Re: [meteorite-list] A guy with meteorites article
For sure the 2 pieces he have in the hand show in the photo is 100% not meteorites..I hope he not have see this is meteorites or is good he not help people with meteorites. Matteo --- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: I don't know about other browsers, but in Windows Explorer, the pictures cover half of the text of the article. One of the photos shows two possible meteorites. One is an Odessa iron. The other, though, is a stony iron meteorite found in his yard. That one may or may not be the one that he thinks is worth $200. http://www.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051029/NEWS01/510290309/1002 When night falls and most folks are thinking about retiring to the warmth of their beds, Beech Bluff resident Malcolm Wilcox is sitting on his deck staring at what he calls a busy sky. The other night I saw a fireball, he said. It was the biggest I've seen in my life. A retiree, Wilcox has taken up a new hobby - sky watching. In addition to his love for Civil War history, Wilcox is an amateur astronomer and has started going to different sites in West Tennessee to investigate meteorites. A meteorite is defined as a mass of rock or metal that has survived the friction of Earth's atmosphere to reach the surface, according to the School Discovery Web site. Wilcox, 65, treasures a meteorite that he collected when he was 16 in Odessa, Texas, in 1956. To some, Wilcox's meteorite may look like just any old rock. But the weight of the jet-black object might just turn a skeptic into a believer. Back then, I didn't think anything of it (his meteorite), and I traded a lot of them, Wilcox said. And now this is my only one like it. Sky watchers who are seeking to confirm a meteorite may think they could turn to NASA (National Aeronautics and Space Administration) for confirmation - think again. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which is a division of NASA, does not travel to confirm meteorite strikes. If we did that, we would never get any other work done, said D.C. Agle, a JPL spokesman in Pasadena, Calif. But if someone finds something they have confidence in, they should contact a local science museum or university, he said. Wilcox uses his telescope at night from his deck to watch the activity in the sky. He also keeps a Bounty Hunter brand metal detector and magnet on wheels handy for when he's out in the field. There's money in meteorites, said Wilcox as he held up a Stony Iron meteorite, which he believes would be valued at $200. He's been researching meteorites for the past six months and keeps two meteorite books on hand that he calls his bibles. Wilcox believes he's good enough to spot a fraudulent meteorite claim by checking for a few key factors. Iron and nickel contents are a good sign that it's a meteorite, he said. And if a person sees a meteor falling, then there should be a scent of sulfur. Let the sky watching begin. Visit talkback.jacksonsun.com to share your thoughts. - Tajuana Cheshier, 425-9643 Originally published October 29, 2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Some fakes on ebay
The meteorwronks on ebay in this time its many, here some... http://cgi.ebay.com/STONEY-MICHIGAN-METEORITE_W0QQitemZ6574305453QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/meteorite_W0QQitemZ6574204453QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/a-sphere-recently-found-in-england-0-99-n-r_W0QQitemZ6574151850QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Sunday auctions ending
Hello List, again it's sunday and some of our auctions are ending. This time we have a etched Brahin , a beautiful big slice of Benguerir with crust, Franconia, Dhofar, Ghubara, a etched Campo del Cielo , unclass NWA's, L3.3not to forget Capot Rey complete piece, nice IMB slices. Take a look here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZgipometeorites Thanks for viewing! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Kulp meteorite needes
Hello I need a little piece of Kulp Meteorite, fall in Armenia. Please write me in private. regards Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MUNICH 2005 - a few photos
Hello list, A great show again in Munich this year! I just added a few photos: http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id16.html Peter Marmet __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Monthly Favourite - November 2005
www.meteorites.com.au/favourite.html I'd like to personally thank Andrzej Pilski for the help he gave me regarding this month's favourite meteorite. Thank you! Cheers, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Warning about an E-bay seller.
Hello everyone, as some of you know I had not received my package from the seller meteoritemarina. After all is said and done three months later I never received the package. They did get the $1525.00 and the $65.00 for shipping. I got nothing. So learn from my mistake if you deal with this seller and anything goes wrong you are out 100%. Mike Miller // E-Bay flattoprocks Website // www.meteoritefinder.com Check out the web site it is up and running! Mike Miller 230 Greenway Rd. Kingman AZ 86401 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning about an E-bay seller.
I have buy from meteoritemarina and its all go ok, pack arrive in 1 week. A few exaggerated the shipping cost...this yes. Matteo --- Mike / flattoprocks [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hello everyone, as some of you know I had not received my package from the seller meteoritemarina. After all is said and done three months later I never received the package. They did get the $1525.00 and the $65.00 for shipping. I got nothing. So learn from my mistake if you deal with this seller and anything goes wrong you are out 100%. Mike Miller // E-Bay flattoprocks Website // www.meteoritefinder.com Check out the web site it is up and running! Mike Miller 230 Greenway Rd. Kingman AZ 86401 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] MUNICH 2005 - a few photos
Good Morning Peter, Dean and List, thanks for all the photos. I can't wait to meet you all in Ensisheim next year! With best regards, and a 'Sternengruss', Moni From: Peter Marmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteoritenliste Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] MUNICH 2005 - a few photos Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:09:59 +0100 Hello list, A great show again in Munich this year! I just added a few photos: http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id16.html Peter Marmet __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: AD! Auctions ending and Over 500 items in my ebay store!
- Original Message - From: michael cottingham To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 10:23 AM Subject: FW: AD! Auctions ending and Over 500 items in my ebay store! From: michael cottingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 10:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AD! Auctions ending and Over 500 items in my ebay store! Hello Folks, It has been a while since I have posted a sale! Maybe nearly 4 months? Anyway, I have jumped back in the saddle and I have listed Over 500 items in my Ebay Store! Go to: http://stores.ebay.com/Voyage-Botanica-Natural-History Also, I have Auctions Ending! Go to: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ3QQsascsZ1QQsassZmeteoriteQ2dcollec tor Thanks Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MeteoriteArticles.com AD: Major Sale....final weekend
Hello Everyone, Last two days of my major sale. After monday I will be shutting down for several weeks, to caught everything up and to move into my new place. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com Johnstown Diogenite Meteorite, Fell over a Funeral 1924. Retails at $900...starting at $0.99 with no reserve! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6573274579 Park Forest Meteorite, 14.5 grams of the Garza Stone! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6573275314 Moroccan METEORITE, 950 grams, Awesome Shape! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6573276893 Winona, Arizona Meteorite, Winonaite Namesake 0.39g. Comes with a Monnig Collection/TCU Label. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6572706305 Nerft H5 Meteorite, 1864 Latvia Fall 13.6g Slice RARE. Comes with a Monnig Collection/TCU Label http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6572717414 Clover Springs Mesosiderite Meteorite Part Slice 2.6g. Comes with a Monnig Collection/TCU Label http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6572722469 Silverton, Briscoe County, Texas H4 Meteorite 20.0g. Comes with a Monnig Collection/TCU Label http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6572710462 Willamette (Oregon) Iron Meteorite 15.6g Shape Fragment http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6572759509 NWA 1096 LL3.6 Meteorite Endcut 11.87g, Collection Item http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6573014348 Dimmett H3-4 Breccia Meteorite 48.4g Half Slice w/Crust http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6572733663 Dhofar 020 Oman H4-5, S4 Meteorite - 176 gram http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6572745185 NWA 1077 CR2 Meteorite 2.35g Main Mass from Collection http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6573016883 Collection Piece: Bicolite Meteorite Tektite 133g Nice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6572727978 NWA 528 H5 Meteorite Slice 29.6g - Collection Piece http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6572698074. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Munich notes
Hi everyone, After a hectic two days of perusing the massive Munich show, it is finally over, and I will be on my way home tomorrow with a stop in Paris. The weather here has been incredible, over 70 degrees and not a cloud in the sky the last two days! Very abnormal for Germany at the end of October. The show was interesting, a lot of people who usually set up were not here. Some things of note, the Moroccans has virtually NO meteorites, compared to last year, there was like 10% what they used to have. Also there was a lot of the ´Fuking` Pallasite from China. It was being offered at less than 10Euros a gram in large chunks, I saw pieces from 100 grams to 2 kilos. Apparently the buyers have divided the massive pallasite up and are now going to flood the market. Looks like a good buying opportunity when the price collapses. It is beautiful stuff, but with over 900 kilos, coming on the market, we know where this goes. There were ZERO large gibeons or Sikhotes, except a couple at Erich Haiderer´s always full table. Moritz again had the best display of rare material, with Martian, Lunar, Pallasite, and nice irons from Aussie museum trades. Hans had the usual rally nice Campos, and Karl Sprich many nice Gibeon pieces cut into spheres and cubes. Moldavites are everywhere. I may have broken a planetary record in Morocco, so get your pennies rolled and wait for the news. Michael Farmer Munich __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Crackpot Theory Redux
Hi, Axel, List, Hitting the atmosphere at very high speeds generates a plasma of very high temperature. Normal re-entry plasma temps are 3000 degrees for carefully controlled orbital re-entry. For the normal meteoroid re-entry, temps are 15,000 degrees (or more). For the high speed particle, expect 50,000 to 200,000 degrees within a millisecond. At these temperatures, the black body spectrum contains major intensities in X-Ray and even gamma frequencies. These very effectively transfer the energy of the plasma to the body of the particle. The result, within another few milliseconds, is a cartoon noise: Pfooot! The particle is gone. What remains is mostly slow-moving iron ions, drifting away on the thin exosphere... The vast majority of cosmic rays are protons. The big nuclei create a cascade of particle transformations that end in a flurry of photons and neutrinos. The most effective detectors for high mass cosmic rays are flash detectors and deep neutrino detectors. Interesting (to me, anyway) is the fact that the heavy high speed nuclei have experienced so much relativistic increase in mass that a nuclei whose weight is a laughable concept will bulk up until it weighs as much a good sized bacterium! Back to iron particles from supernovas: The collapse of a star that masses many times the mass of our Sun into a Type II supernova takes place in less than a second! So the event that creates the iron nuclei is effectively instantaneous. The nuclei all have the same mass; they all experience the same energy accelerating them. So velocities are initially very uniform, and the expanding shell of particles is very thin and precise. Even after several light years of travel the shells remain pretty well defined. The density of iron particles encountered depends entirely on the distance to the supernova. Initially Knie and Hillebrandt guessimated the supernova that produced their 60-Fe at 90 to 125 light years away. Then, refining the results, they came up with about 75-90 light years away. The more recent berylium-10 results suggest the explosion was closer. Now, they are more cautious: 25 to 75 light years away. Since the density of particles depends on the inverse square of the distance, cutting the estimate from 125 light years away to 25 light years away increases the density 25-fold! Big difference. You raise an interesting point about a heat flash from re-entering particles at high density. I don't think so, but it's like the chance that the first atom bomb would set the atmosphere afire; you wouldn't want to have to say, well, I didn't think to check that... Every kilogram of material striking the atmosphere at 40,000 m/sec (average for a meteoroid) generates a specific heat (proportional to temperature) of 194,134 calories. That's 8.12256656 × 10^12 ergs. At 400,000 m/sec, it's 100 times greater, or 8.12256656 × 10^14 ergs. The surface area of ONE SIDE of the Earth is 250,000,000 m^2. So the average energy delivered is 3,000,000 ergs per m^2 per kg, at this velocity, or about 1/2 of a joule. The Sun's flux is about 1400 joules per m^2, so to equal the heat of Sun, the event would require 2800 kilos PER SQUARE METER impacting the atmosphere, or more than a ton of iron particles per square meter. This is unlikely many light years from a supernova. (If you were closer, you'd have other, bigger problems!) Big sigh of relief... On the other hand, this calculation raises an interesting point for meteoritics. The impact of a really big object (100's of meters) would involve the atmospheric impact (first) of billions of kilos in a few thousand square meter area. Obviously, one could have an air-burst impact that could produce a flash many, many times the strength of sunlight, 10 to 100 times greater, as great as any nuclear weapon would produce. This makes the reports of a flash at Tunguska 40 kilometers away that was strong enough to char clothing more likely to be true (not that I doubted them). It just explains them quantitatively. No, the iron particles don't get through the atmosphere and ding up mammoth tusks with little pits! The atoms of iron DO float down and get deposited in sediments world-wide, though, where they can be detected. From such a recent event, the number of 60-Fe atoms should be much higher than the numbers found in Knie's 2.8 million year old sediments. The failure to find them would not invalidate the rest of Firestone's isotopic anomalies, just invalidate a supernova as the source. There are other nasty energetic events to which the Earth could have been exposed: a nearby short-duration Gamma Ray Burst, a concentrated flux stream of cosmic rays magnetically confined by the magnetic field of our galaxy, a Type I supernova of a fast passing star, or something we have never observed yet. Isotopic anomalies such as he has discovered require an energetic event in the neighborhood in recent times.
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Crackpot Theory Redux
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:49:16 -0600, Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting (to me, anyway) is the fact that the heavy high speed nuclei have experienced so much relativistic increase in mass that a nuclei whose weight is a laughable concept will bulk up until it weighs as much a good sized bacterium! The most energetic ones recorded to date have the energy of a baseball thrown and 100 miles per hour. http://www.srl.caltech.edu/personnel/dick/cos_encyc.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Stones from 63g to 2.3kg
It's Sunday again, eBay's meteorite day http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnakhladog Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Dutchies in Munich
Dear Listiods Just got home from a 8 hour drive (a few stops for having a pee included!!)from the Munich show. It was just fantastic (for us collectors that is) and returned home with a big smile, a large Seymchan slice and a small Tucson Ring fragment from Moritz Karl. We'dd like to thank all our old but especially new friends for inviting us over and gave us a great time!! We'll be back for sure, Thanks, Jan Yvonne Heavenly Bodies Meteorites. Holland www.heavenlybodies.nl __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] How laws are changing in North Africa (Egypt)
Here's a story about antiquities laws in Egypt http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/766/he1.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad - Ten Day Auctions and a Run-in W/Captain Chondrite!
Dear List Members, An early Happy Halloween as I will be out of the country until the 9th of November and will not be able to post. Although I am bringing a notebook computer, I will have very limited communications ability so hopefully no one will have any questions in regards to auctions I have ending on November 8th. You may want to check these auctions out as I have well over $10,000.00 worth of items running, a great many started at just 99 cents and others very low priced. Here is the link: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites I ran into an interesting character at the Asteroid Cafe last night calling himself Captain Chondrite, the real deal. He claims to be a world renowned Meteorographer. You have got to check this guy out. He had a pretty rough entry as can be seen in the image links below. Check out the fusion crust, flaming hair, black lipover, edible necklace, space goggles and the flaming S logo embroidered space suit. Captain Chondrite was doing his best to impress a very limited audience with all his Bling-Bling. One might even say he is somewhat oriented : http://themeteoritesite.com/CaptainChondrite.jpg After throwing back a couple of Lunar Lagers he managed to find a good looking date as can be seen in this image: http://themeteoritesite.com/CaptainChondrite-2.jpg On another note, it would not be a good thing to run into this TSA agent on tomorrow's flights. By the copious amounts of alcohol he consumed, I estimate he will be nursing a category five hangover for some time. Since no bartender was readily available to pour him a Lunar Lager he exercised his authority and helped himself, talk about abuse of authority! http://themeteoritesite.com/TSABeer.jpg In all seriousness, for those who celebrate Halloween, have a safe and fun time. Kind Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] More Work on the Crackpot Theory
Hi, List, Enjoying chewing on the problem of how to explain the isotopic anomalies discovered by Firestone. You will find a complete technical exposition of his earlier findings at this website: http://www.centerfirstamericans.com/mt.html?a=36 This gives the full data on the isotopic anomalies. They ARE hard to explain. You will notice in his initial press release the mention of an additional layer of anomalous isotopes at 34,000 years ago (besides the more recent layer at 13,000 years ago). Now, note in the second paragraph of the large quotation below, the fact that gas and dust from the Local Fluff seems to have entered the Solar System, suppressing the Solar Wind, and poured down on the surface of the planets, including of course our Earth, at several times in the past. Since the interstellar dust is material ejected into space by supernovae, it is an obvious source for the anomalous isotopes. The evidence for those dates is Be-10 enrichment in Antarctic ice cores. Each enrichment lasts for about 2500 years. The Local Fluff is called fluff because the density is only one atom per 10 cc's. That is 50 times more dense than the Local Bubble the Sun enjoys. But the Local Fluff is not even and smooth and does not exist everywhere at this average density. Averages can be very misleading. The dense cloud of interstellar gas and dust known as the Local Fluff is not homogeneous and will contain dense knots of material. The supernovae which created this material are recent (few million years) ones in the Scorpius Centaurus OB Association. Observations by Dr. Jeffrey Linsky at the University of Colorado of 18 nearby stars indicated that the Local Fluff cloud surrounding the solar system is not a uniform cloud, but contains cloudlets of very different internal density with one of these located between the Sun and the nearby star Alpha Centauri. If the Solar System were swallowed up in a really dense cloud for a few thousand years (that is a characteristic transit time at the ~20 km/sec speed of an individual cloudlet), the effects could be profound. Here's the big quote from: http://www.solstation.com/x-objects/chimney.htm Over the last five to 10 million years, the Solar System has been moving through the lower density region of interstellar gas of the Local Bubble. As a result, Earth and its lifeforms have avoided dangerous flows of cosmic radiation and gas. Astronomers, however, have discovered a denser cloud of interstellar gas about 25 ly (7.7 pc) in diameter called the Local Fluff (or Local Interstellar Cloud) that is moving towards the Solar System. Stretched out towards Constellation Cygnus, the stellar winds of young stars in a star-forming region of the Scorpius-Centaurus Association near the Aquila Rift (a high-density molecular cloud) have been blowing the Local Fluff so that its denser parts may reach Sol's heliosphere in around 50,000 years (Straizys et al, 2003). Some wisps of the Local Fluff's denser gas may already have blown into the Solar System earlier (possibly 33,000 and 60,000 years ago) (Priscilla Chapman Frisch, 1997). Astronomers hypothesize that such gas clouds can suppress the Solar Wind so that interstellar gas and dust enters the Solar System in quantities great enough to affect the Sun and life on Earth. At the moment, a powerful stellar wind from the young OB stellar associations of the Local Bubble's expanding neighbor, the Loop I Bubble, is pushing the Local Fluff aside (at the rate of 12 miles, or 20 km, per second). That expanding bubble, however, is also pushing other clouds of gas towards the Solar System... [end of quote] An abstract of the Frisch study cited in the above quote can be found at: http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/9705231 The complete paper in PDF format can be found at: http://xxx.lanl.gov/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/9705/9705231.pdf If the cloudlet were denser than these authors suppose, it may well have been a more significant event than has been realized heretofore. Thus, I do not regard this as merely a confirmation of an existing hypothesis but a suggestion that it was a major environmental event (or series of events) for the planet. We do not know what the impact of being swallowed up in an immense interstellar dust cloud would be. It could be a lot more serious that we tend to think it would be. In fact, various individuals have tried to point out how devastating it could be. Fred Hoyle, for one. In fact, Hoyle's very first paper (with R. A. Lyttleton) was on the mechanism of dust accretion from interstellar clouds. Ignored at the time, it is now his 10th most cited work, and considered fundamental in the field, even though published in the 1930's. It describes how passage through a dust cloud produces a concentrated in-fall on the large body, an effect that would greatly increase the intake and impact of the cloud. It all depends on your taste in catastrophes. Many
[meteorite-list] Re: Fukang
Mike Farmer Wrote: Also there was a lot of the ´Fuking` Pallasite from China. It was being offered at less than 10Euros a gram in large chunks, I saw pieces from 100 grams to 2 kilos. Apparently the buyers have divided the massive pallasite up and are now going to flood the market. Looks like a good buying opportunity when the price collapses. It is beautiful stuff, but with over 900 kilos, coming on the market, we know where this goes. Actually, there was probably at most 7.7 kilos of Fukang end-pieces at the Munich show. There is another ~480 kilos at the University of Arizona which is, as far as we know, not ever going to reach the market, and there is another ~480 kg which is destined to be sold as full slices to very wealthy members of the art community at somewhere around $250,000.00 per slice. If anyone thinks there is going to be a flood of Fukang hitting the market, I wouldn't hold my breath. Cheers -John Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Fukang
hello everyone, we do have a piece of fukang here at the university. we are making it part of our meteorite collection but half of the specimen we have will be available for research. we will not be selling the fukang but will offer pieces of it for donations to our cause. for more info or any questions please feel free to email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alyssa La Blue -- Alyssa R. La Blue Research Laboratory Assistant Lunar and Planetary Laboratory University of Arizona Tucson, Arizona 85721 Quoting John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mike Farmer Wrote: Also there was a lot of the ´Fuking` Pallasite from China. It was being offered at less than 10Euros a gram in large chunks, I saw pieces from 100 grams to 2 kilos. Apparently the buyers have divided the massive pallasite up and are now going to flood the market. Looks like a good buying opportunity when the price collapses. It is beautiful stuff, but with over 900 kilos, coming on the market, we know where this goes. Actually, there was probably at most 7.7 kilos of Fukang end-pieces at the Munich show. There is another ~480 kilos at the University of Arizona which is, as far as we know, not ever going to reach the market, and there is another ~480 kg which is destined to be sold as full slices to very wealthy members of the art community at somewhere around $250,000.00 per slice. If anyone thinks there is going to be a flood of Fukang hitting the market, I wouldn't hold my breath. Cheers -John Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Fukang
So, to sum up: There isn't a whole lot of fukang meteorite to go round so don't expect the fukang price to go down. If you're looking for a fukang deal you may not a get a fukang specimen. But then Mike saw a whole bunch of fukang meteorites in Munich so the whole fukang market is in question. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Fukang
Another fukang question: When can we see some serious fukang in the emarket place? Dave - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Fukang So, to sum up: There isn't a whole lot of fukang meteorite to go round so don't expect the fukang price to go down. If you're looking for a fukang deal you may not a get a fukang specimen. But then Mike saw a whole bunch of fukang meteorites in Munich so the whole fukang market is in question. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/151 - Release Date: 10/28/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Fukang
Man-O-Man... this is got to be the funniest fukang thing I have seen on the list in a looong time. LOL (literally). Ryan -Original Message- From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 30, 2005 10:51 PM To: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Fukang So, to sum up: There isn't a whole lot of fukang meteorite to go round so don't expect the fukang price to go down. If you're looking for a fukang deal you may not a get a fukang specimen. But then Mike saw a whole bunch of fukang meteorites in Munich so the whole fukang market is in question. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Fukang
Hi Rob...My personal opinion is that Fukang will not be selling for any less that it has been selling for, and my bet is that, if anything it will be selling for more. When you say Mike saw a whole bunch in Munich, I'm assuming it was less than or equal to 7.7 kilos of mostly end-pieces. In any case, it is pretty clear to me that the majority of the Fukang pallasite will not be hitting the market, and considering that it is the only best looking pallasite out there, I don't think that any of the very few people that have any will be in any big hurry to sell it for less than say...Esquel. If anything my prediction would be that it will be priced well above Esquel. Cheers -John --- Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, to sum up: There isn't a whole lot of fukang meteorite to go round so don't expect the fukang price to go down. If you're looking for a fukang deal you may not a get a fukang specimen. But then Mike saw a whole bunch of fukang meteorites in Munich so the whole fukang market is in question. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Fukang
Yes, that about sums it up. You know, we heard the same thing about how many meteorites now, Agoult, D'Orbigny, Ben Guerir, etc etc etc, always the same story, large meteorites, only a tiny bit to be sold and this one is near 900 kilos. You tell me, all these investors and you think they arent going to all be trying to cash in before each other? I am sure there is a long line of people waiting to dole out $250,000 each for slices, I have those kind of sales almost daily:). The writing is on the wall, when no large slices sell,they will begin flooding the market with small pieces, then when the price drops, I will buy. Mike Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, to sum up: There isn't a whole lot of fukang meteorite to go round so don't expect the fukang price to go down. If you're looking for a fukang deal you may not a get a fukang specimen. But then Mike saw a whole bunch of fukang meteorites in Munich so the whole fukang market is in question. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Fukang
I thought I made it clear that it was being offered here at less than 10 euros per gram, if you have some esquel for that price, chunks, slices, or endcuts, you let me know, I will buy, but thus Fukang pallasite, while gorgeous, if fukang huge, and with 900 kilos, or 300 kilos, the market cant hold up a high fukang price. Bob Haag and I were discussing it over many beers at the Hofbrauhaus saturday night, and we both know what is going to happen. High price on market, low sales, then panic and offers very cheap. It has happened to many times before. Mike Farmer -- John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rob...My personal opinion is that Fukang will not be selling for any less that it has been selling for, and my bet is that, if anything it will be selling for more. When you say Mike saw a whole bunch in Munich, I'm assuming it was less than or equal to 7.7 kilos of mostly end-pieces. In any case, it is pretty clear to me that the majority of the Fukang pallasite will not be hitting the market, and considering that it is the only best looking pallasite out there, I don't think that any of the very few people that have any will be in any big hurry to sell it for less than say...Esquel. If anything my prediction would be that it will be priced well above Esquel. Cheers -John --- Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, to sum up: There isn't a whole lot of fukang meteorite to go round so don't expect the fukang price to go down. If you're looking for a fukang deal you may not a get a fukang specimen. But then Mike saw a whole bunch of fukang meteorites in Munich so the whole fukang market is in question. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Fukang
thanks to ebay Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: I thought I made it clear that it was being offered here at less than 10 euros per gram, if you have some esquel for that price, chunks, slices, or endcuts, you let me know, I will buy, but thus Fukang pallasite, while gorgeous, if fukang huge, and with 900 kilos, or 300 kilos, the market cant hold up a high fukang price. Bob Haag and I were discussing it over many beers at the Hofbrauhaus saturday night, and we both know what is going to happen. High price on market, low sales, then panic and offers very cheap. It has happened to many times before. Mike Farmer -- John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rob...My personal opinion is that Fukang will not be selling for any less that it has been selling for, and my bet is that, if anything it will be selling for more. When you say Mike saw a whole bunch in Munich, I'm assuming it was less than or equal to 7.7 kilos of mostly end-pieces. In any case, it is pretty clear to me that the majority of the Fukang pallasite will not be hitting the market, and considering that it is the only best looking pallasite out there, I don't think that any of the very few people that have any will be in any big hurry to sell it for less than say...Esquel. If anything my prediction would be that it will be priced well above Esquel. Cheers -John --- Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, to sum up: There isn't a whole lot of fukang meteorite to go round so don't expect the fukang price to go down. If you're looking for a fukang deal you may not a get a fukang specimen. But then Mike saw a whole bunch of fukang meteorites in Munich so the whole fukang market is in question. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
