On Fri, 13 May 2005 05:52:41 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On the contrary,
I think the insistence of superiority driven by human ego is way out of
control.
So now it is superiority and ego to think that there is an objective
reality, the universe obeys
physical laws, and there is the
Ok, I bite, which came first, the chicken or the egg?
DF
drtanuki wrote:
Mr. Gwilliam and List,
It is the dreamers, the ones that ask foolish
questions, the searchers/seekers that find the
answers. The ones that have all of the answers NEVER
will make progress for mankind or themselves. Many
Hi Adam and List,
I just heard from a reliable source some good news, the ten individuals
that were caught meteorite hunting in Oman have been released. Just a
week ago I heard from the same source they were being charged with
three different felonies so it did not look good at that time
Anyone have any of these?
Sept 19,1775 Rodach
Sept 19,1869 Tjabe
Sept 19,1910 Khohar
Sept 19,1949 Karewar
If so, please contact me off list.
Thanks, Michael
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Hi Pierre and List,
If we lose deserts for meteorite hunting, it's the
beginning of the end for your hobby so we have to find
new areas.
I don't think it will mean the beginning of the end of the hobby, - it
may even go back to being like the good old days, when material was
highly treasured
Somebody already did one for craters, but I haven't looked at it:
http://www.twobeds.com/upload/userfiles/nova/worldwind.htm
At 03:35 AM 5/13/2005, tracy latimer wrote:
This is so much fun! Can your next iteration include impact craters as
well? or is that a function that I just haven't spotted
Hello list,
intelligence Design is an attempt...although it is happening, so i am not
sure if attempt is a right word to bring the bible back into the classroom.
Something they not being very secret about.
This started a few years ago and they tried to pass it in Kansas court, they
couldnt
Well since the famous 'god thread' is back... (Where's Marcia when you
need her??)
Here's my take on the universe, I call it 'realistic fundamentalism'
The 'creationists et al' basically appear to say that life is too
amazing to have happened by pure chance, so in their view it must have
been
Hello all,
I thought I would recap DOrbigny for the benefit of the group.
Re:. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/coldorbigneyts.html
I wrote.,
One the best thin sections I have. OK, move over NWA 998, it is the best.
This is due to its prismatic augite crystals, often found twisted with
Hi, all --
Here's my two cents on Intellegent Design. It adopts the worst
aspects of science and religion, and ends up being bad science,
bad theology, and bad engineering.
Intellegent Design is bad science, because it makes no
testable predictions about how the universe does or did
On the subject of D'Orbigny TS's for sale, I only know of two sources.
Marvin Killgore, who has some beautiful TS's, for around $1000 and Steve
Arnold, Arkansas, who a person should e-mail if interested for details.
I got mine (indirectly, via another European collector) from David New
Steve Arnold from ARKANSAS, meteoritebroker, of course...!! :-)
Alex
---I wrote:---
I got mine (indirectly, via another European collector) from David New and
his slidemaker, for much less than $1000, but my source is sold out on this
special one. Whoever may be interested - I would suggest you
Hi
A buddy sent me this story and asked me if I knew which meteorite it refers to.
Anyone know if this is for real. Very intersting if it is true.
http://stardate.org/radio/program.php?f=detailid=2005-05-09
Strange Meteorites I
Scientists have long studied meteorites for clues to how our
Hello Alex and list,
Alex noted: Steve Arnold from ARKANSAS, meteoritebroker, of course...!!
:-)
Steve Arnold was my source and I paid much less then $1000.00. I mentioned
Killgore's price as it was a quote he gave me in Tucson. Some of you might
remember that big light display in his room.
Just my personal belief here, but I believe it was the egg that came
first. Life begins in it's simplest form.
JKG
At 11:45 PM 5/12/2005, d freeman wrote:
Ok, I bite, which came first, the chicken or the egg?
DF
drtanuki wrote:
Mr. Gwilliam and List,
It is the dreamers, the ones that ask
From my Mexico trip last month, I got a 285g Allende that was alledgedly
recovered a few days after the fall. A horrible fuzzy picture was in the
website
http://www.westernwelltool.com/trip-22APR05/morito.htm
I have better pictures below of the 285g Allende.
From the purple tint on the crust,
No, Einstein said:
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not
sure about the former.
- Original Message -
From: christopher sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 3:52 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Good
Hello all again,
Darren noted:
Actually, when I read the redefinition of science, I really don't have a
problem with it. The
change is from:
seeking natural explanations for what we observe around us,
to
continuing investigation that uses observation, hypothesis testing,
measurement,
On Fri, 13 May 2005 10:27:10 -0500, MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think most rational people like or at least don't mind the new definition.
However, do not be disillusioned that they are trying to teaching students
to be open minded. More so, one could not teach creationism under
Regarding the new theory of intelligent design that has suddenly become
prominent in Kansas (or was it Ohio), JKG's statement, of the egg-first
school
of thought whether unintentionally or not, can be quite consistent with it,
and isn't much different from the Intelligent Design's
Dear Paul, Dave and List:
I agree with my friend Dave Freeman's comments from yesterday but I'd
like to add to them.
If by some chance I had a hunch where I might
find some buried iron-shale, is it possible to find
highly weathered meteorite (iron-shale) with a
metal detector?
As long as there
Howdy
There is drastic, deep and fundamental conflict between evolution and
intelligent design. To be brief, intelligent design requires the
magical intervention of a deity. That's exactly what it is - magic.
It has no place in a science class.
Evolution will probably never be proven.
Dear Rob, Régis, Michel and List,
I agree that if there are legal issues involved with meteorite hunting in
certain areas, it should be brought up publicly instead of the
cloak-and-dagger secrecy. My only problem is with accurate information. I
have heard so many rumors in regards to the Oman
Hi list!
I know one of these unlucky guys, caught in the OMANIAN NIGHTMARE and now
have been released. I will meet him next week (on saturday). Maybe I`ve new
informations about it than
Ingo/Germany
--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: michel FRANCO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
An: 'Adam Hupe'
This is well worth the read to get an idea what science is up against. FYI:
Why do scientists get so angry when dealing with ID proponents?
http://www.csicop.org/list/listarchive/msg00482.html
Charles O'Dale
Meeting Chair
Ottawa RASC
http://www.ottawa.rasc.ca/astronomy/earth_craters/index.html
Sorry if this is a double post, my first did not seem to go through.
Dear Rob, Régis, Michel and List,
I agree that if there are legal issues involved with meteorite hunting in
certain areas, it should be brought up publicly instead of the
cloak-and-dagger secrecy. My only problem is with
Exactly what is meteoritic shale?. I have never heard this term
before.
Dear Steve:
Meteoritic shale (sometimes meteoric shale) is a term used to
describe a highly weathered iron meteorite. Weathering could be caused
by a meteorite having been on the earth for a very long period of time
Hi List,
I'm interested in acquiring a larger slice of DiOrbigny (not a thin
section) for my collection at a reasonable price (of course!). Any
ideas or offers, please contact me off list.
My collection interest is focused on trying to get representatives of
as many unique parent bodies as
Hi Mark and all,
I had originally planned to ignore this one - but for some reason,
as an educator and, specifically, as an Anthropologist, I am inspired
to make an observation.
First, let me proclaim my bias, as I feel every instructor should:
I believe in a higher power - just
I'm having a difficult time understanding how the idea of God and evolution
can not co-exist. It is almost like if you believe in God, you must also
believe creationism, or if you believe evolution as fact, you can not
believe in God.
Perhaps there are other definitions of intelligent design,
Michael L Blood wrote:
oh, don't forget the world rests on the back of a turtle!
Thomas Huxley was once confronted during one of his lectures by an elderly
woman who was an ardent supporter of the Theosophist version of the Hindu
cosmology of the world resting on the back of a turtle. He
Dear List,
Some are asking why I would bring up such a topic on the List. Frankly, I
am tired of the rumors spreading in the background and collectors quoting
the blog site. A lot of these rumors are false and more damaging than the
truth. The problem with secrecy is that nobody knows what is
make for an unlimited supply of turtle soup, eh?
- Original Message -
From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] An Anthropologist's
Hello Mark, Alex List,
I am the finder with my father of the angrite Sahara 99555 and have a
special offer on hight quality thin sections (some with microprobe polish)
for sale a reasonnable price, only $238, for those interested have a look to
http://www.meteorites.tv/contents/en-us/d70.html
Hello List,
About two months ago I asked this List were to acquire a pallasite men's
ring.
I received two answers to my question, both pointing to John Biagiotti of
Metamorphosisdesign in Ben Lomond CA ( www.metamorphosisdesign.com ).
I contacted John, and - if you are interested - look what
Hi list.I have decided to pull a mike cottingham on 5 of my auctions.The 5
pieces of sau 002 all have buy it nows on them.So this weekend I'll put a
50% off all 5 pieces.Just deduct half off and that is what you pay.Also if
my post on the springwater pallasite did not get thru it is 122.6 grams
Dear Adam, List;
I have a proven test case with my Rock Springs meteorite. State of
Wyoming and the Rock Springs District (and other districts in Wyoming)
have communicated with Arizona, and California and Nevada (and other
western states BLM offices) and have blessed me to keep my meteorite
Hello list,
Here is a link to some more logical information on why it should be
evolution that is taught in schools.
http://www.nap.edu/readingroom/books/evolution98/
Jake
- Original Message -
From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
List -
Did anyone notice in the provisional Met Bull 89 that someone found a 13.5 KILO
lunar in the Kalahari back in '99? Is that old news?
National Parks are off limits, but if I ran across a meteorite in the Nat'l
Parks of the desert I'd feel obligated to at least point it out to a University
I should mention that the word 'meteorite' only shows up in the federal
register in regards to Antartic collecting, where they are all consigned to
science - I am making a presumption that they fall under 'mineral specimen' or
'non-renewable resource' for the public lands.
-Original
Hi,
Now that things have cooled down a little...
Early on in this long thread, several people seemed to believe that Kansas
was where the famous 1925 Scopes Monkey Trial had taken place. Not so. That
honor goes to Dayton, Tennessee (The Buckle on the Bible Belt, as it's called
in the
On Fri, 13 May 2005 20:18:41 -0500, Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Early on in this long thread, several people seemed to believe that Kansas
was where the famous 1925 Scopes Monkey Trial had taken place. Not so. That
honor goes to Dayton, Tennessee (The Buckle on the Bible
Jamie,
The I.D. God, the God who created man in his image kind of God, would
never have considered building man through the prototyping process. Humm,
lets try some monocellular mud first. No..., lets try some multicellular
organisms. Humm, getting better, and on and on to the apes then
G'day List,
I was just reading through a section of 'Planetary Materials - Reviews in
Mineralogy, Volume 36' regarding Chondrules when one particular sentence
stuck out. It says:
A transient heating event melted the dustballs, and they were subsequently
cooled, initially at rates around hundreds
On Fri, 13 May 2005 19:14:24 -0400, Jeff Pringle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
List -
Did anyone notice in the provisional Met Bull 89 that someone found a 13.5
KILO lunar in the Kalahari back in '99? Is that old news?
I certainly didn't know that such a large lunar had ever been found. Even more
Wow, I just found a direct link between the Kansas ID debate and meteorite
collecting. In reading a
transcript of arguments from the public in support of ID, A man named Tony
Kostusik, who mentions
being a meteorite collector, gave a brief (and from what I can tell, utterly
incoherent and
Hey! I know that man. He's my monkeys' uncle.
Bill
-- Original message --
From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wow, I just found a direct link between the Kansas ID debate and meteorite
collecting. In reading a
transcript of arguments from the public in
Hi,
With all this talk of Angrites; I hope that some one can help me
find a sample of Angra dos Reis for my collection.
Thanks,
Peter Scherff
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MARK
BOSTICK
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:33 PM
I think that there is a bit of truth to all of it, Creation, Evolution and
Intellegent intervention/design.
Your examples of Fallen arches, acid reflux, cancer, failing eyesight are
not part of the design. They are the result of using a given design beyond
the operational envelope of the
Hello list,
This is what our Hon'ble President, a former
scientists has to say -
- science was born and survives only by questions.
Check this link for more details
http://www.presidentofindia.nic.in/childrengal.html
Wishes
Manoj Pai
Ahmedabad, India
It is the dreamers, the ones that ask
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