My god Greg, are you trying hard to burn whatever bridges you have left? I
happen to know the people at the Smithsonian pretty well, several trips there
over the last 10 years to view the collection and do exchanges with the museum,
our NATIONAL COLLECTION of meteorites. I hardly think the
Michael:
I agree as I personally know someone who works there, and each time I return to
the DC area I visit and get to see the specimens there; last year I saw and
held Lorton. It should be on display for everyone to see, as it is one of the
very rare falls in the vicinity of DC. And note:
I concur with both of you. Dr Tim McCoy is an honorable man and a dedicated
researcher who has worked with and collaborated on many papers with scientists
from my institute. I don't want to comment on the allegations made regarding
the so-called smear campaign. I do want to say that as an
Wichman
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My god Greg, are you trying hard to burn whatever bridges you have left? I
happen to know the people at the Smithsonian pretty well, several trips
there over the last 10
Regards,
Greg Hupe
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My god Greg, are you trying hard to burn whatever
For the record...
The landowners dropped the case because it was a PR nightmare for them
because the Doctors and the Smithsonian pulled bogus and shameful
tactics using the media and the Haitian Earthquake Crisis against the
landowners and merely appealed to the public's emotion on the issue
Actuall the landowners were real jerks. They were as greedy as I have ever seen
people. They threatened to sue Robert over the roof hole he salvaged from being
lost forever. it is now back with them and lost forever unless they get lots of
money.
Michael Farmer
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You find it , it's yours!:
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They didn't find it, it found them. And, even though it was
unprecedented in Virginia, Sylacauga comes to mind. The meteorite was
returned to the Hodgeses. Does anyone know
List:
Found this too.
Greg S
http://mineralsciences.si.edu/collections/lorton.htm
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The landlords got outlawyered:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/whatever-happened-to-the-lorton-meteorite-/2011/03/04/AB14tMq_story.html
By Neely Tucker, Sunday, March 20, 11:42 AM
When last we heard, Everybody's Favorite Meteorite was locked up in legal
limbo.
The oblong
Well don't that suck!! (I guess) Now we will never have a piece of it. :-(
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Lawndale, NC
JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote:
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The landlords got outlawyered:
So basically, IF this Washington Post article is accurate in it's
reporting, the landowners dropped the case after getting portrayed as
the bad guys in the media by the Doctors who had a free lawyer, no legal
fees, and they played the media game. I have to say the Doctors played
the game well,
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The landlords got outlawyered:
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By Neely Tucker, Sunday, March 20, 11:42 AM
Last year I visited a friend who works at the Smithsonian and I got to hold the
Lorton meteorite; it's absolutely a magnificent specimen.
Greg S.
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The landlords got outlawyered:
Well shoot, that makes 2 of my 3 birthday falls rocks that I won't be
unable to add to my collection (the other being Baxter, formerly part
of the Nininger Collection). At least Tagish Lake is available,
although at $600/g and up it's not exactly affordable to me.
Hopefully Lorton will be on
Whoops, didn't mean the double negative. ...rocks that I won't be
_able_ to add to my collection...
grammar police almost got me : )
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Well shoot, that makes 2 of my 3 birthday falls rocks that I won't be
unable to add
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Dennis/List
Phil, Martin , List,
Not to beat a dead horse here but, we all understand the way things are now.
In this link I provided earlier and again below there are particular events
that occurred that may effect the outcome of this new case.
Please read link again and click on the past precedence they
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Phil, Martin , List,
Not to beat a dead horse here but, we all
you decide to publish an article in Meteorite Planetary
Science that debunks Schmitts Article.
Thank you
Shawn Alan
[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite (Schmitt is wrong)
Martin Altmann altmann at meteorite-martin.de
Sun Feb 7 11:12:32 EST 2010
Hello Shawn,
please don't use that article
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Alan
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Stated by Martin..
Hello Shawn,
please don't use
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Thank
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Hiya Carl, gun lovers and haters:
I was merely stating the law as it now stands. If a meteorite falls on your
property, you own
] Lorton Meteorite
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When you acquire clear title to a piece of property, you
also get landowners rights. These rights are written into
the state constitutions or the bill of rights. You own
everything above, below and on your land. Once a
meteorite enters your air space, you own it. Anyone
who tries to take it
Carl and Listers
Again can you please give me an example of someone owning the fall of a
meteorite thats relates to the Lorton meteorite.
As for the Lorton meteorite the meteorite didnt find the Dr's they found the
meteorite. They didnt find the fall of the meteorite because the meteorite had
?
Martin
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Alan
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Hi all. I do believe the meteorite did break into three pieces. The landowner
gets one piece, the DR. gets one piece and the Smithsonian gets one. Just a
thought. Thx Julie
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There's really no question here, the landowner owns the meteorite. (period)
The People's Rock? Maybe in the People's Republic of China!
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Phil,
I assume from this bold statement that you either have inside information or
you are not familiar with the American legal system.
Most people including myself agree that you are probably right and the past
precedent says it belongs to the landlord. . The Smithsonian and the Doctors
are
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Phil,
I assume from
Well... whether it was an ownerless object, whether it became part of the
ground
I have a question:
How could we and science survive 200 years,
how could Homo Sapiens survive 200,000 years
and how could survive this planet 4 500 000 000 years
without any law about ownership of
Hi Martin and All,
Everything is relative and it could get much worse!:( Maybe now is happy times
afterall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaW4Ol3_M1ofeature=fvst
Carl2
Martin wrote:
hey veterans! Remember?
In former times, each new find or find of new meteorite was a happy, happy
event...
: [meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock'
Well... whether it was an ownerless object, whether it became part of the
ground
I have a question:
How could we and science survive 200 years,
how could Homo Sapiens survive 200,000 years
and how could survive this planet 4
Hiya Carl, gun lovers and haters:
I was merely stating the law as it now stands. If a meteorite falls on your
property, you own it. An open and shut case. If the Smithsonian wants to
appeal to the Supreme Court, the Court could possibly rule that current
meteorite laws are unconstitutional.
I'm puzzled by why so many of you seem to think the Smithsonian is
playing such an active role in this. First of all, the meteorite was
brought to them for identification; the SI did not make some kind of
power play to get it. And there is no indication that they are making a
power play to
Jeff,
As always you say the right thing but I would like to see this litigated in
this case due to the fact that these Doctors were in legal possession of the
real estate and this is a Fall and not a find. These laws only mention finds
and our hobby thinks there is a difference. As I asked
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock'
Hello List,
An artical today from The Washington Post on the Lorto Meteorite.
Shawn Alan
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/02/AR2010020203028.html
ways.
Best Regards,
Adam
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Thanks Shawn, that article is just the mindset we
We should all be concerned about this law and not be complacent. Up until the
1980s the Communications Act of 1934 prohibited anyone from owning the
electromagnetic spectrum. It was considered the peoples spectrum. During
the 1980s the telecommunications industry bought off a corrupt and
Hupe
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It is interesting that some museums quote the UNESCO laws when it is in
their favor but fail to mention it when it is not. I have not heard a thing
about
George,
You make a very good point here. The question I have is why do you think this
is so cut and dry.
I mean one could argue that the doctors were in legal control of this rented
office space at the time of the collision. Are they not renting the air space?
I understand they do not own the
Hello List,
An artical today from The Washington Post on the Lorto Meteorite.
Shawn Alan
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/02/AR2010020203028.html
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I need a piece of the Lorton meteorite if available, a
fragment or a thin slice
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Hi List,
I've added some more information on the fragmentation of the Lorton
bolide event to the post. Also, I've read about 3-4 witness account
saying they saw a second smaller fireball after the one that produced
the 308g Lorton meteorite that crashed through the roof of the doctors
Thanks, Eric for putting this page together! There was very little fanfare as
this went( came) down. Now we know the rest of the story.
Elton
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information) ...
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:48 AM
Hello List
I saw this video on youtube and the Lorton Meteorite is the
4th Meteorite to fall in VA in the past 100 hundred years
Hi List,
Here's some more info on the Lorton meteorite fall. I've compiled a good
bit of information available on the web about our newest meteorite fall
in the USA. If you guys would like more infomation bookmark this page as
I'll be adding news and updates as more data becomes available.
P.S. If you find any information about the Lorton meteorite that's not
listed in the article, let me know and I'll post it. Video, photos,
audio, links, articles, anything... Send them over. Especially
verification of the type and official classification.
Regards,
Eric
On 1/22/2010 11:48 AM,
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P.S. If you find any information about the Lorton meteorite that's not
listed in the article, let me know and I'll post it. Video, photos,
audio, links, articles, anything... Send them over. Especially
verification of the type and official
classification, but we are
guessing it is either an L6 or an LL6.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:11:54 -0800
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P.S. If you find any
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wejD6FeDmoU
Enjoy
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Hello List
I saw this video on youtube and the Lorton Meteorite is the 4th Meteorite to
fall in VA in the past 100 hundred years. The main mass so far is 308g and it
has been noted that its a Chondrite meteorite. I wish I had a car because I
live in NYC if I did I would be out in Lorton in a
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