was being sold at low prices.
I am glad that I wasn't on the list the last month to witness the fighting
over numbers. Perhaps, each newly found Sikhote-alin should have it's own
new name
Hi Bernhard list,
Whether we like it or not if it wasn't for the commercial aspect, collectors
would have little chance of aquiring meteorites for their collections. I
think too that if it weren't for commercial enterprise in our field many
meteorite samples would never have been found.
Yes Jim, it wasn't pretty.
The part about falls and finds was discussed. There is no need to classify
every piece of those meteorites like Gao or Sikhote-Alin as they are from a
compact area, and are distinctive enough to lack the need for further
classification.
When it comes to meteorite
Obviously, you are right, verification of specimens should be performed
before they are assigned to a pre-existing number. I guess I wasn't clear
on that.
Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV 26038
http://www.catchafallingstar.com
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From: Michael Farmer
Michael (and others who have written to me in private),
it's not making me sick that it's about money, it makes me sick that
people do not stick to the rules (even dealers I trust don't stick to
the simple rules anymore).
Let me tell you this: I recently bought a somewhat larger slice of NWA
Hell, I am talking about 1929, of course, not 2019 :-)
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Best regards,
Bernhard Rendelius Rems
CEO RPGDot Network
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Several List members use White's Goldmaster series detectors with great
success. The current model is the GMT with is very similar to the previous
model, the Goldmaster 4. Previous models were the Goldmaster 2, Goldmaster
3 and the Goldmaster VSAT. All are good units to hunt for all types of
But Bernd... just take the better documented Oman finds or the DaGs.
Everybody knows now, what's going on with the NWAs and if it's disturbing,
that there is not known the place of find, the date of find and the total
known weight,
one has those Dhos, DaGs, HaHs ect. as a good alternative choice,
Hi Bernhard and list,
Something else to bear in mind (although it may be trivial) when you refer
to the TKW of say NWA1929 (or any other classified NWA). The weight is
actually the total weight not total known weight as the name NWA1929 refers
to the rock Mike had classified and no other. TKW
Bernd, indeed, NWA 1929 was one individual that weighed just 922 grams. I
bought it in Morocco in May 2003 for an investment trip. The investors all
got their pieces, so it depends on who it came from whether it is real or
not.
email me the seller, and I can at least tell you if they were an
Think about it folks, Calcalong Creek could be sitting in someone's
collection with a Millbillillie label on it. Fortunately, Haag noticed a
bit of a difference between it and the other meteorites he purchased in
Australia.
During the NWA number debate of last week or so, I agreed with Adam.
Ken, indeed, there may be other pieces, but since Adam and Jeff Grossman
made it extremely clear last week that like the 1068 and 1110 meteorites,
the name can only be used for my original piece 922 grams.
Anything thought to be paired needs to be classified and given a new number
and perhaps
It's easy to handle.
First we open a new numbers series and call the NWA BMA - Bought Meteorite
of Africa.
Second the Hupes, you, Matteo, Bessey and other twisted sisters organize a
foundation together with the IMCA, asking from each seller, who dares to
sell such a desert baby, a sample for the
This is an interesting point. The word known implies that up to this
point this is what we know exists. History has shown that addition
specimens of meteorites with previously published TNWs have been found
which changes the TNW. But remember, in the case of NWAs, the Meteoritical
Society
Yeah, there are quite a few anomalies in the whole system...
If the name or number given to a fall is only for the specimens given in
for analysis, how come falls like sikhote have a total known weight of
many tons? Surley only a few kilo's where officially used for the
classification, so if we
Calcalong Creek is a striking example indeed. Also, consider the existent overlapping
strewnfields of some Omani lunar meteorites. And if one takes into account, that EVERY
single meteorite fragment collected in Antarctica (ANSMET) - even in the case that it
physically fits together with others
Farmer already answered this question. The Sikhote-Alin area is very
isolated and no other iron meteorites (to my knowledge) have been found in
the region. Also, the SA meteorites have some very distinct exterior
characteristics that are seen in very few, if any, other irons. Then
again,
Remember the distinction between meteorites from densely populated areas (like Dhofar,
NWA, Dar al Gani) and the rest of the world. There is a clear distinction set forth by
the NomCom of which procedures for naming and calculating TKWs is applicable. There
have been numerous postings to this
Hello,
I'm searching for an Excel program or a document
explaining how to determine the orbit of a meteorite
fallen on earth according to the fact that we know the
impact point, trajectory, altitude and speed, pictures
of the bolide.
This technique of orbit calculation was used on Pribram,
Moroccan people ask $10/gr. for howardites, and is for the 98% all of the
same found. The same for DaG's, if you look my DaG 669 slice
http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteoritecollection/DaG669.JPG
and DaG 671 slice
http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteoritecollection/DaG671.JPG
its of the same
All of you know, researchers are not going to work on every single piece
of say 1929, that comes out of NWA. This is a losing battle with no
easy solution. This is the problem with NWA and it has been this way
from the beginning.
I see it in 3 ways...
1. Enjoy the low low prices and visual
All of you know, researchers are not going to work on every single piece
of say 1929, that comes out of NWA. This is a losing battle with no
easy solution. This is the problem with NWA and it has been this way
from the beginning.
I see it in 3 ways...
1. Enjoy the low low prices and visual
It didn't take long to revisit this issue. I don't think it is more than
philosophical to debate it in the list context, but it has definitly been a useful
exercise for those interested acquiring resold NWA pieces. It is a sickening subject
being born from wicked commercialism.
Yeaaahhh,
now the things that I have been awaiting (since the last year) is going to
be reality.
Market slows down and the QUIET RESERVES are opening.
Many, many, many collectors have been faked with low TKW of most of the
rare classification meteorites from NWA. As I posted to the list some
Hi, again, I am not starting any smack here, not attacking Adam, but let's
be clear, he tore Bob Evans a new A-hole about the Martian, and left no
leeway to allow him to even claim possibly paired with his stone.
Now, look at this auction
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns6432
Jupiter drifted towards sun in its youth
Hazel Muir
New Scientist
22 September 2004
Jupiter, the king of planets in the solar system, drifted tens of
millions of kilometres towards the sun in its youth, a new study
suggests. Jupiter's
http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/regionalnews/tm_objectid=14675100method=fullsiteid=50142headline=that-was-no-quake---it-was-a-typhoon-name_page.html
That was no quake - it was a Typhoon
By Matt Withers
Daily Post (England)
September 23, 2004
A FIGHTER plane being flown at supersonic
A great statement !
Calcalong Creek was obviously a Millbillillie until it was cut. So how
can these uncut stones be obviously NWA 1929.
this sentence describes exactly the point of the discussion.
Bravo Mike !
Cheers,
Christian
IMCA #2673
www.austromet.com
Christian Anger
Korngasse 6
Hi List,
Many will be glad to hear meetings were held in Denver to discuss these very
issues. As I already stated in our auctions and on the List, a secondary
type specimen was submitted and determined to be paired with NWA 1929 by the
same laboratory (NAU). NWA 1929 was still in provisional
A great statement !
Calcalong Creek was obviously a Millbillillie until it was cut. So how
can these uncut stones be obviously NWA 1929.
this sentence describes exactly the point of the discussion.
Bravo Mike !
Cheers,
Christian
IMCA #2673
www.austromet.com
Christian Anger
Korngasse 6
A great statement !
Calcalong Creek was obviously a Millbillillie until it was cut. So how
can these uncut stones be obviously NWA 1929.
this sentence describes exactly the point of the discussion.
Bravo Mike !
Cheers,
Christian
IMCA #2673
www.austromet.com
Christian Anger
Korngasse 6
Ok Adam,. I can accept this from you, sounds clear enough, but what about
the many kilos of it being sold in Denver by Thompson? What do you suggest?
Mike Farmer
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From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 9/23/04 7:58 AM, Michael Farmer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also have felt that way, but love for the
meteorites themselves keeps me sane.
Michael,
Perhaps you need A LOT MORE meteorites!
Best wishes, Michael
PS: (good natured kidding here, folks,
OK, please allow me to change the description from PAIRED to Likely
Paired, as deemed acceptable in Mr. Grossman's email last week:
It is acceptable and routine, however, for people to make statements
indicating that various numbered stones may be paired (although I would be
cautious about
Hi Mike and List,
This seems to be a very touchy subject so I will address it in general. I
feel that if a pairing is suspected the following should happen:
A proper sized specimen should be liberated from the suspected pairing.
The primary or secondary type specimen should be submitted to an
Hi All,
I remember this site, you might find some more info on it.
http://members.aol.com/whiteriverlabs/shootout.html
Sternengruss, Moni
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Date: Thu, 23
Hi Martin and all,
Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rem goes by the name of Bernhard and is NOT Bernd Pauli
who supplies us with all the statistical data we all appreciate. Bernhard does
have a nice website that a number of people have supported by sharing info with
him from this list.
I just want people to
Hi John and List
Most quality VLF gold machines will do the job of hearing the low iron
chondrites . The older model goldmasters are my favorite because the box is
removable from the wand . Which makes the load on your arm much easier for a
long day of hunting . The GM4 and GMT have a touch pad
This is an ongoing discussion between Martin and me :-)
Martin is totally right: The meteorites from Oman and the ones from Dar
Al Gani are much better documented. He's always wondering why I am so
fond of the NWA's and disregard the Dhofars, Dags and HaHs.
Well, actually, I don't :-). I have
Dhofar 010, 020, 007..
Not necessarily better documentation, just exemption from the pairing
demands on NWA.
Rob Wesel
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and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971
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It is nice to know that the 20 DHOFAR MAIN MASSES that I have in my
collection are not paired to anything.There is something to be said about
collecting chondrites.And to make it real nice, they all have
documentation.
steve arnold, chicago, usa!
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Steve
Hi Rob, and All,
Wow, you really know what's going on. Most of the Dhofar, SaU, DaG,
and HaH finds are documented, i.e., we have the exact find locations
and find circumstances on record, published in the Meteoritical
Bulletin, and these data can be accessed by anyone who has the desire
to do so.
Dhofar 241, Dho244, Dho250, Dho251, Dho253, Dho254, Dho255, Dho256, Dho257,
Dho258, Dho260, Dho261, Dho262, Dho264, Dho265, Dho334, Dho380, Dho381,
Dho384, Dho387, Dho388, Dho390, Dho391, Dho392, Dho393, Dho394, Dho395,
Dho396, Dho397, Dho398, Dho399, Dho400, Dho401, Dho403, Dho404, Dho405,
Ken, indeed, there may be other pieces, but since Adam and Jeff Grossman
made it extremely clear last week that like the 1068 and 1110 meteorites,
the name can only be used for my original piece 922 grams.
Anything thought to be paired needs to be classified and given a new
number
and perhaps
No, Dhofar does have better documentation than the majority of NWAs. GPS
coordinates are required for Dhofar, JaH, SAU, ect. Unlike the typical
'GPS' coordinates for NWAs = 'bought in Tucson'
Devin
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Well Said.
Devin
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Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
Hi Rob, and All,
Thank you Norbert, as always your opinion is valuable to me. Perhaps you can
elaborate on my prime example of DHO 020, every piece has been tested then?
No whole stones, entire strewnfield collected and documented in a single
expedition, nothing held back? Then we can talk about 007 and 700 if you
This debate is exactly why I focus collecting meteorites from other
places besides the deserts. I only have 10 NWAs in my collection.
Many researchers jump to classify an L6 from the US over an L6 from
Morocco.
That is just the way it is. These named meteorites have more sex
appeal, IMHO, and in
Exactly, very well said Matt
I only own one just for that very reason, just a NWA 3117 Howardite
And I do believe the name stuff will hold their value over time.
Tim Heitz
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Sent: Thursday, September 23,
Hi list.I have $350 to spend on a slice of that new pallasite.Who has some
and what size is available?Please get back to me ASAP.Also I will extend
my half price sale thru tomorrow.
steve
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Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120
I. M. C.
but forFor 6/g you can have an absolutely killer 96g end piece...cut
a few off and sell em on ebay.
The olivine is wonderful
http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/for_sale/seymchan_96.jpg
Matt
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Arnold,
Hi Matt and all,
Although I collect NWA's (mainly rare items never before obtainable
until the NWA Meteorite Rush), I also tend to focus mainly on name
brand types for myself and customers.
I think a great deal of the problem is this (and I am sure others will
disagree) that the PROPER field
This is some thoughts from a fresh collector, two months into a new hobby.
Likely paired or Probably paired is clear enough for every need. It
tells
you that someone have made a good guess at least but no scientific
examination on the pairing has been done. If it is rare material you
could
Dear List,
I do not care where a meteorite came from or what name it carries as long as
it is stable and was exported legally. There are a hundred ways to collect,
some prefer geographical location, some prefer rare classes and others may
only collect falls. I personally enjoy collecting rare
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Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:52 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
Exactly, very well said Matt
I only own one just for that very reason, just a
Greetings. While checking out different web sites on
Indiana meteorites, I came across the Indiana
University, Indiana Geological Survey website, and
they state that an Iron meteorite fell in Vermillion,
Indiana around 1883-84, which would make that 13
Indiana meteorites. I have never heard of
Hi,
The Catalogue of Meteorites lists only three irons for
Indiana:
KOKOMO 1862 Find IVB Ataxite
LA PORTE 1900 Find IIIAB
PLYMOUTH 1893 Find IIIAB
and nothing for VERMILLION
Gee, anybody got any HANGMAN'S CROSSING?
What a great name...
Sterling Webb
Hi
Maybe SOMEONE should make a Private Lab with 10?, 20? scientist, where
classification of L6 will cost 100$ and achondrite 200$ and waiting time
will be month for chondrite and 2 weeks for achondrite. This only one lab or
any other insitution should also have a right to give names for
Hi
Maybe SOMEONE should make a Private Lab with 10?, 20? scientist, where
classification of L6 will cost 100$ and achondrite 200$ and waiting time
will be month for chondrite and 2 weeks for achondrite. This only one lab
or
any other insitution should also have a right to give names for
Dear John, JKG and List,
I thank you all for your help. If any member has a Fisher Gold Bug or Gold
Bug-2 for sale or for trade, please contact me...
Kind regards,
Frederic Beroud
www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA #2491
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I just got back from my mainland trip. I went to Meteor Crater (thank you
everyone who gave me instructions on how to find the old American Meteorite
Museum ruins) and will be posting about that tomorrow, after I get some
rest. I need a vacation to recover from my vacation!
My personal
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