Re: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan
SDI has been around Since Reagan. Black ops moneyhas funneled through the Navy budget for decades. Am wondering what " real" science is. Science comes from the Latin 'sciens' meaning "to know".A lot of technology we take for granted has been a by - product of the space program. Even Einstein and Oppenheimer worked on " secret" space related programs. Maybe that is where E=mc (squared) came from. Rosie - Original Message - From: Howard Wu To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; meteorite-list Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan Come on now, there are some rational criticism that can be made on scientific and bugetary grounds. And Senator Glenn has been an in the loopNASA advocate for years and very qualified to put foward an opinion. Besides this new policy is not yet writen in stone and is likely to further evolve as time goes on. Bushie didn't write this policy he just signed off on it.It is high onFlash Gordon adventure while cutting into real science. Actually I kind of like it except for the hidden star wars elements. Howard Wu[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Typical partisan crap.no matter what the President would have proposed, the angry liberals would have found something to complain about.yada...yada...yada.yawn.__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
RE: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan
I heard a lot of complaining when the Hubble went up during the first Bush administration... mostly liberals wining that the money could have been better spent on free abortions or whatever. Does anyone seriously believe that science won't progress during an effort to inhabit the moon and, ultimately, get to Mars? I'm not the biggest fan of Dubya, but I refuse to check my brain in at the door and blindly join the "Bush is bad... anyone else is good" crowd. Besides, Randeee, this is a meteorite forum and one of a kind. Unlike the thousands of political forums out there where you should be spewing your lefty crap.--- On Thu 03/04, Randy aka Randy Mils [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Randy aka Randy Mils [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 16:10:09 -0800Subject: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Chimp Space Plan http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/nm/20040304/sc_nm/space_bases_dc_2 FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Join Excite! - http://www.excite.comThe most personalized portal on the Web!
RE: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan
where you should be spewing your lefty crap So please keep your righty crap to yourself as well. Thank you. Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan I heard a lot of complaining when the Hubble went up during the first Bush administration... mostly liberals wining that the money could have been better spent on free abortions or whatever. Does anyone seriously believe that science won't progress during an effort to inhabit the moon and, ultimately, get to Mars? I'm not the biggest fan of Dubya, but I refuse to check my brain in at the door and blindly join the Bush is bad... anyone else is good crowd. Besides, Randeee, this is a meteorite forum and one of a kind. Unlike the thousands of political forums out there where you should be spewing your lefty crap. --- On Thu 03/04, Randy aka Randy Mils [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Randy aka Randy Mils [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 16:10:09 -0800 Subject: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Chimp Space Plan http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/nm/20040304/sc_nm/space_bases_dc_2 FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! image001.jpg
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RE: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Chimp Space Plan
Am I the onyone that finds it sad that the opinion of former Astronaut John Glenn and the first American to orbit the earth is considered by some list membersto benot proper for posting on this list but the discussion of "uhuhuhuhuh" and other non-words is?Randy From: "Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:06:07 +0100 ". where you should be spewing your lefty crap" So please keep your "righty crap" to yourself as well. Thank you. _ Best regards, Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems CEO RPGDot Network Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks & Scams. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Amgala TKW?
G'day List, Does anyone know 'roughly' what the TKW for Amgala is? So far it seems pretty low as I've only seen about 2-3 kilos offered. Cheers, Jeff __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Chimp Space Plan
Randy and List, It seems that this list suffers from a double standard from time to time. Personally, I think that issues pertaining to the USA space program deserve more bandwidth and attention on this list than threads like uhuhuhuhuh and the like. If you want to enforce the letter of Art's laws, most of Ron Baalke's posts shouldn't appear here, after all, what do Mars probes have to do with meteorites? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Baalke's posts and hope they continue to appear on this forum. As caustic as Randy can be at times I think he makes a good point on this issue. I'd much rather toss his subject around for a few days instead of watching Round 75 of the meteorite ego wars or read one more theory about the evolution of a nonsensical word. Have a great weekend, John Gwilliam At 05:30 AM 3/5/2004 -0800, Randy aka Randy Mils wrote: Am I the ony one that finds it sad that the opinion of former Astronaut John Glenn and the first American to orbit the earth is considered by some list members to be not proper for posting on this list but the discussion of uhuhuhuhuh and other non-words is? Randy From: Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems To: Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:06:07 +0100 . where you should be spewing your lefty crap So please keep your righty crap to yourself as well. Thank you. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network -- http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2746??PS=Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks Scams. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Notre Dame Geologist Lends Skill in Mars Probe
http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2004/03/05/local.20040305-sbt-MARS-A1-ND_geologist_lends_s.sto ND geologist lends skill in Mars probe NASA asks scientists to develop ways to study rocks for signs of past life. By DAVID RUMBACH South Bend Tribune (Indiana) March 5, 2004 SOUTH BEND -- University of Notre Dame scientist Clive Neal hopes to join the search for life on Mars -- without ever leaving the Midwest. Neal said the way to follow up on a recent discovery by the rover Opportunity is to scrutinize some Earth rocks similar to those the robotic laboratory found on Mars. NASA officials announced Tuesday that data sent back from Opportunity confirmed that the environment where it had landed was once watery and conducive to life. Neal said the next step is to search for rocks on Earth that are chemically similar to those analyzed by the rover's sophisticated scientific instruments. The telltale Mars rocks contain various sulfur salts that, on Earth at least, are always the product of evaporation. We have evaporate deposits like this in Michigan,'' Neal said, indicating that candidate Earth rocks might be found nearby. They used to mine it.'' Opportunity and its robot twin, Spirit, are never coming back, and their instruments cannot conclusively test for evidence of past life. Those tests will have to wait for a future NASA mission in which a robot is to scoop up some Martian soil and return it to Earth, Neal said. That mission is scheduled for completion in 2013. Between now and then, NASA is asking scientists at universities on Earth to begin developing ways of studying Mars rocks to look for signs of past microbial life. Neal said he hopes to do some of that work at Notre Dame, possibly in conjunction with planetary scientists from other universities. We will start this in earnest this summer,'' he said. The first step will be to find analogs,'' that is, rocks from Earth that are just like those that will be brought back from Mars nine years from now. They may be as close as Michigan. The most straight-forward evidence of past life would be for scientists to find fossils of bacteria in the Mars rocks. But they may not be that lucky, or they may not be able to recognize the shapes of bacteria that evolved on Mars. The next best thing would be to find indirect evidence of bacterial activity, Neal said, sort of like detectives finding forensic evidence at a crime scene. One possible avenue for indirect evidence stems from the fact that bacteria are known to metabolize sulfur compounds in a way that, even eons later, leaves a characteristic pattern of isotopes (variations of elemental atoms). Neal, an associate professor of civil engineering and geological sciences, said he has been studying a meteorite that originated in the interior of Mars. That study was aimed at learning how the planet was formed. But now he's planning to put aside that line of research and focus on the hot topic: looking for signs of past life on the surface. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A World Ruled By Fungi
http://www3.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-03/src-awr030504.php Contact: Göran Frankel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 46-46-222-9458 Swedish Research Council A world ruled by fungi March 5, 2004 This release is also available in Swedish: http://www.lu.se/info/pm/677_pressm.html The catastrophe that extinguished the dinosaurs and other animal species, 65 million years ago also brought dramatic changes to the vegetation. In a study presented in latest issue of the journal Science, the paleontologists Vivi Vajda from the University of Lund, Sweden and Stephen McLoughlin from the Queensland University of Technology, Australia have described what happened to the vegetation month by month. They depict a world in darkness where the fungi had taken over. It´s known that an asteroid hit the Yucatan peninsula in Mexico at the end of the Cretaceous Period. It left a 180 km wide crater and from the impact site tsunamis developed and the Caribbean region was buried in ash and other debris. The consequences of the asteroid impact were global. Vajda and her colleagues have previously studied the broad-scale changes in the New Zealand vegetation following the impact, but now they have dramatically improved our view of the timing of events. At the end of the Cretaceous the vegetation on New Zealand was dominated by conifers and flowering plants. Many of these species disappeared suddenly at the end of the Period and were instead replaced by fungal spores and fungal threads preserved in a four millimeter thick layer of coal. The layer coincides with fallout of iridium, an element rare in Earth's crust but which abounds in asteroids. We have managed to reconstruct the event month by month, with a very high time resolution, says Vivi Vajda. During a very short period - from between a few months to a couple of years - the fungi and other saprophytes which live on dead organisms must have been the dominating life form on Earth. Atmospheric dust blocked the sunlight and led to the death of plants that are dependent on photosynthesis. The layer of fossil fungi is followed by a 60 cm thick interval containing traces of the recovery flora, which re-established relatively quickly, ground ferns at first, followed after decades to hundreds of years by more diverse, woody vegetation. A similar layer of fungi and algae is known from a previous catastrophe which happened 251 million years ago at the Permian-Triassic boundary. This was an even greater mass extinction: about 90% of the existing species disappeared. Research will now focus on whether the similar biological signatures at these mass extinctions reflect similar causal mechanisms. ### Vivi Vajda's e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] with phone no 46-46-222-3959. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Did a Comet Trigger The Great Chicago Fire of 1871?
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20040301/comet.html Did a Comet Trigger The Great Chicago Fire? By Irene Mona Klotz Discovery News March 5, 2004 Perhaps it was not Mrs. O'Leary's cow kicking over a lantern that sparked the Great Chicago Fire of 1871, which destroyed the downtown area and claimed 300 lives. New research lends credence to an alternative explanation: The fire, along with less-publicized and even more deadly blazes the same night in upstate Wisconsin and Michigan, was the result of a comet fragment crashing into Earth's atmosphere. The comet theory has been around - and most often discarded - since at least 1883, but Robert Wood, a retired McDonnell Douglas physicist, said never before has the orbital parameters of the rogue comet been taken into consideration. The likely suspect, in Wood's eyes, is a fragment from Biela's Comet, which had been circling the sun every six years and nine months before a close encounter with Jupiter caused it to break into two large fragments in 1845. During its next passage, astronomers noted a 1.5-million mile, 15-day gap between the two pieces. Wood said his analysis of the fragments' positions during subsequent orbits shows that Jupiter's gravity again affected their speed and trajectory, sending the smaller fragment on a path toward Earth that ended in October 1871. He presented his findings at a conference last week titled Planetary Defense: Protecting Earth from Asteroids, held in Garden Grove, Calif. Wood cited eyewitness reports of spontaneous ignitions, lack of smoke and fire balloons falling from the sky to bolster his theory. If the fire had been caused by comet debris, which is believed to have consisted of small pieces of frozen methane, acetylene or other highly combustible chemicals, it also would explain the cause of the fires blazing north of Chicago, which wiped out 2,000 people and burned 4 million acres of farm and prairie lands. The deceased included many who showed no signs of being burned, Wood said. This would be consistent with either the absence of oxygen or the presence of carbon monoxide or carbon dioxide above lethal levels, - a rare - but not unprecedented - situation in large forest fires. In all, over a 24-hour period, an area of land the size of Connecticut was burned. Wood speculates the main body of the comet crashed into Lake Michigan, with peripheral fragments causing the fires in Chicago, Wisconsin and Michigan. NASA is among a handful of agencies and organizations working on cataloging potentially threatening near-Earth asteroids and comets. What would be done about any threatening asteroids, however, remains the domain of science fiction. What's important about these findings, Wood said, is that they show you people can actually get killed from something from out of space. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Chimp Space Plan
Hi John, Just to add my 2 centavos that I agree with all the substance of your message: let me add a possible tweak on the first statement... Rather than a "double standard," ever consider it might be more of a "twin stage addiction" of a sort. Some (or many) members can't do without their meteoritic hits. So when it is quiet, a "You've Got Mail" "meteorite-list" message from a meteorite person in the mailbox is enough to elicit the desired result no matter what the message says, and thus by association: meteorite! But the flip side is once the particular hit dosage becomes physiologically homeostatic, the the other Freudian functions of sometimes diverse list members kick in. Similar problems with side effects (diarrhea and vomiting, for example) to the problems pharma companies have in designing a one-dose-fits all product. (This present message couldn't be harder on bandwidth than the other bah-ha-uh-muah-caca, could it?) Saludos Doug En un mensaje con fecha 03/05/2004 10:11:38 AM Mexico Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe: It seems that this list suffers from a double standard from time to time. Personally, I think that issues pertaining to the USA space program deserve more bandwidth and attention on this list than threads like "uhuhuhuhuh" and the like. If you want to enforce the letter of Art's laws, most of Ron Baalke's posts shouldn't appear here, after all, what do Mars probes have to do with meteorites? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Baalke's posts and hope they continue to appear on this forum. As caustic as Randy can be at times I think he makes a good point on this issue. I'd much rather toss his subject around for a few days instead of watching Round 75 of the meteorite ego wars or read one more theory about the evolution of a nonsensical word.
RE: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Chimp Space Plan
John, Randy and others, I too am not a big fan of politics on the list but in this case we have an opinion from someone, John Glenn, who feels the proposed program for NASA is off based. He offers up good questions. 1. Should we limit funds for important research that is already in the works? 2. Do we need to go to the moon first before a Mars trip is possible? Both good questions, can we/will we resolve on the list...no. But a discussion of this type is certainly worthy of a few comments when compared to some of the other nonsense we have posted. Randy...I think it is the chimp reference to the President in the subject line that gets folks worked up. John Randy and List, It seems that this list suffers from a double standard from time to time. Personally, I think that issues pertaining to the USA space program deserve more bandwidth and attention on this list than threads like uhuhuhuhuh and the like. If you want to enforce the letter of Art's laws, most of Ron Baalke's posts shouldn't appear here, after all, what do Mars probes have to do with meteorites? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Baalke's posts and hope they continue to appear on this forum. As caustic as Randy can be at times I think he makes a good point on this issue. I'd much rather toss his subject around for a few days instead of watching Round 75 of the meteorite ego wars or read one more theory about the evolution of a nonsensical word. Have a great weekend, John Gwilliam At 05:30 AM 3/5/2004 -0800, Randy aka Randy Mils wrote: Am I the ony one that finds it sad that the opinion of former Astronaut John Glenn and the first American to orbit the earth is considered by some list members to be not proper for posting on this list but the discussion of uhuhuhuhuh and other non-words is? Randy From: Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems To: Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:06:07 +0100 . where you should be spewing your lefty crap So please keep your righty crap to yourself as well. Thank you. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network -- http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2746??PS=Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks Scams. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] list-crying, ad nauseum
*sigh* Longing for a meteorite-list which would have exactlyONE rule: NO NARCISSISM ALLOWED - i.e., no posts like: "Someone actually dared towrite something that wasn't 100% individually tailored to my personaltaste.Golly,itwill take me along timeto get over this witheringblow to my huge egoand in the meantime surely everyone else will enjoy reading my whining about it all." GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918Santa Monica, CA 90403
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images - March 1-5, 2004
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES March 1-5, 2004 o THEMIS Images as Art #21 (Released 1 March 2004) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040301A.html o THEMIS Images as Art #22 (Released 2 March 2004) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040302A.html o THEMIS Images as Art #23 (Released 3 March 2004) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040303A.html o THEMIS Images as Art #24 (Released 4 March 2004) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040304A.html o THEMIS Images as Art #25 (Released 5 March 2004) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040305A.html All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.la.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in collaboration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan
...as opposed to the conservatives, who ALWAYS give careful, thoughtful, uncritical evaluations of the things that liberals propose without regard to politics. - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ You're not going crazy. You're going sane in a crazy world! -The Tick Typical partisan crap.no matter what the President would have proposed, the angry liberals would have found something to complain about.yada...yada...yada.yawn. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] nwa 3045
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[meteorite-list] Who is entropydave?
All, I'm looking at an auction on eBay from seller entropydave. Does anyone know who this guy is? He has an IMCA number, but we all know that doesn't always mean a lot... :) Can anyone here vouch for him? Please reply off list. Thanks! - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ You're not going crazy. You're going sane in a crazy world! -The Tick __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Chimp Space Plan
Hi all, I have never had much interest in MOST of Ron Baalke's posts, BUT it has always been clear to me that a significant portion of the list IS interested - in fact, VERY interested, so, there is no question at all as far as I am concerned, that he should continue full blast. I just don't open most of his posts. Occasionally, he posts something I, also, am VERY interested in, but that is beside the point. The point is, MANY on the list are VERY interested in his posts, so, to me there is no question whatsoever about his going for it all the time. Again, just like the ego wars - YOU DON'T HAVE TO OPEN THE EMAIL - JUST HIT DELETE. I guess I am dumb, because I sure don't understand why people just don't seem to be able to understand that. Best wishes, Michael on 3/5/04 8:06 AM, John K. Gwilliam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randy and List, It seems that this list suffers from a double standard from time to time. Personally, I think that issues pertaining to the USA space program deserve more bandwidth and attention on this list than threads like uhuhuhuhuh and the like. If you want to enforce the letter of Art's laws, most of Ron Baalke's posts shouldn't appear here, after all, what do Mars probes have to do with meteorites? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Baalke's posts and hope they continue to appear on this forum. As caustic as Randy can be at times I think he makes a good point on this issue. I'd much rather toss his subject around for a few days instead of watching Round 75 of the meteorite ego wars or read one more theory about the evolution of a nonsensical word. Have a great weekend, John Gwilliam At 05:30 AM 3/5/2004 -0800, Randy aka Randy Mils wrote: Am I the ony one that finds it sad that the opinion of former Astronaut John Glenn and the first American to orbit the earth is considered by some list members to be not proper for posting on this list but the discussion of uhuhuhuhuh and other non-words is? Randy From: Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems To: Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:06:07 +0100 . where you should be spewing your lefty crap So please keep your righty crap to yourself as well. Thank you. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network -- http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2746??PS=Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks Scams. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- When Jesus said Love your enemies I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- For perspective, try THIS: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html -- cool message fro Ben Jerry: www.TrueMajority.org/oreo -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -- Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - March 4, 2004
The science and engineering team built a whopping 490 commands to accomplish the most complex robotic arm operations on Mars yet. Opportunity took three mosaics on the area dubbed "Last Chance," using the microscopic imager, creating 128 images in over 200 arm moves. Each "frame" of these mosaics required multiple microscopic images. There are two reasons for this. First, the microscopic imager does not have auto-focus, My two hundred dollar camera has autofocus and weighs less than a pound while this eight hundred million dollar baby doesn't? Maybe we should have "outsource" to Sony. ;) Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] Re: Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan
No, conservatives just have more class than to interject politics in a meteorite forum--- On Fri 03/05, Bob Martino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob Martino [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:14:27 -0700Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan...as opposed to the conservatives, who ALWAYS give careful, thoughtful,uncritical evaluations of the things that liberals propose without regard topolitics.-Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ"You're not going crazy. You're going sane in a crazy world!"-The Tick Typical partisan crap.no matter what the President would haveproposed, the angry liberals would have found something to complainabout.yada...yada...yada.yawn.__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listJoin Excite! - http://www.excite.comThe most personalized portal on the Web!
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Rovers
Ron, please keep posting about Mars. We have Mars meteorites, and the rovers are analyzing the rocks there, what could be more related than that? Personally, I think we all need that data to prove once and for all that out SNC's are Martian. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Rovers If you want to enforce the letter of Art's laws, most of Ron Baalke's posts shouldn't appear here, after all, what do Mars probes have to do with meteorites? Both Mars rovers landed in impact craters, and that alone is enough to make it meteorite-related. The rocks on Mars are connected via the Mars meteorites. The search for water on Mars may lead to life on Mars and ALH 84001. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Chimp Space Plan
Hello Randy and list You are wrong, you used the word Chimp, You made it Political,and made yourself the chimp! Maybe John Glenn will change his opinion once again, if NASA sends him back into space, like they didlast timeto get his vote for the space program. Glenn is a politician how, so politics affect his opinion, and makes this more of a political statement. One of your other post said "DUBYA is the worst president EVER", and I ague he's the worst President since Clinton who lied, steeled and got kick backs for pardons, see, it gets us nowhere. Let keep politics and religion off this list, and all other non-science post, or we will go nowhere and see the death of this list. I for one enjoyall of Ron Baalke and Bernd Pauli post. Thanks your time list Keith V. Chandler AZ - Original Message - From: Randy aka Randy Mils To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 6:30 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Chimp Space Plan Am I the onyone that finds it sad that the opinion of former Astronaut John Glenn and the first American to orbit the earth is considered by some list membersto benot proper for posting on this list but the discussion of "uhuhuhuhuh" and other non-words is?Randy From: "Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:06:07 +0100 ". where you should be spewing your lefty crap" So please keep your "righty crap" to yourself as well. Thank you. _ Best regards, Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems CEO RPGDot Network Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks Scams. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sex, religion and meteorite essays?
Oh Geeze, lets go back and talk religion again, NOT, for those not old timers, look up the archival battles Maybe Mark B. could do the semi annual refreshment of the why meteorites are cool essay that won the free meteorite specimen a while back. Although a bit rambling, the essay was extremely virtuous in content. It is special enough to be refreshed often I feel, better than babble, chest beating or the pathetic choices for political gain... Dave Freeman Arizona Keith wrote: Hello Randy and list You are wrong, you used the word Chimp, You made it Political, and made yourself the chimp! Maybe John Glenn will change his opinion once again, if NASA sends him back into space, like they did last time to get his vote for the space program. Glenn is a politician how, so politics affect his opinion, and makes this more of a political statement. One of your other post said DUBYA is the worst president EVER, and I ague he's the worst President since Clinton who lied, steeled and got kick backs for pardons, see, it gets us nowhere. Let keep politics and religion off this list, and all other non-science post, or we will go nowhere and see the death of this list. I for one enjoy all of Ron Baalke and Bernd Pauli post. Thanks your time list Keith V. Chandler AZ - Original Message - From: Randy aka Randy Mils mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 6:30 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Chimp Space Plan Am I the ony one that finds it sad that the opinion of former Astronaut John Glenn and the first American to orbit the earth is considered by some list members to be not proper for posting on this list but the discussion of uhuhuhuhuh and other non-words is? Randy From: Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems To: Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:06:07 +0100 . where you should be spewing your lefty crap So please keep your righty crap to yourself as well. Thank you. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks Scams. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2746??PS= __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Rovers
Hi All, most times Ron Baalke's posts are the only ones worth reading. I am still learning about meteorites and I am still excited about the list, but there are definitely times, when... Keep up the wonderful information you are adding to the list, Mr. Baalke! Happy hunting, Moni From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Meteorite Mailing List) Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Rovers Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 13:54:43 -0800 (PST) If you want to enforce the letter of Art's laws, most of Ron Baalke's posts shouldn't appear here, after all, what do Mars probes have to do with meteorites? Both Mars rovers landed in impact craters, and that alone is enough to make it meteorite-related. The rocks on Mars are connected via the Mars meteorites. The search for water on Mars may lead to life on Mars and ALH 84001. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time Offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Rovers
most times Ron Baalke's posts are the only ones worth reading THANK YOU, MONI that`s all to say. Mike, IMDA # 0001
[meteorite-list] EBAY AUCTIONS ENDING TOMORROW NIGHT
Good evening list.I have 10 auctions ending tomorrow night between 9 and11 0'clock chicago time.Up for grabs are;EL SAMPAL,NWA 1068 (MARS),NWA 1109 EUCRITE,NWA 1650 EUCRITE,TULIA(B),NWA 3045, and I just listed for 3 days a 4.3 gram thick slice of BELMONT from wisconsin.There are some steals to be had.Bid high and often. steve from chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Rovers
OK, I'll bite What the heck is IMDA?. Dealer's Ass? tett - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Rovers most times Ron Baalke's posts are the only ones worth reading THANK YOU, MONIthat`s all to say.Mike, IMDA # 0001
[meteorite-list] Amgala now publicly on sale eBay AD
Dear List Members, First of all, we would like to thank those of you who purchased a good portion of this fall in private from our catalog and to others whom expressed an interest. We made an additional 1.5 plus kilograms available today on ebay. We have approximately 1.1 kilograms more coming in Monday. After that we will be sold out because little more is being found. For the latest information on Amgala (Working name) check out our ebay auctions by clicking on the link below: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoritelab/ Individuals are priced from $7.50 a gram to $12.00 a gram based on level of crust and size. Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Wishing everybody the best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock.com IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [meteorite-list]someting else! Asteroids
Hello list, Rob and Moni, Rob wrote, via Moni: "In other asteroid news, an asteroid was officially named after metoday! See page 2 here:http://www.hohmanntransfer.com/mn/0403/05.htm--Rob" I can see signed Robmatsonoid models on eBay next week. Congratulations Rob. That's great to hear. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Rovers
Ron: Please keep the images coming. Probably more than anything else on this list, I look forward to the Mars Odyssey Themis Images and the Mars Rover Updates. Regards, Dave If you want to enforce the letter of Art's laws, most of Ron Baalke's posts shouldn't appear here, after all, what do Mars probes have to do with meteorites? Both Mars rovers landed in impact craters, and that alone is enough to make it meteorite-related. The rocks on Mars are connected via the Mars meteorites. The search for water on Mars may lead to life on Mars and ALH 84001. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: someting else! Asteroids
Hello list, Rob and Moni, Rob wrote, via Moni: In other asteroid news, an asteroid was officially = named after me today! See page 2 here: http://www.hohmanntransfer.com/mn/0403/05.htm --Rob Congratulations Rob! You can view the asteroid's orbit here: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/db_shm?des=73491 Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Congratulations on having an asteroid named after you!
Rob Matson: Congratulations on the honor of having an asteroid named after you. The Minor Planet Center today updated its Discovery Circumstances pages with 93 new namings. The highest numbered asteroid with a name is now 73491 Robmatson (2002 PO164), a Main Belter discovered by Sebastian Hoenig in the NEAT/Palomar archive. Rob Matson is also an archive sleuth (see 2004 DW news) as well as a meteorite and SOHO comet hunter. Regards, Dave Hi List and Rob, I did get permission from our own list member Rob Matson to post this email he send to me. I thought it to be very interesting and would like to share it with you. Happy hunting, Moni that reminds me, have you found one lately? Yep -- nearly every day. But all of the finds credited to me (so far) have been Main Belt asteroids. The most interesting and rewarding work was my precovery of asteroid 2004 DW last month. You may have read about this giant icy TNO (trans-Neptunian object) in the news, as it is probably the largest body that has been found in the solar system other than the planets and their moons. You can read about it here: http://www.hohmanntransfer.com/mn/0402/21.htm In other asteroid news, as asteroid was officially named after me today! See page 2 here: http://www.hohmanntransfer.com/mn/0403/05.htm --Rob _ Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: someting else! Asteroids
Congratulations Rob. And lest we forget, Ron also has one named after him"(6524) Baalke".
[meteorite-list] entropydave's Secret Identity
All, Thanks to all who responded to my query about entropydave. I got many responses, all of them very positive. I can now, as they say, bid with confidence. ..Isn't this a great list when we aren't all getting snippy? :) - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ You're not going crazy. You're going sane in a crazy world! -The Tick __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Who is entropydave?
In a message dated 3/5/2004 11:30:27 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm looking at an auction on eBay from seller "entropydave". Does anyone know who this guy is? He has an IMCA number, but we all know that doesn't always mean a lot... :) Can anyone here vouch for him? Please reply off list. Yes, IMCA numbers do mean something!!! And EntropyDave is Dave Harris one of the British collectors/dealers on the List, and a highly reliable person. I certainly recommend him. And I am sure I won't be the only one. Anne M. Black www. IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA #2356
Re: [meteorite-list] [meteorite-list]someting else! Asteroids
Hi Rob and List, Congratulations! Very nice! Rob, has also coordinated astronomical observations with an in-flight shuttle astronaut. A very busy (and successful) man. Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: moni waiblinger-seabridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 7:02 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] [meteorite-list]someting else! Asteroids Hi List and Rob, I did get permission from our own list member Rob Matson to post this email he send to me. I thought it to be very interesting and would like to share it with you. Happy hunting, Moni that reminds me, have you found one lately? Yep -- nearly every day. But all of the finds credited to me (so far) have been Main Belt asteroids. The most interesting and rewarding work was my precovery of asteroid 2004 DW last month. You may have read about this giant icy TNO (trans-Neptunian object) in the news, as it is probably the largest body that has been found in the solar system other than the planets and their moons. You can read about it here: http://www.hohmanntransfer.com/mn/0402/21.htm In other asteroid news, as asteroid was officially named after me today! See page 2 here: http://www.hohmanntransfer.com/mn/0403/05.htm --Rob _ Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar - includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
