Re: [meteorite-list] Why Planets Will Never Be Defined
Your questions imply that a definition of the word 'planet' is useful scientifically. That is a view not shared by many professional planetary scientists, Oh contraire - so what exactly does a planetary scientist study if a definition of the word planet is not important??? - maybe studying wildlife, or cheese making? - Doh! LoL :) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday, November 22, 2006
Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday, November 22, 2006 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_22.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] make a reasonable offer (AD)
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:04:07 -0800, you wrote: Matteo, Reflect on your own history before you cast asparagus. Is that a zen thing? http://www.merchantspassage.com/servlet/Detail?no=1071 http://atouchofglassgifts.tripod.com/id19.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Holiday Deals - eBay Auctions Today
Dear List Members, First, I wish everyone a wonderful Thanksgiving Holiday tomorrow (and tonight for those who will be celebrating twice!). Later today I have a lot of eBay auctions ending, many Many still at their opening price of just 99 cents! Several holiday deals will be had today! Check out all that I have under my seller name, NaturesVault. Here are some auctions of which I am almost out of material or they are very hard to get: NWA 2200 Lunar http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180051700069rd=1rd=1 NWA 2795 Brecciated Diogenite http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180051704656rd=1rd=1 NWA 2999 Angrite The Real Deal (Almost out) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180051707049rd=1rd=1 NWA 3136 Lunar http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180051708414rd=1rd=1 NWA 3159 Plutonic Eucrite http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180051711714rd=1rd=1 NWA 3171 Martian (Almost out) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180051713383rd=1rd=1 Dhofar 461 Lunar (Almost out) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180051714978rd=1rd=1 In addition to these above items, there are also many planetary and other rare classifications that are far below retail pricing. I also have many 1-kilo lots and individuals of unclassified Saharans. Here is one of the larger lots ending next Monday: Unclassified Lot about 21 kilos of nice material!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180053682105rd=1rd=1 Later today I will be loading several NWA 869 individuals and 1-kilo lots, along with a large 18 kilo individual. Best regards and Thank You for looking and bidding, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 3163 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hope Fades For Missing Mars Global Surveyor
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0611/21mgs/ Hope fades for missing Mars Global Surveyor craft BY WILLIAM HARWOOD STORY WRITTEN FOR CBS NEWS SPACE PLACE USED WITH PERMISSION November 21, 2006 NASA's $377 million Mars Global Surveyor, the oldest of four spacecraft currently in orbit around the red planet, apparently fell victim to what amounts to severe arthritis Nov. 2 when one of its two solar panels jammed and stopped tracking the sun. While the 10-year-old spacecraft may still be alive, hunkered down in electronic hibernation awaiting instructions from Earth, flight controllers have not been able to regain contact and fear the aging satellite may be lost, officials said today. While we have not exhausted everything we could do ... we believe the prospect of recovery of MGS is not looking very good at all, said Fuk Li, Mars program manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. However, MGS has been a good friend, it's had an illustrious career, the data it's collected has taught us a lot about Mars and it will continue to teach us a lot about Mars, Li told reporters in a teleconference. We're certainly feeling that we might be losing a good friend from our family here. We're still holding out some hope, but we are fully prepared in our hearts that we may never be able to talk to the spacecraft again. The Mars Global Surveyor was launched Nov. 7, 1996. After a one-year cruise to Mars, the spacecraft braked into an elliptical orbit Sept. 11, 1997. To save money, MSG was not designed to carry enough fuel to brake directly into a circular mapping orbit. That would have required a more powerful launch vehicle, a larger spacecraft and a much higher price tag. Instead, the flight plan called for repeated dips into Mars' atmosphere to lower the high point of the initial orbit. That process should have taken four months or so to complete. But because of concern about the strength of one of the craft's two big solar panels, the so-called aerobraking maneuver was stretched out to a full year. MGS began studying Mars in earnest in April 1999. The original mission requirement was to map the surface of the planet for two years. NASA recently approved the mission's fourth two-year extension. But on Nov. 2 at 6:35 p.m. EST, when MGS emerged from behind Mars as viewed from Earth, telemetry indicated major problems with one of its solar arrays - the same array that caused concern when the spacecraft reached Mars in 1997. In fact, the spacecraft had decided on its own to switch over to the backup electronics that drives the motor that moves the solar array and also to move to a redundant power bus on the spacecraft, Li said. The spacecraft then regained its functions and performed nominally through the rest of the orbit. Then it went behind Mars one more time and at about (8:27 p.m.) when we were expecting it to come back out from behind Mars to talk to us again, we were not able to re-establish nominal communications. Three days later, flight controllers detected what may have been an extremely weak carrier signal from MGS during portions of four orbits. But nothing has been heard since then, despite more than 800 commands sent in the blind to restore communications. Last Friday and again on Monday, cameras on NASA's recently arrived Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter searched the presumed orbital track of the Global Surveyor in hopes of visually spotting the spacecraft to determine its orientation and the orientation of its solar panels. Our preliminary analysis so far has not yielded any definitive images of MGS, Li said. Tom Thorpe, MGS project manager at JPL, said that even in safe mode, flight controllers should have been able to re-establish communications. The solar array minus panel is the panel we believe cracked shortly after launch, he said. It's deployment was very hard, we believe the damper arm broke and we noticed during cruise (to Mars) that the flexibility of the panel had increased. This ultimately resulted in a delay of our aerobraking by about a year's time as we were forced to aerobrake very gently through the atmosphere with the panel turned in the opposite direction. Now, that may be totally unrelated to this event, but the same panel seems to be the one that caused this problem. On Nov. 2, the solar arrays had been commanded to a slight offset from the sun. Both panels moved as expected but subsequently, this minus panel sent back errors in its tracking performance. So we went into eclipse. When we came out, there was no signal. During eclipse, the panels perform what's called an 'unwind,' so they're ready to see the sun when we come out of eclipse, Thorpe said. That's about a 200-degree travel for these panels. We believe somewhere during that eclipse, the panel failed to move, got stuck. The problem is, we don't know at what attitude it got stuck. Now, when the fault protection software determined that the panel was stuck, it tried the backup gimbal, the backup
[meteorite-list] Stardust Selected For Aviation Week 2006 Program Excellence Award
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fecci=18042rsbci=0fti=111ti=0sc=400 LOCKHEED MARTIN-BUILT NASA STARDUST SELECTED FOR AVIATION WEEK 2006 PROGRAM EXCELLENCE AWARD Denver, Co., November 21, 2006 -- NASA's Stardust program has received the 2006 Aviation Week Program Excellence Award. Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] designed and built the Stardust spacecraft under contract to NASA. The award was recently announced at the publication's Aerospace and Defense Conference in Phoenix, Ariz. The Stardust mission, managed by the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), provided scientists with the first comet samples and interstellar dust grains ever returned to Earth from a known comet. In addition to building the Stardust spacecraft, Lockheed Martin built the sample return capsule, provided joint spacecraft operations working in concert with JPL, and designed and implemented the capsule's recovery in the Utah desert earlier this year. Stardust was an amazing mission; one of intrigue, innovation and determination, not to mention a couple world records, said Jim Crocker, vice president of Civil Space at Lockheed Martin Space Systems Company. This award is another testament to our remarkable program team at NASA JPL, Lockheed Martin and the University of Washington. On Jan. 2, 2004 Stardust flew through the coma of comet Wild 2 and captured cometary dust particles. The spacecraft also collected interstellar dust during its seven-year, 3.2-billion mile voyage. Stardust's sample return capsule gently returned these samples to Earth on Jan. 15, 2006. As a result, scientists are already rewriting the text of how the solar system was formed. I was thrilled to represent our Stardust team for this award because it recognizes the breadth and depth of its accomplishment, said Joe Vellinga, Stardust program manager at Lockheed Martin Space Systems Company. Aviation Week's team of aerospace and defense experts culled through more than 300 programs to find those that did what they set out to do, on schedule and within cost. To win out of the entire industry is extremely flattering. Lockheed Martin's Atlas launch vehicle program won the second of only two 2006 Aviation Week Program Excellence Awards. . The Program Excellence Award is judged by a panel of industry experts according to a comprehensive set of criteria that includes quality program management. Programs are evaluated on how they create value for the parent corporation and customers, establish organization and leadership processes, address complexity and use metrics to measure performance. The Stardust program was also a recent recipient of the 2006 Popular Mechanics Breakthrough Award. Stardust was one of eight innovations recognized in the Science Invention category and featured in the October 2006 issue. Lockheed Martin Space Systems Company, a major operating unit of Lockheed Martin Corporation, designs, develops, tests, manufactures and operates a variety of advanced-technology systems for national security, civil and commercial customers. Chief products include human space flight systems; a full range of remote sensing, navigation, meteorological and communications satellites and instruments; space observatories and interplanetary spacecraft; launch vehicles, fleet ballistic missiles; and missile defense systems. For more information about the Stardust program go to: http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov Headquartered in Bethesda, Md., Lockheed Martin employs about 140,000 people worldwide and is principally engaged in the research, design, development, manufacture, integration and sustainment of advanced technology systems, products and services. The corporation reported 2005 sales of $37.2 billion. Contact: Media Contact: Gary Napier, (303) 971-4012; [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional information, visit our website: http://www.lockheedmartin.com/stardust __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dune formation and (coming later) Deflation basins and where to search for meteorites
Dear List, This topic may provide some interesting and valuable information for the list about where to search for meteorites. If someone wants to form a Working Group on this topic please let me know offline. Here are some references that may be of interest to a few of you concerning dune formation: Main Page: http://www.geog.ucl.ac.uk/~hmomiji/#Research --- Sub-pages: http://www.geog.ucl.ac.uk/~hmomiji/ http://www.geog.ucl.ac.uk/~hmomiji/environ.htm http://www.geog.ucl.ac.uk/~hmomiji/#PublicationsI Please feel free to contribute IF you wish. We have several on this list that are desert experts; Dr. Dave Mouat is an expert on world desert environments. While working for Colorado State University, Engineering Department, Fluid Dynamics and Wind Engineering, I assisted on studies for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and we had several tons of Saudi sand flown in for our wind tunnel studies. Not all sands are the same by the way in behavior. Best, Dirk Ross...Tokyo Sponsored Link Online degrees - find the right program to advance your career. www.nextag.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dunes/ Deflation basins references PT.2
Dear List, Enclosed are some basic and advanced references on delation basins, dunes, and meteorites. Dirk Ross...Tokyo http://www.tec.army.mil/research/products/desert_guide/lsmsheet/lsbasin.htm http://www.llnl.gov/tid/lof/documents/pdf/237492.pdf http://www.osti.gov/bridge/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=756735 http://www.tec.army.mil/research/products/desert_guide/lifsheet/libasin.htm http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/Sciences/Earthscience/Geology/Deserts/Deserts/EolianProcesses/Eolian/Eolian.htm http://daac.gsfc.nasa.gov/geomorphology/GEO_8/GEO_PLATE_E-7.shtml These are only the tip of the dune...many references available. Use if you wish or delete. drs...Tokyo Sponsored Link Online or Campus degree Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's in less than one year.www.findtherightschool.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Deserts/Dunes/Eolian surfaces and images Pt3
Dear List, In case some of you missed these sub-links on one of the reference links that I sent you may also want to read and view these: http://daac.gsfc.nasa.gov/geomorphology/GEO_8/GEO_CHAPTER_8.HTML http://daac.gsfc.nasa.gov/geomorphology/GEO_8/GEO_CHAPTER_8_TABLE.shtml Best, Dirk Ross..Tokyo Sponsored Link Rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Loan for $1698/mo. Calcuate new payment. www.LowerMyBills.com/lre __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Stewart Valley Meteorites.
Hi List , All of the Stewart Valley meteorites have been spoken for. Thanks, Sonny Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rusty rocks
Since the list has a large combined knowledge and plenty of previous experience what is the best way to dry out meteorites gathered from a wet environment? would soaking in anhydrous alcohol or ether prior to oven drying do a better job of removing moisture from the interior? Some of the meteorites I have found locally are sweating rust even after repeated drying . Since meteorites conduct electricity has anyone ever tried using it to stabilize rusty rocks? seems to me the electricity would get right to the metal remove the water and reduce the oxidation but I am not sure if it would cause other undesirable effects. On another note after playing fetch using nwa 869 meteorites for several months, my Lab Trixie has found her first meteorite, a small ordinary chondrite. Best regards Steve - Sponsored Link Rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Loan for $1399/mo - Calculate new house payment__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Why Planets Will Never Be Defined
Yeah saw that one! Still a bit of light hearted 'stirring it up', now and again keeps life interesting eh! Low humidity clear skies, Mark Ford _ From: Dave Freeman mjwy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 November 2006 10:01 To: mark ford Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Why Planets Will Never Be Defined Making cheese, I am laughing quite hardscore double points for that onedid you see the Ruben/Bob grind? Grated cheese! DAve F. mark ford wrote: Your questions imply that a definition of the word 'planet' is useful scientifically. That is a view not shared by many professional planetary scientists, Oh contraire - so what exactly does a planetary scientist study if a definition of the word planet is not important??? - maybe studying wildlife, or cheese making? - Doh! LoL :) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] make a reasonable offer (AD)
my own history ? Please, write here my history, I am browse to read.when I have put tons of AD for every week with the same subject? I waith... Matteo --- Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Matteo, Your call for arms is as infuriating as Steve's ads. Reflect on your own history before you cast asparagus. I just don't see you as an enforcer of the righteous way of the list. Best to most, Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:26:13 +0100 (CET) To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] make a reasonable offer (AD) what we waith to kik off this person from the list for violation of the rules? He continue to send tons of AD when its clear write send 1 for week! Matteo --- steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hi list.I have 9 pieces left on my meteorite sale,nothing is 2 for 1 anymore.But make me an offer on any of the 9 pieces lets see if we can make a deal.Then this will be it for this sale.NO MORE. STEVE Steve Arnold,Chicago,USA!! BIG Steve's Meteorites,1999!! Website://:stormbringer60120.tripod.com Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Playa Deflation PT.4
Dear List, Here are some more links, related to meteorite hunting and playa deflation: http://www.csrl.ars.usda.gov/wewc/icar5/individuals/111.pdf http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=5882655 By Robert Verish et al: http://members.tripod.com/~bolidechaser/lucerne/lv-abstr.htm http://www.tec.army.mil/research/products/desert_guide/lsmsheet/lsplaya.htm http://www.c4g.lsu.edu/moj_gis_dir/playa.html Enough for now. Please feel free to share more references if anyone wishes. Goodnight. Dirk Ross...Tokyo Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday, November 22, 2006
Outstanding oddity Marcin!! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday,November 22, 2006 Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday, November 22, 2006 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_22.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] make a reasonable offer (AD)
Thanks Darren, but I'm much too hungry to wait 3 weeks for delivery. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] make a reasonable offer (AD) On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:04:07 -0800, you wrote: Matteo, Reflect on your own history before you cast asparagus. Is that a zen thing? http://www.merchantspassage.com/servlet/Detail?no=1071 http://atouchofglassgifts.tripod.com/id19.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] make a reasonable offer (AD)
Whimsical and HAPPY. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] make a reasonable offer (AD) On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:04:07 -0800, you wrote: Matteo, Reflect on your own history before you cast asparagus. Is that a zen thing? http://www.merchantspassage.com/servlet/Detail?no=1071 http://atouchofglassgifts.tripod.com/id19.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday, November 22, 2006
Ditto! Ditto! Hear! Hear! José Campos - Original Message - From: Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday, November 22, 2006 Outstanding oddity Marcin!! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday,November 22, 2006 Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday, November 22, 2006 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_22.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday, November 22, 2006
Yes it was amazing piece of space dust :) Now someone have his christmass ultra cool gift. I should make photo before I grinded and polished it. :( Outstanding oddity Marcin!! Jerry Flaherty Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday, November 22, 2006 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_22.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day -Wednesday, November 22, 2006
I was the lucky buyer for this stone. Thanks for the good deal Marcin! I wonder how far into the stone this inclusion will go. It would make for some interesting slices, but I would hate to cut it. By the way, check out Marcin's DaG949: http://www.polandmet.com/_dag949.htm I received my slice last week and it looks even better in person! Kind regards, Mike Bandli -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PolandMET Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 2:37 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day -Wednesday, November 22, 2006 Yes it was amazing piece of space dust :) Now someone have his christmass ultra cool gift. I should make photo before I grinded and polished it. :( Outstanding oddity Marcin!! Jerry Flaherty Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday, November 22, 2006 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_22.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day -Wednesday, November 22, 2006
I envious but even more than a little curiouse. Mike you shouldn't have raised the cutting idea??!! Great deal! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Mike Bandli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Meteorite Mailing List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day -Wednesday,November 22, 2006 I was the lucky buyer for this stone. Thanks for the good deal Marcin! I wonder how far into the stone this inclusion will go. It would make for some interesting slices, but I would hate to cut it. By the way, check out Marcin's DaG949: http://www.polandmet.com/_dag949.htm I received my slice last week and it looks even better in person! Kind regards, Mike Bandli -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PolandMET Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 2:37 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day -Wednesday, November 22, 2006 Yes it was amazing piece of space dust :) Now someone have his christmass ultra cool gift. I should make photo before I grinded and polished it. :( Outstanding oddity Marcin!! Jerry Flaherty Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday, November 22, 2006 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_22.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rusty rocks-- Lawrencite Disease, Trixie
There is a name for this Rusty Rock condition which veterans of collecting know as Lawrencite disease. Lawrencite is the mineral Iron/Nickel Chloride (Fe,Ni)Cl2. In fact Lawrencite's type classification location was a Georgia USA Meteorite. Drying out a meteorite isn't an complete answer because Lawrencite is a moisture attractant(deliquescencent) that facilitates --in catalyst fashion, the rebinding of free iron with water derived oxygen, creating rust and Hydrochloric acid. The chlorine is never used up but recycled so long as there is iron and water. Elton PS: Don't know about the electrical current issue other than sounds like a plating problem PPS: Congrats to the meteorite sniffing dog, Trixie do tell us more!. Don't worry; she can't catch Lawrencite disease. From Bill Cordua's Site:http://www.uwrf.edu/~wc01/SickMeteors.html Sick Meteorites Meteorites have broken off asteroids, whirled through space for billions of years, survived a fiery passage through the earth's atmosphere and bashed into the planet's surface. After this turbulent history, one would not expect these meteorites would meet one of their greatest danger residing in a cabinet in a museum. Yet it is here that they catch the dreaded lawrencite disease. Once caught, the meteorite turns rusty, exudes green or brown goo and eventually falls to pieces. Only an air-tight sealing in dry nitrogen gas seems to hold off final destruction. These meteorites need to be on life support! Of course lawrencite disease is not a biological condition like human diseases and it is definitely not catching! It is a kind of chemical weathering that afflicts meteorites that contain the mineral lawrencite. Lawrencite is iron chloride (FeCl2). It is a soft green to brown hexagonal mineral that forms small masses or coatings along the boundaries between the iron-nickel alloy minerals (such as taenite and kamacite) that make up the bulk of iron meteorites. The taenite and kamacite are what show up as the brightly shining tabular crystals seen on polished iron meteorite surfaces. The lawrencite films along the grain boundaries don't often show up on these polished surfaces, at least not at first. They will soon make their presence known as the meteorite is exposed to air and water. Lawrencite shows a property called deliquescence. This means it absorbs water from the air and liquefies. The liquefaction produces the brown to green gooey sludge which begins to form around the shiny metallic alloys. This sludge consists of iron oxides plus hydrochloric acid, which attacks the other iron minerals, making more sludge and so forth. Eventually the affected areas spread, wedge apart and alter the other minerals and eventually reduce the meteorite sample to a pile of rusty debris. There is no cure - short of sealing the meteorite away. A meteorite type called pallasite is particularly vulnerable to this conditions. These meteorites contain deep green clear olivine crystals set in a matrix of nickel;-iron alloys. Slabbed and polished samples of pallasites are beautiful and expensive. However, if the lawrencite disease strikes, the sample deteriorates rapidly, with the olivine crystals falling out as the alloys rust away. Always look for incipient rusty or gooey areas along grain boundaries before buying one of these! So it goes with meteorites foolish enough to leave the safety of pure space for the impure chemical soup we lovingly call our earth's environment. - Dr. Bill Cordua, U. Wisconsin - River Falls References: Norton, O. Richard, 1994, Rocks from Space, Mountain Publishing Co,, . Palache, C., H. Berman and C. Frondell, 1951, Dana's System of Mineralogy, 7th. edition, vol. I and II, John Wiley Publishers, New York. --- Steve Dunklee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On another note after playing fetch using nwa 869 meteorites for several months, my Lab Trixie has found her first meteorite, a small ordinary chondrite. Best regards Steve __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day -Wednesday, November 22, 2006
I was the lucky buyer for this stone. Thanks for the good deal Marcin! I wonder how far into the stone this inclusion will go. It would make for some interesting slices, but I would hate to cut it. Im the known butcher with no mercy, but this stone is tooo beautifull to cut. Im affraid that this is just a square fragment of something and there will be only 2-3 thin slices and then it dissapear. This whole stone have beautifull shape. It could be a sin to cut it :) By the way, check out Marcin's DaG949: http://www.polandmet.com/_dag949.htm I received my slice last week and it looks even better in person! Yes Its another curiosity. I just send sample for thin section and I hope that Silesia University can answer my question if this is 7mm crust or not. I'll inform list members what they will say about this. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rusty rocks-- Lawrencite Disease, Correction
OOps.. Type class locale for Lawrencite was the Tazewell meteorite, Claiborne Co., Tennessee, USA not a Georgia meteorite but it has been found in Georgia meteorites. So much for facts from memory. Any treatment has to remove the chlorine ions/compounds. I suggest I could place a freshly fallen iron in distileld degassed water, seal it and it would form a thin rind of Iron Oxide but remain pristine for decades. Elton --- Mr EMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact Lawrencite's type classification location was a Georgia USA Meteorite. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] in Smithsonian Magazine
Hello Members, I found this in the Letters section on this month's issue of Smithsonian Magazine: HOT ROCKS DASH MOON SKEPTICS: As a former student intern at NASA's Johnson Space Center now serving time for the heist of Apollo moon rocks, I share the frustration expressed by Melody Von Smith in Moonstruck. Arguing logic with those who hold ignorance as a badge of honor rarely does any good. When people say to me that the moon landings were faked, I simply ask them why I am here. Thad Roberts Federal Prison Florence Colorado Have a great Turkey Day! Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] in Smithsonian Magazine
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:07:28 EST, you wrote: Hello Members, I found this in the Letters section on this month's issue of Smithsonian Magazine: HOT ROCKS DASH MOON SKEPTICS: As a former student intern at NASA's Johnson Space Center now serving time for the heist of Apollo moon rocks, I share the frustration expressed by Melody Von Smith in Moonstruck. Arguing logic with those who hold ignorance as a badge of honor rarely does any good. When people say to me that the moon landings were faked, I simply ask them why I am here. Thad Roberts Well, we know he gets Smithsonian and Discover in jail (as per my earlier posting of a letter to Discover). I wonder what other magazines he gets? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] in Smithsonian Magazine
I just hd to foward this one to my Ham buddies. He's got the authorities cited to the enth degree on this as a giant Hoax. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] in Smithsonian Magazine Hello Members, I found this in the Letters section on this month's issue of Smithsonian Magazine: HOT ROCKS DASH MOON SKEPTICS: As a former student intern at NASA's Johnson Space Center now serving time for the heist of Apollo moon rocks, I share the frustration expressed by Melody Von Smith in Moonstruck. Arguing logic with those who hold ignorance as a badge of honor rarely does any good. When people say to me that the moon landings were faked, I simply ask them why I am here. Thad Roberts Federal Prison Florence Colorado Have a great Turkey Day! Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fwd: Lawrencite and Akaganeite, w/data card
For the terrestrial phase, minerals-in-meteorites collector here are links to lawrencite and akaganeite. There is even a printable collection card at the bottom of each description.(as are taenite and kamacite under their descriptions) Akaganeite: http://webmineral.com/data/Akaganeite.shtml Lawrencite: http://webmineral.com/data/Lawrencite.shtml Akaganeite is a chlorinated iron hydrite which is the alteration product [Fe+++(O,OH,Cl)] derived from the former in the presence of moisture. Those that claim to literally watch their Campos rust away into flakes aren't too far off. The Lawrencite Hydrochloric duo moves into pores and cracks where forming akaganeite expands and flakes away rotten layers. More Discussion on lawrencite and akaganeite http://rruff.geo.arizona.edu/doclib/hom/lawrencite.pdf Back to syphoning off my monthly brew of akaganeite tea! Elton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fwd: Lawrencite and Akaganeite, w/data card
For the terrestrial phase, minerals-in-meteorites collector here are links to lawrencite and akaganeite. There is even a printable collection card at the bottom of each description.(as are taenite and kamacite under their descriptions) Akaganeite: http://webmineral.com/data/Akaganeite.shtml Lawrencite: http://webmineral.com/data/Lawrencite.shtml Akaganeite is a chlorinated iron hydrite which is the alteration product [Fe+++(O,OH,Cl)] derived from the former in the presence of moisture. Those that claim to literally watch their Campos rust away into flakes aren't too far off. The Lawrencite Hydrochloric duo moves into pores and cracks where forming akaganeite expands and flakes away rotten layers. More Discussion on lawrencite and akaganeite http://rruff.geo.arizona.edu/doclib/hom/lawrencite.pdf Back to syphoning off my monthly brew of akaganeite tea! Elton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rusty rocks
way to go Trixie. i'll have to see if i can train my dogs. Happy Thanksgiving everyone. take care susan - Original Message - From: Steve Dunklee To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rusty rocks Since the list has a large combined knowledge and plenty of previous experience what is the best way to dry out meteorites gathered from a wet environment? would soaking in anhydrous alcohol or ether prior to oven drying do a better job of removing moisture from the interior? Some of the meteorites I have found locally are sweating rust even after repeated drying . Since meteorites conduct electricity has anyone ever tried using it to stabilize rusty rocks? seems to me the electricity would get right to the metal remove the water and reduce the oxidation but I am not sure if it would cause other undesirable effects. On another note after playing fetch using nwa 869 meteorites for several months, my Lab Trixie has found her first meteorite, a small ordinary chondrite. Best regards Steve -- Sponsored Link Rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Loan for $1399/mo - Calculate new house payment -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rusty rocks
Hi List members, Steve and Trixie! I am sure Trixie is going to get an extra piece of turkey. I would like to know also how did she find the meteorite and where. Did you take her to the desert and let her loose and she sniffed until she found one or how? This could make a nice Thanksgiving story to read after we all stuff ourselves with the turkey dinner. Happy Thanksgiving and best regards, Moni From: Steve Dunklee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Rusty rocks Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:05:40 -0800 (PST) Since the list has a large combined knowledge and plenty of previous experience what is the best way to dry out meteorites gathered from a wet environment? would soaking in anhydrous alcohol or ether prior to oven drying do a better job of removing moisture from the interior? Some of the meteorites I have found locally are sweating rust even after repeated drying . Since meteorites conduct electricity has anyone ever tried using it to stabilize rusty rocks? seems to me the electricity would get right to the metal remove the water and reduce the oxidation but I am not sure if it would cause other undesirable effects. On another note after playing fetch using nwa 869 meteorites for several months, my Lab Trixie has found her first meteorite, a small ordinary chondrite. Best regards Steve _ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improvelocale=en-USsource=hmemailtaglinenov06FORM=WLMTAG __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Website update
Hello everybody, Enough work for the day. Or maybe the week. The Impact Glass page is up to date, so is the Wabar glass page. I added a bunch of new pieces to my Catalog ( www.impactika.com/metlist.htm ) and there are some rare ones there! Have you ever heard of Waka? It's a Texas stoney, H6. I added another bunch of pictures to the Catalog. No, it is not all done, with well over 600 pieces it will be a work in progress for a while longer, but about half of the pieces listed now have pictures. And if you are interested or just curious about a piece that does not have a picture yet, just tell me and I'll shoot that one next. Then one of my consigners asked me to lower the price on some of his pieces. And I got that done too. All those new pieces and prices are in Red, so you should have no problem finding them. But do let me know if you do have a question. Enjoy! And have a Great Turkey Day Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Trixie
Moni wrote: Did you take her to the desert and let her loose and she sniffed until she found one or how? Jejeje! Go Go Go, Trixie, Go !! Hopefully Trixie wasn't too loose around the Shooting Star (Racer X's car's name)... Sadly, Chim-chim, after hunting forever, only dug up a trunkful of candy:-( Will the NomCom recognize Ms. Trixie as the finder? You know, she'd kinda be the first approved meteorite Lab... Best wishes, peace and Turkey to all, PS, Bet that meteorite, after proper classification, will learn to fetch a lot all by itself... (aarrrgh, enough, Doug, !!!) - Original Message - From: Moni Waiblinger-Seabridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rusty rocks Hi List members, Steve and Trixie! I am sure Trixie is going to get an extra piece of turkey. I would like to know also how did she find the meteorite and where. Did you take her to the desert and let her loose and she sniffed until she found one or how? This could make a nice Thanksgiving story to read after we all stuff ourselves with the turkey dinner. Happy Thanksgiving and best regards, Moni From: Steve Dunklee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Rusty rocks Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:05:40 -0800 (PST) Since the list has a large combined knowledge and plenty of previous experience what is the best way to dry out meteorites gathered from a wet environment? would soaking in anhydrous alcohol or ether prior to oven drying do a better job of removing moisture from the interior? Some of the meteorites I have found locally are sweating rust even after repeated drying . Since meteorites conduct electricity has anyone ever tried using it to stabilize rusty rocks? seems to me the electricity would get right to the metal remove the water and reduce the oxidation but I am not sure if it would cause other undesirable effects. On another note after playing fetch using nwa 869 meteorites for several months, my Lab Trixie has found her first meteorite, a small ordinary chondrite. Best regards Steve _ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improvelocale=en-USsource=hmemailtaglinenov06FORM=WLMTAG __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday, November 22, 2006
When I saw todays picture I thought it looked very similar to a meteorite I bought from Dean Bessey two years ago. It wasn't until I cut the stone I found the white inclusion. I would like to see a close-up on the structure of the inclusion to compare it to my piece. This is not the best pictures of my smaller inclusion, I'll try to take some better pictures when I get some spare time... could take some time. The inclusion in my rock is only 5x5 mm. http://www.meteorite.neab.net/pictures/meteorite-0009.jpg http://www.meteorite.neab.net/pictures/meteorite-0010.jpg http://www.meteorite.neab.net/pictures/meteorite-0013a.jpg http://www.meteorite.neab.net/pictures/meteorite-0013b.jpg http://www.meteorite.neab.net/pictures/meteorite-0013c.jpg If it is the same inclusion and someone would like to do a scientific analyse of my piece I would gladly donate the slice to a lab. /Göran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday, November 22, 2006 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_22.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
