G'day,
If someone knows the distribution of specimens into collections for the
Australian meteorites; Dalgety Downs Hamilton, could you please email the
details off list?!
Thanks,
Jeff Kuyken
I.M.C.A. #3085
www.meteorites.com.au
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Hamilton:
main mass: Armidale, Univ. of New England
3424g: Sydney, Austr. Mus.
637g: Canberra, Austr. Nat. Univ.
516g: London, Nat. Hist. Mus.
290g: Ottawa, Mus. Geol. Surv. Canada
275g: Tempe, Arizona State Univ.
262g: Albuquerque, Univ. of New Mexico
261g: Melbourne, Nat. Mus. Victoria
201g:
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This is exactly why I suggested ages ago that we adopt a standardized
meteorite Record card, then any information follows the piece around.
I do feel the IMCA should step in here, authenticity is paramount in our
field, and confidence is dripping away FAST!
Best,
Mark Ford
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Well, IMCA has made a call for a design for such a card lately, and I
even submitted one to them. No answer, and nothing else on this matter
:-(
It seems to me that IMCA spends a lot of energy on the structuring of
the management lately, and less on other things. And their communication
towards
Bernhard,
I really don't want to criticize the IMCA, but I am Sorry to say I agree
with your statement, just when the biggest turmoil in years has kicked
up, about authenticity, (which incidentally is exactly what they where
started up for in the first place!!), - they seem to have gone an
Listees,
some of you might remember the lithograph of the Holbrook meteorite fall that
David Gregory presented to this list some time ago. If not, Mark provides a
nice scan on his great website (which I'd like to recommend on this occasion):
hello list and happy thanksgiving to all
it's a nice day and deserve a nice story
i swear to you that i need a GPS to find my self in all this emails.
and for this day here is a nice story that resume the situation.
but in french and my english is not good enough to translate this beauty.
its
Yeah seems dodgy to me too. There are plenty of Sea Gulls around wharfs!
Would it be the first to be filmed in any case - Didn't a news crew film
a park forest rock hitting the ground?
I remember seeing the film footage, the film clearly showed a 'streak'
hitting the ground, and was taken
Habibi and list,
Habibi wrote:
and i hope one of the frensh list member will make the
translation
here we go:
The Prologue from the book, The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho:
The alchemist knew the legend of Narcissus, a youth
who daily knelt beside a lake to contemplate his own beauty.
He was
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!
Here! Here! To Michael Blood's Parrot Joke!! Jerry Flaherty
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Hi EveryoneWe
Just so you all understand, here's what JSC does (I think). It doesn't
translate well into a system where more than one person owns the meteorite,
but perhaps that doesn't matter. They label their original specimen
name,0. I suppose if they had a case where there was more than one
fragment
All that's needed is a simple card which documents, the origins of the
specimen and the previous owners, maybe also anything that is done to
the rock, eg, classifications analysis cleaning etc (maybe even these
cards would become collectable themselves one day?) then at least you
know it's
Jeff Grossman wrote:
Now if somebody wants to call a new meteorite he buys in Morocco
NWA 5434, which is not allowed under our rules, he would have to
go the extra step of actually faking a specimen number.
I bought a stony meteorite from a box that was sitting benath
a Moroccan dealse's
Dear Mark;
Geeze, I think we were here before, last year, year before, year before
that. I believe I offered my basic chain of custody used in most water
sampling laboratories it was all poo-pooed but, it works for the
judicial system, the EPA, and all state water quality systems in legal
At 10:39 AM 11/25/2004, Herbert Raab wrote:
Jeff Grossman wrote:
Now if somebody wants to call a new meteorite he buys in Morocco
NWA 5434, which is not allowed under our rules, he would have to
go the extra step of actually faking a specimen number.
I bought a stony meteorite from a box that
Jeff Grossman wrote:
1) Keep the specimen under the name the seller told you
It was bough as unclassified stony meteorite, so I knew
that I am the one who has to care for classification.
2) Get it classified and named properly.
I sent it to a major lab for classification. Response was that
It's quite simple, if you don't know where it comes from and it hasn't
been classified then its 'unclasssifed' ... voila - no faking needed, it
has a name! :)
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Mark Ford wrote:
It's quite simple, if you don't know where it comes from and it
hasn't been classified then its 'unclasssifed' ...
Unfortunately, it is not that simple. As I wrote in my previous
message, the stone was sent to a major lab for classification.
They cut off a type specimen,
Happy Thanksgiving List
Just curious if any news of a fireball or meteorite was reported for south
central Kentucky yesterday (Nov 24).
I was driving west on the Cumberland Pkwy and at 17:56 I saw a fireball,
not terribly large or colorful, but very bright. No noticable smoke trail,
it was
Hello Jeff,
First off, I would like to thank you for all your time and effort you
place into this list.
Im sure Im not alone when I say that your name is one of several that
prompt one to pause and fully read your posts.
I wonder if you might clarify for me your example (copied below) of NWA
If the lab says it's paired, then I would have thought you could sell it
as paired with xxx ... no-one can argue you haven't done the right
thing. I think the problem comes when someone claims a pairing without
getting it looked at, at all.
MF
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Herbert, List
You may go to the Met Soc web site and fill the form for declaration of a
new meteorite.
If the report of the lab says it is paired, the Nom Com will probably
declare an additionnal mass to the already known NWA. And you will not steal
a number to anyone. But you will wait for
Unfortunately, it is not that simple. As I wrote in my previous
message, the stone was sent to a major lab for classification.
They cut off a type specimen, made a thin section, and classified
the stone accordingly. The result was that it is paired to another
NWA chondrite that already has (at
You may go to the Met Soc web site and fill the form for declaration of a
new meteorite.
If the report of the lab says it is paired, the Nom Com will probably
declare an additionnal mass to the already known NWA. And you will not
steal a number to anyone. But you will wait for next July.
It
Yes, from comparing my pieces of these meteorites (can't talk about 787,
just own a individual here, and can't talk about 900 - don't have it),
904 and 869 look different, and obviously so.
Bernhard
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Metal-veined and no-metal pieces of Portales Valley look like totally
different meteorites. Had it not been a witnessed fall, they would never had
been classified as paired.
Mike Farmer
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out of curiosity are you talking about an actual instance that happened
to you, or is this a hypothetical situation?
It's an actual instance.
Greetings,
Herbert Raab
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Hello all,
This thread is not meant to drag this subject on a lot longer. What I did was
put together some pieces of each meteorite for comparison in a picture. They
look very similar of course. The 904 material as you can see on the left seems
to have extra features in the comparison of the
Paper: Portland Press Herald
City: Portland, Maine
Date: Friday Morning, May 4, 1951
Page: 31
Meteor Hits Donkey?
Police of Cape Town and surrounding areas have been hunting for a
donkey killed by a meteor fragment. The report of the occurrence was made
late one night by an excited native
Paper: Star Herald
City: Scottsbluff, Nebraska
Date: Sunday, October 15, 2000
Page: 4B (Science Section)
Carbon-rich meteorite may give clues to life origins
WASHINGTON (AP) - In a search for new clues about the origin of life,
researchers worldwide are analyzing bits of a bus-sized meteorite
Paper: Dixon Evening Telegraph
City: Dixon, Illinois
Date: Tuesday, August 5, 1952
Page: 7
Oh, THAT'S Easy!
ALBUQUERQUE - (AP) - University of New Mexico scientists got out their
Geiger counters, their laboratory equipment and their microscopes.
For days they studied the mass of black,
Paper: Traverse City Record Eagle
City: Traverse City, Michigan
Date: Wednesday, November 21, 1951
Page: 11
New Fireball Crosses Sky
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M., Nov. 21 - (UP) - A bright green fireball sizzled
across southwestern skies last night, displaying all the characteristics
of eight other
Paper: Ironwood Daily Globe
City: Ironwood, Michigan
Date: Thursday, December 27, 1934
Page: 7
SCIENTISTS STUDY METEOR FRAGMENT
Part of Celestial Visitor Dug Up on Farm
FAYETTEVILLE, Ark., Dec. 27, - (AP) - A five-pound fragment of a fiery
meteor which was observed in four Southwestern states
At 12:38 PM 11/25/2004, Michael Gallant wrote:
Hello Jeff,
First off, I would like to thank you for all your time and effort you
place into this list.
I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that your name is one of several that
prompt one to pause and fully read your posts.
I wonder if you might
Stan, List,
I have not really all the details about that present case, ( who really
kowns ?).
So many NWA are thought to be paired. CV 3 series, CR series, IMB series,
Howardite/eurcite, etc...,
You know that a lot of collectors think now any new CK chondrite from the
Sahara is now said to be
Hello All,
Happy Thanksgiving, hope you are all enjoying yourselves on this holiday.
I am a geologist newly moved to Minneapolis and I miss getting out and rock
hounding. I am wondering if there is anyone on the list that knows about any
favorable strewnfields within a state-wide radius? If
The NomCom struggled with this issue for months this year. We were not
able to find a satisfactory way to deal with pairings of desert
meteorites. Until we can, we will not do this.
jeff
At 02:29 PM 11/25/2004, Michel Franco wrote:
Stan, List,
I have not really all the details about that
on 11/25/04 12:36 PM, Jeff Grossman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The NomCom struggled with this issue for months this year. We were not
able to find a satisfactory way to deal with pairings of desert
meteorites. Until we can, we will not do this.
jeff
At 02:29 PM 11/25/2004, Michel
Hi and thanksgiving everyone.Does anyone have any nice slices of DRONINO
forsale?Please let me know.I would like to have a nice size for my
collection.
steve
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Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120
I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728
Illinois
Steve, are you joking, is that a Thanksgiving joke?
There are about 500 slices of Dronino on ebay right now. If you want a nice
on, ill buy one from ebay, and triple the price just for you.
Mike Farmer
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Check Ebay. There was some there a day or two ago.
JKG
At 01:50 PM 11/25/2004, Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote:
Hi and thanksgiving everyone.Does anyone have any nice slices of DRONINO
forsale?Please let me know.I would like to have a nice size for my
collection.
There are no nice pieces of Dronino. Well, there might be some, but they
turn ugly pretty soon.
Campo del Cielo is made for eternity compared to Dronino.
Bernhard
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Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!
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That is why I do now own a piece, nor will I sell any.
Mike Farmer
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Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 2:14 PM
Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] dronino
There are
Dear List,
As long as people are talking about Dronino, I thought that I would ask
whether any of it is stable these days. When the first pieces went up for
sale they had a very bad reputation for practically bursting into flames. I
don't know whether this reputation is deserved anymore. The
Greetings Dear Listees:
Hey, it ain't easy to find a turkey-shaped meteorite, but I did my best : )
http://www.notkin.net/meteorites/thanksgiving-04.htm
Things to be thankful for (reasons to be cheerful!):
- Joel Schiff's Meteorite magazine
- Bernd Pauli
- The Oscar E. Monnig Meteorite Gallery,
Now that's a turkey that shouldn't be sliced-up today but it sure is
begining to make me hungry! Do you suppose it would taste similar to an Mbale
turkey? : /
Happy Thanksgiving!
Ryan
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Hi Jeff, and list.
Looks like your Turkey has laid some eggs ;-)
Happy Happy Joy Joy Turkey day to all !
Best Regards, Steven Drummond
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You know, you can wish all you want that you dont have
a lot of NWA869 pairings (And I am using NWA869
because thats my number and its the most commonly
accepted name for this HUGE fall - Even the moroccans
refer to it as NWA869) but like the boggy creek
martian rainforest, wishing wont make it
Hallo List,
for all of you who are interested, I have in aprox 8 hours a very interesting
auction ending on Ebay.
Please take a look at the NWA3106, a well discused metal rich Diogenite. This
is the largest piece that may ever be for sale and the largest I have.
Free registered airmail shipping
Hola List, Apparently my reply to John yesterday didn't make it, while the
thread has been taken up by others. I disagree with Jeff in the details, who
has decided for whatever reason that it indeed is impractical to separate
successive specimen division on a simple piece of paper everytime a
They are not stable. The older pieces was slag in a few weeks or months,
the new stable ones in 8 - 10 months. I have just one very thin piece not
distroyed, just because it has a quite heavy lacquer. Fastest ruster I have
ever seen ;-
best,
pekka
Stephen McMann wrote:
Dear List,
As long as
Hi again list.I have 4 auctions ending tomorrow between 2 and 3 pm chicago
time.Some really good deals,plus I have 5 ongoing.Bid high and bid
often.And I was talked out of getting any dronino.I do not need any.Thanks
to the wise men who be.
steve arnold,
Dear Pekka and List,
Has anyone ever tried some of the tried and true iron stabilization
techniques on Dronino, such as a long bath in an alcohol and NaOH rich
solution to remove chlorides? On a related subject, I guess that I may not
really understand the chemistry behind why some meteorites are
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Has anyone ever tried some of the tried and true iron stabilization
techniques on Dronino, such as a long bath in an alcohol and NaOH rich
solution to remove chlorides? On a related subject, I guess that I may not
really understand the chemistry behind why some meteorites are stable, and
some
Well, have tried everything except black magic and woodoo...;-
Dronino is a quite old one, accordindg Verdansky from before
12:th century. Main part of the pieces was found from the very
wet area, so I suppose, the chlorides are not the only problem...,
the meteorite is just too old and have spent
Nope, as far as I know. This mirror-polished fellow was
stored in the air-tight plastig-bag, and some 10 months it
was a real beauty. Then it started to rust very fast, or in
fact not only to rust, perhaps boiling is a good word for
the process...;-
The beauty today;
I thought it wasn't a good idea to store meteorites in plastic bags. I
would think storing it in a bell jar with the air evacuated would
stabilize it.
Just a thought
Jonathan
Pekka Savolainen wrote:
Nope, as far as I know. This mirror-polished fellow was
stored in the air-tight plastig-bag,
i got, like a 10g piece of it.
i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Jörn Koblitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Jeff Kuyken" [EMAIL PROTECTED],"Meteorite List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Dalgety Downs
You may have right, but think Dronino have enough oxygen in it
to rust even in a full vacuum...;-
It looks to me, old Campos, Nantans and so on rust very different
way than Dronino, which destroys itself from inside out, that´s
way I used the word boiling. Perhaps this fellow is an ancient
I thought about that too ... what about storing it in alcohol?
Pekka Savolainen wrote:
You may have right, but think Dronino have enough oxygen in it
to rust even in a full vacuum...;-
It looks to me, old Campos, Nantans and so on rust very different
way than Dronino, which destroys itself from
Have any of you who are fighting with rust/decay problems with Dronino
tried storing with desiccant in an airtight container after treating with
the alcohol/NaOH bath?
I can remember Steve Shoner telling the list about using the alcohol/NaOH
solution bath. As best as I can remember, he was the
Dean,
I will take the word of Dr. Rubin, a skilled scientists with a Ph.D. and
decades of experience over somebody who does not even collect meteorites and
is only in it for the money.
Happy Holiday,
Adam
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What about storing in a vacuum with a container of concentrated sulfuric
acid after the alcohol/NaOH bath?
JKGwilliam wrote:
Have any of you who are fighting with rust/decay problems with Dronino
tried storing with desiccant in an airtight container after treating
with the alcohol/NaOH bath?
Or storing it in oil after the alcohol/NaOH bath?
JKGwilliam wrote:
Have any of you who are fighting with rust/decay problems with Dronino
tried storing with desiccant in an airtight container after treating
with the alcohol/NaOH bath?
I can remember Steve Shoner telling the list about using
Dear List;
How about just collecting better meteorites? Isn't this the same story
as the Campo, Nantan predicament?
Isn't this sort of a case of buying a four year old car from America's
rust belt and complaining about holes that a cat can climb through?
Buy better meteorites? Much easier
Oh give me a home
Where my Dro-o-nino
Don't rust and my compos don't brake
Where an N-dubya-A
Has a dry place to stay
An' I hope to dear God it ain't fake
Rob Wesel
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Very well said!
Dave F.
Rob Wesel wrote:
Oh give me a home
Where my Dro-o-nino
Don't rust and my compos don't brake
Where an N-dubya-A
Has a dry place to stay
An' I hope to dear God it ain't fake
Rob Wesel
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and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy
Adam,
You sound like a very educated sort. Please share your scientific credentials,
degrees, whatever applies to meteorites, with us all.
Bill
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Dean,
I will take the word of Dr. Rubin, a skilled
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