[meteorite-list] WTC Meteorite meteowrong

2007-04-16 Thread MexicoDoug
Hi List, http://www.noobsters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23229 Made me think that while I enjoy watching the heavens are teaming with meteoroids, an experience in the Underworld is like walking into a slag furnace. Take a look at this terrible meteowrong. Best wishes and Great Health, Doug

[meteorite-list] AD - Chiang Khan crusty micro - Fleabay

2007-04-16 Thread Dave Harris
Hi, Some crusty Chiang Khan out there http://tinyurl.com/32tzjd ta! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] Two quartz questions-- one on topic, one off.

2007-04-16 Thread MexicoDoug
Doug, List What else occurring in meteorites can be crystal clear like some quartz? Is it magnesium? I'm referring to something grainy like beach sand. Mike Hi Mike, List, Good question as the waters get muddied on this quartz rule for meteorites. How about Plagioclase feldspars - which

Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - April 16, 2007

2007-04-16 Thread info
Mike and others, yes, you are correct. The fall in turkey occured at about 5.30pm on Thursday, Jan 31 2007 at Didim, Turkey. This one simply slipped through my records because I did not notice any official confirmation yet. Also and in contradiction to the Bassikounou fall it seems there is no

Asteroid 3628 Bo�n�mcov� - research paper

2007-04-16 Thread Rob McCafferty
Hi list Does anyone have access to and/or able to get me a peek-a-boo at this article. http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/arizona/maps/2006/0041/0008/art3 I'd really like to peruse this. On the face of it, it looks a potentially fascinating article. Every day I learn a little

[meteorite-list] Any news on the Newport Tower meteorite?

2007-04-16 Thread Jose Campos
Hi List, Can anyone please let us know what happened to that iron-nickel small meteorite found with the help of a large magnet, at the excavation site near the Newport Tower, in October 2006 by some Research Foundation (I cannot remember their name)? Has it been classified and catalogued

Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 3628 Bonìmcová - re search paper

2007-04-16 Thread lebofsky
Hi Rob: Let me see what I can do (should have a copy at work). Should I ask one of the authors any questions? I will be seeing Mike Gaffey tomorrow. Larry On Mon, April 16, 2007 4:48 am, Rob McCafferty wrote: Hi list Does anyone have access to and/or able to get me a peek-a-boo at this

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread Moni Waiblinger
Good Morning list-members, you may want to read this with you coffee this morning. This was send from Rob E. to another list. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6549197.stm Happy day, Moni _ Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms.

[meteorite-list] Bad press

2007-04-16 Thread Bill
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6549197.stm Inbox.com is giving away free iPODs, movie tickets and gigabytes! Learn more about this contest on http://www.inbox.com/contest __ Meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread Darren Garrison
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:25:58 -0700, you wrote: Good Morning list-members, you may want to read this with you coffee this morning. This was send from Rob E. to another list. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6549197.stm I was about to post that myself. Are these scientists STUPID? They

[meteorite-list] Mike Farmer's New Pallasite

2007-04-16 Thread Robert Woolard
I finally had a chance to see some of the specimens of Mike's new pallasite over the weekend. He truly has some fantastic individuals, and the slices are just beautiful! I've never seen a pallasite that had such a mix, or range, of different-sized olivine crystals. Some are nearly 1 inch wide

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread Greg Hupe
Dear List, That article is so full of crater holes. If it were not for the private sector going and collecting and/or buying these stones, there would not be the physical wealth of material that HAS been provided to scientists all around the world. I think collectors and/or scientists who

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread Michael Farmer
Considering that the British Museum is full of pieces from NWA (many of which came from me), I am not sure where they get off saying what they have said in this article. Michael Farmer --- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:25:58 -0700, you wrote: Good Morning

[meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread valparint
The article at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6549197.stm states But scientists oppose this marketplace. They want to put a stop to the trade because they're losing valuable material to the collectors. THEY are losing valuable material?!? If it's theirs to lose it implies that they already

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread Michael Farmer
But they have alreay done that, I have been to the Natural History Museum in London at least 8 or 9 times, and complete many trades with them, much of it NWA material. I think this article may be somewhat misquoted or taken out of context. Michael Farmer --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The article

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread mark ford
Absolutley!! - I think every meteorite internet list is going ape over this subject at the moment, Its clearly a minority view, as a lot of researchers have worked very hard to forge good relationships with collectors/dealers over the years. - (and Which is clearly a mutually beneficial

Re: [meteorite-list] steve arnold/Steve Arnold - There're two of you? I apologize.

2007-04-16 Thread Michael L Blood
Hi Thaddeus and all, You can see photos of these two (under Steve - all photos are arranged alphabetically by first name) at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html However, you, Sir Thaddeus, have yet to send me a jpg of your loverly mug. This is your chance

Re: Asteroid 3628 Bo�n�mcov� - research paper

2007-04-16 Thread Rob McCafferty
Many thanks to Harald and David for getting me this paper. Is there nothing you guys cannot achieve. I will read it leisurly over a glass of wine tonight Rob McC --- David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Rob, Attached is a pdf of this article. It will be public access via ADS

Re: [meteorite-list] LOCATION of a hammer

2007-04-16 Thread E.P. Grondine
Sterling - Hmmm. Died of plague and impact at the same time? Confusing - I wonder their source. My assumption is that some kind of victory temple would have been built, most likely with an astronomical theme. Do you have any possibilites? good huntin, Ed --- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread Rob McCafferty
--- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But they have alreay done that, I have been to the Natural History Museum in London at least 8 or 9 times, and complete many trades with them, much of it NWA material. I think this article may be somewhat misquoted or taken out of context.

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread Gerald Flaherty
Hello Moni and List, If the article is referring to unclassified material,which would make sense, thereby allowing material never to reach the scientific community, the point is well taken. On ther other hand, without this kind of transport, where would this material abide? In the desert

Re: [meteorite-list] MARS off topic==on topic

2007-04-16 Thread MexicoDoug
Hi Jim, List, Temperature in space and on other ET bodies has got to be the most misunderstood subject on Earth if comments on web pages are any indication! The radiative heating process has one somewhat unfamiliar effect in space. Two objects right next to each other will reach different

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread Darren Garrison
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:06:52 -0400, you wrote: Hello Moni and List, If the article is referring to unclassified material,which would make sense, thereby allowing material never to reach the scientific community, the point is well taken. The problem with that argument is that from the stories

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread Michael Farmer
The Moroccans are smarter now than most collectors. You will not get a lunar or Martian meteorite cheap there now. 90% of them can recognize one in a second. Don't feel too sorry for most of the Moroccans, they make much more money than most of us dealers who pay nearly retail for the material IN

[meteorite-list] Misrepresentation by the press

2007-04-16 Thread Rob McCafferty
Nomads don't know what they're selling? --- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with that argument is that from the stories that the people who go to Morocco tell, those nomads aren't nearly as clueless as the article writer claims that they are. They may have been at

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread Greg Hupe
Hi Darren, Mike and List, I couldn't have said it better myself! It takes a huge investment to limp away from Morocco with a planetary or other rare meteorite these days. I would have said walk away, but after having to give up your right arm, left leg, first born, etc. to get one of these.

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread Adam Hupe
Don't forget the hundreds of thousands of dollars the Moroccans made in trading terrestrial rocks presented as meteorites or not delivering at all! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread Michael Farmer
Um, not even close! While I have been fortunate in the past with some purchases, these days, it is no longer profitable for me to go to Morocco, thus, last year I was only there two times in conjunction with European trips. Moroccans now want $10-$20 gram for Eucrites, I can pay less for known

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread Michael Farmer
Yes, I myself have purchased more than $30,000 I estimate, in terrestrial rocks, which I throw over my fence. Not bad, to sell a worthless rock for thousands of dollars. Again, everyone has made out on the Morocco meteorite rush, science, nomads, middlemen, airlines, hotels, and collectors.

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread ensoramanda
So if science is losing important material for study to dealers/hunters/collectors of NWA's, why dont we hear much about all the amazing research that must be coming out of the thousands of meteorites from Antarctica? !!! Science has exclusive use of these but I never seem to hear much

Re: [meteorite-list] LOCATION of a hammer

2007-04-16 Thread E.P. Grondine
Hi Sterling - As I remember it now, and this is after my stroke - What happened was that cheap grain imports from Africa ruined the land owning farmers around Rome. This led to continuing turbulence - the socii being but one of the later examples of these stuggles. These started shortly after

Re: [meteorite-list] Any news on the Newport Tower meteorite?

2007-04-16 Thread Jose Campos
Hi Charlie and Pete and List, Thanks for your e-mails. I am interested to find out if in fact, and without any doubts, what they found in the excavation close to the Newport Tower, is in fact an iron-nickel meteorite. From the photos, it looks quite small! Would there be enough mass for a

[meteorite-list] AD---Eagle Station PAL

2007-04-16 Thread David Weir
Hello List, I purchased a small part slice of the hard-to-find pallasite Eagle Station from Steve Arnold #1 in 2002 and have since upgraded. I will re-offer this 0.764 g part slice for well below Steve's fair initial price (I've enjoyed it a couple hundred dollars worth), and at the lowest

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread Jeff Grossman
At 06:29 PM 4/16/2007, ensoramanda wrote: So if science is losing important material for study to dealers/hunters/collectors of NWA's, why dont we hear much about all the amazing research that must be coming out of the thousands of meteorites from Antarctica? !!! Science has exclusive use of

[meteorite-list] Question about Libyan Glass

2007-04-16 Thread David Kitt Deyarmin
If a piece of Libyan Glass has an milky external color does that milky color extend through the entire piece or is it more clear on the inside? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread MexicoDoug
Hello Jeff, List, That does appear to deserve a second serious look for the concerned, and I assume the Bulletin Supplement isn't included (which basically ignores the classification work, coordinate recording and compositional publication as science that counts). Of course these are for

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread Jeff Grossman
My counts ignore unreviewed work like abstracts and the Meteoritical Bulletin, which is also composed of abstracts plus tables. ALH 84001 is not a hot research topic these days... I don't remember encountering it in the 2006 papers. Jeff At 09:28 PM 4/16/2007, MexicoDoug wrote: Hello Jeff,

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread greg stanley
All - This really gets my goat. Many are smuggled to collectors around the world and experts are worried that valuable scientific research is being lost as a result So if the meteorites remain in the desert, they are more valuable for research. On land, they are most likely to

[meteorite-list] Metal Distribution

2007-04-16 Thread greg stanley
Hi List: I have a question regarding the metal distribution in ordinary chondrites. I remember hearing ‘somewhere’ that in H-chondrites the free-metal is generally evenly distributed in medium sized blobs throughout the meteorite, and in L-chondrites the metal is more uneven, sometimes

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread Alhyane Abdelaziz
Hi Mike and list thought you were to say hundreds, and for you to make thousands and even millions, because if you have to pay $100 automaitically you see that you'll sell at $1000 or more, but if you do not see a profit, you would not pay $100.this is the comerce. Thanks Aziz Michael

[meteorite-list] help with email

2007-04-16 Thread mike morgan
Am I the only that it takes over 24hr for there e-mail to post here? I went and got a google e-mail account and sent a e-mail and it has been over 9hr now and it has still not posted. am I doing something wrong? Thanks Mike -

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread tracy latimer
Jeff, unless this has been covered before, why are hot desert meteorites useless for studying irons? Admittedly, hot desert irons (NWA/Sahara only?) can be counted on the fingers of one hand, but scarcity doesn't affect the study of any other type.The latest Hotmail tweak will not allow me

[meteorite-list] Kesen micro -- AD

2007-04-16 Thread tracy latimer
I had a stash of meteorite micros that I just rediscovered, among which was a micro of Kesen, an uncommonly-available fall from Japan. Thanks to the good graces of Moritz Karl, I just got a much larger chip of Kesen, so this one can go. It is a Bessey Speck (literally; I got it from Dean!)

Re: [meteorite-list] help with email

2007-04-16 Thread Art
Hi Mike; Emails that are formatted in HTML or rich text get held by the List server and I have to approve them before they go through. As I may not look at pending approvals right away, they could sit awhile. The best thing is to make sure your emails are going out formatted in plain text.

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread Adam Hupe
Hi Doug and List, I just think the science has not caught up yet with the amount of rare and unusual meteorites to come out of the hot deserts. From a planetary standpoint Martian and Lunar meteorites have been outnumbering Antarctica by more than a 4 to 1 ratio the last ten years. Best Regards,

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

2007-04-16 Thread M come Meteorite Meteorites
The prices now moroccans want its ridiculous, they want exaggerated prices also for ruined and weathered OC - last time have ask to me $1/gr. for material of max. 0.10/gr. value - eucrites sale time ago for $2/gr. now they want $6-10/gr. - of the same find - for not speack of carbonaceous they

Re: [meteorite-list] Metal Distribution

2007-04-16 Thread Adam Hupe
I don't know any more about metal distribution. Check out the recommended classification below for NWA 960, the world's first H/L/LL3 Chondrite and to think I have been calling the Tooth Stone: http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=31971 Best Regards, Adam Hi List: I have