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Hi Sterling, Doug, all,
The human eye wants to see a human landscape, same as
the human mind does. Mars does not have one of these.
I remember how disappointed I was when the Viking 1
images were returned.
I see that my summary of the problem as being one
equation with two variables was about
light color at the same time is a good
question. I think its a problem in two variables, with
only one equation, they way they've set it up.
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sheds.
Oh well.
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to fly a few men to Mars as something of a
waste of money.
In the meantime, China's manned Moon program is
focused on this like a laser.
What's wrong with this picture?
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during the conquest, and all
of this is often completely ignored or belittled by
those blinded by their lust for meteorites.
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the crater count
clock throughout the solar system, and once the
neutron and proton production are sorted out, and the
percents and travel times to other bodies, a pretty
good one.
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again, Perhaps) the reason for the
identical dates for the tektites is an identical date
for the parent body, which is what they are formed
from, and not the age of the Earth's crust, as they
are not formed from that material. But Elton can speak
to large impact mechanics better than I can.
E.P
Hi all -
Since the Moon has no atmosphere to slow impacting
bodies, whatever the source, this idea is a
non-starter.
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that the impactor may provide much of the material for
tectites.
Of course, if the NASA budget was not controlled by
Mars nuts, we might have some answers to those
important questions by now.
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on the back plane would
account for them. What was vaporizing is a really good
question.
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Elton, you're not the only one having problems with
the math - Dr. Alvarez had problems with it as well,
and given that he was one of the nations top nuclear
physicists, that's damn hard math.
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Date:Mon, 04 Jan 1999 04:03:44 -0500
From:Elton Jones
Hi all -
How do you pronounce Willamette?
Easy. You call it Tomanowo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willamette_Meteorite
Either tom-a-no-wo or to-ma-no-wo is an acceptable
pronunciation.
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, the impactor was carbonaceous
chondrite, i.l. comet, and K-T fossil meteorite
showed that. Has this changed?
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known densities and crater size, estimate
your velocity.
That said, the idea of using osmium ratios as a way of
detecting impacts to have occurred looks valid.
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what we know of asteroids and comets, smaller
chunks of a primary impactor impacting at the same
time might be a more viable hypothesis.
Any thoughts, anyone?
good hunting all,
(d is too close to f with my stroke, and goof is
as good a word as good to a spell checker.)
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Hi all -
Given the fall of the US dollar against the Euro, it
would seem to me that US meteorites, as well as
meteorites imported earlier into the US, might now be
relatively cheap for individuals with non-dollar
funds.
goof hunting all,
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, the Maya recorded the birth of the First
Maize Revealer Partitioner as occurring on 16 June,
3,122 BCE.
(MIIA, page 97)
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Hi all -
I wonder what effect the rotation of the Earth plays
in the distribution of the tektites from their impact
crater. Their trip must take some time, and the Earth
must rotate under them during that time.
Any ideas?
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. I don't what kind of
price you'd want to put on those smiles.
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impact.
Why? In the end, we get down to the disappearance of
Clovis, and more significantly, the abandonment of
quarries - in other words, about 95% of the population
dying.
Impact fits the bill. If anyone else has any other
explanation then I hope they share it.
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damaged so many dealers in
doing so. Could you provide more details on the
transactions? Did he return the meteorites he had
contracted for, but not sold? Or did he simply decide
not to take acceptance?
Oh well, a sad end to Cornell's curator of meteorites.
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Hi Mike -
I suppose if you checked with NASA, you might be able
to add consultant to NASA on the meteorite market or
something similar to your resume. -
good hunting, all
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--- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By the way, I have appraised
impacts in the south, the east, the west, and finally
the north, taken from points around the location of
modern Cincinatti.
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you hunts
to stop fooling around so much
with Mars, and use some of the money to place a really
good probe in the belt instead.
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--- Matson, Robert D. wrote:
Hi E.P.,
It's a wonder how we end up with asteroids
fragmented into meteoroids
in the first place
are not
instead cyclic, in other words come from intercepting
recurring debris streams from asteroids?
Along those lines, why are meteor showers (comet
debris stream intercepts) annual, and not cyclic on
another basis?
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--- Matson, Robert D. wrote:
Hi E.P.,
While many have taken a look at annual fall
patterns, I have often wondered if some meteorite
falls are not instead cyclic, in other words come
from intercepting recurring debris streams from
asteroids?
So far there is no (strong) evidence for
on a re-entry paths.
But now there's no time for that.
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PS 1 - I received a nice note that German and Russian
meteorite search teams had worked the Nazca desert
areas with little results - oh well.
PS 2 - Free meteorites? of course I took a look
be nasty now, if you want...
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Michael Casper let me handle one of the first new
martian meteorites back in 1999, and my sudden
understanding of exactly what 1/3 Earth's gravity
really means.
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to be that all that
the rovers are imaging is the surface layer, which is
simply loaded with impact products, all covered with
iron compounds from iron impactors.
So Mars may be the red planet - but only on its
surface.
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joined the meteorite list trying to find out if any
remains from this fall had been recovered in Israel.
For devout Jews and Christians, this would be the
ultimate hammer to possess. You can imagine the price
per gram.
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the Jensens were selling boxes with
many types of micro mounts.
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Hi -
The Barringer crater visitor center had some nice
little bagged pieces - $2-$3? a bag, with slip.
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for extremely
reasonable prices, we all know that the supply of
lunar and martian specimens is likely to lessen once
NWA is hunted out.
So I would like to ask that you folks keep these
little
ones in mind as you currently prepare lunar and
martian specimens, if you are not doing so already.
E.P
Hi all -
After my note, I received this request - perhaps one
of you preparers out there may be able to help.
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mr. Grondine,
My wife teaches science classes and uses my CD
meteorite but Lunar/Martian dust/chips
publication, the
dealing's done.
Most of the most important part what goes on does not
go on publicly on this list, but rather by private
messages.
The technique in general is called message traffic
analysis, or traffic analysis.
But all of this is just my opinion, and I've had a
stroke.
E.P
- some
of the manned Mars enthusiasts (note their age - most
of them were raised with the concept of an Earth-like
Mars) are simply trying to reposition themselves after
the failure of their neo-conservative allies.
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Hi all -
Thanks Gran - absolutely right, and we've seen paired
asteroids.
Oh well. That seems to leave ground identification of
impactors with the Earth as about the only way of
splitting out cometary impactors.
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--- G�ran Axelsson [EMAIL
, and have paired.
But as a general principle, don't comets impact at
higher speeds than asteroids? Without spectroscopic
imagery of great detail, or ground samples from the
Moon, could not the craters themselves reflect those
higher speeds?
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Jeanne wrote:
I was also wondering if your book mentions anything
about Native American
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:52:09 +0200
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Jeanne wrote:
I was also wondering if your book mentions anything
about
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:51:43 +0200
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Jeanne wrote:
I was also wondering if your book mentions anything
about Native American
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:57:14 +0200
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Jeanne wrote:
I was also wondering if your book mentions anything
about Native American usage of
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:52:26 +0200
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Jeanne wrote:
I was also wondering if your book mentions anything
about Native American
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:53:03 +0200
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Jeanne wrote:
I was also wondering if your book mentions anything
about Native American
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Hi all -
Unless someone has a disintegration mechanism for
stoney, stoney iron, and iron impactors before they
hit -
Then one hypothesis would be that any time you have a
crater chain, it would be from cometary impact.
Are there studies of crater chains on Earth which
indicate what hit?
E.P
of flux and accretion.
I am wondering, do any of the spectrographic
instruments have sufficient resolution to even give a
hint as to what hit, asteroid or comet?
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of museums...
etc...
Or maybe one page pointing to the best pages on the
net where this information already has been
assembled... It would be nice if the IMCA put up an
official one.
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Hi all-
Before the recoveries of meteorites from the deserts
of NWA, the supply of meteorites relative to the
market meant that prices were so high that many types
of meteorites were unaffordable to many. This
particularly includes pieces of Mars and the Moon.
good hunting,
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is working on the coastal
Atlantic sequence.
The rebuttal team also graciously ignored the peppered
mammoth tusks, but then these are clearly from a
separate iron impact event.
good hunting,
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there might be C14.
But does the solar wind or interspace contain C14?
Two questions on my mind. First do irons contain C14?
Second, does anyone have a fine scale chart of real
C14 production from about 3,114 BCE on?
good hunting all,
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--- Mr EMan [EMAIL
Hi all -
Well, here's a subject where I can REALLY get into
trouble...(as if I don't have enough already)
Has anyone out there ever tried to craft or sell
meteorite bearing rings for women?
E.P. (ducking for cover)
. The hunt for the arctic
irons is on, and good luck to all.
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- they
went white. I suppose one could extend the observed
visible, x-ray and gamma ray production to estimate
photon production at the 7-40 MeV level.
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The only remaining way that I see is by photo
spallation of atoms by high energy photons.
Typically photons
days are retiring
as well.
How are the foreign labs doing?
good hunting,
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I know that many of the Arizona meteorite hunters had
loyalties to University of Arizona and/or Arizona
State University in the past. Several years ago, it
wasn't unusual to get
-to-death cold water.)
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-to-death cold water.)
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are freeing up neutrons and
protons, then this may affect a number of isotopic
data from meteorites...
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will be working over the next months
to try to get their costs down.
have a great show anyway,
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involved, we've all
watched the photons given off by meteors traveling at
cosmic speeds. If I remember right, those photons come
from excited electrons - as does the electrophorenic
sound discussed so many times here on the list over
the years.
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of my working theories is that
hyper-velocity impacts are releasing high energy
neutrons and protons.
Another working theory of mine is that earlier iron
impacts can be used as models to try and find more
data from other large iron impacts.
--Rob
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, if not a
likelyhood.
We had freezing sleet blowing horizontal here the
other day in Illinois, and my guess is its going to be
several months before Alaska becomes accessible...
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PS - I don't remember exactly the 1.8 psi range of
death by blast
at that date, some of
the peoples' memories of which I have repeated here
from my book.
good hunting, and Merry Christmas,
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of other cometary dust veils to work from, for
which see the Cambridge Conference archives for the
period preceding 2004.
The 10,900 BCE climate estimate is confirmed by
mega-fauna die off and observed quarry utilization,
and once again, that is hard data.
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are released at the same time as the
neutrons for the C14 production, by the impacts, but
then they probably have newer terms for all of this
nowadays.
Bottom Line: iron impactor, roughly a little larger
than the one that hit at Barringer.
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spherule spread is
representative, scale the impact by the C14
calibration chart, and that may give a rough idea of
the range to be looked at. There's that 1 find from
Siberia as well, which might indicate direction.
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--- Sterling K. Webb
Hi all,
Since the one in this post refers to me, I feel a
need to respond.
What has consistently irritated me is Jason putting
words about airburst into my mouth. When I say
airburst, you know it.
For example, when I say arrogant racist, you know
it.
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are releasing neutrons, particularly impacts
between parent bodies, then a whole lot of formation
timing is going to have to be looked at again.
In other words, every isotopic clock would (will) have
to be re-checked.
Sterling K. Webb
good hunting, all
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a hemisphere.
All that we have to work with are the radio-dating
calibration charts and the impacts.
Its springtime in Antarctica, so the meteorite hunters
there must be busy at work.
good hunting all,
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How about more quote? The rock the researchers
between paradigms is not the sort of
battle that can be resolved by proof. (SSR, p. 148).'
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about the
dynamics of an impact and meteoritics in general, I
really don't see how you can honestly persist in your
ramblings.
ahem.
Oh - and I will admit; I'll perpetuate this damn
thread as long as you agree to do the same by posting
a reply.
good hunting, all
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generated neutrons,
synthesizing C14 and skewing C14 data. Hy-larious.
Actually, Darren, that's creating C14, not
synthesizing it, and yes the radio-dating
calibration charts seem to indicate that neutrons may
be released in hyper-velocity impacts.
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on paradigm shift.
good hunting, all
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END
If you stopped lying - and maybe started obeying
the
laws of physics, scientific method, not to mention
basic logic, we might get somewhere.
Thanks for the compliment, Jason. I don't think we
are going
to me there should be as many specimens coming
out of the desert of Australia as from NWA
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, and that this results in
higher C14, then from the radio-calibration correction
charts Firestone cited, the mammoth peperrer impact
crater, should it still exist, should be less than a
mile across.
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to be weak.
Because you're misunderstanding just about everything
I say?
No, see my comment on my communication skills, above.
It's for a different reason.
good hunting all,
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to be possible after
all, as here is a point on which Jason and I agree!
Lord Keynes:
When the facts change I change my mind.
What do you do, sir?
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impacts, two different impactors. One
that killed some mammoth, and another one that
extincted them. Two impacts.
good hunting all,
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PS - I think we all remember the unusual Canadian
meteorite laws, and the sorry situation which occurred
in recovering the Tagish Lake fall. This means an
adventurous time for anyone going after the mammoth
pepperer, though certainly nothing to produce as
exciting accounts as South
,
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, and the people on this list find them and
trade them and study them intensely. Right now there
is the very exciting possibility of large irons
hammers coming on the market. It looks like the Nakla
dog is going to get some great competition.
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crater, or that there may have been an
ice impact?
Fifthly, about the best sceptical comment made here at
the meteorite list was the one about sparks from
welding. But then that hypothesis was shot down by the
observed bone healing, and the sample from Siberia,
so...
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and the peppered tusks,
instead of on the comet impact which killed about 90%
of the people living in North America at the time.
Most died due to hunger. But then, there's not likely
to be any strewn field from that, and nothing to trade
except impactites.
Good hunting,
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, a maximum speed
for air entry.
That's my guess at what is being looked at, nothing
more exotic than that. Where did these peppered tusks
come from?
PS - there was another major impact around 8,350 BCE
which ended the paleo period.
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the point of impact of vaporized and
condensed iron spherules? And thus tusks peppered but
not crushed?
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Hi all -
Looks to me like vaporization of impactor, the bits
falling back to ground several hundred kilometers
away.
I think there will be a search for an iron impact in
that range. Maybe survivals of fossil irons, ala
Canyon Diablo, but Canada is not as dry as Arizona.
we'll see...
E.P
remember.
I could use a small piece for educational purposes.
PS - My vote for martian grail has to go with strope's
NWA. It will be interesting to see what the scientists
find in it.
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