mah its many strange, this person its the unique
that it does not succeed to put messagges in a yahoo
group when the other there they succeedmistery
At 04:31 PM 8/2/2005, Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!
wrote:
Good evening list.This is the 3rd time I have tried
to post on yahoogroups
for
Hi,
I have a 5.45g lovely slice of Quinjingue for sale!
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d.harris580/Quijin5A.jpg
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d.harris580/Quijin5B.jpg
Any offers over $120 that can be paypalled promptly will be accepted!
thanks
dave
IMCA #0092
JK and List,
I LIKE the (legitimate) advertisements. It's good to know when new material
is available. In the August number of Meteorite magazine Norbert Classen
mentions how, late one night, an email on this list from John and Dawn
Birdsell led him to one of the gems of his already
this from a guy who has not known pluto was a planet for centuries?
Kashuba, Ontario, California wrote:
JK and List,
I LIKE the (legitimate) advertisements. It's good to know when new
material is available. In the August number of Meteorite magazine
Norbert Classen mentions how, late one
But...
The problem is: what is an offense, and how big of an offense is it, and
what should be done, and so forth. One can always argue about what offends, and
it's different for everybody.
As for arguing about an offense, the List seems capable of doing that on its
own just fine! Mr.
I have to agree with Sterling,
just delete it!
I have no problem deleting any of the ADs because I usually do not buy my
meteorites and mostly collect the ones I find myself.
ADs or people's post I am not interested in - delete!
Saves you a lot of time and frustrations! :-)
Good night, Moni
Hi, Everybody!
This original must have been too log. It didn't post. Here it is in
parts. Part One:
There is some intense behind-the-scenes maneuvering going on here.
In his initial press announcement, Brown spoke of 2003UB313 very much as
you would expect, in the jargon of the trade,
Hi, Everybody!
My original message must have been too long. It didn't post. Here it
is in parts.
Part Two:
My definition of a planet in my original post (WHAT IS A PLANET?)
was as follows: if it goes around the Sun and is demonstrably larger
than Ceres, IT'S A PLANET.
As for
Sterling W. wrote:
Then, there would then be three classes of planets: the Terrestrial,
the Jovian, and the Plutonian planets.
Hola Sterling; I'm on board with just one reservation. With all this
hullabaloo going on about with Pluto in the spotlight and reticence to accept
these
huge,
http://www.spacerocksinc.com/August3.html
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Hi, Everybody!
I said:
Notice the logical completeness of this three-fold definition. It
is, when stripped bare, essentially this:
1) ALL rock,
2) ALL volatiles, and
3) significant admixtures of rock AND volatiles (half and half or
whatever it happens to be).
Of course,
Hello All,
When you guys go through your collection and you get to that little iron
known as Taza, Do you label it as Taza or NWA 859? Is one preferred over
another?
Hi
For me its Taza, not matter what Met Bulletin say. To be correct I have on
my labels written: Taza (NWA859). But NWA859
Hi, Everybody!
I said:
Water ice we think we know, but we don't. We only know Ice I, weak
pitiful stuff, quite ephemeral. Each Ice has radically different
properties from Ice I and from each other, different densities, melting
and boiling points, atomic structure. Each is a remarkable
Hi Cj,
as desert irons are very rare - commonly they are reffered to with their
proper names, rather than with their number.
Especially with Taza, everybody says Taza and knows immediately, which
meteorite is meant. NWA859 takes a cerebral second longer as it sounds
similar with the ubiquist
Just DELETE. Jerry
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From: moni waiblinger-seabridge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from
herenow!Thank you!
I have to
I DIG IT. Jerry
- Original Message -
From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:29 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Repost: PLANETS, PART ONE
Hi, Everybody!
This original must have been
The word planet is simply not a scientific word, it is a cultural word.
- Mike Brown, leader of the 10th planet discovery team
Certainly. And I would say the cultural definition is obviously:
A hermetical place.
I find more planets in actual use than 9:
Drivers Planet, Animal Planet,
The reason NASA ADS doesn't turn up anything is because this is a virtually
unstudied meteorite, so there is no scientific literature on it. In fact,
ADS gives one hit on the proper name, Northwest Africa 859, and three
hits on Taza; all of these hits are to popular literature. If and when
Taza is certainly a proper name, linguistically, but not an officially
recognized one.
It refers to a geographical place (no matter, whether it was found there or
not) following or imitating the usage to name meteorites after a
geographical name of a place of a find,
thus certainly different, then
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 02:11:55 -0500, Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Three, he's IN THE RIGHT here. I happen to agree with this myself and
I thought so before I ever heard Brown's name. I said to my self, I said,
Self, if it's twice as big as Pluto (a planet), then it's a planet!
COOL!
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From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:18 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Repost: PLANETS, PART THREE, Sort of...
Hi, Everybody!
I said:
Notice the
Two, 2003UB313 IS a planet under the rules that were in effect at
the time of discovery.
There is no formal definition for a planet, and that it the crux of the
problem. The IAU will be providing a formal definition soon.
You don't change the rules after the game is over
because you
But should the soap fit in the box or should the box be fitting for the
soap??
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From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to
John, Sterling and all,
John, first I would like to mention that I am selective in reading
what is posted to the list. I delete almost all posts that start with AD
and those from the Italian Scallion (he who must not be named), and
those that are on a string that does not interest me. That
Hi, Martin,
See, I knew there were more than nine planets!
Some of these planets sound interesting. Do you suppose the Planet Reseller
has a good stock of used Planets?
I guess we all live on Planet Internet. I know I live on Planet Bluegrass
and Planet DOBRO sometimes.
And to
Hello
anyone have contact with Zelimir Gabelica ?
You not answering my emails.
Can You send me detail about this man from Poland ?
and
Dave Mouat from Reno in Nevada. Anyone know what happend to him ?
He ordered meteororites and dissapear.
-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
Hi Captain, John, Sterling,
perhaps John wanted to express that what,
I guess, Laotse said:
An ingrown toenail can suck more than a broken leg.
Planet Buckleboo
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From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List
Hello Michael and List,
Thanks for your post, Michael. I totally agree with
you on these points:
...but all all, the bottom line is Art has done
one hell of a job with this list...
(Thank you , Art!)
...but resign the list because you can't control
yourself and must read
..the metlist is full of threads regarding SSteve and other people's
likes/dislikes of him/his contributions/ his ads c..
one email from him starts a torrent of the usual complaints from the same
people.
Let it go. It's boring.
Just delete the emails if you find them 'offensive'!
My only
I suggested Persephone.
http://www.newscientistspace.com/channel/solar-system/dn7776
Join the battle of the planet names
12:51 02 August 2005
NewScientist.com news service
Sean O'Neill
Imagine your excitement if you discovered a new planet. The privilege of
suggesting its name would
be
Thanks for your input Michael, I always enjoy your perspective.
Maybe you misunderstood what I said about my issues with the list. I don't
read every post. In fact, I delete close to 50% of what's on the list
automatically. I may be wrong here, but I think the off-topic content of
this
I did forget to mention in my prior posts that Art has done a superlative
job with the Meteorite List. Thank you Art for all the effort you've made
to bring the meteorite community closer together.
Best,
John Gwilliam
At 09:35 AM 8/3/2005, Robert Woolard wrote:
Hello Michael and List,
Hi again, I have loaded 70 meteorites on ebay, I recently bought a small
collection and loaded some rare micros, and many other larger pieces. Around
$15,000 in meteorites up for grabs tonight, high bids take them home.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6549092171
Check this
on 8/3/05 9:39 AM, Martin Altmann at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Captain, John, Sterling,
perhaps John wanted to express that what,
I guess, Laotse said:
An ingrown toenail can suck more than a broken leg.
Planet Buckleboo
---
Lao Tse said that, eh?
Michael
Hi, Darren,
Brown wanted Persephone, too. But it's taken, years ago, by a MINOR planet.
ORCUS, a Greek name for the Afterlife is already taken by another really
big KBO, 2000DW. Eurydice?
Elysium? Minos? Hades? The Underworld names seems too negative for a happy
object. They may all
I have discussed this issue with many people in private at the Tucson show,
and came to one conclusion. The vast majority of people on this list prefer
the meteorite ads, including eBay ads. Most people, like myself included
have little time to search through thousands of daily eBay auctions,
MARS GLOBAL SURVEYOR IMAGES
July 28 - August 3, 2005
The following new images taken by the Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) on
the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft are now available:
o South Polar Variety (Released 28 July 2005)
http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/07/28
o Sedimentary Rock
yes but not a AD every minute of the auctions on Ebay,
I put e email of ebay auction when start and when
ended, here I see many put tons of Ebay AD every day,
and is too much this
Matteo
--- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha
scritto:
I have discussed this issue with many people in
private
Francis,
What's wrong with teaching kids the actual facts, even if they aren't
readily conducive to pigeon-holing?
David
Francis Graham wrote:
Dear List,
One thing is certain. If the IAU doesn't come up
with SOME definition of planet, both the number and
names of planets will vary from
Hi, Ron,
You'll notice that I put quotes around the word rules.
Yes, there is no formal definition for a planet. There never has been, only
a
working understanding of what was meant.
There were differences; it has been a topic of discussion. But, there are
working rules, by which I
Dear List Members,
In an effort to bring New, Rare and Interesting meteorites to the meteorite
world, I too, run sales every week under my eBay seller name, naturesvault.
I usually have something new and rare to offer each week but have relaxed a
bit for a few weeks as I have friends visiting
--- David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Francis,
What's wrong with teaching kids the actual facts,
even if they aren't
readily conducive to pigeon-holing?
My old lunar friend Dave brings up something very
important. It IS MUCH BETTER to allow students to
decide what a planet is in
Hi, Ron,
You'll notice that I put quotes around the word rules.
You also referred to is a game, which is not. Any classification scheme can
be revised - and in fact, should be allowed to be revised when new data
presents itself.
Yes, there is no formal definition for a planet.
Hi All,
How 'bout planet Bumble, after the term of endearment for the Abominable
Snow Monster from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer? ;-) --R
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Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite
Hi Darren,
I suggested Mianus for it's comical value and Revolution #9 because Pluto's
not really a planet and The Beatles deserve it.
Best Regards,
Mike Reynolds IMCA#8127
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Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 12:57:54 -0400
From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
Hi List ,
All of the ebay adds, last chance, reminders, relay stink . The list
should get back to new meteorites and meteorite hunting stories . I
stand with Dave and John .
Sonny
-Original Message-
From: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Steve Arnold,
Hello List,
Mike Farmer makes a lot of good points in his email
below. I would add that the Ad posts could be looked
upon as sort of a heads-up for some great items a
lot of the time. If any member personally doesn't want
to take the time to open an Ad, it takes about, what,
1/2- 1 second to
Hello Listoids,
Help me out here!!
A friend of mine came up to me today with the story he bought a 450 grams
Italian iron?? For now i just can't think of what this one can be.
All i can imagine that Irons from Italy are rare and only available in
small fragments.
He told me he got it from an (for
Jan wrote:
A friend of mine came up to me today with
the story he bought a 450 grams Italian iron
I wonder whether it's a piece of the Barbianello, unusually Ni-rich, ungrouped
ataxitic IAB-IIICD iron - *very* unlikely though but who knows. Unlikely because
there are only 860 grams and the
Hello
The unique italian iron meteorites its Bagnone - all
in museum - Barbianello - few pieces in the market -
Umbria ( no official name ) - in my hands in analysis
- Masua and not others now, probably this is a new
italian iron not analyzed but your friend have to take
informations from the
The main mass of Barbianello its in Milan Museum and
few pieces its available - I have a piece in my
collection traded from a University and I know of
another piece sold outside Italy
Matteo
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:
Jan wrote:
A friend of mine came up to me today with
the story
Hi Rob,
Yea, that's the one! He got his teeth removed by the wanna-be dentist elf.
I forgot the elph's name, but a moon could certainly be named after him.
Good choice.
-Walter
-
- Original Message -
From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/moon_earth_020723.html
Moon Holds Earth's Ancient Secrets
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 07:00 am ET
23 July 2002
Tons of rocks and dust long ago blasted from Earth by
asteroid impacts lay on the Moon's surface and could
hold secrets
Hi list,
is this kind of posts also to mark with AD?
A client of mine is looking for cleaned, shiny-shiny silvery Nantans:
500g of minute chips of 1.5mm - 2.5mm size
750g of fragments of 2-4 grams.
Please contact me, if you have such stuff for sale (I never sold Nantans).
Thanks
Martin
Hi, All
First, the definition of a planet.
As for the lack of a formal definition of what is a planet, the IAU website
says:
Definition of a Planet: The IAU notes the very rapid pace of discovery of
bodies
within the Solar system over the last decade and so our understanding of
Thanks so far Bernd and Matteo,
It was also hard to imagine for me there was one avalable this size!!
I guess he just got himself a fake Italian but stillit's a real piece
of spacejunk alright for little money, so still a good deal i think!!
Thanks you guys
Jan
Jan wrote:
A friend of
But its confirmed is a meteorite.any information
where have buy etc...?
Matteo
--- Jan Bartels [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:
Thanks so far Bernd and Matteo,
It was also hard to imagine for me there was one
avalable this size!!
I guess he just got himself a fake Italian but
Hi, All,
Brian Marsden, in the article below:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050802_planet_definition.html
is quoted as saying if the Stern definition of a planet
were used (everything spherical that goes 'round its star
and doesn't fusion inside), we'd have 24 planets.
Marsden
Hola Rob and list,
Planet X was already named Pluto! This has to be at least Planet Y:) After
considerable thought, I've decided to nickname the new planet the Mushroom
Planet. Likewise, my scientific one word name shall be Basidium, if
Basidium-X isn't politically correct with the
Yup...it's a true meteorite alright but for me it just looks like a
(new)Campo.
He bought it from an unknown mineral dealer who doesn't know to much about
meteorites.
Chiao!!
Jan
But its confirmed is a meteorite.any information
where have buy etc...?
Matteo
--- Jan Bartels [EMAIL
If you have received this month's Meteorite Magazine, there is an article in
there about John Wasson, and he says that he often receives pieces of campo
from people who swear they found it themselves. I would be extremely
skeptical until you get it cut and etched, then classified.
Mike Farmer
Brian Marsden, in the article below:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050802_planet_definition.html
is quoted as saying if the Stern definition of a planet
were used (everything spherical that goes 'round its star
and doesn't fusion inside), we'd have 24 planets.
Marsden
Ron B. wrote:
Incidently, if you demote Pluto from being a planet, then the
definition for a planet becomes much easier. If you include
Pluto as a planet, then the definition is going to get
more complicated.
Complicated it can be, not dumbed down, with or without Pluto. Arbitrary
And one other way... they can simply refuse to define planet at all, since
there is no need to do so. But that would be too simple.
Chris
*
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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From: Ron Baalke
Any classification scheme can
be revised - and in fact, should be allowed to be revised when new data
presents itself.
If Earth suddenly was catapulted into a
25 degree inclination ...would it cease being a planet?
No. The classification scheme will be revised to accomodate any new data.
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:14:22 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If Earth were catapulted into the Kuiper Belt would it cease being a planet?
An even better question (IMHO) is-- if a KBO were to be brought in to 1 AU,
would it still be
concidered a planet? What about a few years later when half
Doug, Sterling, and all you other amazing brains,
(Deity or planetary name of your choice), it's good to
to listen to you guys with IQs in the clouds. Some
people do word-searches or crosswords to exercize
their brains. For some of us, it's the MetList.
Thanks (and Garcias to you, Doug---)
Darren G. wrote:
if a KBO were to be brought in to 1 AU, would it still be
concidered a planet? What about a few years later when
half (give or take) of it had sublimated
away and left nothing but a ring of rubble?
Great balls of Fire! Meteorite heaven and a lot of new iridium
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:12:01 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Darren, if we swapped Uranus with Earth something similar to what you
envision might happen to Uranus at 1 AU as well...though your point is a good
one
to mull over...
I haven't done the math on it (and to be honest, would have to do
An ingrown toenail??? Our problem is more like a goiter that needs lanced.
Art...do you need a scalpel?
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/search.aspx?q=goiters
Dave A, I just may be right behind ya.
JD
-- Original message from Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Thank you Michael, I often look forward to your and other List member ads.
Were It not for you and guys like you I'd have precious little in the way of
Ites that I had confidence in. When I'm poor or not in the mood I just
delete.
Jerry Flaherty
PS I thought the commercial end of the List was
Thanks to all who gave their opinions on NWA 859/Taza.
Cj
IMCA# 3432
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Gee, I guess there's only ONE planet. yipee I made it to the right
one, whissu! that was close.
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From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Darren Garrison
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL
Aye Dave and Francis, Jerry
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From: Francis Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Meteorites meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Planet Definition
--- David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Francis,
In Roman mythology, Pluto (Greek: Hades) is the god of the underworld. The
planet received this name (after many other suggestions) perhaps because
it's so far from the Sun that it is in perpetual darkness and perhaps
because PL are the initials of Percival Lowell.
Greg Redfern
NASA JPL Solar
Barely an hour to go on several thousand in meteorites, many at pennies
on the dollar.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6549092171
Check this baby out! Show me a large Zag individual for one cent start!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6549165073
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 20:39:49 -0500, AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Tom and all,
In Reality Pluto wasn't named after the cartoon character, rather it was
a name picked out by the discover (and staff at Lowell) and having
something to do with the afterlife. I'm not sure if the Dog
What if nobody wants to live on the 13th planet
Who write your stand up stuff? Man you're a riot
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From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:13 PM
Subject:
http://www.snopes.com/science/mars.asp
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Hi All,
This rehash of what REALLY happened in 2003 has been making the rounds
for several months now. I figured it was only a matter of time before
it was forwarded here. (I actually first received it ~3 months ago from
somebody very high up at Boeing, if you can believe it.)
Mars ~was~
If Earth suddenly was catapulted into a
25 degree inclination ...would it cease being a planet?
Not necessarily, but there wouldn't be any controversy cause there'd be no
one left the testify to anything!!!
Jerry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
List,
Bob`s message went to the bulk mailbox on Yahoo, so
some members may not have seen his posting. Thanks Bob
for the posting. Dirk Ross...Tokyo
--- Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Watch for Mars next month.
The Red Planet is about to be spectacular!
This month and next, Earth is
HUUUM, Al, it sounds complicated but that's what a subject area does,
doesn't it?
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From: AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
I Like it Greg! Jerry
- Original Message -
From: Greg Redfern [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'AL Mitterling' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
List,
Anyone up for a chat in Mark Bostick`s chatroom?
Dirk Ross
Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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All,
I've been getting calls on this. Newspapers are
reporting that Mars will appear as large as the moon!
Note that the story Bob forwarded says:
((At a modest 75-power magnification )) Mars will
look as large as the full moon to the naked eye.
That first part is pretty important. The moon
Norm,
See my follow-up post. This event ALREADY HAPPENED. However,
I agree with you about the original post being very misleading
(w.r.t. Mars appearing as large as the Full Moon under 75x).
Most laypeople pay no attention to that under modest magnification
bit -- they really think/thought Mars
Same old same old S**T
The list will never change. Steve will be Steve and not get kicked off for
it.
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah.Whine Whine Whine Criticize Criticize Criticize
rationalize Rationalize Ratiionalize
End Result = Same Old S**T
I didnt read through all of the crap but. I
Hi Al and everyone,
The name Pluto was suggested by 11-year-old Venetia Burney of
England who had been reading a popular-level book on mythology at
the time. The article about Pluto's discovery appeared in the Times
newspaper (March 14, 1930 edition) and her grandfather, who worked
at Oxford,
Hello List
Check out this fireball video.
Looks likes a daylight fireball.
Anyone knows anything about it, there or when?
http://www.wackyvids.com/movies/general/283/meteor.html
or
Wacky Vids web site
http://www.wackyvids.com/
pick Meteor
Keith V.
Chandler, AZ.
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:50:18 -0700, Arizona Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello List
Check out this fireball video.
Looks likes a daylight fireball.
Anyone knows anything about it, there or when?
http://www.wackyvids.com/movies/general/283/meteor.html
Looks highly fake to me.
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