[meteorite-list] OT, slighlty, AMSAT stamps

2005-11-14 Thread Kevin Forbes
The following message just appeared on the AMSAT BB. It may give a few of 
you ideas.


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AMSAT is offering a limited edition sheet of 20 U.S. Postage 37 cent
stamps in its auction on Ebay. This is one of 4 sheets made for the 2004
AMSAT Symposium.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=5633996303

This item will be shipped anywhere in the world the Federal Express
delivers.

73...bruce
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Cheers all, Kevin. VK3UKF.


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RE: [meteorite-list] dhofar 025

2005-11-14 Thread Treiman, Allan
Who has real Dho 025 for sale?

aht

Allan H. Treiman
Senior Staff Scientist
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3600 Bay Area Boulevard
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RE: [meteorite-list] dhofar 025

2005-11-14 Thread M come Meteorite Meteorites
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Matteo

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[meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom

2005-11-14 Thread Jeff Grossman
It's finally happened: NWA 869 has been recognized as an official 
meteorite name by the Nomenclature Committee. Thanks again to all of 
you who wrote to me last summer with info on this.


jeff

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=31890


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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom

2005-11-14 Thread M come Meteorite Meteorites
Its all classificated from 2004 and this is not appear
in the last bulletin, when other meteorites, found 4-5
months ago is immediatly appear in the last
bulletin...many strange this. My laboratory have sent
several emails with all analysis ready, but not have
received any answer! The meteorites its classificated
from Museo di Scienze Planetarie of Prato, well know
from the Met.Society and for every piece I have give
20 grams or the 20% of the mass.

happy Farmer?



--- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha
scritto: 

 Matteo, cant you just be happy?
 One of the worlds top meteorite scientists gives us
 good news and again, you 
 come back with a smart remark whining about
 something.
 Here are some questions for you.
 Who classified your meteorites?
 Who submitted them?
 Were the proper type specimens donated?
 I know a lot of people refuse to submit the type
 specimen and still expect 
 their meteorites to be accepted.
 
 I bet there is a reason yours did not show up.
 Mike Farmer
 
 
 Thanks Jeff, that will greatly assist all of us who
 have NWA 869.
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: M come Meteorite Meteorites
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by
 NomCom
 
 
  well, now I hope to see listed my other 80 NWA's I
 am
  under waith to see in the met.bulletinand the
  others
 
  Matteo
 
  --- Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:
 
  It's finally happened: NWA 869 has been
 recognized
  as an official
  meteorite name by the Nomenclature Committee.
 Thanks
  again to all of
  you who wrote to me last summer with info on
 this.
 
  jeff
 
 
 http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=31890
 
 
  Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman   phone: (703)
 648-6184
  US Geological Survey  fax:   (703)
 648-6383
  954 National Center
  Reston, VA 20192, USA
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom

2005-11-14 Thread Mark Rexburg

Matteo, lei è idiota.

Welcome back Steve Arnold.

Mark



From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:34:58 +0100 (CET)

Its all classificated from 2004 and this is not appear
in the last bulletin, when other meteorites, found 4-5
months ago is immediatly appear in the last
bulletin...many strange this. My laboratory have sent
several emails with all analysis ready, but not have
received any answer! The meteorites its classificated
from Museo di Scienze Planetarie of Prato, well know
from the Met.Society and for every piece I have give
20 grams or the 20% of the mass.

happy Farmer?



--- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha
scritto:

 Matteo, cant you just be happy?
 One of the worlds top meteorite scientists gives us
 good news and again, you
 come back with a smart remark whining about
 something.
 Here are some questions for you.
 Who classified your meteorites?
 Who submitted them?
 Were the proper type specimens donated?
 I know a lot of people refuse to submit the type
 specimen and still expect
 their meteorites to be accepted.

 I bet there is a reason yours did not show up.
 Mike Farmer


 Thanks Jeff, that will greatly assist all of us who
 have NWA 869.



 - Original Message -
 From: M come Meteorite Meteorites
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by
 NomCom


  well, now I hope to see listed my other 80 NWA's I
 am
  under waith to see in the met.bulletinand the
  others
 
  Matteo
 
  --- Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:
 
  It's finally happened: NWA 869 has been
 recognized
  as an official
  meteorite name by the Nomenclature Committee.
 Thanks
  again to all of
  you who wrote to me last summer with info on
 this.
 
  jeff
 
 
 http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=31890
 
 
  Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman   phone: (703)
 648-6184
  US Geological Survey  fax:   (703)
 648-6383
  954 National Center
  Reston, VA 20192, USA
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom

2005-11-14 Thread moni Waiblinger-Seabridge

Come on guys!

Let's stop it.
The list has been great, good info, interesting subjects.
No more of this crap!

Happy meteorite thoughts!

With best regards,
Moni


From: Mark Rexburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:48:53 -0800

Matteo, lei è idiota.

Welcome back Steve Arnold.

Mark



From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:34:58 +0100 (CET)

Its all classificated from 2004 and this is not appear
in the last bulletin, when other meteorites, found 4-5
months ago is immediatly appear in the last
bulletin...many strange this. My laboratory have sent
several emails with all analysis ready, but not have
received any answer! The meteorites its classificated
from Museo di Scienze Planetarie of Prato, well know
from the Met.Society and for every piece I have give
20 grams or the 20% of the mass.

happy Farmer?



--- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha
scritto:

 Matteo, cant you just be happy?
 One of the worlds top meteorite scientists gives us
 good news and again, you
 come back with a smart remark whining about
 something.
 Here are some questions for you.
 Who classified your meteorites?
 Who submitted them?
 Were the proper type specimens donated?
 I know a lot of people refuse to submit the type
 specimen and still expect
 their meteorites to be accepted.

 I bet there is a reason yours did not show up.
 Mike Farmer


 Thanks Jeff, that will greatly assist all of us who
 have NWA 869.



 - Original Message -
 From: M come Meteorite Meteorites
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by
 NomCom


  well, now I hope to see listed my other 80 NWA's I
 am
  under waith to see in the met.bulletinand the
  others
 
  Matteo
 
  --- Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:
 
  It's finally happened: NWA 869 has been
 recognized
  as an official
  meteorite name by the Nomenclature Committee.
 Thanks
  again to all of
  you who wrote to me last summer with info on
 this.
 
  jeff
 
 
 http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=31890
 
 
  Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman   phone: (703)
 648-6184
  US Geological Survey  fax:   (703)
 648-6383
  954 National Center
  Reston, VA 20192, USA
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom

2005-11-14 Thread M come Meteorite Meteorites
Ohhh what nice persons whe have here

Matteo

--- Mark Rexburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: 

 Matteo, lei è idiota.
 
 Welcome back Steve Arnold.
 
 Mark
 
 
 From: M come Meteorite Meteorites
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by
 NomCom
 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:34:58 +0100 (CET)
 
 Its all classificated from 2004 and this is not
 appear
 in the last bulletin, when other meteorites, found
 4-5
 months ago is immediatly appear in the last
 bulletin...many strange this. My laboratory have
 sent
 several emails with all analysis ready, but not
 have
 received any answer! The meteorites its
 classificated
 from Museo di Scienze Planetarie of Prato, well
 know
 from the Met.Society and for every piece I have
 give
 20 grams or the 20% of the mass.
 
 happy Farmer?
 
 
 
 --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha
 scritto:
 
   Matteo, cant you just be happy?
   One of the worlds top meteorite scientists gives
 us
   good news and again, you
   come back with a smart remark whining about
   something.
   Here are some questions for you.
   Who classified your meteorites?
   Who submitted them?
   Were the proper type specimens donated?
   I know a lot of people refuse to submit the type
   specimen and still expect
   their meteorites to be accepted.
  
   I bet there is a reason yours did not show up.
   Mike Farmer
  
  
   Thanks Jeff, that will greatly assist all of us
 who
   have NWA 869.
  
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: M come Meteorite Meteorites
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:11 AM
   Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved
 by
   NomCom
  
  
well, now I hope to see listed my other 80
 NWA's I
   am
under waith to see in the met.bulletinand
 the
others
   
Matteo
   
--- Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha
 scritto:
   
It's finally happened: NWA 869 has been
   recognized
as an official
meteorite name by the Nomenclature Committee.
   Thanks
again to all of
you who wrote to me last summer with info on
   this.
   
jeff
   
   
  
 http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=31890
   
   
Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman   phone: (703)
   648-6184
US Geological Survey  fax:   (703)
   648-6383
954 National Center
Reston, VA 20192, USA
   
   
   
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RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Minimum crater size for central uplift ?

2005-11-14 Thread Kevin Forbes
I remember reading an article not too long ago that provided much info on 
this, as well as a formula that might predict various outcomes, depending on 
which body in our solar system you were interested. I could not find it on 
my HDD, so I did a search on google for 'impact central uplift formula'


http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=enq=impact+central+uplift+formulameta=

and found this, it provides the formula.

http://www.bookrags.com/sciences/earthscience/impact-crater-woes-01.html

There is a fair amout of other good reading provided by the search.
All the best, Kevin.



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Michel:

IMHO, it all depends. From my research, the best I could come up with:

quoted from my web-site: 
http://www.ottawa.rasc.ca/astronomy/earth_craters/intro.html


In this article, I will present the craters that I have explored in the 
order of their size, starting with simple craters, moving to complex 
craters and finishing with multiring basins. The transition size between 
simple to complex craters is 2km in sediments and 4km in crystalline rocks. 
The transition size between complex to ringed basin craters is 10 to 50 
km.


I would love more input on this.

Thanks
Charles O'Dale
Meeting Chair
Ottawa RASC
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Dear list

I was wandering what is the minimum size of terrestrial impact crater
that show a central uplift.
Best regards

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[meteorite-list] Asteroid Hopper is Lost in Space

2005-11-14 Thread Ron Baalke

http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn8311-robot-asteroidexplorer-is-lost-in-space.html

Robot asteroid-explorer is lost in space
Maggie McKee
New Scientist
14 November 2005

A small hopping robot meant to explore the asteroid Itokawa was lost in
space after being released from Japan's Hayabusa spacecraft on Saturday.
But mission officials say the main probe will still try to land and
collect samples of the space rock at least once before beginning its
return flight to Earth in December 2005.

The 10-centimetre-tall robot, called Minerva (Micro/Nano Experimental
Robot Vehicle for Asteroid), was designed to hop around the
600-metre-long rock, snapping close-up images with three cameras and
taking temperature measurements of the surface.

It was originally to be released on 4 November while Hayabusa was
approaching the asteroid in a test of its autopilot landing system.
But this dress rehearsal was cut short because mission
controllers could not accurately guide the spacecraft using its fuel
thrusters - a contingency solution devised following the failure of two
of the craft's three stabilising reaction wheels.

Now a similar problem on a rehearsal descent on Saturday has prevented
the robot from ever reaching its target.
  
Breakdown in communication

In the early phases of the spacecraft's descent, mission officials had
used height readings from an onboard laser altimeter and the craft's
speed to estimate when Hayabusa would be at Minerva's release point, 70
metres above the asteroid.

But the slope of the asteroid's surface had apparently caused the
altimeter to misjudge those first estimates of the craft's altitude. So
mission officials were shocked when later readings revealed the
spacecraft was actually much closer to the asteroid than anticipated.

As soon as we realised we were below 100 metres, we decided Minerva
should be separated, project manager Jun'ichiro Kawaguchi told New
Scientist.

Unfortunately, that point came when the main data link with the
spacecraft was being switched from an antenna in Japan to one in
Australia. During this 40-minute antenna change, information about the
spacecraft's vertical motion was unavailable to ground controllers.

So when they sent the release command, they did not realise the
spacecraft had just fired its thrusters to maintain a minimum height
above the asteroid - an adjustment it performed every 10 minutes or so
during the descent.

The command took about 16 minutes to travel from the Earth to the
spacecraft, and when it arrived, the thruster firing had raised
Hayabusa's altitude to about 200 metres. So Minerva was released while
its mother ship was moving away from the asteroid at about 15
centimetres per second - faster than the space rock's 13 cm per second
escape velocity - and the robot simply drifted into space.
  
More rehearsals

This is [our] responsibility, says Kawaguchi, who says officials
simply did not account for all possible mission scenarios during the
antenna changeover. Our readiness was not so complete.

Nonetheless, he says the mother ship's practice descent was a success.
It approached the asteroid to within 55 m and its laser range-finder -
which had never before been tested - successfully helped the craft
maintain its orientation with respect to the asteroid's surface.

Still, he admits that mission controllers do not fully understand how to
deal with the spacecraft's motion after the periodic thruster firings.
So rather than attempt two sample collection landings as planned on 19
and 25 November, officials may decide to do another rehearsal descent on
19 November.

We may end up cancelling the second sampling, says Kawaguchi. During
the sample-collecting rendezvous, the spacecraft will attempt to briefly
touch down on an expanse of fine dust in the middle of the asteroid
called MUSES-Sea, fire a pellet into the surface and scoop up the
resulting debris.

After gathering its sample, it will leave Itokawa in December and then
drop the first-ever asteroid samples back to Earth, over Australia, in
July 2007.

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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom

2005-11-14 Thread Darren Garrison
Has anyone made any guesses as to the terrestrial age of 869?  I ask because a 
rock that big must
have produced a HUGE fireball and smoke trail.  Even with sparse populations in 
that area, surely
people saw it fall.  Are there any folk tales or legends (or memories of old 
people, if the fall was
recent enough) that seem to represent a massive meteor?
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[meteorite-list] METEORIRTE DECOUVERT JE JOINS PHOTO

2005-11-14 Thread HOUSSINE HOUSSINE
MERCI JE VIENS DE DECOUVRIR METORE ET JE VOUS  ENVOIES PHOT MEME SI CA NE 
FAIT PAS PARDON MAIS  CA VAUT LA PEINE


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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom

2005-11-14 Thread Michael Farmer
It would be thousands of years old in my opinion, many stones are half eaten 
away by sandblasting, some are perfect that were buried.
It would have been a sight one would never forget though, likely brighter 
than the sun, thousands of kilos and tens of thousands of pieces when it 
exploded!

Mike
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Has anyone made any guesses as to the terrestrial age of 869?  I ask because 
a rock that big must
have produced a HUGE fireball and smoke trail.  Even with sparse populations 
in that area, surely
people saw it fall.  Are there any folk tales or legends (or memories of old 
people, if the fall was

recent enough) that seem to represent a massive meteor?
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[meteorite-list] NWA 869 - terrestrial age

2005-11-14 Thread bernd . pauli
Darren wondered:

Has anyone made any guesses as to the terrestrial age of 869? I ask 
because a rock that big must have produced a HUGE fireball and smoke
trail. Even with sparse populations in that area, surely people saw
it fall. Are there any folk tales or legends (or memories of old people,
if the fall was recent enough) that seem to represent a massive meteor?

Good question! With a weathering degree of only 1 (W1), it should be
a fairly recent fall. Some of Christian Anger's spectacular specimens
have fusion crusts as fresh as can be!

Cheers,

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] cosmic marble

2005-11-14 Thread Steve Arnold, Chicago!!
Good morning list.And thanks to those who have welcomed me back to the
list.I just want to add to stefan what a beauty of a meteorite you have
there.That swirling motion next to the large chondrule is just such a
thing of beauty.That is what is so nice about collecting these mysterys
from space.You never know what you'll find.A few years ago I bought a
piece from a noted professor up here,I forgot what it was,but it had a
chondrule that was 1 and 3/4 cm in size.The largest I had ever seen.Again
what a real nice piece stefan.


steve arnold, chicago 

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[meteorite-list] fake ebay e-mails

2005-11-14 Thread Meteoriteshow
Hi All,

Just a short message regarding ebay, in order to inform you that I have just 
received a new kind of fraudulous e-mail supposed to
come from ebay.
This time, it was supposed to be an e-mail from someone who was supposed to 
have won one of my auctions, sending me a message
through ebay website and writing: I'm still waiting the package to arrive 
What happened? Please mail me ASAP or I will report you
to ebay.
As I did not know this supposed to be customer, I decided to check with ebay 
the origin of this message.

Be careful because after asking ebay if it was a real ebay message, I was 
informed that it is not. And when clicking on Answer, it
leads you to a faulse ebay website where you are supposed to enter your pseudo 
and password of course...

As I had never received fake ebay e-mails of that kind before, I have decided 
to let you all know about it.

Kind regards,

Frederic Beroud
http://www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/)

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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Vugs in Chondrite meteorites

2005-11-14 Thread Kevin Forbes
Hmm, the reasons could be, anything you or I or another learned person might 
care to suggest. It may even be a combination of causes, ranging from, 
another secondary basaltic flow of material, heating underlying layers, a 
whopping huge impact on the material from an impacting meteoroid, a series 
of rather close calls to our Sun, during its travels in space. If it's from 
Venus, perhaps just sitting on the surface would leech out any low temp 
minerals, after reading about the sulphide snows on the mountain tops there. 
The alterations may also be due to a sustained period of time on Earth, with 
water leeching out soluble minerals, after being rained on many times.


Anyone else care to add to the reasons for alteration and metamorphism in 
meteorites, folks?


Kevin.


Hi Kevin,

Thank you for the reply. What would cause the low level metamorphism? I 
only have the 3 inch core to look at but I can see several vugs in an area 
of darker magnetic material that looks like magnetite. The surrounding area 
is the color you would see in a Fracnonia cross section.

thanks again.
Jerry
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Hi Jerry, may I take a stab in the dark and suggest that this sample has 
undergone some form of low level metamorphism which has caused an amount 
of low temperature minerals to become liquified or gaseous in nature, 
redistributing them throughout the sample, then cooling and 
recrystallizing.

Just a thought after looking at it.

Kevin.


Hi List

I am seeking information on why one would discovered very small crystals 
in a chondrite vug. I have photos posted at the below web site of the two 
different crystals discovered in a core sample taken from the 75  pound 
meteorite discovered recently near Lake Havasu City, Arizona. The vugs 
were discovered in the broken end of the core sample -3 inch core 1 and 
3/8 inched wide. The meteorite is a chondrite and most likely a H-5 or 
L-6. There is a photo posted of a section of polished core about 1½ 
inches into the meteorite. In this photo you can see chondrules and iron 
and nickel pieces.

Thank for your input.
Jerry


http://www.ctaz.com/~jsbaird/Orange%20Nikon1.jpg
http://www.ctaz.com/~jsbaird/ClearCrystalNikon1.jpg
http://www.ctaz.com/~jsbaird/Polished%20Section.jpg

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[meteorite-list] Apology

2005-11-14 Thread bernd . pauli
Hello All,

I would like to publicly apologize to one of our list members for mentioning
his name without his prior consent and/or permission to do so. I mentioned
his name in the context of a rather unpleasant experience another list member
was writing about. The case I was referring to, unfortunately without checking
the details in my files, had nothing to do with the above-mentioned affair.
So, please, accept my sincere apologies!

Best wishes,

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] Frass Meteorite Dr.Treiman of the L.P.I. etc

2005-11-14 Thread Pat Brown
Hi All, 

Came across reports about the Frass Rock or Frass
Meteorite and a report from Dr. Treiman of the Lunar
Planetary Institute stating that it is earthly basalt.


Is there any real science that shows that the Frass
Rock really is a Martian Meteorite as the owner
claims??

Not trying to start a flame war, just an interesting
article by Dr. Treiman about steps to identify a SNC
at:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/treiman/frass_rock.pdf

Best Regards, 
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[meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom

2005-11-14 Thread Metorman46
Dr. Grossman;

Thank you for your great  announcement.I know everyone has been looking for 
this naming for a long time.I  really appreciate the posts you make to this 
list,it brings an air of science to  the collecting community.

Thank you very much.Herman Archer.  

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[meteorite-list] a cosmic marble

2005-11-14 Thread Metorman46
ONIONITE! There could be a new classification  here Jan .Just a thought.You 
cracked me up on that one.
The more i look at  the picture.the more awesome it looks.The rind is  
extraordinary.Beautiful!!


Best regards;Herman.  

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Re: [meteorite-list] a cosmic marble

2005-11-14 Thread Jan Bartels
Yeah well Heman..

I hardly ever post any messages but IF i dowell maybe i should post
something when there's some clear braincells up there instead of something
like this hehehehe.

Oh wellmay the you all forgive me!!

Best,
Jan
Holland.


ONIONITE! There could be a new classification  here Jan .Just a thought.You
cracked me up on that one.
The more i look at  the picture.the more awesome it looks.The rind is
extraordinary.Beautiful!!


Best regards;Herman.

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[meteorite-list] Oh boy!!

2005-11-14 Thread Jan Bartels
And even my English spelling is as bad as the braincells up here right now

Gotta go to bed.

Cheers,
Jan


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[meteorite-list] Onionite

2005-11-14 Thread bernd . pauli
Hey, Jan before you go to bed:

maybe i should post something when there's some clear
braincells up there instead of something like this ...

Herman wrote:

 ONIONITE! ...You cracked me up on that one.

Well, while we are at it, especially those list members who speak German
or understand some German, here is something that might crack you up:

There is a meteoritic sulfate called blödite the chemical formula of which is

= Na2Mg(SO4)2x4H2O =

So far, so good, but blöd is the German word for stupid, dumb, silly, 
idiotic :-))

Cheers and
Good night,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Onionite

2005-11-14 Thread Jan Bartels
Well thank you so much for sharing this with me Bernd.
This sure make..s...me...feel..a..lot..bett...

G'dnight all !!



 Hey, Jan before you go to bed:

 maybe i should post something when there's some clear
 braincells up there instead of something like this ...

 Herman wrote:

 ONIONITE! ...You cracked me up on that one.

 Well, while we are at it, especially those list members who speak German
 or understand some German, here is something that might crack you up:

 There is a meteoritic sulfate called blödite the chemical formula of
 which is

 = Na2Mg(SO4)2x4H2O =

 So far, so good, but blöd is the German word for stupid, dumb, silly,
 idiotic :-))

 Cheers and
 Good night,

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[meteorite-list] Blödite

2005-11-14 Thread bernd . pauli
Of course, this sulfate's name does not really stem from the German word
blöd, but from a German chemist whose unfortunate name happened to
be Carl August Blöde (*1773 / + 1820).

Best wishes,

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] dr.grossman

2005-11-14 Thread Steve Arnold, Chicago!!
I also want to personally thank Dr. Grossman for all the things he does
for the list.It is great to see that NWA 869 has finally been  approved as
the official name.The insight that dr.grossman brings to the list is just
a wealth of knowledge concerning meteorites.I hope he continues to bring
us up to date on all we need to know about our great hobby.


 steve arnold, chicago

Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 
 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Frass Meteorite Dr.Treiman of the L.P.I. etc

2005-11-14 Thread ken newton

Pat Brown wrote:

Hi All, 


Came across reports about the Frass Rock or Frass
Meteorite and a report from Dr. Treiman of the Lunar
Planetary Institute stating that it is earthly basalt.


Is there any real science that shows that the Frass
Rock really is a Martian Meteorite as the owner
claims??
 


Hi Pat,
No. Here is more on Mr. Moore and his 'science':
http://www.lamonitor.com/articles/2004/10/29/headline_news/news03.txt
best,
Ken Newton
IMCA #9632
http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/mepage.html


Not trying to start a flame war, just an interesting
article by Dr. Treiman about steps to identify a SNC
at:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/treiman/frass_rock.pdf

Best Regards, 
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[meteorite-list] Re: Brenham Follow-on Effect

2005-11-14 Thread Notkin

Jeff K. posted:

I have also found it quite amazing that this find seems to have 
generated

such a vast interest across the US. Maybe even more than Park Forest.



Dear Jeff and List:

You've made a very interesting observation Jeff. I also believe the 
press coverage on this is much greater than Park Forest. We know of 
print/TV stories in Canada, England, Germany, and in your home country 
of Australia too (Melbourne Times) in addition to close to 100 news 
stories here in the U.S.


I think the reasons for this are two-fold:

1) Park Forest was a random Act of God-type event. Once the story has 
been written, there isn't a lot that can be done in terms of a 
follow-up, except for those of us with specialized interest (i.e. How 
can I get a piece?). The Brenham story has human interest:  here is a 
professional meteorite hunter and his partner who came up with a good 
strategy -- after ten years of thinking about Brenham -- and were then 
tremendously successful. Newspapers love big success stories, *and* 
treasure hunts, *and* local interest -- Steve was born in Kansas, so we 
have all three.


2) There was no sustained effort to promote the Park Forest story as 
far as I know, and why should there be? Phil and I have written press 
releases, sent emails, faxes, and photos all over the country. I hired 
a P.R. expert as my media advisor; we also have a new website under 
construction. Steve has done multiple interviews (even I did two 
interviews) and has staged public events: the big pallasite was on 
display at the Afton Observatory near Wichita on Saturday evening, and 
local TV and papers were there to see it.


This is a great story, and a fun one, and we've worked really hard at 
promoting it. These things don't happen by themselves. Glad to see it's 
working!


What's really interesting to me is how a story like this galvanizes the 
public, and suddenly people are finding meteorites under their beds 
and scouring the internet for more information about them. I bet all 
this media attention will generate more than one new meteorite hunter. 
When people hear about a Million Dollar Rock being found in a 
farmer's field, a lot of them want to get in on the action   : )



My website has been hammered with nearly 2000 hits this weekend (about 
300%
extra) with people searching for Pallasites, Brenham, etc, etc. I've 
also

had a plethora of emails from people wanting to know how much their
meteorites (aka Normal Rocks) are worth.


Same here. I've also had several crackpot phone calls from people who 
have found meteorites. One of the was really scary. The guy said he'd 
found a 6 by 10 ft. meteorite that looked just like dolomite. D'ya 
know what dolomite lerks like? he bellowed.


He then went on to tell me he'd like me to help him with his book on 
the other side of evolution which shows that feller Darwin's ideas 
was based on a load 'o waffles. At that point I excused myself.



For our friends in Canada, Discovery Channel Canada will be airing a 
new piece on Steve and the big Brenham either tonight or tomorrow night 
on their Daily Planet segment. We believe that it will be shown in 
the U.S. next week, and will try to get exact showtimes for you.


Steve is finally on his way home, so hopefully he'll be able to post to 
the List soon. Thanks to everyone who sent emails of congratulations. I 
have been keeping him up-to-date, and we've saved copies off all of 
your posts.




Finally:

PLEASE don't forget to send your Joel Schiff gifts to our friend Maria 
at:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


We've heard from a lot of people, but hope to hear from a lot more. If 
you've enjoyed reading Meteorite magazine please send something to 
the fund so we can acquire a really nice thank you for Joel during 
his recovery. Also, write to me off-List if you'd like your remaining 
subscription for M to be put towards our fund.



Thank you, best wishes, to all,

Geoff N.

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[meteorite-list] Future of Meteorite Magazine

2005-11-14 Thread Notkin

Dear Friends and Listees:

A number of you have very kindly written to me asking if I would 
consider taking over Meteorite magazine. I am certain that I could 
not do nearly as good a job as Joel, but I thank you for your 
confidence in my abilities.


Christine Schiff and I discussed this matter at some length, and I am 
taking the liberty of making the following statement on this issue, as 
there have been so many inquiries about the future of the magazine: It 
is the Schiff family's wish that Meteorite magazine be remembered and 
enjoyed as it was, and that no other party attempt to take it over. I 
fully support this decision.


I do hope that -- at some point -- another great magazine about 
meteorites will come into being to follow in the footsteps of our 
favorite publication. I would be delighted to be involved with such a 
magazine, in some capacity, if the new publisher wishes it.


If anyone is *seriously* interested, I will be open to discussing a new 
publishing project in the future, but right now I'm more concerned 
about assisting the Schiff family with the remaining subscriptions and 
so on.



Best to all,

Geoff N.

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Re: [meteorite-list] seti

2005-11-14 Thread Neil Caliva
Thanks for all the emails and links. It seems like such a waste to be the 
only intelligent life in the universe, if thats so.



From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Neil Caliva [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
	meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, 	Darren Garrison 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], 	Jonathan Gore [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] seti
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 01:06:42 -0600

Hi,


There is a huge difference between
detecting and discriminating an INDIVIDUAL
radio signal from the Earth at interstellar
distances on the one hand and merely
detecting the totality of the Earth's
radio signals at interstellar distances,
on the other.

Surrounding the Earth is a shell of
EM transmissions out to a radius of 94
light years. At the outer edge of that
shell is Marconi's transmission of the
letter S in 1901. Faint. But at radii
of 84 light years and again at 57 light
years, quantum leaps in intensity occur.
(That's the onset of commercial radio
and commercial television respectively.)

The TOTAL radio emissions of the Earth
are TWICE AS BRIGHT AS THE SUN. Every radio
astronomer within that inner 100 light year
sphere (if there ARE any radio astronomers
out there) is confronted with the paradox
of a normal type G star which has an optically
invisible companion which has twice the
luminosity in the radio spectrum as the
visible star! Studies of the motion of the
invisible companion would show it to be
in orbit around the normal star.

There is only one possible explanation
of an optico-radio binary star. That is, that
the normal star has a planet which is SCREAMING
its head off in the radio spectrum! And it's
only getting noisier with every passing year,
louder and louder! As for directed transmissions,
we already have interplanetary radar signals
that are 10,000,000,000 times brighter than
the Sun!

As an interstellar neighbor, the Earth is
kind of like that guy on the subway toting
the 300 pound ghetto blaster! If you have any
hope that the aliens haven't noticed us yet,
you can forget all about them.

Which is why I find the beautiful dream of
SETI to be just that: a beautiful dream. A Kardashev
Level Two civilization (one which utlizes the full
energy resources of an entire solar system) should
be roughly the radio luminosity of a QUASAR! It
would be visible in the EM spectrum at 100,000
light years distant (if the civilization survived
for that long).

In 300 to 500 years, WE will (I hope) be a
fledging Kardashev Level Two civilization. There
will be millions of powerful comet-hunting radars
in the Kuiper Belt and the Inner Oort Cloud, billions
of radar beacons on every rock in the system,
trillions of TV channels (how many re-runs of the
ancient classics like The Brady Bunch?), and an
inconceivable number of interplanetary cell phones
(most of them on hold and playing space elevator
music). Our solar system will probably be the
brightest radio source in the Milky Way Galaxy.

If there are any aliens out there, you know,
great wise space-traveling advanced aliens, WHERE
are their home systems and WHY are there no bright
artificial radio sources? If there is an interstellar
civilization or many such, you shouldn't be able
to point a radio detector to the heavens without
having your ears blown off. We should be awash in
a cacophony of re-runs of the Arcturian I Love
Lucy or the Tau Ceti Milton Berle.

I say this as a person who, for many years,
DONATED more money to SETI than I spent on, say,
buying meteorites, or even books, so I was not
without hope in that dream. But I have concluded
that it was just that... a dream.


Sterling K. Webb
---
Neil Caliva wrote:

 Hi List,

 How far could our EM signals generated by humans be detected?

 Sorry if this is off topic!!!

 -NC




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RE: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom

2005-11-14 Thread Christian Anger
Dear Jeff,

at least so much thanks as there are individuals existing out there of this
stone.

all the best from Austria,

Christian



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Christian Anger
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Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom

It's finally happened: NWA 869 has been recognized as an official 
meteorite name by the Nomenclature Committee. Thanks again to all of 
you who wrote to me last summer with info on this.

jeff

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=31890


Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman   phone: (703) 648-6184
US Geological Survey  fax:   (703) 648-6383
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