Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers

2011-07-17 Thread meteoriteguy.com
cent slip of the > keyboard. > > Best Regards, > Greg Hupe > > > -Original Message- From: Michael Farmer > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 7:24 PM > To: Eric Wichman > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finde

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers

2011-07-17 Thread Greg Hupé
Saturday, July 16, 2011 7:24 PM To: Eric Wichman Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers,Losers Weepers My god Greg, are you trying hard to burn whatever bridges you have left? I happen to know the people at the Smithsonian pretty well,

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers

2011-07-17 Thread Gary Fujihara
I concur with both of you. Dr Tim McCoy is an honorable man and a dedicated researcher who has worked with and collaborated on many papers with scientists from my institute. I don't want to comment on the allegations made regarding the so-called smear campaign. I do want to say that as an Ame

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers

2011-07-17 Thread Greg Stanley
Michael: I agree as I personally know someone who works there, and each time I return to the DC area I visit and get to see the specimens there; last year I saw and held Lorton. It should be on display for everyone to see, as it is one of the very rare falls in the vicinity of DC. And note: th

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers

2011-07-17 Thread Michael Farmer
My god Greg, are you trying hard to burn whatever bridges you have left? I happen to know the people at the Smithsonian pretty well, several trips there over the last 10 years to view the collection and do exchanges with the museum, our NATIONAL COLLECTION of meteorites. I hardly think the Smith

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers

2011-07-16 Thread meteoriteguy.com
Actuall the landowners were real jerks. They were as greedy as I have ever seen people. They threatened to sue Robert over the roof hole he salvaged from being lost forever. it is now back with them and lost forever unless they get lots of money. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers

2011-07-16 Thread Eric Wichman
For the record... The landowners dropped the case because it was a PR nightmare for them because the Doctors and the Smithsonian pulled bogus and shameful tactics using the media and the Haitian Earthquake Crisis against the landowners and merely appealed to the public's emotion on the issue

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers

2011-07-15 Thread Sterling K. Webb
the label strangely does not acknowledge its more famous Alabama sibling." Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: "bill kies" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]

[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers

2011-07-15 Thread Shawn Alan
rce:http://estherville.org/The%20Estherville%20Meteorite.pdf Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html     [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers bill kies parkforestmet at hotmail.com Fri Jul 15 23:29:22 EDT 2011 Previous

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers

2011-07-15 Thread bill kies
atreemus...@embarqmail.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 22:41:46 -0400 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers > > You find it , it's yours!: > > > http://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2011/william-

[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers

2011-07-15 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
You find it , it's yours!: http://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2011/william--mary-law-school-students-learn-about-property-law,-with-an-asteroid-twist-123.php Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.h

[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite - SI

2011-06-02 Thread Thunder Stone
List: Found this too. Greg S http://mineralsciences.si.edu/collections/lorton.htm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@m

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2011-03-18 Thread Michael Mulgrew
Whoops, didn't mean the double negative. "...rocks that I won't be _able_ to add to my collection..." grammar police almost got me : ) On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Michael Mulgrew wrote: > Well shoot, that makes 2 of my 3 birthday falls rocks that I won't be > unable to add to my collection

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2011-03-18 Thread Michael Mulgrew
Well shoot, that makes 2 of my 3 birthday falls rocks that I won't be unable to add to my collection (the other being Baxter, formerly part of the Nininger Collection). At least Tagish Lake is available, although at $600/g and up it's not exactly affordable to me. Hopefully Lorton will be on publi

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2011-03-18 Thread Greg Stanley
Last year I visited a friend who works at the Smithsonian and I got to hold the Lorton meteorite; it's absolutely a magnificent specimen. Greg S. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2011, at 11:22 AM, "JoshuaTreeMuseum" wrote: > > The landlords got outlawyered: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2011-03-18 Thread Linton Rohr
18, 2011 11:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite The landlords got outlawyered: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/whatever-happened-to-the-lorton-meteorite-/2011/03/04/AB14tMq_story.html By Neely Tucker, Sunday, March 20, 11:42 AM When last we heard, Everybody's

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2011-03-18 Thread Meteorites USA
So basically, IF this Washington Post article is accurate in it's reporting, the landowners dropped the case after getting portrayed as the bad guys in the media by the Doctors who had a free lawyer, no legal fees, and they played the media game. I have to say the Doctors played the game well,

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2011-03-18 Thread actionshooting
Well don't that suck!! (I guess) Now we will never have a piece of it. :-( -- Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: = The landlords got outlawyered: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/whatever-happened-to-the-lorton-meteorite-/2011/03/04/AB14t

[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2011-03-18 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
The landlords got outlawyered: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/whatever-happened-to-the-lorton-meteorite-/2011/03/04/AB14tMq_story.html By Neely Tucker, Sunday, March 20, 11:42 AM When last we heard, Everybody's Favorite Meteorite was locked up in legal limbo. The oblong li

[meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite (Schmitt is wrong)(NO your wrong)

2010-02-07 Thread Shawn Alan
NO&data_type=GIF&type=SCREEN_GIF&classic=YES Thank Shawn Alan   [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite (Schmitt is wrong)(NO your wrong) Martin Altmann altmann at meteorite-martin.de Sun Feb 7 18:53:51 EST 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite (Schmitt is wron

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite (Schmitt is wrong)(NO your wrong)

2010-02-07 Thread Martin Altmann
Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn Alan Gesendet: Sonntag, 7. Februar 2010 21:34 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite (Schmitt is wrong)(NO your wrong)

[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite (Schmitt is wrong)(NO your wrong)

2010-02-07 Thread Shawn Alan
n the future you might want to consider your choice of words directed to the list. The article by Schmitt, I will continue to post as a reference when law topics come up or when you decide to publish an article in Meteorite & Planetary Science that debunks Schmitts Article.   Thank you Shawn

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2010-02-07 Thread Bob Loeffler
the same thing. Regards, Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of cdtuc...@cox.net Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:40 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Phil Whitmer Subject: Re:

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2010-02-07 Thread cdtucson
Phil, Martin , List, Not to beat a dead horse here but, we all understand the way things are now. In this link I provided earlier and again below there are particular events that occurred that may effect the outcome of this new case. Please read link again and click on the past precedence they lin

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite (Schmitt is wrong)

2010-02-07 Thread Martin Altmann
orite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn Alan Gesendet: Sonntag, 7. Februar 2010 02:27 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; astror...@hotmail.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Dennis/List Click on the li

[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2010-02-06 Thread Phil Whitmer
When you acquire clear title to a piece of property, you also get landowners rights. These rights are written into the state constitutions or the bill of rights. You own everything above, below and on your land. Once a meteorite enters your air space, you own it. Anyone who tries to take it

[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2010-02-06 Thread Shawn Alan
sic=YES [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Dennis Miller astroroks at hotmail.com Sat Feb 6 19:53:51 EST 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Next message: [meteorite-list] Odd UNWA Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ threa

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2010-02-06 Thread Dennis Miller
around Egypt. Dennis > From: prairiecac...@rtcol.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 21:39:46 -0500 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite > > Hiya Carl, gun lovers and haters: > > I was merely stating the law as it now sta

[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2010-02-05 Thread Shawn Alan
ical Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 > 954 National Center > Reston, VA 20192, USA > > > __________ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2010-02-05 Thread Greg Catterton
Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Sat, 2/6/10, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: > From: cdtuc...@cox.net > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite > To: "Jeff Grossman" , "meteoritelist" > &g

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2010-02-05 Thread cdtucson
Jeff, As always you say the right thing but I would like to see this litigated in this case due to the fact that these Doctors were in legal possession of the real estate and this is a Fall and not a find. These laws only mention finds and our hobby thinks there is a difference. As I asked befor

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2010-02-05 Thread Jeff Grossman
I'm puzzled by why so many of you seem to think the Smithsonian is playing such an active role in this. First of all, the meteorite was brought to them for identification; the SI did not make some kind of power play to get it. And there is no indication that they are making a power play to kee

[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2010-02-05 Thread Phil Whitmer
Hiya Carl, gun lovers and haters: I was merely stating the law as it now stands. If a meteorite falls on your property, you own it. An open and shut case. If the Smithsonian wants to appeal to the Supreme Court, the Court could possibly rule that current meteorite laws are unconstitutional.

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock'

2010-02-05 Thread Martin Altmann
eorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock' Well... whether it was an ownerless object, whether it became part of the ground I have a question: How could we and science survive 200 years, how could Homo Sapiens sur

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite

2010-02-05 Thread Carl 's
Hi Martin and All, Everything is relative and it could get much worse!:( Maybe now is happy times afterall. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaW4Ol3_M1o&feature=fvst Carl2 Martin wrote: >hey veterans! Remember? In former times, each new find or find of new meteorite was a happy, happy event..

[meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock'

2010-02-05 Thread Shawn Alan
Well... whether it was an ownerless object, whether it became part of the ground I have a question: How could we and science survive 200 years, how could Homo Sapiens survive 200,000 years and how could survive this planet 4 500 000 000 years without any law about ownership of meteorit

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2010-02-05 Thread Martin Altmann
richt- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von cdtuc...@cox.net Gesendet: Freitag, 5. Februar 2010 22:50 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; JoshuaTreeMuseum Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Phil, I assume

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2010-02-05 Thread cdtucson
Phil, I assume from this bold statement that you either have inside information or you are not familiar with the American legal system. Most people including myself agree that you are probably right and the past precedent says it belongs to the landlord. . The Smithsonian and the Doctors are not

[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2010-02-05 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
There's really no question here, the landowner owns the meteorite. (period) The "People's Rock"? Maybe in the People's Republic of China! Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list m

[meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite

2010-02-05 Thread julie . latch4d
Hi all. I do believe the meteorite did break into three pieces. The landowner gets one piece, the DR. gets one piece and the Smithsonian gets one. Just a thought. Thx Julie Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock'

2010-02-05 Thread Martin Altmann
? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn Alan Gesendet: Freitag, 5. Februar 2010 17:45 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite

[meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock'

2010-02-05 Thread Shawn Alan
Carl and Listers Again can you please give me an example of someone owning the fall of a meteorite thats relates to the Lorton meteorite. As for the Lorton meteorite the meteorite didnt find the Dr's they found the meteorite. They didnt find the fall of the meteorite because the meteorite had

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock'

2010-02-04 Thread cdtucson
George, You make a very good point here. The question I have is why do you think this is so cut and dry. I mean one could argue that the doctors were in legal control of this rented office space at the time of the collision. Are they not renting the air space? I understand they do not own the bu

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock'

2010-02-04 Thread Martin Altmann
m [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Adam Hupe Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Februar 2010 19:47 An: Adam Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock' It is interesting that some museums quote the UNESCO laws when it is i

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock'

2010-02-04 Thread George Blahun Jr
We should all be concerned about this law and not be complacent. Up until the 1980s the Communications Act of 1934 prohibited anyone from owning the electromagnetic spectrum. It was considered the "peoples spectrum". During the 1980s the telecommunications industry bought off a corrupt and ig

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock'

2010-02-04 Thread Adam Hupe
both ways. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Mark Bowling To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 9:49:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock' Thanks Shawn, that article is just the mindset w

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock'

2010-02-04 Thread Mark Bowling
56 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock' Hello List, An artical today from The Washington Post on the Lorto Meteorite. Shawn Alan http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/02/

[meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock'

2010-02-03 Thread Shawn Alan
Hello List, An artical today from The Washington Post on the Lorto Meteorite. Shawn Alan http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/02/AR2010020203028.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives

[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Fall - Update: Fragmentation

2010-01-23 Thread Meteorites USA
Hi List, I've added some more information on the fragmentation of the Lorton bolide event to the post. Also, I've read about 3-4 witness account saying they saw a second smaller fireball after the one that produced the 308g Lorton meteorite that crashed through the roof of the doctors office.

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Fall

2010-01-22 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks
chondrite. We are > conducting analyses on it to determine its exact classification, but we are > guessing it is either an L6 or an LL6. > > > > >> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:11:54 -0800 >> From: e...@meteoritesusa.com >> To: meteorite

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Fall

2010-01-22 Thread Greg Stanley
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Fall > > P.S. If you find any information about the Lorton meteorite that's not > listed in the article, let me know and I'll post it. Video, photos, > audio, links, articles, anything... Send the

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Fall

2010-01-22 Thread Meteorites USA
P.S. If you find any information about the Lorton meteorite that's not listed in the article, let me know and I'll post it. Video, photos, audio, links, articles, anything... Send them over. Especially verification of the type and official classification. Regards, Eric On 1/22/2010 11:48 AM,

[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Fall

2010-01-22 Thread Meteorites USA
Hi List, Here's some more info on the Lorton meteorite fall. I've compiled a good bit of information available on the web about our newest meteorite fall in the USA. If you guys would like more infomation bookmark this page as I'll be adding news and updates as more data becomes available. ht

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2010-01-22 Thread Jake Wayne
lan > Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:48 AM > Hello List >   > I saw this video on youtube and the Lorton Meteorite is the > 4th Meteorite to fall in VA in the past 100 hundred years. > T

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Fall - Meteorite Smashes Through Roof!

2010-01-22 Thread MEM
Thanks, Eric for putting this page together! There was very little fanfare as this went( came) down. Now we know the rest of the story. Elton --- On Thu, 1/21/10, e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: > > Here's my latest article (rather a conglomeration of > information) ... > ARTICLE: Lorton Mete

[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

2010-01-21 Thread Shawn Alan
Hello List   I saw this video on youtube and the Lorton Meteorite is the 4th Meteorite to fall in VA in the past 100 hundred years. The main mass so far is 308g and it has been noted that its a Chondrite meteorite. I wish I had a car because I live in NYC if I did I would be out in Lorton in a h

[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Video

2010-01-21 Thread Mike Bandli
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wejD6FeDmoU Enjoy --- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/ma