Dirk, Dave, List-Members,
You seem to have missed the point.
The IMCA DOES give a damn about authenticity, integrity and honesty. And
that is why Matteo (and a few others) are no longer members.
If you want to deal with someone who is committed to giving a damn about
authenticity,
Dear Matteo and List:
Question 1) By your own statement you are NOW
Admitting NO analysis was done (0r is completed) on
your Aubrite?? specimen before calling it an
Aubrite? Yes or No?
Matteo, friendship does not pend on one asking
another IF he is correct or not. Many friends do. I
did
Anne, List and IMCA members, Hello!
Thank you, Anne. I did not miss the point at all.
I appreciate that the IMCA has done a great job of
policing the meteorite trade and its own members.
That is why I support it in principle, although I
removed my membership for other reasons. Ken Newton
Thank you, Dirk.
If an IMCA member did the same as Matteo, he would have already been
contacted by the IMCA Board, and asked for some explanations.
Thank you for understanding.
Goodnight.
Anne M. Black
_www.IMPACTIKA.com_ (http://www.IMPACTIKA.com)
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Hello Dave and list,
I differ with much of your opinion here Dave and do not understand the anger
you seem to have against the IMCA, which was NOT formed to be a self
appointed police force.
I think that you desire something from the IMCA that would be impossible
from the Meteoritical Society
Matteo and List,
Matteo you were not put out of the IMCA because of
anything related to Mike Farmer (Mike Farmer has and
never will be a member of the IMCA). You were put out
for several of you so-far undisclosed (but known)
dishonest deeds and several misrepresentations.
IT is a wonder the
Hi all, This is Tom Phillips
Hello Tom, I think I can say we all have enjoyed your photographsand
welcome to the list.
I have sent samples to Ted Bunch (not self paired) of both color types and
my understanding, at the moment is, all the material, brown and blue/gray is
from the same
http://www.spacerocksinc.com/January_4.html
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Well I hope everyone had a great new years.It seems
that a few of our listees had to great a new year.With
all this hype of this paleo/EL3 meteorite,I am happy
with my 27 gram slice of NWA 2828 from the hupes'.Well
to my main question.When a meteorite is found,say less
than 40 grams,how much do
steve arnold wrote:
When a meteorite is found,say less than 40 grams,how much do you
know what to give so it
can be classified?
20 %!
Peter Marmet
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Dear List Members,
Since some members do not remember the very lengthy thread regarding NWA
2828, the first in this series, and recent pairings, here is the most up to
date description and an abstract I have for NWA 2828, an EL3 Fossil
meteorite originally classified as an aubrite, but not
Norm,
I think that if they were to scratch it hard with a nail, it would go in
pretty deep and be very shiny.
Mike
Thanks for the better picture Adam. From the random
abrasions and percussion pits, it looks like a
fragment from some heavy equipment part that self
destructed, then got run over
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2600/nwa4420sg0.jpg
confirmed 100% Primitive Aubrite and its the same
material I have here, this
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/9620/aubritegr1685sc7.jpg
http://www.polandmet.com/gfx_mc024/005.htm
http://www.polandmet.com/gfx_mc024/012.htm
And this
Thank you Greg! This should put this to bed and prove
exactly what I said! Matteo's piece is simply another
piece of this large meteorite. The photos are
identical. I am still trying to find my large box of
fragments of this meteorite, so that I can cut one and
load it on ebay, to show how
AWESOME video!
http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/
--
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Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
ebay id: mhmeteorites
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OH MY GOD! That is breathtaking. It sure seems to be
on an extremely low angle. It must have been HUGE.
My bags are packed and ready to go. Any information?
Which way was this heading, CLOUDBAIT? Surely your
cameras caught this monster?
Michael Farmer
My mouth is still hanging open.
--- Matt
Does it seem to anyone else that Colorado is seeing more than its share of
these events
lately?
Gary
http://www.meteorite-dealers.com
On 4 Jan 2007 at 9:04, Matt Morgan wrote:
http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/
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Guys, Matteo/Marcin,
if either one of you would ever stp foot into Morocco,
right now you could find 200 or 300 kilos of this
material for sale in an hour in the right city. I have
pieces, large ones, that are all the light material.
They are in a box here somewhere, (I shipped home many
boxes
Not so fast. It may be a Soyuz rocketrecent reports now suggest.
Matt
Michael Farmer wrote:
OH MY GOD! That is breathtaking. It sure seems to be
on an extremely low angle. It must have been HUGE.
My bags are packed and ready to go. Any information?
Which way was this heading, CLOUDBAIT?
That thing looks to me like many of the chunks of lead that I've dug while
metal detecting, however, I just asked Lt. Robert Brightman, who was the
officer on the scene if it was magnetic. He said that it held a magnet quite
well. If it is lead, then there's something ferrous inside it, too.
It seems to come in that way sometimes. Don't forget
Norway last summer, in June they had a massive
fireball from which nothing was recovered, then less
than three weeks later, they had another massive
fireball which dropped the Moss, CO3 carbonaceous
chondrite.
So like airplane crashes, they seem
Don't pack your bags unless you're interested in little bits of Russian
metal. This looks like the decay of a rocket body. It was predicted for
last night, but those predictions are never very good.
The path was north to south, passing overhead in western Colorado.
Chris
Marcin wrote:
If someone will buy Matteo aubrite it is HIS problem. If he will buy it
10
times more expensive this is thread beetween seller and buyer.
I sincerely doubt you speak for very many members on this List, and seeing
that you have an IMCA number I'm a little surprised one of its
steve arnold wrote:
When a meteorite is found,say less than 40 grams,how much do you
know what to give so it
can be classified?
20 %!
Peter Marmet
and 10% mass for confirmed pairings ?
-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL
Its just weird when the odds are defied like that.
Gary
On 4 Jan 2007 at 8:19, Michael Farmer wrote:
It seems to come in that way sometimes. Don't forget
Norway last summer, in June they had a massive
fireball from which nothing was recovered, then less
than three weeks later, they had
Please forgive me for not referencing actual NWA numbers but...
After scanning some material, my take is that at various times this
material has been proposed to be (if not actually classified as) a
primitive aubrite, then an EL6/7 and then after some sparsely distributed
chondrules were found,
Yes, that is the exact simple breakdown. I used the
El6/7 classification, because that is what is still in
the meteoritical bulletin.
They are now all lumped into EL3 meteorites now
though.
Mike
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Please forgive me for not referencing actual NWA
numbers but...
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Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 5:04 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Incredible Meteor over Colorado this AM
AWESOME video!
http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/
It is real ?
Real? Yesit is definitely real, but probably a Russian Soyuz rocket.
PolandMET wrote:
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Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 5:04 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Incredible
Message: 13
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 09:04:58 -0700
From: Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AWESOME video!
http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/
Awesome indeed!
This most likely was the decay of a Russian Rocket booster, 06-063B, # 29679.
- Marco
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Dr Marco Langbroek
Dutch Meteor
was most likely
a meteor shower.
There have been no reports of debris hitting the ground or of any injuries.
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http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070104/NEWS01/70104004
Bright meteor a sight
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/journal_12_06.asp
Dawn Journal
Dr. Marc D. Rayman
December 28, 2006
Dear Dawnnewyears,
The Dawn spacecraft has made its new year's resolution: to leave Earth
behind in 2007 and embark upon its celestial voyage of adventure and
discovery. (Actually, it was
News the
event was most likely
a meteor shower.
There have been no reports of debris hitting the
ground or of any injuries.
-
http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070104/NEWS01/70104004
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2007/03jan_lunargeminids.htm
Lunar Geminids
NASA Science News
January 3, 2007
January 3, 2007: Another meteor shower, another bunch of lunar impacts...
On Dec. 14, 2006, we observed at least five Geminid meteors hitting the
Moon, reports Bill Cooke of NASA's
Dear Ron and List,
Thank you Ron and all of the posters on this fall.
This is a case where people had better have their
geiger counters along. As Ron and others may have
found out it may contain some radioactive material.
Best, Dirk Ross..Tokyo
Not likely you need a geiger counter. It is a
I just saw a longish story on the object on a local news story, including a
close-up of the object being rotated. In the short time of that close-up, it
sure looked like regmyglyphs on it to me. I'm trying to search down the video
on the net now.
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Hello List,
cool article but it's strange looking.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/04/fallen.object.ap/index.html
Pierre-Marie PELE
www.meteor-center.com
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On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:32:22 -0500, you wrote:
I just saw a longish story on the object on a local news story, including a
close-up of the object being rotated. In the short time of that close-up, it
sure looked like regmyglyphs on it to me. I'm trying to search down the video
on the net now.
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:48:11 -0500, you wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:32:22 -0500, you wrote:
I just saw a longish story on the object on a local news story, including a
close-up of the object being rotated. In the short time of that close-up, it
sure looked like regmyglyphs on it to me. I'm
I got this link to play in Firefox and was able to pause it in the reverse
view. There
are a few features that look like regs. Perhaps the other gouges and such were
created
during its crash thru the building. We'll have to wait and see.
Gary
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On 4 Jan 2007
Please email me if you are there.
michael Farmer
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http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070104/NEWS01/70104011
Rocket booster lights up early morning sky
The Coloradoan
January 4, 2007
It wasn't a meteor, it was rocket booster
A brilliant object that burned in the early morning sky was a Russian
booster rocket re-entering
Sure looks like a piece of pyrite. From the video I saw, crystal faces
are visible on one end.
Someone trying to get some publicity and money?
Probably.
Matt
Gary K. Foote wrote:
I got this link to play in Firefox and was able to pause it in the reverse
view. There
are a few features that
Mike,
I'm here... was out of town a bit for the holidays... Just got back in
yesterday. i have about 3000 emails to sort through and my answering machine
is flashing clean me out already darn it! instead of the ususal number of
messages it has stored...
I just figure i'd respond to the list
unfortunately for you farmer is not my same
material,
I have been pieces of EL6/7 and its brown color, not
white type thisa piece now its in analysis and
we
see
Matteo
this is incorrect. The scientists originally classifying 2965 and others
thought the 'blue' and 'brown'
Dear List,
The is some word filtering through the Japanese
network that the Colorado fall may or may NOT have
been rocket debris and there is still a chance that it
may be a meteorite. Sorry I cannot go into detail
because of the nature of the network.
So, if I were in Colorado I would pack
I think it's extremely unlikely that this was a natural object. The
location, velocity, and
time(http://www.cloudbait.com/science/fireball20070104.html) are
precisely as expected for the 29679 SL-4 rocket body. Also, if you've
seen the video caught by news helicopters, this really looks
it's pretty clearly indicated that the colorado event was not a
bolide and that the new jersey object is not a new meteorite.
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Dirk and list,
this very, very probably was a decaying rocket stage, as our knowledgeable list
member Dr Marco Langbroek wrote:
...Place, track and time closely coincide with the predicted re-entry of a
stage of the Soyuz rocket (06-063B, #29679) used to launch the French COROT
space
Darryl and List,
If you believe all of what you read or watch on TV
or what your government tells you, then you can state
what you have stated. Both events will be confirmed
within a day or so, so let`s wait for the facts to
hopefully come out. Indications are not facts, but
they may be proven
and...a meteor can be either human-made or natural, a common
misconception of most of the public. I have not read any definitions of
meteor that mention velocity, have you?
Matt
Alexander Seidel wrote:
Necessary correction to my post:
Of course meteors move pretty much faster than decaying
I respectfully can't agree with Mr. Pitt on the NJO (New Jersey Object).
We must all remember that new iron falls will NOT look like Sikhote
Alin, Canyon Diablo, or Campos. Those falls did not slow down to the
retardation point, they kept a significant fraction of their cosmic
velocity. They
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:30:22 -0700, you wrote:
Sure looks like a piece of pyrite. From the video I saw, crystal faces
are visible on one end.
Pyrite doesn't hold a magnet.
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On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 15:01:17 -0600, you wrote:
I propose we take a vote
Who votes the NJO is a meteorite?
Judging from what I could see in that short, low-resolution video, I vote yes.
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You are right with this, Matt, so I should have called it a meteoroid, which
is more precise and closest to what it can get
Alex
Berlin/Germany
and...a meteor can be either human-made or natural, a common
misconception of most of the public. I have not read any definitions of
meteor
No way
Darren Garrison wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 15:01:17 -0600, you wrote:
I propose we take a vote
Who votes the NJO is a meteorite?
Judging from what I could see in that short, low-resolution video, I vote
yes.
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Actually you are wrong...it is magnetic if you heat it.
Plus pyrrhotite (FeS-as well) is magnetic depending upon the amount of Fe.
Matt
Darren Garrison wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:30:22 -0700, you wrote:
Sure looks like a piece of pyrite. From the video I saw, crystal faces
are
Hello,
Stan mentioned a better photo of the transition between the brown and
blue components of NWA 2965 than that on my webpage. He sent me the
following excellent picture some time ago, I believe from NAU
originally, that best illustrates this transition:
Well, speaking for myself, I'm working from primary data that I
collected. And I don't work for the news or the government (hmmm... or
am I just saying that? g) I know the details of the meteor path rather
well. I can't guarantee that the NORAD elements for object 29679 are
accurate, of
In the USA, ownership of found or fallen meteorites was established long
ago by the Supreme Court. This was reestablished in the Syracuse fall
which hit the woman. What few know about was the lawsuit by the stuck
tenant to get ownership of the meteorite, it failed.
If it falls on private
Anyway, we aren't all dependent on trusting what the government or TV
tell us!
True, Chris, but with respect to the incident of a spectacular early morning
light show over Denver you can rely on the codes programmed by experts and data
on decaying satellites provided by NORAD. You can prove
Hello MT,
You noted, What few know about was the lawsuit by the stuck tenant to get
ownership of the meteorite, it failed.
Correct, after the meteorite fell, the Air Force took it. Mrs. Hodges only
got it back by threatening to sue and then the home owner sued Mr. and Mrs.
Hodges for the
It doesnt matter, because the only way that is a
meteorite is that it is a Nantan and the owner is
pulling a scam. Otherwise, this is not a meteorite.
Iron meteorites do not enter the atmosphere covered in
rust.
Mike Farmer
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In the USA, ownership of
Rob just asked me to forward this to the list, so here goes
Alex
Original-Nachricht
Datum: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:34:51 -0800
Von: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
An: \'Alexander Seidel \' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: My prior message...
Hi again,
As usual, when I'm on
Ah, I see you've never dealt with a rabid conspiracy theorist g. (BTW,
I'm not putting Dirk in that category because of his comment.) These
guys are fully capable of believing that not only could NORAD completely
fabricate any elements, but that all the amateur satellite watchers have
been
I was just browsing some videos of this mornings spectacular show over Denver
on Fox 31, and im actually a bit surprised at the lack of knowledge by the
majority of the general public, especially meteorologists, who oftentimes do
have some degree of astronomy/meteoric education. It seems the
Hello List,
I have a small slice of Gujba for sale. Only half a gram but nice surface
area and full of nice metal chondrules.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=017sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=270074279165rd=1rd=1
Cheers,
tett
Greetings all,
I know most of us are looking foreword to going to the Tucson
Show. However, some of us can't. Each year I get a number of absentee
bids - and this year's catalog is chock full of terrific specimens - 98 of
them to be exact and 90 of them are with NO MINIMUM. Yet, unlike
Pyrite, as in FeS2 is not ferromagnetic but diamagnetic. Upon heating
pyrite oxidizes and produces magnetic products (oxides). In contrast,
CoS2 with the pyrite structure is ferromagnetic. Anyway, pyrite is
rarely found in meteorites.
Hi List,
I fully agree with Marco Langbroek's comments. It was no meteor.
The article written by Laura Bailey (Jan 4 2007) for THE COLORADOAN,
mentions that onlookers reported that it could be seen for about 30 seconds.
That is too short a time for space debris, unless if it was seen at a low
I'm confused by your post. What do you mean by 'space debris'? If the time
was too
short for space debris and it was also not a meteoroid then what are you
suggesting?
Befuddled Gary
On 4 Jan 2007 at 23:21, Jose Campos wrote:
Hi List,
I fully agree with Marco Langbroek's comments. It
Hi List,
I just received a small vial of Martian Nakhlite from Jim Strope today. To the
naked eye
it is unassuming [only .010 grams], but in closeup it is much more impressive.
My
closeup is not the best and I will improve my setup tomorrow for a better shot,
but check
out the
Many people reported seeing the debris for over a minute. From my
cameras, I've got an average speed of about 8 km/s, at a nearly constant
height of 60 km. That's very consistent with space junk. I've updated my
ground path map at
http://www.cloudbait.com/science/fireball20070104.html to
If I wasn't under Mind Control, I'd be telling
everyone the Truth, that Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth with
missiles prior to stealing all our women to host their alien spawn.
Chris,
Now you have spilled the beans, we'll have to eliminate you
- Col. Langbroek
New World
Dear Listees;
The K2tv evening news in Casper, Wyoming reported a sherriff deputy went
out and witnessed a burned mark in the snow but no debris early this
morning after receiving a number of reportstheses are the same guys
that sent the posse up on Casper Mountain a few weeks ago chaising
What exactly, is a burned mark in the snow?
Snow does not burn, thus anything landing in the snow
would melt it. So how does snow show a burn mark
without debris being present?
Sounds retarded to me!
Mike Farmer
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The K2tv evening news
Thanks for that link Chris. VERY informative. I've added it to the meteorite-
dealers.com Space News page as I suspect your page on this event will last a
lot longer
than those in the news-sites - plus your accuracy of reporting if FAR above
that of the
news services.
Thank you very much,
Dear Chris and Marco. You have now come to the attention of the NSA and should
expect a
memory-erasing ray to hit your locations within seconds.
Zzzaappp!
Gary
On 5 Jan 2007 at 1:20, Marco Langbroek wrote:
If I wasn't under Mind Control, I'd be telling
everyone the Truth,
http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/5092086.html
Strange Sky Sightings In Kansas
Lindsay.Shively
WIBW Channel 13 News
January 4, 2007
And even people in Kansas saw sights in the sky. We received several
calls from viewers who say they saw the sky light up last night. 13's
Lindsay Shively has
Thank you all for your posts on the Colorado event.
It just played on CNNj a few seconds ago so world news
is catching the action also. Beautiful footage.
Now the chase is on. Best, Dirk
Dear Chris,
Thank you for the laughs! I appreciate your
observations and reporting the facts, along
This may have been mentioned already...
http://www.news24.com/News24/Technology/News/0,,2-13-1443_2050666,00.html
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For anyone who couldn't track one down
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.01/meteor.html
A couple outstanding photographs as well, that cover photo captures dream
come true
Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
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We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of
Bill - the following seems to show the truth of the event. If it was all that
loud and
screaming...
...Lephlale's fire service, police and disaster control centres seemed to
have slept
through the commotion.
Gary the Sceptic
On 4 Jan 2007 at 16:52, Bill wrote:
This may have been
Dear List,
Perhaps Mark Bostick`s Chatroom would be a good
place to move all of the discussion for interactive
discussion.
I will be there for a short time. Please enjoy.
Thank you Mark for providing your site.
http://www.meteoritearticles.com/chatroom.html
Dirk Ross...Tokyo
Here's a link you can include:
http://www.reentrynews.com/2006063b.html
Best wishes,
Rob
I made an image showing the position of the rocket stage at the moment of the
sightings in a bit more detail than at the above URL. It is visible here:
Hi Marco, Chris, list,
to be sincere I'd prefer ...
... that Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth with women prior to
stealing all our missiles to host their alien spawn.
Ready for print now.
Best, Matthias
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lol. i like this version much better : ) take care
susan
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Syracuse fall
which hit the woman [Spell check Ga not NY]
Jerry Flaherty
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Greetings List:
Yet again another treat on the way to work. I saw the entire break-up as I
turned out of my subdivision. JUST SPECTACULAR!!
I have now been lucky enough to see two re-entries. The other one was a few
years back just on the eastern horizon (I'm about 40 miles south east
Another link with video.
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_004193309.html
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Hello Members,
I finally managed to get some work done on my website.
My Catalog is up to date, with some new prices, some new pieces
(Shallowater!), and quite a few more pictures. I am still working on that, but
someday
every piece on the Catalog will have a picture.
And BIG
Hi, Chris, List, Zetans,
Not to be overly picky, but...
Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth
with missiles prior to stealing all our women
to host their alien spawn.
Shouldn't that be...?
Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth
with missiles AFTER stealing all our women
to
Hi, Mike,
So, with only 98 items, it will be a very short night, indeed ( most
of the previous auctions had about 140 items)
I'm a little curious why there would be about a 30 percent drop of
meteorites in your auction.
Any ideas for the decline?
Economics? Weather? Supply out of Africa
Hi, List,
Everybody loves a bright comet...
http://www.space.com/spacewatch/070104_comet_mcnaught.html
A newfound comet is about to loop around
the Sun and might offer skywatchers a rare
and fantastic view. But comets are unpredictable,
and this one has a wide range of possible
outcomes,
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