Re: [meteorite-list] video and fall: related?
Hi! The time zone for Magadan is UTC+11 hours: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=380 The time reported is 11h 36m UTC. The time zone for Yemen is UTC+3 hours: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=6 The time reported is 11h 44m UTC. The distance between them is approximately 6700 miles, or one quarter of the planetary circumference. The times are reasonably concordant except for one glaring inconsistency: they are 24 hours apart!! One on July 15th; one on July 16th. The answer to the question is: they are possibly connected ONLY if the dates reported are incorrect. A low entry angle object is one class of meteroid most likely to survive, and a 6700 mile graze of the atmosphere is almost possible. The Chant Trace graze path was over 13,000 miles long, assuming that it was not a sequence of objects. Consistent objects were observed over 3000 miles. Putulsk peas were found as far away as Sicily (perhaps 3000 miles or more). It's a thin but interesting case, but impossible unless the dates are wrong. Any information on the compass orientation of the fireball path? Sterling K. Webb Note: Coordinated Universal Time is the same as GMT/Zulu, or the same as British time except no daylight savings is admitted. --- Martin Horejsi wrote: I Mike, I suspected as such, but wondered if maybe it was somehow related. Any idea what is the actual time difference between the two events. Hey Mike, Bill, Anne, anyone: is the time in A to Z local or UT? Cheers, Martin On 10/18/05, Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no way it can be the same meteorite, Magadan is in far eastern Russia, and Yemen is over 3000 miles away. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Martin Horejsi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:31 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] video and fall: related? Hi All, Here is a link to a Russian video of a fireball: http://www.geokhi.ru/~meteorit/film/capture2.mpg The info states the following: Location of fall: Magadan Latitude +59 ° 33 ' Longitude 150 ° 49 ' Time Zone 10 Date of Fall July 16, 2000 Time of fall UT 11h 36m or local summer time 22h 36m, probable error ±10 minutes According to A to Z, there was a fall named Yafa that fell in Yemen on July 15, 2000 at 1444 hours. Does anyone know of evidence linking the two events? Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Magadan and Yafa
Sterling wrote: The time zone for Yemen is UTC+3 hours: The time reported is 11h 44m UTC. Martin wrote: According to A to Z, there was a fall named Yafa that fell in Yemen on July 15, 2000 at 1444 hours. Martin also wrote: Hey Mike, Bill, Anne, anyone: is the time in A to Z local or UT? Hello All, According to the entry for Yafa in the Met.Bull. 86, MAPS 37-7, July 2002, the date of fall is 14:45 GMT. This would correspond to 16:45 hrs for Yafa (Date: July 15). 11:36 GMT for Magadan would correspond to 22:36 hrs there (Date: July 16). So the time difference would be 29 hours + 51 minutes ... if I didn't blunder :-) Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Global Surveyor Images: October 13-19, 2005
MARS GLOBAL SURVEYOR IMAGES October 13-19, 2005 The following new images taken by the Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) on the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft are now available: o Dike near Auqakuh (Released 13 October 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/10/13 o Filled/Eroded Craters (Released 14 October 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/10/14 o Defrosting Patterns (Released 15 October 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/10/15 o Cerberus Flood Features (Released 16 October 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/10/16 o Mars Polar Lander NOT Found (Released 17 October 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/10/17 o Mars at Ls 306 Degrees (Released 18 October 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/10/18 o Martian Lava Flows (Released 19 October 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/10/19 All of the Mars Global Surveyor images are archived here: http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/index.html Mars Global Surveyor was launched in November 1996 and has been in Mars orbit since September 1997. It began its primary mapping mission on March 8, 1999. Mars Global Surveyor is the first mission in a long-term program of Mars exploration known as the Mars Surveyor Program that is managed by JPL for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, DC. Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS) and the California Institute of Technology built the MOC using spare hardware from the Mars Observer mission. MSSS operates the camera from its facilities in San Diego, CA. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory's Mars Surveyor Operations Project operates the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft with its industrial partner, Lockheed Martin Astronautics, from facilities in Pasadena, CA and Denver, CO. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Magadan and Yafa
Hi, Bernd Thanks for clearing that up. Another nice speculation goes the way of most nice speculations. Albert Einstein was attending an awards dinner where many prominent scientists were receiving various honors. At his table was a well-known chemist who took a small notebook out of his jacket every few minutes and scribbled in it. About the fourth or fifth time he did so, he noticed Einstein watching him. Embarassed, the chemist explained, Every time I get a good idea, I make a note of it. Writing it down keeps me from forgetting it. It's an excellent system; you should try it. Einstein sighed, I doubt it would help me. I've only had a few good ideas in my whole life. Sterling - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sterling wrote: The time zone for Yemen is UTC+3 hours: The time reported is 11h 44m UTC. Martin wrote: According to A to Z, there was a fall named Yafa that fell in Yemen on July 15, 2000 at 1444 hours. Martin also wrote: Hey Mike, Bill, Anne, anyone: is the time in A to Z local or UT? Hello All, According to the entry for Yafa in the Met.Bull. 86, MAPS 37-7, July 2002, the date of fall is 14:45 GMT. This would correspond to 16:45 hrs for Yafa (Date: July 15). 11:36 GMT for Magadan would correspond to 22:36 hrs there (Date: July 16). So the time difference would be 29 hours + 51 minutes ... if I didn't blunder :-) Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Magadan and Yafa
Hi Sterling and Bernd, Thanks for the mental work. How about this one: Any thoughts on the relationship between Glanggang and Selakopi? Cheers, Martin On 10/19/05, Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Bernd Thanks for clearing that up. Another nice speculation goes the way of most nice speculations. Albert Einstein was attending an awards dinner where many prominent scientists were receiving various honors. At his table was a well-known chemist who took a small notebook out of his jacket every few minutes and scribbled in it. About the fourth or fifth time he did so, he noticed Einstein watching him. Embarassed, the chemist explained, Every time I get a good idea, I make a note of it. Writing it down keeps me from forgetting it. It's an excellent system; you should try it. Einstein sighed, I doubt it would help me. I've only had a few good ideas in my whole life. Sterling - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sterling wrote: The time zone for Yemen is UTC+3 hours: The time reported is 11h 44m UTC. Martin wrote: According to A to Z, there was a fall named Yafa that fell in Yemen on July 15, 2000 at 1444 hours. Martin also wrote: Hey Mike, Bill, Anne, anyone: is the time in A to Z local or UT? Hello All, According to the entry for Yafa in the Met.Bull. 86, MAPS 37-7, July 2002, the date of fall is 14:45 GMT. This would correspond to 16:45 hrs for Yafa (Date: July 15). 11:36 GMT for Magadan would correspond to 22:36 hrs there (Date: July 16). So the time difference would be 29 hours + 51 minutes ... if I didn't blunder :-) Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Selakopi and Glanggang
Hello again, How about this one: Any thoughts on the relationship between Glanggang and Selakopi? Cheers, Martin No thoughts but this: FREDRIKSSON K. and PERETSMAN G.S. (1982) Glanggang and Selakopi - Two new paired Indonesian chondrites (Meteoritics 17, 1982, pp. 78-86): Abstract: The Indonesian meteorites Selakopi, and H-5 chondrite, and Glanggang, a breccia with H-6 fragments in an H-5 chondritic matrix, were recovered on the same day from sites only 50 km apart. The textures and compositions of Selakopi and the H-5 portion of Glanggang are very similar, indicating that they are closely related. The bulk chemistry of the H-6 portion of Glanggang is also very similar to that of the samples mentioned. It has therefore been concluded that Selakopi and the Glanggang breccia fragments were derived from the same source area and were probably ejected at the same time. Minor differences in bulk composition and texture among the three samples may be attributed to local variations on the parent body. However, for reasons stipulated in the conclusion, it is recommended that separate names be maintained for these meteorites until further, more definitive investigations have been made. Cheers from the wet and cold Rhein-Main area, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Selakopi and Glanggang
Hi Bernd, Thanks for the article. I knew such a text existed, but the reference I had contained a question mark in the title. Now a refined question: At what point are meteorites paired? If a same day fall 50km apart with similar composition is still not enough, then what is? According to the authors, more study is needed. What might that study be? And if such synchronicity is not a preponderance of evidence for pairing, how can any ancient falls on the hot deserts ever be truly paired? Just wondering. Martin On 19 Oct 2005 18:00:45 UT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again, How about this one: Any thoughts on the relationship between Glanggang and Selakopi? Cheers, Martin No thoughts but this: FREDRIKSSON K. and PERETSMAN G.S. (1982) Glanggang and Selakopi - Two new paired Indonesian chondrites (Meteoritics 17, 1982, pp. 78-86): Abstract: The Indonesian meteorites Selakopi, and H-5 chondrite, and Glanggang, a breccia with H-6 fragments in an H-5 chondritic matrix, were recovered on the same day from sites only 50 km apart. The textures and compositions of Selakopi and the H-5 portion of Glanggang are very similar, indicating that they are closely related. The bulk chemistry of the H-6 portion of Glanggang is also very similar to that of the samples mentioned. It has therefore been concluded that Selakopi and the Glanggang breccia fragments were derived from the same source area and were probably ejected at the same time. Minor differences in bulk composition and texture among the three samples may be attributed to local variations on the parent body. However, for reasons stipulated in the conclusion, it is recommended that separate names be maintained for these meteorites until further, more definitive investigations have been made. Cheers from the wet and cold Rhein-Main area, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Excellent Auctions Ending - NEW CK4 Tonight
Dear List Members, I will be listing a new CK4 tonight, NWA 2787, under my eBay seller name, naturesvault. There are only six pieces available of this low TKW meteorite so if you are interested, you will want to use the Buy it Now feature without delay. I also have our ultra rare CO 3.0, NWA 2918, ending tonight in just a few hours. The strictest approved standards were performed and re-checked at NAU so there is no mistake here of the classification. Of the other auctions, there are still some excellent specimens currently at just 99 cents so great deals will be realized tonight for those lucky bidders. I tend to put larger pieces up at auction so be sure to check them out. There are too many to itemize here so if you are interested, go to eBay and search for items by seller, naturesvault. Best regards and Thank You to everyone who bids with me, Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection naturesvault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD-Ebay, Dhofar 979, Ureilite
Hello all, I have an absolutely beautiful 10.98g partslice of the ureilite Dhofar 979 ending on ebay tomorrow evening. Currently it is only at $3 a gram, sad. It truely is an amazing ureilite. I haven't shown it to one person without them being amazed at how its large crystals change color as you change the angle of light on it. It shouldn't be missed, or at least seen. At any rate, thanks for looking but unfortuneatly my pictures don't do it any justice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6570259423rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Devin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New website launched.
Hi everyone, I have just launched my new website, the old one is now totally erased. This is simply a much more consistent easy to use website, should be much easier to peruse. Mike Farmer http://www.meteoriteguy.com Let me know how you like it. PS, I am off to Europe Friday, so I will be mostly out of touch for the next 12 days. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE: Selakopi and Glanggang
Hi Bernd, Martin, all I have fragments of both meteorites in my collection and they really really very similar. have a look: www.austromet.com/collection/Glanggang_2.306g.jpg and www.austromet.com/collection/Selakopi_1.628g.jpg Cheers, Christian IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Horejsi Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Selakopi and Glanggang Hi Bernd, Thanks for the article. I knew such a text existed, but the reference I had contained a question mark in the title. Now a refined question: At what point are meteorites paired? If a same day fall 50km apart with similar composition is still not enough, then what is? According to the authors, more study is needed. What might that study be? And if such synchronicity is not a preponderance of evidence for pairing, how can any ancient falls on the hot deserts ever be truly paired? Just wondering. Martin On 19 Oct 2005 18:00:45 UT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again, How about this one: Any thoughts on the relationship between Glanggang and Selakopi? Cheers, Martin No thoughts but this: FREDRIKSSON K. and PERETSMAN G.S. (1982) Glanggang and Selakopi - Two new paired Indonesian chondrites (Meteoritics 17, 1982, pp. 78-86): Abstract: The Indonesian meteorites Selakopi, and H-5 chondrite, and Glanggang, a breccia with H-6 fragments in an H-5 chondritic matrix, were recovered on the same day from sites only 50 km apart. The textures and compositions of Selakopi and the H-5 portion of Glanggang are very similar, indicating that they are closely related. The bulk chemistry of the H-6 portion of Glanggang is also very similar to that of the samples mentioned. It has therefore been concluded that Selakopi and the Glanggang breccia fragments were derived from the same source area and were probably ejected at the same time. Minor differences in bulk composition and texture among the three samples may be attributed to local variations on the parent body. However, for reasons stipulated in the conclusion, it is recommended that separate names be maintained for these meteorites until further, more definitive investigations have been made. Cheers from the wet and cold Rhein-Main area, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I'm looking for a picture frame of the moon and mars
Hello List, I'm looking for a picture frame that had a picture of an astronaut walking on the moon and picture of mars mounted in a shadow box, there were places to mount meteorite pieces in little square similar rikers mounts. Does anyone recall seeing these and know where to get one? Regards, Tim Heitz __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I'm looking for a picture frame of the moon andmars
Not quite what you are looking for but I have these frames for riker mounts you can download http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/rikers.htm Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] I'm looking for a picture frame of the moon andmars Hello List, I'm looking for a picture frame that had a picture of an astronaut walking on the moon and picture of mars mounted in a shadow box, there were places to mount meteorite pieces in little square similar rikers mounts. Does anyone recall seeing these and know where to get one? Regards, Tim Heitz __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
