AW: [meteorite-list] meteorite dealers (not removing old inventory)
Hi, and Steve many dealers have gotten to know the in's and out's (from the latter exist only 2 or 3) of the collectorship. That several dealers' or collectors' webpages are outdated is understandable. Most sellers, professionals and collectors, are a one-man-show. To maintain or to built up a homepage requires aside some technical skills a lot of time. Time which most do not have. To acquire meteorites costs time, to hunt them or to travel to purchase them costs time, the cutting and grinding (especially with the irons) is time-consuming, to exhibit on fairs too. Most sellers have an assortment of various other non-meteoritical stuff, others have some other jobs for their main income and finally they have a family and don't want to have a dog's live with 100 working hours per week. Furthermore a homepage has more the function of a shop window, it attracts rather laymen and newcomers, both groups tending to purchase only little pieces, most are content to own at all a single piece from space (in most cases a little iron), so that only a minute part of the sales volume will be generated by one's homepage. In selling meteorites the dealer has not to fish for the customers, he has to come to the collectors. As the collectors scene is so small, most offerors know their collectors in person or via email, hence they know their individual preferences and whenever they got a new locales, they know in whose collection's focus it fits and they will discuss directly with the collectors. On the other hand, especially larger or very expensive specimens, there of course a buyer want to have the piece in his very hands to decide, whether he likes it for the collection or not - there to have a professional webpage, where you click onto the piece to add it to the shopping cart is a little bit inadequate :-) Hence most of such deals - selling or swapping are done by personal communication. (Yippie, be prepared, Stefan Ralew, Andi Gren and Mr.Buckleboo will come to next year's Tucson show!). Other thing is ebay, where compared to a homepage, a seller has the warranty, that the specimen will be moved immediately (while on a homepage some stones can rest a year or more until it is sold) and as a meteorite seller can't live from love and air alone, they have to use ebay - to set up auctions takes time too. Last thing from the sewing case of a meteorite seller is the customers' service - to give them expert advice - and depending on the pedagogical impetus to assist, to help and to give guidance to the laymen or the beginners to accompany them on their first steps to our fascinating hobby. Costs a lot of time. And finally the income of meteorite sellers and the compulsion in those somewhat difficult years to offer the stones at competitive prices won't allow them in most cases to hire a professional web designer or student to build up a nice homepage and administer it at the usual rates. Uuh, my webpage is more than 4 years old and I don't find time to learn some HTML and to rebuild it. Ek! Martininho Buckleboo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Steve Arnold, Chicago!! Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Juni 2006 18:54 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] meteorite dealers (not removing old inventory) Hi mike,and list again.I have to go along with mike on this.It really is frustrating to go to a site and find that there is something you really want and then you find out it was sold a month or two ago.Having been invloved with this great hobby now for 7 years,I have really gotten to know the in's and out's of most of the dealers.But with some of the newbies,I just say be patient and maybe email some of the dealers and let them know what it is you really want and I know that they will be more than happy to get back to you.It is like anything else,PATIENCE,PATIENCE,and more PATIENCE. STEVE ARNOLD,CHICAGO __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fireball sighting over Northern Germany
Ho list, a fireball in Germany made it to the larger newspapers, which are in such respects normally rather reserved. Shortly combined: On June 11th in the evening at 10:10 pm a bright fireball with fiery tail was independently witnessed by several people in several places in Northern Germany (Kissenbrück, Peine, Gifhorn (there were the meteorite fair takes place), Braunschweig, Schöningen, Beierstedt, Salzgitter, Vienenburg). Scientists from several regional institute believe, that it was a fall of a meteorite, but are not sure, whether it was a dropper and whether material made it to the ground. The possible impact area is supposed to be in Saxony-Anhalt. Dieter, had the camera network caught the bolide? Was it a dropper? Buckleboo! Martin PS: articles http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/weltraum/0,1518,422472,00.html http://www.volksstimme.de/vsm/nachrichten/sachsen_anhalt/?sid=b6bb6277a820e0 cdcfec3f594bd529bcem_cnt=109145 http://www.welt.de/data/2006/06/21/925299.html http://www.taz.de/pt/2006/06/21/a0263.1/text __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] Fireball sighting over Northern Germany
- Original Message - From: Dieter Heinlein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball sighting over Northern Germany Hi list, just a short comment from the European Fireball Network. The fireball was seen in the evening twilight: On June 11 at 10.10 pm CEST, our cameras did not yet start to work. So the bolide came too early in order to be registered by our camera stations. I suppose that it was a pretty large chunk of cometary debris and not a meteorite dropping event. We registere several of these cometary fireballs every month. Some (especially those that occur in the evening hours) make it to the media and some dont.. If casual observers report, that the meteorite must have landed behind the next tree, it make not very much sense to start a searching campain there... :-)) Just my two cents Dieter Heinlein, Augsburg DLR Fireball Network - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball sighting over Northern Germany Ho list, a fireball in Germany made it to the larger newspapers, which are in such respects normally rather reserved. Shortly combined: On June 11th in the evening at 10:10 pm a bright fireball with fiery tail was independently witnessed by several people in several places in Northern Germany (Kissenbrück, Peine, Gifhorn (there were the meteorite fair takes place), Braunschweig, Schöningen, Beierstedt, Salzgitter, Vienenburg). Scientists from several regional institute believe, that it was a fall of a meteorite, but are not sure, whether it was a dropper and whether material made it to the ground. The possible impact area is supposed to be in Saxony-Anhalt. Dieter, had the camera network caught the bolide? Was it a dropper? Buckleboo! Martin PS: articles http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/weltraum/0,1518,422472,00.html http://www.volksstimme.de/vsm/nachrichten/sachsen_anhalt/?sid=b6bb6277a820e0 cdcfec3f594bd529bcem_cnt=109145 http://www.welt.de/data/2006/06/21/925299.html http://www.taz.de/pt/2006/06/21/a0263.1/text __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fraudulant Trade - Bob Evans
Hi McCartney, Sorry to hear about Bob stealing your meteorite. I would like to hear his reply .Lets hope he takes care of this matter. Next time you send a meteorite make sure you get full payment and if they don't like it return the money minus shipping. Sonny -Original Message- From: McCartney Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:54:39 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fraudulant Trade - Bob Evans I am saddened to announce that I've been the victim of a fruadulent trade. I view it is as my duty as an IMCA member and a proactive citizen to warn other meteorite collectors of this person to help them avoid entanglements with this person, thus I post here. I am pursuing other action, both police and court to recover my material. The person I tried to trade with was Bob Evans of Romeoville, IL. Timeline: Aug 5, 2005- I shipped him a 1.44kg quartercut of Wellman(f) for his review. On August 5, 2005 he confirms he received it. At that time Wellman was worth $3/g, thus a $4320 piece. From August 2005 to January 2006 I was put off several times with excuses about his wife 'stealing' his collection in a marital dispute which included my Wellman (f) piece. He asked me to keep quiet about it. Being sensitive, I did as asked. Febuary 2006- Tucson show. I cornered him at the Tucson show, he agreed to a reasonable trade amout in exchange for the Wellman. Febuary 7, 2006 - The week after the Tucson show ended I got an email from Bob stating he's changed his mind and no deal. But he didn't ship back the Wellman. March to June 2006 - After numerous unanswered emails and phone calls, I sent a certified letter demanding the Wellman's return. There has been no response at all. Yes, I'm aware I was foolish in letting myself be fooled for almost a year. I tend to overly trust the meteorite community in general. Perhaps its a character flaw of mine. -- McCartneyTaylor, IMCA 2760 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Fw: [meteorite-list] Fireball sighting over Northern Germany
Hi Dieter, list Dieter, was this another SW3 fragment? Perseid? Apollo? Any color to this bolide? Green tinge? What are your current thoughts on the SW3 bolides? Have we had any SW3 fragment recoveries yet? If so, who and what? all the best, EP --- Dieter Heinlein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Dieter Heinlein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball sighting over Northern Germany Hi list, just a short comment from the European Fireball Network. The fireball was seen in the evening twilight: On June 11 at 10.10 pm CEST, our cameras did not yet start to work. So the bolide came too early in order to be registered by our camera stations. I suppose that it was a pretty large chunk of cometary debris and not a meteorite dropping event. We registere several of these cometary fireballs every month. Some (especially those that occur in the evening hours) make it to the media and some dont.. If casual observers report, that the meteorite must have landed behind the next tree, it make not very much sense to start a searching campain there... :-)) Just my two cents Dieter Heinlein, Augsburg DLR Fireball Network - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball sighting over Northern Germany Ho list, a fireball in Germany made it to the larger newspapers, which are in such respects normally rather reserved. Shortly combined: On June 11th in the evening at 10:10 pm a bright fireball with fiery tail was independently witnessed by several people in several places in Northern Germany (Kissenbr�ck, Peine, Gifhorn (there were the meteorite fair takes place), Braunschweig, Sch�ningen, Beierstedt, Salzgitter, Vienenburg). Scientists from several regional institute believe, that it was a fall of a meteorite, but are not sure, whether it was a dropper and whether material made it to the ground. The possible impact area is supposed to be in Saxony-Anhalt. Dieter, had the camera network caught the bolide? Was it a dropper? Buckleboo! Martin PS: articles http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/weltraum/0,1518,422472,00.html http://www.volksstimme.de/vsm/nachrichten/sachsen_anhalt/?sid=b6bb6277a820e0 cdcfec3f594bd529bcem_cnt=109145 http://www.welt.de/data/2006/06/21/925299.html http://www.taz.de/pt/2006/06/21/a0263.1/text __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tafassasset thin section wanted
Hello All, I'm looking for a Tafassasset thin section. If you have one for sale, please contact me offline:-). Thank you! Peter MARMET-METEORITES Peter Marmet Bern, Switzerland, IMCA #2747 http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fraudulant Trade - Bob Evans
Mccarthy; I personally applaud you for your post to the list.It may keep someone from suffering the same fate before you win out on this scam.I think you will win out,i hope so anyway.It took courage,knowing how meteorite collectors feel about other collectors and don't want to cause any greif or unnecessary expense,we have enough of that just being collectors of these fabulous meteorites.I think. Thanks for bringing it up and the best of luck on settlement. Best Wishes;Herman Archer. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: AW: [meteorite-list] meteorite dealers (not removing old inventory)
Hi Martin and list, I have seen the same thing happen to me. I tried to buy a rare meteorite, made an offer just to find out it was sold, the list got up dated and its still for sale. But not to me!? (Yippie, be prepared, Stefan Ralew, Andi Gren and Mr.Buckleboo will come to next year's Tucson show!). I will try very hard to make it to Tucson next year too. Maybe Hanno and Christian will come too. I was thrilled meeting a few members of this list in Ensisheim. And today I was at the Ries Crater Museum Nördlingen. http://www.riescrater-museum.de/ See you next year Martin and others! With best regards, Moni __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: eBay Estherville Ending Soon!
Hey folks...a very nice 187g slice of Estherville ending in about 90mins. This slice was professionally cut and prepared by Marlin Cilz and has NHM-London provenance. This is a very beautiful display piece with large metal blebs and diogenite clasts. Have a look and good luck bidding! http://cgi.ebay.com/Historic-Meteorite-Estherville-187g-Slice_W0QQitemZ6638988605QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - June 26, 2006
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[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update #2 - June 23, 2006
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#opportunity OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Three Sols of Driving Gain 138 Meters - sol 852-858, June 23, 2006: Opportunity is healthy. The rover has started receiving a new flight software load. It also advanced 138.1 meters (453 feet) toward Victoria Crater in three sols of driving and observed outcrop targets. As of sol 855 (June 20) Opportunity was 780 meters (just under half a mile) from Victoria Crater and about 300 meters (984 feet) from Beagle Crater. Engineers are uploading new flight software to both Opportunity and Spirit. The upload process is expected to take several weeks before the new software is installed and used. To expedite this process, the team is gradually increasing the duration of Opportunity's high-gain antenna uplink sessions. No files of the new flight software were uplinked via UHF this week. However, beginning with sol 864 (June 29, 2006), Opportunity will begin receiving flight software files via its daily UHF-band communication window as well as via the X-band high-gain antenna. Sol-by-sol summaries: Sol 852 (June 17): Files were loaded for the new flight software via a 20-minute window of communication via the high-gain antenna. Targeted remote sensing with the panoramic camera included an assessment of the clarity of the atmosphere (tau) and imaging of targets called Holberg and Blixen. The miniature thermal emission spectrometer was used for observations of Holberg, Blixen, sky and ground. Sol 853: A flight software upload used a 20-minute high-gain antenna window. The rover drove 42.1 meters (138 feet). Untargeted remote sensing included post-drive imaging by the navigation camera and the panoramic camera, an assessment of tau by the panoramic camera, a check for clouds with the navigation camera, and sky and ground observations with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. Sol 854: Another flight software upload was accomplished during a 20-minute high-gain antenna communication window. The panoramic camera checked tau. The navigation camera looked back in the direction toward where sol 853's drive began. Sol 855: During a 30-minute high-gain antenna session, more of the new flight software was transmitted. Opportunity drove 39.4 meters (129 feet). The navigation camera and panoramic camera made observations from the new location. The panoramic camera checked tau. The miniature thermal emission spectrometer completed a sky and ground observation. Sol 856: During a one-hour window, another flight software upload was accomplished. Untargeted remote sensing included a panoramic camera observation of the ground's brightness, a panoramic camera assessment of tau, and a miniature thermal emission spectrometer observation of sky and ground. Sol 857: More flight software files were uploaded during a 30-minute high-gain antenna window. The rover drove 56.6 meters (186 feet). Opportunity also conducted a panoramic camera assessment of tau, a panoramic camera calibration, and a miniature thermal emission spectrometer observation of sky and ground. Sol 858 (June 23, 2006): A two-hour high-gain antenna session allowed for the upload of more flight software updates. The navigation camera looked back in the direction toward where sol 857's drive began. The panoramic camera checked tau and made a calibration observation. The miniature thermal emission spectrometer observed sky and ground. Opportunity's total odometry as of the end of the drive on sol 855 (June 20, 2006) was 8,190.89 meters (5.09 miles). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fireball Sightings Stretch To Wyoming
http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/14891714.htm Fireball sightings stretch to Wyoming Rona Johnson Grand Forks Herald June 24, 2006 On June 2, Dayne LaHooe was driving on a gravel road through Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming when something caught his eye. It was the most spectacular thing I've ever seen - I have never seen anything like it before, he said. LaHooe called after he read my June 10 column in the Herald about the fireball that streaked across the sky June 2. It shot across the sky and looked like it landed right behind the Tetons, he said. LaHooe, who works in Jackson Hole, Wyo., figured it was about 9:30 p.m., because the stars hadn't even come out yet. He didn't say much to anyone about it because he thought they wouldn't believe him. But he did tell his girlfriend and her father. Then, as luck would have it, his girlfriend's father, who lives in the Twin Cities, was driving through this area and somehow came across my column and sent it to LaHooe. From Minnesota Errol and Chris Johnson, who are from Chewelah, Wash., were in Roseau, Minn., on June 2. They were celebrating Errol's uncle Glen Johnson's 86th birthday. It was about 11:30 p.m. and Errol and about five other family members were sitting in the breezeway of his uncle's home when they heard some distant booming noises. My wife said it sounded like a baseball bat hitting the side of the house - like a sonic boom, I thought, he said. Johnson decided to go outside to see if there was anything going on. Almost immediately, I saw two large fireballs with tails fly by, moving from the south-southeast as they appeared to descend to the north, Errol said. He called to the other family members to come, but the meteor was out of range by the time they got outside. Johnson and his wife didn't hear anything more about the fireball until after they had returned to Washington. My aunt and uncle sent a thank you card and they sent along your article, he said. That's when Johnson called me. Using Google Earth, Johnson was able to find the exact longitude and latitude of where he was standing when he saw the fireballs, which were 48 degrees, 50 minutes, 34.68 seconds north latitude and 95 degrees, 45 minutes, 38.84 seconds west longitude. As far as the angle off of the horizon, I am thinking I had to be looking up about 60 to 75 degrees as I looked directly east, he said. Over in N.D. At the same time that Johnson saw the fireball, Leann Weber was in a tractor cultivating a field about 3 miles north of Cando, N.D. It was about midnight and there was no moon. All of a sudden, the sky just lit up, Weber said. She said the fireball stayed in the sky for about a minute. As it was falling, you could see debris coming off it and it started breaking apart, she said. I've never seen anything like it, and probably will never see any like it again. I guess it's a good reason to keep cultivating late at night. Weber, who works at the Herald as a copy editor, was reminded of the sighting when she was reading my column the night before it appeared in the Herald. If you read my column June 10, you know that I was sitting in University Park in Grand Forks during the American Cancer Society's Relay for Life when I saw the fireball. It's fun to hear from people who saw the fireball, but I still haven't received any photos - hint, hint. And it would be really cool to find out if anyone has found any pieces of the meteorite. I have to apologize to anyone who has been trying to e-mail me lately. My e-mail address has been missing an r for the last month and wasn't caught until this last week. I haven't been ignoring your e-mails, I just haven't received them. Reach Johnson at (701) 780-1229; (800) 477-6572, ext. 229; or [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Carved Glass Beetle in King Tut's Necklace a Tektite?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2242001,00.html King Tut's glass beetle came from outer space Will Iredale The Sunday Times (United Kingdom) June 25, 2006 SCIENTISTS believe they have solved the mystery surrounding a piece of rare natural glass at the centre of an elaborate necklace found among the treasures of Tutankhamun, the boy pharaoh. They think a fragile meteorite broke up as it entered the atmosphere, producing a fireball with temperatures over 1,800C that turned the desert sand and rock into molten lava which became glass when it cooled. Experts have puzzled over the origin of the yellow-green glass - carved into the shape of a scarab beetle - since it was excavated in 1922 from the tomb of the teenage king, who died about 1323BC. It is generally agreed that it came from an area called the Great Sand Sea but there has been uncertainty over how it was formed because there is no crater to back up the idea of a meteorite strike. Now it is thought that the meteorite responsible was not intact but made up of loose rubble. A fireball moving quicker than a hurricane force would have meant a blast of air so hot it could melt all the sand and sandstone on the ground, said Mark Boslough, an expert on impact physics based at the Sandia National Laboratories in New Mexico. He recreated the effect on his computer and found that an object about 390ft in diameter and travelling at 12.4 miles a second would indeed produce enough heat to melt sand and create glass without leaving a crater as it broke up in the atmosphere. The theory forms the basis of a BBC2 television programme, King Tut's Fireball, to be shown next month. It would have become a molten lake of bubbling liquid sand and as the sand cooled it would have formed glass which ended up in King Tutankhamun's jewellery, said Boslough. The necklace holding the 1in oval glass piece is housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. It was one of hundreds of items discovered by the British archeologist Howard Carter in a tomb in the Valley of the Kings in Luxor. In his diary Carter described the brightly coloured gem as greenish yellow chalcedony. However, in 1999 Italian geologists tested the chemical composition of the scarab and concluded it was not chalcedony but natural desert glass, which is found only in the Great Sand Sea 500 miles southwest of Cairo. Many meteorite craters can be seen only from space, so satellite photography experts examined the area. Farouk El-Baz, director of the centre for remote sensing at Boston University said: If this glass is of meteoric origin then there should be a crater of that age. But we did not find a smoking gun for silica (glass) there. Chunks of glass were discovered in 1932 by Patrick Clayton, a British surveyor operating in the desert with the Egyptian Geological Survey. He ran into this funny area with this glistening stuff all over the place, said his son Peter this weekend. Next year an exhibition will be held in London showing for the first time many of the pieces found by Carter. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
