[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - March 2, 2004

2004-03-02 Thread Ron Baalke
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Grinding, Take Two - sol 58, Mar 02, 2004 On sol 58, which ends at 7:52 p.m., PST on March 2, the planned four-hour rock abrasion tool grind of "Humphrey" was limited to only 20 minutes. The intricate slopes and cracks of the ro

Re: [meteorite-list] A "Strike" with a spare ball

2004-03-02 Thread Rosemary Hackney
h.. In a vacuum, Galileo proved that a feather and a rock fell at the same rate.  32 ft per second per second. ( gravity )   The difference outside of a vacuum depends on the density of air i.e sea level.. or airplane altitude.. Air currents.. temperature and shape of the item.   Termin

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite economics revisited

2004-03-02 Thread Rosemary Hackney
LOL Wu Am bundling up my meteorites and hiding them under the... oh No you don't.. Not gonna part me from them that easily.  Remind me to charge you higher prices next time ...   Rosie - Original Message - From: Howard Wu To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, Ma

Re: [meteorite-list] A "Strike" with a spare ball

2004-03-02 Thread MexicoDoug
Hola Rob, You're right about the terminal velocity of a chondrite, in the shape of a bowling ball being much faster than a conventional bowling ball.  This might still be a little counter intuitive, but, here are some 9 inch diameter bowling ball terminal velocities (there's a lot of algebra behin

Re: [meteorite-list] not too worried

2004-03-02 Thread stan .
What this statement means is that it is not going to be offered for sale to the public at $2.80 a gram when $5.00 a gram was paid in the field. This stunt was pulled in the past in order for one dealer to prove a point to another without consideration for collectors and other dealers who took a l

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite economics revisited

2004-03-02 Thread Howard Wu
.Since meteorites are a non-essential commodity, if theprice is too high, people simply go without. Rob are you kinding! They are more addictive than Heroin. Howard Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now

RE: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help?

2004-03-02 Thread Howard Wu
I have meet Steve Arnold of Chicago. I sense no malficience in Steve, though he is an agent of chaos.  He just a crazed pasionate hobbiest, not a proffesional dealer. And he's just as likely to lose money on his meteorite churnings as he is to gain.  I like him personally but I not above criticizi

[meteorite-list] Meteorite economics revisited

2004-03-02 Thread Matson, Robert
Hi All, On the subject of meteorite economics, I have a couple comments -- actually, more ~reminders~, since this ground has been covered many times before. I'm going to use Adam's recent e-mail as a talking point since it mentions the key issues that come up again and again on meteorites and pri

[meteorite-list] all is fine

2004-03-02 Thread Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!
Hello list.I just got done talking to keith about what happened today.We settled our problem, and all is fair again.I made a mistake on something, and some things were assumed.It just took a little talking to.From now on, we will be more precise,and cooler heads will prevail.

Re: [meteorite-list] not too worried

2004-03-02 Thread Adam Hupe
Bill, not that we need to explain anything to you, we will address your question since you were compelled to ask it on the List in the middle of a so-called firestorm. What this statement means is that it is not going to be offered for sale to the public at $2.80 a gram when $5.00 a gram was paid

[meteorite-list] A "Strike" with a spare ball

2004-03-02 Thread Matson, Robert
Hi Doug,   Good point on the density of a bowling ball.  Intuitively, I would have guessed the density was around 2 g/cm^3, when in fact it is barely above 1 g/cm^3 -- about 1.15 for a 16-lb ball (the mass I was assuming).  An ordinary chondrite of the same size would weigh close to 50 l

Re: [meteorite-list] A "Strike" with a spare ball

2004-03-02 Thread MexicoDoug
Another way to make this more "intuitive" is to imagine sticking a bowling ball out the window of a car traveling 155 mph.  Do you think that 14 pounds of air resistance would be on it?  Imagine at over 300 mph (the 140 m/s you mentioned). Saludos Doug En un mensaje con fecha 03/02/2004 6:57:27 P

[meteorite-list] WHAT IS THIS????? ACCUSED OF RIPPING PEOPLE OFF!!

2004-03-02 Thread Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!
Good evening list.I was on the phone with a local collecter, and we were talking about a few things, and he said, do you know that you are being ripped on the meteorite list?And I said, no.What are you talking about?He said that someone is very unhappy about the ebay trans action you sent them.The

Re: [meteorite-list] Thauthe comments that were made earlier

2004-03-02 Thread Chauncey Walden
Uh, Mike, those weren't my words (except for the first two lines where I said I was passing the message to the list from Ronnie.) And I believe his reference to Ambrose/Ashworth comments was referring to exchanges made on the list months ago. Please don't shoot the messenger. Chauncey _

[meteorite-list] A "Strike" with a spare ball

2004-03-02 Thread Matson, Robert
On the subject of dropping objects from high places:   > On Feb. 13 a single-engine Cessna flew low over the Utah desert toward the  > Bonneville Seabase at 80 knots. Pilot Patrick Wiggins checked his altimeter.  > As planned, he was just 820 feet (250 meters) above the surface.    At this

[meteorite-list] not too worried

2004-03-02 Thread joseph_town
"We are not too worried about you -damaging the market- this time with your share that only amounts to a few hundred grams after you divide it up with your investors." Well, I don't smoke hash and I still see exactly what this statement implies. Bill Kieskowski ___

Re: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help?

2004-03-02 Thread tett
Keith, I find that your email offensive and inappropriate. It appears to me that you have not given Steve enough time to respond to your concerns and you are using the list to slander him. You say you emailed him and he did not respond. Have you considered that he may not have received your ema

[meteorite-list] A "Strike" with a spare ball

2004-03-02 Thread MexicoDoug
A brief of this (current from space.com) was already posted to the list (Bob V. / Ron B.) as some onlookers mouths dropped in disbelief.  Personally it sounded like much fun and that there is plenty to learn from observing terminal velocitied meteoroid like objects smashing into the ground and stud

Re: [meteorite-list] Thauthe comments that were made earlier

2004-03-02 Thread Michael Farmer
now chauncy, I suggest you pass this on to Mr Mckenzie. I NEVER ONCE posted one negative word regarding David Ambrose, if you can find it, I will eaqt my words sir. Mr Ambrose was nothing but nice, and I know that he gave the money to build schools. Now, there was mr Ashworthy, another British c

[meteorite-list] Re: Ad-sale Reverse meteorite & book auction III

2004-03-02 Thread Mikestockj
Hi List Here is the next reversal of auction prices. How many more will there be and when will it end...you just never know. Grab them while they are still available. Make sure you check out the books at the bottom of the list. Some are used and some are brand new.Shipping is free on purchases ov

[meteorite-list] Opportunity Rover Finds Strong Evidence Meridiani Planum Was Wet

2004-03-02 Thread Ron Baalke
MEDIA RELATIONS OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIF. 91109 TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov Guy Webster (818) 354-5011 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Donald Savage (202)

Re: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help?

2004-03-02 Thread Peter Marmet
  Hello list, I bought twice from Steve: nice items, fast shipping, nothing negative - positive feedbacks. Peter Marmet   Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems wrote: Ok, I think that it is time to say something positive about Steve. I have had about 20 transactions with him over the last 8 months, and the

RE: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help?

2004-03-02 Thread Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems
Ok, I think that it is time to say something positive about Steve. I have had about 20 transactions with him over the last 8 months, and there was only one problem that was corrected by him pretty fast. Other than that, all bids I won were exactly what he offered (and some GREAT deals amongst them

Re: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help?

2004-03-02 Thread David Freeman
Dear All, I don't know why you penny pinchers continue to purchase from someone who doesn't adhere to good IMCA practices. I have no compassion for you. Scales is one, no reference books, what other clues do you need? Anyone to tight to throw in a riker mount box to keep customers happy shou

RE: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help?

2004-03-02 Thread Howard Wu
Is Steve up to his bad boy behavor again? I thought last time we took him to the woodshed, we'd straightened him out.   Grow up Steve!!  And you continue to pinch meteorites, buy a scale.   http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/SaleSearch?ht=1&satitle=gram+scale&sosortorder=1&sosortproperty=3   Howard

RE: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help?

2004-03-02 Thread harlan trammell
i too have heard that this should be avoided. >From: "Arizona Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help? >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:48:57 -0700 > >Hello List > >Avoid

[meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help?

2004-03-02 Thread Arizona Keith
Hello List Avoid Steve Arnold of Chicago auctions, unless you want to be ripped off. I just got the stuff from I won from Steve Arnold Chicago weeks ago. First he shows the meteorite in a Riker boxes in his auctions, but I never got the boxes, items showed up in plastic bags. He never stated tha

Re: [meteorite-list] MARS NEWS

2004-03-02 Thread STUARTATK
In a message dated 02/03/2004 18:03:08 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, what's the Mars news that is so secret, Stromatolites? Banded Irons? Frozen water?  Who knows sompthin? Take a wander over to the Forums (specifically Unmanned Probes / Spirit & Opportunity 1 / 2 / 3 & 4 ) a

[meteorite-list] MARS NEWS

2004-03-02 Thread David Freeman
Dear List, So, what's the Mars news that is so secret, Stromatolites? Banded Irons? Frozen water? Who knows sompthin? Inquiring mind wants to know, I have all three for sale! DAve F. mjwy __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pair

Re: [meteorite-list] ID ?

2004-03-02 Thread Michael L Blood
Hi all, I am hoping someone out there can help me. I am selling the collection of the late Richard Learn. He has a beautiful specimen identified only as "yet unnamed NWA - LL3? TKW 660g found 2000." Can anyone identify a killer NWA found in 2000 with a TKW of 660g? I am sur

Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - February 27, 2004

2004-03-02 Thread STUARTATK
In a message dated 28/02/2004 01:13:08 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The microscopic imager also took three sets of observations of the hole created by the rock abrasion tool on sol 30. Opportunity later took stereo images of the rock area named "Maya" Does anyone know if this "ar

[meteorite-list] Fw: 120 Auctions Ending Today!

2004-03-02 Thread Michael Cottingham
  - Original Message - From: Michael Cottingham To: Michael Cottingham Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: 120 Auctions Ending Today! Hello Everyone,   120 Auctions Ending Today!  Also Check out My Ebay Store: Voyage Botanica Natural History for other great deals!   Go

Re: [meteorite-list] Thauthe comments that were made earlier

2004-03-02 Thread MARK BOSTICK
Chauncey and list,     Chauncey wrote: "Prof Ambrose is an academic who had no interest in the commercial value of the meteorite and was only interested in cataloging the material and documenting the fall from a purely scientific viewpoint."   I would like to add that Prof. Ambrose did a great job

[meteorite-list] Rosetta Begins Its 10-Year Journey To Comet Churyumov-Gerasimenko

2004-03-02 Thread Ron Baalke
European Space Agency Paris, 2 March 2004 Press Release N° 14-2004 Rosetta begins its 10-year journey to the origins of the Solar System Europe's Rosetta cometary probe has been successfully launched into an orbit around the Sun, which will allow it to reach the comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko i

[meteorite-list] Rosetta Soars on Ambitious Comet Intercept Mission

2004-03-02 Thread Ron Baalke
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/ariane/v158/040302launch.html Rosetta soars on ambitious comet intercept mission BY STEPHEN CLARK AND JUSTIN RAY SPACEFLIGHT NOW March 2, 2004 Embarking on its epic voyage to gain new insights into comets and the history of our solar system, the Rosetta spacecraft

Re: [meteorite-list] Thauthe comments that were made earlier

2004-03-02 Thread Chauncey Walden
Since he was "mentioned in dispatch" so to speak, Ronnie McKenzie has asked me to post this to the list for him: In response to the recent mis-information posted by Mr Farmer I feel compelled to clarify the record on Thuathe for a second and hopefully last time - obviously he either didn't read

RE: [meteorite-list] sterilizing that probe...!

2004-03-02 Thread mark ford
Hi Ethylene Oxide was rejected as a viable sterilization method on the Viking lander missions, so am I right in assuming they (NASA) have changed that idea? (It's just that they found viable microorganisms after treating with Ethylene Oxide...) Mark Ford -Original Message- From: st

[meteorite-list] Re Mining Claims/ Meteorites

2004-03-02 Thread WAHLPERRY
Hi List,   Thanks for all of your responses to my question. You are all a great source of information.   Sonny

Re: [meteorite-list] An insight to Amgala and other recent falls

2004-03-02 Thread almitt
Hi Howard and all, Howard Wu wrote: Those professional desert dealers in town spiking prices upward each year, however is another story...screw them. Tell them a Michael Blood's declining market doldrum story. How else will they get rid of these rocks. They can't eat them. Well sad to say when I

Re: [meteorite-list] An insight to Amgala and other recent falls

2004-03-02 Thread moni waiblinger-seabridge
Hi List, I must agree with the members that ask that the interchange between two *warriors* are kept private. I really would like to keep the members on the list that have genuine interest in meteorites and promoting only the good parts of it. Also I really would enjoy having Bernd come back, b

[meteorite-list] Meteorite cocktail..mix and shake well....

2004-03-02 Thread Gtceb
Greetings list: I think if you take great passion for meteorites, throw in large amounts of money, mix in a large dose of pride and ego, add the complexities and stresses of finding/aquiring the stones, blend in varying degrees of stone rarity and the sciences involved, and finally top off with w

[meteorite-list] 11 new ebay auctions

2004-03-02 Thread Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!
Good morning list.I have uploaded 11 new auctions with 10 of them starting at $1.00.The other is a gorgeous 1.6 kilo piece of GIBEON.They are up for 5 days only.Bid very ,very high and bid very,very often. THANKS, steve arnold, chicago, usa!! = Steve R.Ar

Re: [meteorite-list] An insight to Amgala and other recent falls

2004-03-02 Thread MexicoDoug
En un mensaje con fecha 03/01/2004 6:18:57 PM Mexico Standard Time, todo el mundo escribe: >Why is it that with every new fall it brings the worst out in some people? A very interesting question, too bad it was only rhetorical so far. My head is REALLY hurting badly from the latest interchanges

Re: [meteorite-list] An insight to Amgala and other recent falls

2004-03-02 Thread Michael L Blood
on 3/2/04 12:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > maybe after reading the above you now agree > with me? > You'd have had a better chance if you hadn't called me "dearest". (I work in > the theatre biz but one shouldn't assume stereotypes) ;-) > > Gregory -

Re: [meteorite-list] An insight to Amgala and other recent falls

2004-03-02 Thread Sharkkb8
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Dearest Gregory, >> Uh, oh. <<  You are right on on some things and way off on others. >> Story of my life, except for the "right on some things" part. <<  It is that "tone" of the discussion to which Iwas protesting, not the content, itself.  >> I don't like pointle

Re: [meteorite-list] An insight to Amgala and other recent falls

2004-03-02 Thread stan .
Any hallucinations of "price fixing" are worthy of a hash pipe. my two cents as a buyer: price fixing isnt something that requires multiple parties to be involved in, given the relativly small and exotic nature of the buisness / hobby of meteorites. If a dealer buys all of a particular find, th

Re: [meteorite-list] sterilizing that probe...!

2004-03-02 Thread stan .
Have all other groups sterilized previous martian landers? if not then the planet has already been contaminated. Whasnt it LDEF that came back home and much to scientists surprise terrestrial organisms that werent removed from the structure (ie they were NOT intended payloads) prior to launch h