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From: Greg Hupe
To: meteoritelist
Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 3:39:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 reasons to record meteorite coordinates
Hello All,
I thought I would share this tiny snap shot in time of how and why taking GPS
coordinates are important for hunters and the scien
a catastrophe.
Best,
Martin
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Gesendet: Freitag, 12. März 2010 23:07
An: Greg Stanley; meteoritelist
Betreff: Re: [meteorit
Hello All,
I thought I would share this tiny snap shot in time of how and why taking
GPS coordinates are important for hunters and the science of collecting and
studying meteorite finds. Here are images of three different meteorite
individuals found within 100 feet of each other over a 2-day p
Greg,
Sorry but I guess I wasn't clear with my point.
I certainly agree 100% that hunters have a lot to gain by publishing co-ord
information. And The late great O Richard Norton did a great job in everything
he published. But.
My question was ; what does Science of the future care about this?
> Who, Where, When, what and Why do you think Scientists want this
> information?
Scientists who want to understand strewn fields
In publications
Books - "Field Guide to meteorites"
> Who holds this information?
Met list
Anyone who wants to compile the information and perhaps write an
Mark,
You said;
"If they know recording the data that scientist
want, they would do it to help out."
Who, Where, When, what and Why do you think Scientists want this
information?
Who holds this information?
Where is this information to be found and or published?
When do you put it there?
W
To get back to the subject of land in the American West, if we wait for
centuries or even a few decades before scientifically hunting an area, we lose
meteorites because of urban development. That isn't happening in NWA for the
most part, but it is here. Look at Gold Basin. There is a lot of
Dear List Members,
Jason Wrote;
"But we would find them eventually if we kept looking, and we would
probably find more if we decided to hunt the areas thoroughly. But we
do not know where NWA 5000, 482, 011, etc were found, so we cannot
look for more."
My statement is we do know where NWA 5000
the rest of your life :-)
Best!
Martin
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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. März 2010 21:09
An: Martin Altmann; Eric Wichman; Meteorite-list
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 reasons to record meteorite coordinates
; Meteorite-list
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 reasons to record meteorite coordinates
Hello Eric, Martin, All,
I'll address Eric's message first:
>Though I appreciate you enthusiasm your logic isn't that, well, realistic
for good solid scientific data, especially when it comes t
n of private sector and
> science.
> The scientists made available every data about the possible strewnfield to
> anyone who wanted to search - and only with the manpower of these private
> hunters and laymen the three stones could finally have been recovered.
>
> Task forces for new
se meteorite scientist felt a need to occupy himself with trying
to find the first possible Suisse fall after 80 years?
And like that, it's quite everywhere.
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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. März 2010 14:45
An: M
Jason,
Though I appreciate you enthusiasm your logic isn't that, well,
realistic for good solid scientific data, especially when it comes to
new falls which will most likely become the centerpiece of meteoritics
in the years to come. It's already BIG news every time there's a new
fall somewhe
Good morning Martin,
???
I'm still not too sure of what you are saying but I'm trying my best. I have
reread your post several times and I think I'm understanding more of it the
more I read it, but I'm not too sure how Jason fits into all this as I didn't
mention him at all (?). Sorry if I se
uation. I do not lie about my
coordinates, and I do catalog, map and photograph insitu pictures. You've seen
my photobucket so I don't know why you brought it up.
[Erik]
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> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:15:10 -0800
> Subject: Re: [meteo
t hasn't any other problems grave
> enough, that they had the leisure to invent a law for meteorites
>
> Maybe a self-regulating system? If now less than a new meteorite per year is
> found in Australia, maybe the laws there are recognized to be obsolete and
> will be cancelled?
>
bal meteorite laws debate would come to
the conclusion, that this all is a very very silly thing, I suppose.
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le mass to the university but kilos of material is just going to end up in
> storage or traded to some other meteorite dealer or hunter. I would however,
> respect you for hunting and donating 100% of your material to a university.
>
> [Erik]
>
>
>>> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:52:
I would however,
respect you for hunting and donating 100% of your material to a university.
[Erik]
>> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:52:33 -0500
>> From: cdtuc...@cox.net
>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; robert.d.mat...@saic.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 5
Of course Jack S. didn't do anything wrong. He is a model of what a meteorite
hunter should be. He did everything right and then some. I suppose giving out
the coordinates is like filling out your S.S. numbers on a loan app. It's
something required if you want something done. Of course, what d
Carl added:
> In my opinion the need for this info is outweighed by the
> harm it causes.
I fail to see any harm whatsoever in recording the coordinates of
a meteorite find location.
Regarding point use #1 (photographic provenance), you countered with:
"NOT A SCIENTIFIC NEED BUT IS I AGREE EQUA
Carl2,
Thank you.
You are also correct. It would make doing business a lot easier because there
would not have to be so many different classifications being done all on the
same material from the same fall/ find.
I know that there is a lot of Howardite material that is floating around with a
Hi Carl,
Another way to see how important co-ordinates are is just to look at what's
happened to the NWA meteorites. Nobody knows where they are found, so many
pairings and unclassified stones!
Good luck on the classification of your new find.
Carl2
>I don't yet understand why people put s
Carl,
Really? Silenced me?
I agreed with him, namely because, yes, it's hard to argue with the
fact that chemical data and a meteorite's preserved geochemical past
has little to do with where a meteorite falls, but he also noted the
following:
"There is considerable bias among some researchers to
Hi List,
I can't agree more with Rob's points and to expand on #2 and somewhat
obviously...
I do not agree with Carl's remarks, I don't understand how anyone could
basically ask the question "what use is strewnfield data"? Seems rather
inconsiderate of the science.
2a) For new meteorite fa
Rob,
I can think of a few more myself but as I said .In my opinion the need for this
info is outweighed by the harm it causes. SEE BELOW IN ALL CAPS.
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax
"Matson wrote:
> Carl asks:
>
> > I don't yet understand why people put so much importance on find
Carl asks:
> I don't yet understand why people put so much importance on find
> co-ords and strewnfields. It has not only been pointed out by another
> important list member that "A meteorite does not care where it lands".
> (Ted Bunch).
You may be quoting Ted out of context. Yes, a meteorite doe
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