Re: [meteorite-list] Katrina Charity Raffle
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[meteorite-list] AD - Many auctions ending today
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[meteorite-list] Ad- Sweet Pultusk, Bovedy, Park Forest
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[meteorite-list] AD - Raffle Fail and eBay auctions ending
Hello Looks like eBay not like harity auctions. They removed my Howie slice becouse of my logo. So I will add it again tooday at 4:00pm eBay time. I have also some great items ending tooday on German and US ebay. Morasko, Dronino, Gao with cool inclusion Mundrabilla Quartz crystals - beautifulll and synthetic Seelasgen Taza and few more http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=polandmet_com -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] re: One Find, Two Astronomers: An Ethical Brawl
Sterling wrote: Marco calls Brown's observations unpublished and unreported yet also refers to a published abstract of Brown's and to the publicly accessible website. If so, there's a reason that that the law refers to publishing on the web. To place anything on the web is to PUBLISH it, legally. So, we are drawing a line here that weaves in and out among various definitions of publish, and that line is not a straight line. Is the criterion peer-review alone? Not to the world at large... In solar system minor body research, discovery credit is given based on who first reported astrometry for the object. And Brown et al. DID NOT REPORT ASTROMETRY. In fact, their abstract gives very little information. From the abstract alone it is not possible to identify their object with 2003 EL61. Only by combination with the accessed telescope logs, is it possible to *suspect* that it is 2003 EL61 because those logs point to an object in the same area. Those telescope logs represent a grey area. Their status is not clear at all. They appear to be public, but where they meant to be so? Given it is established rule that it is the reporting of astrometry that counts, there is nothing improper about Ortiz et al getting the discovery credit, even if they suspected Brown et al. migh have been observing the same object. There is no grey area regarding that. MPC/IAU rules are clear in that. Brown et al. made a conscious decision when deciding to not yet report astrometry. They had their reasons for that (which were valid), but they knew the risks. When somebody else observes the same object and reports astrometry, you are outdone, and only can blame yourself in this case. About the DSP abstract status: note that there are scientific journals that do not accept references to meeting abstracts, as they do not consider it a proper publication. With further regard to the DSP abstract, I will let noted minor body astronomer David Tholen answer that one further. Below statement by Tholen comes from yesterdays MPML list edition: Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:58:32 -1000 (HST) From: Dave Tholen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Letter from Ortiz 1. DPS abstracts are not refereed. 2. The old rule of thumb is that you publish enough information so that somebody else can reproduce your results. Could anybody have reproduced the reported results, or even have pointed a telescope at the object, based on the information in the abstract? The appearance of the abstract being the first public information on the object therefore is insufficient to claim discovery credit. If that wasn't the case, then we could have a case in which a person writes an abstract claiming discovery of an object larger than Pluto, and then waits around until somebody else actually publishes positions for such an object, and then claim that the object they were talking about in the abstract was that one. There's a good reason why the reporting of the astrometry is a critical part of the discovery claim. (David Tholen, MPML message 17 Sep 2005) What has been happening, is that Ortiz et al. have been accused, rather violently, of scientific misconduct (note the word 'scientific' here, meaning: according to scientific rules of conduct). Scientific misconduct would have been the case if they would *not* have known their images contained 2003 EL61 *before* they accessed the SMARTS telescope log through the internet. But if they discovered the object themselves on their images and then found out about the internet telescope log when trying to find some more information on an unidentified object (it was: only an unofficial internal designation was mentioned in the DSP abstract, no location and no orbit data too) briefly mentioned in an abstract that seems similar (in terms of: being big), they did not break any rules of scientific conduct at all in the rest of their actions. Even when they might have strongly suspected (as was the case here) it *could* be the same object. It was Brown himself who (again: for valid reasons, so I am not *blaming* him) has been withholding the pertinent information for anyone else to identify an object with their object. You cannot transfer any kind of blame for that to Ortiz et al. And anyone who feels that Ortiz et al. *did* not know their images contained 2003 EL61 *before* they accessed the SMARTS telescope log through the internet, should *prove* that before that accusation is accepted. That is the norm in both science, and western society. Untill that proof is provided, I hold Ortiz et al. as innocent. Also because their version of the story is not something highly unlikely: it is very plausible, it would be an understandable sequence of events and actions. - Marco - Dr Marco Langbroek Leiden, The Netherlands Volunteer image reviewer Spacewatch FMO Project NEAT archive hunter Admin FMO Mailing List e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] private website
Re (addition 2): [meteorite-list] re: One Find, Two Astronomers: An Ethical Brawl
Sterling also wrote: Stoss uses NEAT data, DSS and POSS data, to refine the orbit. He never uses Brown's data? Wouldn't that help refine it? Not at all, because the telescope log data provide you with only rough telescope pointing positions, not the arcsecond accuracy object positions Ortiz' data, NEAT data, DSS and POSS provided. With the Ortiz, NEAT, DSS and POSS data available through Ortiz' and Stoss observing data and Stoss's image archive precovery activities, the addition of Browns/SMARTS telescope log data would not have improved the orbital solution at all (rather, it would probably have worsened it). The SMARTS log did not contain astrometry for the object, only rough telescope pointing locations. Yet, 20 minutes after the times of his own Mallorca observations and recovery of the object, someone at IAA is accessing Brown's positional data AGAIN. I am most curious. Why? Are they merely curious? At this point, they have discovery positions (2003), archival positions (NEAT, etc.), and current position (Mallorca) of their object. Why check someone else's data if you are not going to use it and claim that you are not even sure if it's the same object? As explained above, with the data they HAD at that time, Brown's data would not have contributed anything valid at all to what they already had. Hence, this MUST have been curiosity, yes. And understandable. There is that mysterious reference to an object that could or could not be the same. It is understandable that you compare the little that is known about that object to your data. In fact, with what orbital data they already have, they can easily determine from Brown's data accessed the first time that it IS the same. They could determine that it was very likely to concern the same object. Which is interesting, but holds no further meaning. Curiosity could very easily lead to further comparison. The fact that they accessed the data again after accumulating a much larger and much more accurate body of data themselves, points out that they did not acces the data in order to use it, but rather to compare. This strongly suggest the question behind this was: is it really the same object?. By contrast, if Browns data would have been the starting point for finding the object in the first place, they would not have had to question whether it was the same object For the rest, I refer to my previous mails. - Marco - Dr Marco Langbroek Leiden, The Netherlands Volunteer image reviewer FMO Spacewatch Project NEAT archive hunter Admin FMO Mailing List e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] private website http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek/asteroid.html FMO Mailing List website: http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek/fmo.html - __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector?
A question on the correct terminology for someone who collects meteorites? A meteorologist is someone that studies the atmoshpere and properties related to our weather. A numismatist is a collector of monies and related articles, coins, banknotes, shares, cheques., a notaphilist is someone that specialises in banknote currencies. What, are we to call ourselves, there must be a correct terminology for what we are? Collectors of meteorites. Kevin, VK3UKF. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector?
I don't know about collectors, but a person who studies meteorites (which I would hope describes most collectors) is called a meteoriticist. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Kevin Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector? A question on the correct terminology for someone who collects meteorites? A meteorologist is someone that studies the atmoshpere and properties related to our weather. A numismatist is a collector of monies and related articles, coins, banknotes, shares, cheques., a notaphilist is someone that specialises in banknote currencies. What, are we to call ourselves, there must be a correct terminology for what we are? Collectors of meteorites. Kevin, VK3UKF. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite on August 10th, 1862, in Jamaica?
Hi list, I just need to confirm whether any such fall was registered on this date or thereabouts in Jamaica, to finish an article. Does anyone have a record for one? Thanks and regards, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector?
Kevin, Meteoritophiles? Bob From: Kevin Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 01:53:38 +1000 Copies to: Subject:[meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector? A question on the correct terminology for someone who collects meteorites? A meteorologist is someone that studies the atmoshpere and properties related to our weather. A numismatist is a collector of monies and related articles, coins, banknotes, shares, cheques., a notaphilist is someone that specialises in banknote currencies. What, are we to call ourselves, there must be a correct terminology for what we are? Collectors of meteorites. Kevin, VK3UKF. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector?
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 01:53:38 +1000, Kevin Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A question on the correct terminology for someone who collects meteorites? A meteorologist is someone that studies the atmoshpere and properties related to our weather. A numismatist is a collector of monies and related articles, coins, banknotes, shares, cheques., a notaphilist is someone that specialises in banknote currencies. What, are we to call ourselves, there must be a correct terminology for what we are? I believe that, for advanced collectors, the term would often be in debt to my eyebrows or divorced. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector?
Baetylophages. Starrockers Telepetrologists. Meteorists (smells). or simply Wackos? (I guess that's what your families will would say..) - Original Message - From: Bob King [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector? Kevin, Meteoritophiles? Bob From: Kevin Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 01:53:38 +1000 Copies to: Subject:[meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector? A question on the correct terminology for someone who collects meteorites? A meteorologist is someone that studies the atmoshpere and properties related to our weather. A numismatist is a collector of monies and related articles, coins, banknotes, shares, cheques., a notaphilist is someone that specialises in banknote currencies. What, are we to call ourselves, there must be a correct terminology for what we are? Collectors of meteorites. Kevin, VK3UKF. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector?
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 01:53:38 +1000, Kevin Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A question on the correct terminology for someone who collects meteorites? A meteorologist is someone that studies the atmoshpere and properties related to our weather. A numismatist is a collector of monies and related articles, coins, banknotes, shares, cheques., a notaphilist is someone that specialises in banknote currencies. What, are we to call ourselves, there must be a correct terminology for what we are? I believe that, for advanced collectors, the term would often be in debt to my eyebrows or divorced. Or how about Haagist or Haagite? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 7th Meteoritical Picnic
http://www.polandmet.com/+7_piknik.htm Hello 13 august in my home take place 7th Meteorite Picnic. First time it was organized not in Gregor Pacer house in Poland. Take a look at my relation translated by my girlfriend :) (tnx Alex) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Katrina raffle results?
Hello list, Any news on the raffle winners or any report out of Denver for that matter? Having been to the COMETS dinner, I can imagine some list members there are probably just waking up now ;-) Thanks, Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector?
Keeper of ugly brown stones Spacejunk(y) Aerolitismatiker But Martin's is the best : Starrockers please call me now: Hulk the Starrockers sincerely Hulk the starrockers Ops, forgot to ask Martin if he wants to take that name now . Bookleboo starrockers doesn't sound bad, what do You think ? Andi -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Martin Altmann Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. September 2005 19:33 An: Bob King; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector? Baetylophages. Starrockers Telepetrologists. Meteorists (smells). or simply Wackos? (I guess that's what your families will would say..) - Original Message - From: Bob King [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector? Kevin, Meteoritophiles? Bob From: Kevin Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 01:53:38 +1000 Copies to: Subject:[meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector? A question on the correct terminology for someone who collects meteorites? A meteorologist is someone that studies the atmoshpere and properties related to our weather. A numismatist is a collector of monies and related articles, coins, banknotes, shares, cheques., a notaphilist is someone that specialises in banknote currencies. What, are we to call ourselves, there must be a correct terminology for what we are? Collectors of meteorites. Kevin, VK3UKF. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite on August 10th, 1862, in Jamaica?
In a message dated 9/18/2005 10:42:49 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi list, I just need to confirm whether any such fall was registered on this date or thereabouts in Jamaica, to finish an article. Does anyone have a record for one? Thanks and regards, Chris No there is not. The only Jamaican meteorite known is Lucky Hill, found in 1885. (you really need to get a copy of Meteorites from A to Z);-) Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: new ebay auctions
Hi! Please delete this message if you are not interested. I just listed some new auctions. If you like please take a look. Just follow this link: http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteoriten Thank you and Best Regards Moritz Karl www.m3t3orites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite on August 10th, 1862, in Jamaica?
Hi Anne, Thanks for that! Yes, I see I need to invest in a few reference works now I've entered the field. Can I ask you for one more favour? Can you give me something I can use as a bibliographical reference for the 1885 report (page number etc)? Absolutely no hurry. Thanks again, Chris No there is not. The only Jamaican meteorite known is Lucky Hill, found in 1885. (you really need to get a copy of Meteorites from A to Z);-) Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Who won ????
Who wonn Cant wait to hear. :-) Lars __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite on August 10th, 1862, in Jamaica?
Chris wrote: I just need to confirm whether any such fall was registered on this date or thereabouts in Jamaica, to finish an article. Does anyone have a record for one? Anne responded: The only Jamaican meteorite known is Lucky Hill, found in 1885. Yep, that's the only Jamaican meteorite I found in my database but August 10th sounds very much like a substantial Perseid fireball or bolide that may have been mistaken for a meteorite that fell right behind the next mountain range or something like that. Why I think so? Most of us know that the Perseids are thought to be bits of debris shed by comet SWIFT-TUTTLE 1862 III ... 1862 !!! a bibliographical reference for the 1885 report ... BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Vol. 2, pp. 788-789: Lucky Hill, Jamaica 17° 54' N, 077° 38' W Medium octahedrite, Om. Structural details unknown / Group unknown / Analysis unknown History Little is known of this heavily weathered meteorite. According to Fletcher (Introduction to the Study of Meteorites, editions 1886, 1888 and 1894) the mass was found in 1885 at Lucky Hill, St. Elizabeth and was presented by the Governors of the Jamaica Institute, in Kingston, to the British Museum. The following is an excerpt from a handwritten entry in the acquisition record book of the Institute of Jamaica, Kingston, containing a preliminary report of the Island Chemist: Found in digging yams (= sweet potato) in garden in front of house, about two feet deep, April l7th, 1885. Presented by (the finder) Philip Sterling, Lucky Hill, Bellevue, St. Elizabeth. -- Received in three pieces which fitted together showing they were the three fragments of one stone. They weighed respectively 25 lbs, 11 lbs, and 8 lbs., totalling 44 lbs. The small fragments weighed 9 ozs. so that the whole stone before it was broken must have weighed over 45 lbs. (20.5 kg). The outside of the stone appeared to be hematite, the portion within the outer skin - proved to be magnetic oxide of iron. - The mass was made up of either tetra- or octahedral crystals, some nearly 3/4 inch in length of edge. These crystals when not tarnished were of almost silver whiteness, they easily cleaned yielding thin plates, and proved to be iron with a little nickel. The coordinates of the place have been given differently by Brezina (1896), Ward (1904a) and Hey (1966). Those above are as reported by the last mentioned. Collections London, British Museum (4,640 g, probably the 11 lb fragment), London, Museum of Practical Geology (3.2 kg, probably the 8 lb fragment), Berlin (64 g), Chicago (51 g), Washington (40 g), Vienna (21 g). Smaller fragments are present in many collections, but all specimens appear to be extremely weathered. Analysis No analytical work has been reported because of the bad state of the material. Description The three fragments in the U.S. National Museum are oxidized fragments with indistinct octahedral outlines. They contain a few specks of unaltered metal, insufficient, however, for any description. The specific gravity is about 4.2 g/cm3. The 4.6 kg in the British Museum consist of similar weathered fragments, ranging from powder size to 4 x 2 x 2 cm in size. Unweathered metal is apparently inside some fragments and should be examined. Specimens in the U.S. National Museum in Washington: Three weathered fragments of respectively 15, 21 and 3.8 g (nos. 2888 and 2889). Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Denver Show Pictures
I have posted pictures from the Denver show. Mainly Auction, Dinner, and Raffle. I think this link works for the public: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/black_bart_data/album?.dir=/e6e0.src=ph I don't recognize most the people, so please email me with names - Reference the picture name and give people from Left to right. -- McCartneyTaylor, IMCA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector?
For me it´s clear: Met-Junk(y): And this fits to most of collectors I know! Ingo --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --- Von: Andreas Gren [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: AW: [meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector? Datum: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:47:31 +0200 Keeper of ugly brown stones Spacejunk(y) Aerolitismatiker But Martin's is the best : Starrockers please call me now: Hulk the Starrockers sincerely Hulk the starrockers Ops, forgot to ask Martin if he wants to take that name now . Bookleboo starrockers doesn't sound bad, what do You think ? Andi -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Martin Altmann Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. September 2005 19:33 An: Bob King; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector? Baetylophages. Starrockers Telepetrologists. Meteorists (smells). or simply Wackos? (I guess that's what your families will would say..) - Original Message - From: Bob King [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector? Kevin, Meteoritophiles? Bob From: Kevin Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 01:53:38 +1000 Copies to: Subject:[meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector? A question on the correct terminology for someone who collects meteorites? A meteorologist is someone that studies the atmoshpere and properties related to our weather. A numismatist is a collector of monies and related articles, coins, banknotes, shares, cheques., a notaphilist is someone that specialises in banknote currencies. What, are we to call ourselves, there must be a correct terminology for what we are? Collectors of meteorites. Kevin, VK3UKF. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS http://www.gmx.net/de/go/promail +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More +++ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite on August 10th, 1862, in Jamaica?
Dear Bernd, That makes a lot of sense! As part of my historical/folkloric study I am writing about a meteorite that allegedly fell on that date near Kingston, Jamaica. The earliest reference to it is from 1874 - a very imaginative account, but in my experience the dates are generally chosen for a reason. In this case the writer was a German scientist writing about astronomy, so I guess he knew something I didn't. Thanks again, Chris. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Terminology, meteorite collector?
Well, after the feedback, I can either choose one of my own, since I have always liked the term Sky Stones for meteorites, that might make me a Sky Stoner, ? or I can choose between being a phile or a cist. meteoriticist ( I feel is probably more correct ) Meteoritophiles (A very close second ) Baetylophages. ( I do have a couple on a pedestal ) Starrockers ( When's the concert, I worked as a roadie for a while, I can also count past two, one, two, testing... three, see.) Telepetrologists. ( Well done ) Meteorists ( Another maybe ) Cheers all, Kevin. VK3UKF. A question on the correct terminology for someone who collects meteorites? A meteorologist is someone that studies the atmoshpere and properties related to our weather. A numismatist is a collector of monies and related articles, coins, banknotes, shares, cheques., a notaphilist is someone that specialises in banknote currencies. What, are we to call ourselves, there must be a correct terminology for what we are? Collectors of meteorites. Kevin, VK3UKF. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re-2: Meteorite on August 10th, 1862, in Jamaica?
Chris wrote: The earliest reference to it is from 1874 - a very imaginative account, but in my experience the dates are generally chosen for a reason. In this case the writer was a German scientist writing about astronomy, so I guess he knew something I didn't. 1874 ... sounds like Rose or Tschermak ?!? Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Who won ????
I'll give you a hint.I don't think he is a list member anymore. Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Who won ????
Chicago Steve ! Called me... happy as hell Who woulda thought ?? - Original Message - From: Lars Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Who won Who wonn Cant wait to hear. :-) Lars __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2: Meteorite on August 10th, 1862, in Jamaica?
No, August Nathaniel Bohner (1809 - 1892), scientist and theologist. The book I'm using has chapters on volcanoes, meteorites and the seasons of Mars. I'd tell you more about his weird meteorite tale but you'd just think it's silly! Regards, Chris On 18 Sep 2005 20:23:49 UT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris wrote: The earliest reference to it is from 1874 - a very imaginative account, but in my experience the dates are generally chosen for a reason. In this case the writer was a German scientist writing about astronomy, so I guess he knew something I didn't. 1874 ... sounds like Rose or Tschermak ?!? Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Who won ????
Is that why it has been so peaceful? Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:33 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Who won I'll give you a hint.I don't think he is a list member anymore. Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Who won ????
This could also be one of the two Davids!? ;-) From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Who won Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:33:08 -0500 I'll give you a hint.I don't think he is a list member anymore. Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Re (addition 2): [meteorite-list] re: One Find, Two Astronomers:An Ethical Brawl
Hi, Marco While I am far from a working knowledge of the astrometric procedures, no practical experience doing so, in other words, I note that in addition to the the rough pointing data you refer to, it appears that among the files accessed were the ccd processing logs. As I said earlier: the ccd processing logs... are crucial too because they identify K40506A in the field coordinates, That is to say objects are identified by pixel coordinates, i.e., 782, 349. If you have read the specification of their ccd, say, a 1024 square pixel array, you are able to pinpoint the position of K40506A in the field. If then, there are other identified objects, such as stars (which there are) with pixel coordinates, one is able by interpolation to fix the position of K40506A to a high degree of precision and a fair degree of accuracy (the two not being the same) for a given time of exposure (which is also in those logs). Even I, a refugee from the pre-calculator era, could do it with no resources beyond a sharp pencil... That is why I said the access of those logs was significant. But, the matter is essentially a dead issue, important primarily to the individuals involved. I am much more interested in 2003EL61 itself! Its shape, for example. Now, there's a puzzle worthy of puzzlement. Sterling K. Webb --- Marco Langbroek wrote: Sterling also wrote: Stoss uses NEAT data, DSS and POSS data, to refine the orbit. He never uses Brown's data? Wouldn't that help refine it? Not at all, because the telescope log data provide you with only rough telescope pointing positions, not the arcsecond accuracy object positions Ortiz' data, NEAT data, DSS and POSS provided. With the Ortiz, NEAT, DSS and POSS data available through Ortiz' and Stoss observing data and Stoss's image archive precovery activities, the addition of Browns/SMARTS telescope log data would not have improved the orbital solution at all (rather, it would probably have worsened it). The SMARTS log did not contain astrometry for the object, only rough telescope pointing locations. Yet, 20 minutes after the times of his own Mallorca observations and recovery of the object, someone at IAA is accessing Brown's positional data AGAIN. I am most curious. Why? Are they merely curious? At this point, they have discovery positions (2003), archival positions (NEAT, etc.), and current position (Mallorca) of their object. Why check someone else's data if you are not going to use it and claim that you are not even sure if it's the same object? As explained above, with the data they HAD at that time, Brown's data would not have contributed anything valid at all to what they already had. Hence, this MUST have been curiosity, yes. And understandable. There is that mysterious reference to an object that could or could not be the same. It is understandable that you compare the little that is known about that object to your data. In fact, with what orbital data they already have, they can easily determine from Brown's data accessed the first time that it IS the same. They could determine that it was very likely to concern the same object. Which is interesting, but holds no further meaning. Curiosity could very easily lead to further comparison. The fact that they accessed the data again after accumulating a much larger and much more accurate body of data themselves, points out that they did not acces the data in order to use it, but rather to compare. This strongly suggest the question behind this was: is it really the same object?. By contrast, if Browns data would have been the starting point for finding the object in the first place, they would not have had to question whether it was the same object For the rest, I refer to my previous mails. - Marco - Dr Marco Langbroek Leiden, The Netherlands Volunteer image reviewer FMO Spacewatch Project NEAT archive hunter Admin FMO Mailing List e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] private website http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek/asteroid.html FMO Mailing List website: http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek/fmo.html - __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
