[meteorite-list] Mark Twain, a Eurochallenger, and Perihelia

2007-01-12 Thread MexicoDoug
Martin teased the R.O.W. about some obscure Jünger fellow and hove out a
who said (with clairvoyance) to cater to a more American style of
literature:

...came in with Halley's comet (1835)  go out with it (1910) ...

Jerry quipped: Mark Twain!

As my Favorite Martin wonders how Mark Twain (Was he from Florida or
Cairo?) honed his halleycious hillbilly humor...here's a quote from that
lovable Clemens' creation  Huck:

(From The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn: Huck relates his musings at night
with Jim, an, an escaped slave in the antebellum U.S. South, while they lay
on their backs pondering the origin of the myrid of stars visible (ROFL)
from their raft floating down the Mississippi):

Jim said the moon could'a laid them, well, that looked kind of reasonable,
so I didn't say nothing against it, because I've seen a frog lay most as
many, so of course, it could be done. We used to watch the stars that fell,
too, and see them streak down. Jim allowed they'd got spoiled and was hove
out of the nest.

OK, enough on Mark Twain, Here's an encore Who Said? for the European
contingent, as we comfortably sit back and watch the SOHO and STEREO images
rolling in for Comet McNaught, after we've suffered meeting the precision
timing viewing requirements in the northern hemisphere over recent days:

I will have two minutes on four different orbits to photograph Halley's
comet in both the visible and UV spectrum. The objective is get this data as
the comet approaches perihelion, which is just as it goes around behind the
sun and starts to head back out. It's a regime where we do not have any data
at the present time so I've also been told we will probably be the only
human beings to see it at that time.

Note: Halley's Comet last was at perihelion on February 9, 1986.  Pioneer
12, orbiting Venus at the time on the opposite side of the Sun, made some of
the UV observations which were interpreted to mean that the rate of water
loss of the 6-km diameter comet ramped up from about 10 tons to 40 tons per
second at perihelion and shortly thereafter as it was primed, reached as
high as 70 tons loss per second.  At that rate, Halley's comet will be
around for up to 50,000 years before it vanishes (hypothetically, of course
assuming a bit too much for comfort regarding composition and evaporation),
assuming no unforeseen changes in orbit.  This would mean an average at each
pass of 8 meters in diameter was hove out ...

Pioneer 12 ended its mission 6 1/2 years later in 1992 as a fireball perhaps
dropping Earth meteorites on Venus' surface - where meteorites don't last
very long at all:-( And just a few hours later, the Peekskill meteorite
from the asteroid belt was hove into the trunk of a red 1980 Chevy Malibu
belonging to a pretty 17 year old girl named Michelle.

Comet McNaught reaches perihelion ... later today, January 12.  Let the show
begin! (I believe we will all get another chace to view the comet during
daylight, though it practically out of sight for everyone now...

Best wishes,
Good health,
Doug



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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re-2: January Comet?

2007-01-12 Thread Matthias Bärmann
Ah, Martin, this was our American friends' chance while I was sleeping - and 
you, by the way, seem to be the only European awake at MEZ as well as 
American Standard Time ...

Well, the quiz to be continuated: which great French writer came in and went 
out with Halley?

Bonne chance ...


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Yah Matthias, that was to difficult for other countries.
Let's make it easiest, who is often quoted with:

I came in with Halley's comet in 1835. It's coming again next year, and I
expect to go out with it. The Almighty has said no doubt, 'Now here are
these two unaccountable freaks; they came in together, they must go out
together.'

Buckleboo!
Martin

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 Wow, Martin, meteoritefast!

 (And with out of contest  I meant of course Svend  B u h l ,  author of
 an extensive  brillant study dedicated to Ernst Jünger - sorry, Svend,
 somehow irritated by all the Buggleboos ... ;-)


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 Zwei Mal Halley, Jünger, Ernschtl

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 Quiz (Svend Bugl out of contest):

 A famous German author of 20th century was so lucky to see Halley twice,
 in
 full consciousness, and wrote a book about this experience.

 Who was it (don't google, have a look around in your private libraries :-)

 Matthias Baermann


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 Subject: [meteorite-list] Re-2: January Comet?


 Gary disappointedly comments:

 Clouds to the west the last two nights.  I got
 some good sunset pics, but no comet :( Gary

 Now, drum roll, ... my comment:

 Clouds here to the west, east, north and south the last two nights :-(
 Thomas Tuchan must have been extremely lucky ... his home town Ulm
 is only about 200 km from where I live. Sincere congrats, Thomas!

 Well, you can't have it all - I saw Halley, I saw Hale-Bopp, I saw
 Hyakutake, ... plus some telescopic comets, so I shouldn't complain!

 Cometary Cheers,

 Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2: January Comet?

2007-01-12 Thread Matthias Bärmann


Here I've got something which could be a good mantra for all of us who will
be lucky enough to see our January comet this evening.
Friedrich Hölderlin (1770-1843), a more than legitimate resident of
Parnassus, wrote - as I don't have an official English translation
here, please excuse my private try - the original is much better.

Möcht' ich ein Komet seyn? Ich glaube. Denn sie haben die Schnelligkeit der
Vögel; sie blühen an Feuer, und sind wie Kinder an Reinheit.

Do I want to be a comet? I believe so. Because they own the velocity of
birds; they're blossoming with fire and are like children in innocence.

(quoted from the poem 'In lieblicher Bläue'/'In lovely blueness'; by the 
way: great American painter Sam Francis once dedicated a real masterwork to 
this poem - a good example for the  r e a l  globalization ...)

Matthias Baermann





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wohl aber merkte ich, daß die Leute verändert waren, zu flüstern begannen,
wenn ich in die Nähe kam und mich mitleidig ansahen. Die bulgarischen
Mädchen flüsterten nicht, sie sagten es alles heraus und von ihnen erfuhr
ich, auf ihre derbe Art, daß das Ende der Welt gekommen sei. Es war der
allgemeine Glaube in der Stadt und er muß eine Weile vorgeherrscht haben, da
es sich mir, ohne daß ich mich selbst vor etwas Bestimmten fürchtete, so
tief einprägte. ...Eines Nachts hieß es, jetzt sei der Komet da und jetzt
werde er auf die Erde fallen. Ich wurde nicht schlafen geschickt, ich hörte
jemand sagen, das hätte jetzt keinen Sinn, die Kinder sollten auch in den
Garten kommen.

Wer?

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Quiz (Svend Bugl out of contest):

A famous German author of 20th century was so lucky to see Halley twice, in
full consciousness, and wrote a book about this experience.

Who was it (don't google, have a look around in your private libraries :-)

Matthias Baermann


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Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:31 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re-2: January Comet?


 Gary disappointedly comments:

 Clouds to the west the last two nights.  I got
 some good sunset pics, but no comet :( Gary

 Now, drum roll, ... my comment:

 Clouds here to the west, east, north and south the last two nights :-(
 Thomas Tuchan must have been extremely lucky ... his home town Ulm
 is only about 200 km from where I live. Sincere congrats, Thomas!

 Well, you can't have it all - I saw Halley, I saw Hale-Bopp, I saw
 Hyakutake, ... plus some telescopic comets, so I shouldn't complain!

 Cometary Cheers,

 Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lightning Balls Created In The Lab

2007-01-12 Thread mark ford


Easy!

Don't try this at home!

Get a charged car battery and some 'wire wool', spray the wire wool with a 
small amount if silicone oil.

drop some of the wool on the battery terminals, voila ball lightning, lasts for 
a second or so. You need to experiment on the amounts of wool to use.

As I said though don't try this it's dangerous, I know I did it when I was a 
kid!!!


Mark


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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lightning Balls Created In The Lab

Is this really new stuff? I watched Bolas Luminosas
and they looked almost identical to something I saw
years ago on some BBC documentary about lightning.
Some Scientist used a couple of hundred Decomissioned
submarine batteries to generate sparks and got the
same effect. I remember showing the video to kids I
taught 7-8 years ago.

Rob McC


--- Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 
 They look like the ideal pets for Dave Harris in the
 video
 
 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Im Auftrag von Ron
 Baalke
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Januar 2007 18:50
 An: Meteorite Mailing List
 Betreff: [meteorite-list] Lightning Balls Created In
 The Lab
 
 

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg19325863.500
 
 Lightning balls created in the lab
 Hazel Muir
 New Scientist
 10 January 2007
 
 Ball lightning could soon lose its status as a
 mystery, now that a team
 in Brazil has cooked up a simple recipe for making
 similar eerie orbs of
 light in the lab, even getting them to bounce around
 for several
 seconds. Watch a movie of the boucing balls here.
 http://www.espacociencia.pe.gov.br/multimidia.php
 
 Thousands of people have reported seeing ball
 lightning, a luminous
 sphere that sometimes appears during thunderstorms.
 It is typically the
 size of a grapefruit and lasts for a few seconds or
 minutes, sometimes
 hovering, even bouncing along the ground.
 
 One eyewitness saw a glowing ball burn through the
 screen door of a
 house in Oregon, navigate down to the basement and
 wreck an old mangle,
 while in another report, a similar orb bounced on a
 Russian teacher's
 head more than 20 times before vanishing.
 
 One theory suggests that ball lightning is a highly
 ionised blob of
 plasma held together by its own magnetic fields,
 while an exotic
 explanation claims the cause is mini black holes
 created in the big bang.
 
 A more down-to-earth theory, proposed by John
 Abrahamson and James
 Dinniss at the University of Canterbury in
 Christchurch, New Zealand, is
 that ball lightning forms when lightning strikes
 soil, turning any
 silica in the soil into pure silicon vapour. As the
 vapour cools, the
 silicon condenses into a floating aerosol bound into
 a ball by charges
 that gather on its surface, and it glows with the
 heat of silicon
 recombining with oxygen.
 
 To test this idea, a team led by Antonio Pavao and
 Gerson Paiva from the
 Federal University of Pernambuco in Brazil took
 wafers of silicon just
 350 micrometres thick, placed them between two
 electrodes and zapped
 them with currents of up to 140 amps. Then over a
 couple of seconds,
 they moved the electrodes slightly apart, creating
 an electrical arc
 that vaporised the silicon.
 
 The arc spat out glowing fragments of silicon but
 also, sometimes,
 luminous orbs the size of ping-pong balls that
 persisted for up to 8
 seconds. The luminous balls seem to be alive, says
 Pavao. He says
 their fuzzy surfaces emitted little jets that seemed
 to jerk them
 forward or sideways, as well as smoke trails that
 formed spiral shapes,
 suggesting the balls were spinning. From their
 blue-white or
 orange-white colour, Pavao's team estimates that
 they have a temperature
 of roughly 2000 kelvin. The balls were able to melt
 plastic, and one
 even burned a hole in Paiva's jeans.
 
 These are by far the longest-lived glowing balls
 ever made in the lab.
 Earlier experiments using microwaves created
 luminous balls
 but they disappeared milliseconds after the
 microwaves were switched off.
 
 The lifetimes of our fireballs are about a hundred
 or more times higher
 than that obtained by microwaves, says Pavao, whose
 findings will
 appear in Physical Review Letters. Abrahamson is
 thrilled. It made my
 year when I heard about it, he says. The balls,
 although still small,
 lasted long enough to come into the mainstream of
 observed natural ball
 lightning.
 
 Pavao's team is currently working out the chemical
 reactions involved in
 the balls' formation, and experimenting with other
 materials that might
 work too, including pure metals, alloys and sulphur
 compounds.
 
 From issue 2586 of New Scientist magazine, 10
 January 2007, page 12
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lightning Balls Created In The Lab

2007-01-12 Thread Ingo Herkstroeter
Hi List!

I remember that you can have a lot of fun with wire wool and a microwave
oven. Also a nice lightning ball! 
But don't forget to throw the microwave away later; it won't be useful
any more after that treatment. ;)  

Ingo

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ford
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Easy!

Don't try this at home!

Get a charged car battery and some 'wire wool', spray the wire wool with
a small amount if silicone oil.

drop some of the wool on the battery terminals, voila ball lightning,
lasts for a second or so. You need to experiment on the amounts of wool
to use.

As I said though don't try this it's dangerous, I know I did it when I
was a kid!!!


Mark


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob
McCafferty
Sent: 12 January 2007 02:05
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lightning Balls Created In The Lab

Is this really new stuff? I watched Bolas Luminosas
and they looked almost identical to something I saw
years ago on some BBC documentary about lightning.
Some Scientist used a couple of hundred Decomissioned
submarine batteries to generate sparks and got the
same effect. I remember showing the video to kids I
taught 7-8 years ago.

Rob McC


--- Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 
 They look like the ideal pets for Dave Harris in the
 video
 
 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Im Auftrag von Ron
 Baalke
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Januar 2007 18:50
 An: Meteorite Mailing List
 Betreff: [meteorite-list] Lightning Balls Created In
 The Lab
 
 

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg19325863.500
 
 Lightning balls created in the lab
 Hazel Muir
 New Scientist
 10 January 2007
 
 Ball lightning could soon lose its status as a
 mystery, now that a team
 in Brazil has cooked up a simple recipe for making
 similar eerie orbs of
 light in the lab, even getting them to bounce around
 for several
 seconds. Watch a movie of the boucing balls here.
 http://www.espacociencia.pe.gov.br/multimidia.php
 
 Thousands of people have reported seeing ball
 lightning, a luminous
 sphere that sometimes appears during thunderstorms.
 It is typically the
 size of a grapefruit and lasts for a few seconds or
 minutes, sometimes
 hovering, even bouncing along the ground.
 
 One eyewitness saw a glowing ball burn through the
 screen door of a
 house in Oregon, navigate down to the basement and
 wreck an old mangle,
 while in another report, a similar orb bounced on a
 Russian teacher's
 head more than 20 times before vanishing.
 
 One theory suggests that ball lightning is a highly
 ionised blob of
 plasma held together by its own magnetic fields,
 while an exotic
 explanation claims the cause is mini black holes
 created in the big bang.
 
 A more down-to-earth theory, proposed by John
 Abrahamson and James
 Dinniss at the University of Canterbury in
 Christchurch, New Zealand, is
 that ball lightning forms when lightning strikes
 soil, turning any
 silica in the soil into pure silicon vapour. As the
 vapour cools, the
 silicon condenses into a floating aerosol bound into
 a ball by charges
 that gather on its surface, and it glows with the
 heat of silicon
 recombining with oxygen.
 
 To test this idea, a team led by Antonio Pavao and
 Gerson Paiva from the
 Federal University of Pernambuco in Brazil took
 wafers of silicon just
 350 micrometres thick, placed them between two
 electrodes and zapped
 them with currents of up to 140 amps. Then over a
 couple of seconds,
 they moved the electrodes slightly apart, creating
 an electrical arc
 that vaporised the silicon.
 
 The arc spat out glowing fragments of silicon but
 also, sometimes,
 luminous orbs the size of ping-pong balls that
 persisted for up to 8
 seconds. The luminous balls seem to be alive, says
 Pavao. He says
 their fuzzy surfaces emitted little jets that seemed
 to jerk them
 forward or sideways, as well as smoke trails that
 formed spiral shapes,
 suggesting the balls were spinning. From their
 blue-white or
 orange-white colour, Pavao's team estimates that
 they have a temperature
 of roughly 2000 kelvin. The balls were able to melt
 plastic, and one
 even burned a hole in Paiva's jeans.
 
 These are by far the longest-lived glowing balls
 ever made in the lab.
 Earlier experiments using microwaves created
 luminous balls
 but they disappeared milliseconds after the
 microwaves were switched off.
 
 The lifetimes of our fireballs are about a hundred
 or more times higher
 than that obtained by microwaves, says Pavao, whose
 findings will
 appear in Physical Review Letters. Abrahamson is
 thrilled. It made my
 year when I heard about it, he says. The balls,
 although still small,
 

Re: [meteorite-list] January Comet?

2007-01-12 Thread Gary K. Foote
I have hopes for tonight - my last chance I believe.

Gary

On 11 Jan 2007 at 21:32, Gerald Flaherty wrote:

 Sorry for you Gary. I got a look at it last nite.
 Jerry Flaherty
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 Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:24 PM
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  Clouds to the west the last two nights.  I got some good sunset pics, but 
  no comet :(
 
  Gary
 
  On 11 Jan 2007 at 15:13, MexicoDoug wrote:
 
  Doug or anyone currently on line with position of the recent Comet, I'd
  appreciate a head's up to locate it OR is it that conspicuous in the SW
  twilight???
 
  For you Yanks near Plymouth and Boston, you can see it weather/pollution
  permitting from 16:50 until it sets at 17:22.  Use the Sunset as a
  reference.  That's today EST Jan 11.
 
  At Your area: 16:36 the Sun sets at a 241 degree bearing (azimuth) 
  clockwise
  from North (270 is due west, so it is SW like you said).  Good luck you 
  have
  just a few minutes to get out and bag it.  The rest of the USA will have
  similar positions relative to the point and timing of Sunset, though the
  further deep down in Dixie you go the harder and harder and more 
  compressed
  the timing is...
 
  Comet (Turn Right at Sunset):
  244.5 degrees at Sunset (just 3.5 degrees to the right of Sunset point - 
  a
  half 10x50 binocular field away).
  247 degrees at 15 minutes after Sunset (6 degrees right of Sunset point).
  249 degrees at 30 minutes after Sunset (8 degrees right of Sunset point).
 
  For Jerry comet altitude will be:
  After Sunset
  30 minutes: 2 degrees
  15 Min: 4.5 degrees
  0 min: 7 degrees
 
  Good Luck, go for it, I might let you know how it went for me later, but
  have had some sad heath issues lately to deal with (not my own).  The
  summary for my observing is Changes in Attitudes, Changes in Latitudes
  like the Jimmy Buffett song says.
 
  Best wishes for the Comet,
  Doug
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lightning Balls Created In The Lab

2007-01-12 Thread Darren Garrison
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:28:53 +0100, you wrote:

Hi List!

I remember that you can have a lot of fun with wire wool and a microwave
oven. Also a nice lightning ball! 
But don't forget to throw the microwave away later; it won't be useful
any more after that treatment. ;)  

I posted these links to the list, but they seemed to have never made it:


http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/cwillis/microwave.html

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~reginald/ball_l.html

http://apache.airnet.com.au/~fastinfo/microwave/ball.html

http://amasci.com/weird/microwave/voltage2.html
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[meteorite-list] Now Accepting Article Submissions

2007-01-12 Thread Gary K. Foote
Hi List,

In our effort to make educational articles on meteorics available to the public 
we are 
now accepting articles for publication on our website.  If you have written, or 
would 
like to write an article for publication just go to our website and click on 
the Submit a 
Meteorite Related Article link at the top of the page.  Fill in the form, paste 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2: January Comet?

2007-01-12 Thread Gerald Flaherty
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Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:55 AM
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Here I've got something which could be a good mantra for all of us who will
be lucky enough to see our January comet this evening.
Friedrich Hölderlin (1770-1843), a more than legitimate resident of
Parnassus, wrote - as I don't have an official English translation
here, please excuse my private try - the original is much better.

Möcht' ich ein Komet seyn? Ich glaube. Denn sie haben die Schnelligkeit der
Vögel; sie blühen an Feuer, und sind wie Kinder an Reinheit.

Do I want to be a comet? I believe so. Because they own the velocity of
birds; they're blossoming with fire and are like children in innocence.

(quoted from the poem 'In lieblicher Bläue'/'In lovely blueness'; by the
way: great American painter Sam Francis once dedicated a real masterwork to
this poem - a good example for the  r e a l  globalization ...)

Matthias Baermann

I unequivocally concur and relish the long solitude of aphelion for the 
brief vulnerability of fame at perihelion.





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[meteorite-list] The Great Comet of 2007: Watch it on the Web

2007-01-12 Thread Ron Baalke

http://space.com/spacewatch/070112_ns_comet_mcnaught.html

The Great Comet of 2007: Watch it on the Web
By Joe Rao 
space.com
12 January 2007

Comet McNaught, the brightest comet to appear in our skies in more 
than 30 years, has been putting on a spectacular show in the eastern 
sky at dawn and the western sky at dusk this week.

And this weekend it might become even more brilliant. 

Ironically, the comet has also been a source of frustration for many
skywatchers, because of its very low altitude.  More often than not, the
comet has been hidden either by clouds near the horizon, or nearby trees
or buildings.  For this reason, even some veteran observers have been
stymied in their efforts to catch a glimpse of it [images
http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagegallery/igviewer.php?imgid=4539gid=325index=0].

But Comet McNaught is now also visible to armchair astronomers via
images posted to the Internet
http://www.space.com/spacewatch/soho_lasco_c3_live.html from the Solar
and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) spacecraft.  And beginning next
week, it will head rapidly south and likely become a spectacle for
skywatchers in the Southern Hemisphere.

Summer find

The comet was discovered by astronomer Robert H. McNaught Aug. 7 at
Siding Spring Observatory, near Coonabarabran, New South Wales, Australia. 

McNaught discovered this comet when it was a few degrees east of the
head of Scorpius, on CCD images obtained with the observatory's
Uppsala Schmidt telescope.  The images had been obtained as part of the
Siding Spring Survey, whose mission is to contribute to the inventory of 
potentially hazardous asteroids (PHAs) and comets (PHOs) that may pose a 
threat of impact and thus harm to civilization. 

McNaught described the comet - the 31st to bear his name - as magnitude
17.3 - or about 25,000 times dimmer than the faintest object that human
eyes can perceive without any optical aid.

When Brian Marsden at the Smithsonian Observatory in Cambridge,
Massachusetts first calculated the orbit of Comet McNaught (now
catalogued as C/2006 P1) on Aug. 8, it was based on only a handful of
observations.  As a result, this first computation suggested that the
comet would come closest to the Sun (called perihelion) in June 2007, 
and then not get much closer than about 145 million miles (233 million 
kilometers), or about the distance of the planet Mars. 

As more observations of the comet arrived, however, Marsden refined its
orbit, and on Aug. 11, he announced that it was likely to pass well 
within the Earth's orbit - a distance of just 15.9 million miles (25.6 
million kilometers) - today. That's well within the orbit of Mercury.
This would make the comet much brighter than most, but as a caveat, also 
potentially hide it in the Sun's glare.

Mcnaught blossoms

From August into early November the comet steadily increased in
brightness, but not enough to prevent it becoming lost in the evening
twilight by mid-November.

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[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: January 8-12, 2007

2007-01-12 Thread Ron Baalke

MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
January 8-12, 2007

o Acheron Fossae (Released 08 January 2007)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070108a

o Auqakuh Vallis (Released 09 January 2007)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070109a

o Landslides (Released 10 January 2007)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070110a

o Slope Streaks (Released 11 January 2007)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070111a

o Landslide (Released 12 January 2007)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070112a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 


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[meteorite-list] Moon Has Iron Core, Lunar-Rock Study Says

2007-01-12 Thread Ron Baalke

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/01/070111-moon-core.html

Moon Has Iron Core, Lunar-Rock Study Says
Brian Handwerk
National Geographic News 
January 11, 2007

Deep down, the moon may be more like Earth than scientists ever thought.

A new moon-rock study suggests the satellite has an iron core. The
findings add weight to the theory that the moon formed from debris
thrown off when a Mars-size object collided with a young Earth (related:
Moon Derives From Earth, Space Object, Study Says
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/08/0811_030811_earthmoon.html
[August 8, 2003]).

This is the most positive evidence so far that the moon contains a
core, said Larry Taylor, director of the Planetary Geosciences
Institute at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville.

It's looking more like a planet every day.

The moon's core could be a clue to its ancient origins, which have long
puzzled astronomers.

Our moon is too big to be a moon, Taylor said. It's huge compared to
the moons we see around other planets, so it has always been suspected
that there was something strange in its origin.

The Big Whack

The leading moon-creation theory among astronomers is known as the
giant impact or big whack theory.

An object about the size of Mars?half the size of Earth?slammed into our
planet very early in its formation, the theory says.

This impactor hit, and everything was thrown every which way, Taylor
said. Material was shattered, melted, vaporized, and thrown out into
orbit. Some of that material condensed and aggregated into the moon.

It's believed that some of the impactor's remains became part of the
moon, as did large parts of early Earth's mantle (the layer between core
and crust), which were hurled spaceward.

Rock samples from NASA's Apollo 15 and Apollo 17 moon missions of the
early 1970s have now shed more light on the moon's origins, according to
Taylor and colleagues' study, to be published in the tomorrow's issue of
the journal Science. 

The group studied a type of lunar rock called mare basalt, which is
believed to have been created deep in the moon's mantle and have
retained signatures of that region. Mare basalt hails from vast, dark,
flat areas of the moon's surface called mares. It is dense, dark gray,
and likely formed from cooled magma.

Sinking Feeling

The moon rocks suggest that the lunar mantle is very low in elements
that bond easily with iron, such as gold and platinum - like Earth's
mantle, but with even lower levels of those elements.

What happens during the formation of any terrestrial planet is that it
undergoes a melting state early in its formation, Taylor said. In that
state you get the separation of metallic iron into a core.

When cores formed on Earth and other terrestrial planets these
iron-loving elements were largely scavenged from the silicate mantle and
transferred down into the metallic core, which would explain the
relative lack of these elements in both Earth's mantle and the moon's.

We must have had a core form [in the moon] to have [iron bonding]
elements at the [low] levels we see now, Taylor said. That's the same
thing that happened on Earth, Mars, Venus, and Mercury - the terrestrial
planets.

Though he doesn't discount this idea, Richard Walker, a geologist at the
University of Maryland in College Park, sees a second option.

It could be that the [amount] of these elements in the silicate portion
of the impactor and the proto-Earth were quite low at the time of
impact, so that when the moon formed, it simply did not contain a high
abundance of the elements in question, said Walker, who was not
involved in the study.

Earth's iron core can be identified through the measurements of
sensitive seismographs scattered all over the planet.

During earthquakes these vibration monitors can help determine the
content of the Earth's layers, based on how the movement of those layers
effects waves passing through the planet.

Seismic equipment on the moon is not sufficient to recover such
information, though moonquakes commonly occur.

In the case of the moon, we've never been able to find distinct
evidence for [a core], Taylor said, although we've always had our
suspicions.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Riker Boxes

2007-01-12 Thread Michael L Blood
A friend asked me for advise on where to get riker boxes.
Someone on the list advised:

http://www.kingsleynorth.com/skshop/search_results2.php?catID=203

But I am pretty sure someone else had a source that was
considerably cheaper. Anyone know?
RSVP
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Re: [meteorite-list] Riker Boxes

2007-01-12 Thread MARK BOSTICK
Michael asked A friend asked me for advise on where to get riker boxes.

You might try the Jensen's.http://jensenmeteorites.com/

They sell Riker-like cases and not the namebrand I think.

Mark



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Re: [meteorite-list] Riker Boxes

2007-01-12 Thread Gary K. Foote
I did not compare prices with your link, but they are for sale here also;

http://www.naturepreserved.com/riker.htm

Gary
http://www.meteorite-dealers.com

On 12 Jan 2007 at 10:04, Michael L Blood wrote:

 A friend asked me for advise on where to get riker boxes.
 Someone on the list advised:
 
 http://www.kingsleynorth.com/skshop/search_results2.php?catID=203
 
 But I am pretty sure someone else had a source that was
 considerably cheaper. Anyone know?
 RSVP
 Thanks, Michael
 
 
 
 
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[meteorite-list] inclusions, brecciations, lithologies

2007-01-12 Thread Stephan Kambach
Hello Members of the list

As I didn't want to build up a webside, so three days ago I decided to open
up a photoalbum for meteorites. The intention was actually to show some
inclusions, lithologies, brecciations , I think you might not have seen
before. Thats the beginning:  for ex. the ALSP1 Allende , a single
translucent red relict chromium-spinel crystal, the biggest ever found in a
meteorite; a 8 mm sized chondrule in a CR2,  - a giant chondrule in a full
slice of Maralinga.- it's bigger as the literature describe; three
lithologies in one slice of a lunaite, a main mass of a diogenite (Dho 778)
with a fantastic brecciation; a bundle of aquamarine-blue hibonites in NWA
1465 and in the same a dark inclusion with an total other O-Isotopie as the
host;  a huge troilite in Ensisheim.
There is a small description to the albums,  because of less space due the
provider.
I added also further exemplares of my collection, but still yet not much
described.

It could be possible that you can not see the small picture from where you
can click/open up to the size of  20x30 and also further more to a orginal
size,
because of a firewall that blocking popups or banners. Securtiy perhaps have
to be reduced temporary.

Hope you like it,  regards from Germany,   Stephan Kambach

the link:

http://freenetfoto.de/album/stephan.kambach/



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Re: [meteorite-list] A new french meteorite discovered !

2007-01-12 Thread Michel FRANCO
Congrats men.

A good start for the new year!

Best

Michel FRANCO

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Objet : [meteorite-list] A new french meteorite discovered !


Me and Alain Carion are proud to announce the
existence of a new french meteorite.

The meteorite of Saint-Ouen-en-Champagne fell
September 29, 1799 near Le Mans (west of France). A
farmer saw a stone falling in front of him while he
was collecting grain. The stone was certainly broken
apart. It weighed about 4.6 kilograms but most of it
was forever lost. Alain Carion found a 12 grams
fragment in the J. Chadel collection he bought in
november 2006 and another piece of 40 grams was kept
in the Musee Vert of Le Mans where we met the curator
last week. Only two rare articles spoke of this fall
(in 1841 and 1881) ; that's the reason why its
existence was confidential.

It's an ordinary chondrite and it's still under
classification at the MNHN, Paris.

Alain Carion will show you its 12 grams fragment of
the Saint-Ouen-en-Champagne meteorite in Tucson (Inn
Suite, room 123) during the Show.

Pierre-Marie PELE
www.meteor-center.com






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[meteorite-list] Astronomy Podcasts

2007-01-12 Thread Pete Pete
Hi, all,

There are some interesting astronomy podcasts here at Universe Today:

http://feeds.feedburner.com/universetoday/podcast

There is one about meteor showers here:

http://www.universetoday.com/category/podcasts/page/2/

If you have an MP3 player to load them in to for later listening, right 
click and save target as into your computer files.


It isn't a bad site to sign up for astronomy news, too.

http://www.universetoday.com/


Cheers,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomy Podcasts

2007-01-12 Thread Gary K. Foote
Excellent links Pete.  I use Universetoday.com all the time.

Gary
http://www.meteorite-dealers.com

On 12 Jan 2007 at 15:41, Pete Pete wrote:

 Hi, all,
 
 There are some interesting astronomy podcasts here at Universe Today:
 
 http://feeds.feedburner.com/universetoday/podcast
 
 There is one about meteor showers here:
 
 http://www.universetoday.com/category/podcasts/page/2/
 
 If you have an MP3 player to load them in to for later listening, right 
 click and save target as into your computer files.
 
 
 It isn't a bad site to sign up for astronomy news, too.
 
 http://www.universetoday.com/
 
 
 Cheers,
 Pete
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] More on Riker Boxes

2007-01-12 Thread Michael L Blood
Thanks to Gary and the several others that provided links
for web sites that sell rikers.
does anyone know where the best dealer is in the Tucson
Show for rikers? I know prices vary a good deal.
Thanks, Michael

on 1/12/07 10:59 AM, Gary K. Foote at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I did not compare prices with your link, but they are for sale here also;
 
 http://www.naturepreserved.com/riker.htm
 
 Gary
 http://www.meteorite-dealers.com
 
 On 12 Jan 2007 at 10:04, Michael L Blood wrote:
 
 A friend asked me for advise on where to get riker boxes.
 Someone on the list advised:
 
 http://www.kingsleynorth.com/skshop/search_results2.php?catID=203
 
 But I am pretty sure someone else had a source that was
 considerably cheaper. Anyone know?
 RSVP
 Thanks, Michael
 
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] More on Riker Boxes

2007-01-12 Thread MARK BOSTICK

Does anyone know where the best dealer is in the Tucson
Show for rikers? I know prices vary a good deal.
 Thanks, Michael

Hello again Michael and list,

There is a large supplier that always sets up at the Riverpark Inn (formerly 
Pueblo Inn).  They sell Riker-like cases, gem cases, plastic stands and the 
like.

There is a pool side photograph here that shows the lounge and the like the 
in background.  The supplier sets up under the green topped section of the 
building, which is somewhat a corner of the pool area, which is full of food 
vendors during the show time. They have been there the last few years and 
usually cheaper then wholesale prices on the 'net, and without shipping.

http://www.theriverparkinn.com/index.asp

I see on the Meteorite Exchange Tucson page that Erich should be there, he 
always is.  Also the Saharan Overlords and Paul Liu are usually at this 
location.

Clear Skies,
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Re: [meteorite-list] More on Riker Boxes

2007-01-12 Thread MARK BOSTICK
RE: pool photograph

I wrote, The supplier sets up under the green topped section of the
building, which is somewhat a corner of the pool area..

http://www.theriverparkinn.com/index.asp

Looking again I think that the photograph might be taken from the north west 
corner of the pool, rather the south west, as I first thought. The supplier 
would then be further down to the right in the photograph.  They are in the 
north east corner of the pool area.

Mark


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[meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending in one day

2007-01-12 Thread Fred Caillou Noir
Hello!
Well, once again our selection of meteorites offered on ebay will start ending 
in about 24 hours.
A 368g OC still at less than $10, some beautiful other OCs at low prices, nice 
slices of various classified meteorites from the Sahara including a great IMB 
(El Arouss), a fresh H4 (Sahara 03501), some partslices of a beautiful CV3 
(Sahara 02503) and more!
Do not hesitate, good deals can be made at 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ50QQsassZkayunwar.
Best wishes to All,

Frederic
Kayunwar
(Michel Franco is IMCA member #3869 and Frederic Beroud is IMCA member #2491)
http://www.caillou-noir.com/
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Re: [meteorite-list] inclusions, brecciations, lithologies

2007-01-12 Thread Dr. Svend Buhl
These are brilliant photographies, among the best macros I have seen. 
Excellent work Stefan!

I may recommend to include a scale and to give the weight of the specimens 
pictured.

Would love to see more.

Best regards

Svend

www.niger-meteorite-recon.de


- Original Message - 
From: Stephan Kambach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Meteoritenliste meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] inclusions, brecciations, lithologies


 Hello Members of the list

 As I didn't want to build up a webside, so three days ago I decided to 
 open
 up a photoalbum for meteorites. The intention was actually to show some
 inclusions, lithologies, brecciations , I think you might not have seen
 before. Thats the beginning:  for ex. the ALSP1 Allende , a single
 translucent red relict chromium-spinel crystal, the biggest ever found in 
 a
 meteorite; a 8 mm sized chondrule in a CR2,  - a giant chondrule in a full
 slice of Maralinga.- it's bigger as the literature describe; three
 lithologies in one slice of a lunaite, a main mass of a diogenite (Dho 
 778)
 with a fantastic brecciation; a bundle of aquamarine-blue hibonites in NWA
 1465 and in the same a dark inclusion with an total other O-Isotopie as 
 the
 host;  a huge troilite in Ensisheim.
 There is a small description to the albums,  because of less space due the
 provider.
 I added also further exemplares of my collection, but still yet not much
 described.

 It could be possible that you can not see the small picture from where you
 can click/open up to the size of  20x30 and also further more to a orginal
 size,
 because of a firewall that blocking popups or banners. Securtiy perhaps 
 have
 to be reduced temporary.

 Hope you like it,  regards from Germany,   Stephan Kambach

 the link:

 http://freenetfoto.de/album/stephan.kambach/



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Re: [meteorite-list] to Dr. Svend Buhl / inclusions, brecciations, lithologies

2007-01-12 Thread Stephan Kambach
Dear Svend

It's true, using a scale would give a better understanding for an object if
somone see it first time only by a picture. Of course I did see my
meteorites in reality and so my brain have the possibility to compare. If
there are chondrules you might have a rough idea about the complete size of
a slice. The weights for all my meteorites you can see below the page where
you enter in with the small pictures. Hope it helps. Next time, then,  if
the pictures wouldn't be made only for my private use I will over a scale.


Thanks for you compliment, by time there will follow more photographs,
regards  Stephan


p.s.  there is a pdf existing for the NWA 1465; you will find a scale for
the dark inclusion

www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1560.pdf

on David Weir side you will find a picture from my Gujba with a scale;
picture was made by Eric Twelker





Am 12 Jan 2007 um 22:56 hat Dr. Svend Buhl geschrieben:

 These are brilliant photographies, among the best macros I have seen.
 Excellent work Stefan!

 I may recommend to include a scale and to give the weight of the specimens
 pictured.

 Would love to see more.

 Best regards

 Svend

 www.niger-meteorite-recon.de


 - Original Message -
 From: Stephan Kambach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Meteoritenliste meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:00 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] inclusions, brecciations, lithologies


  Hello Members of the list
 
  As I didn't want to build up a webside, so three days ago I decided to
  open
  up a photoalbum for meteorites. The intention was actually to show some
  inclusions, lithologies, brecciations , I think you might not have seen
  before. Thats the beginning:  for ex. the ALSP1 Allende , a single
  translucent red relict chromium-spinel crystal, the biggest ever found
in
  a
  meteorite; a 8 mm sized chondrule in a CR2,  - a giant chondrule in a
full
  slice of Maralinga.- it's bigger as the literature describe; three
  lithologies in one slice of a lunaite, a main mass of a diogenite (Dho
  778)
  with a fantastic brecciation; a bundle of aquamarine-blue hibonites in
NWA
  1465 and in the same a dark inclusion with an total other O-Isotopie as
  the
  host;  a huge troilite in Ensisheim.
  There is a small description to the albums,  because of less space due
the
  provider.
  I added also further exemplares of my collection, but still yet not much
  described.
 
  It could be possible that you can not see the small picture from where
you
  can click/open up to the size of  20x30 and also further more to a
orginal
  size,
  because of a firewall that blocking popups or banners. Securtiy perhaps
  have
  to be reduced temporary.
 
  Hope you like it,  regards from Germany,   Stephan Kambach
 
  the link:
 
  http://freenetfoto.de/album/stephan.kambach/
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mark Twain, a Eurochallenger, and Perihelia

2007-01-12 Thread Martin Altmann
No idea, I've never read BrinBenford.

Huh! My Doug, listen!

She that would gain a faithful lover
 Must at a distance keep the slave;
 Not by a look her heart discover,
 Men should but guess the thoughts we have.
 Whilst they're in doubt their flame increases,
 And all attendance they will pay;
 When once confess'd their ardour ceases,
 And vows like smoke soon fly away.

 Then, fond Aurelia, cease complaining,
 All thy reproaches useless prove;
 Beauties may conquer whilst disdaining,
 But lose their value when they love.
 So when a comet does appear,
 Men do with trembling view the blaze;
 The sun too common none does fear,
 Nor on his beams with wonder gaze.


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Betreff: [meteorite-list] Mark Twain, a Eurochallenger, and Perihelia

Martin teased the R.O.W. about some obscure Jünger fellow and hove out a
who said (with clairvoyance) to cater to a more American style of
literature:

...came in with Halley's comet (1835)  go out with it (1910) ...

Jerry quipped: Mark Twain!

As my Favorite Martin wonders how Mark Twain (Was he from Florida or
Cairo?) honed his halleycious hillbilly humor...here's a quote from that
lovable Clemens' creation  Huck:

(From The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn: Huck relates his musings at night
with Jim, an, an escaped slave in the antebellum U.S. South, while they lay
on their backs pondering the origin of the myrid of stars visible (ROFL)
from their raft floating down the Mississippi):

Jim said the moon could'a laid them, well, that looked kind of reasonable,
so I didn't say nothing against it, because I've seen a frog lay most as
many, so of course, it could be done. We used to watch the stars that fell,
too, and see them streak down. Jim allowed they'd got spoiled and was hove
out of the nest.

OK, enough on Mark Twain, Here's an encore Who Said? for the European
contingent, as we comfortably sit back and watch the SOHO and STEREO images
rolling in for Comet McNaught, after we've suffered meeting the precision
timing viewing requirements in the northern hemisphere over recent days:

I will have two minutes on four different orbits to photograph Halley's
comet in both the visible and UV spectrum. The objective is get this data as
the comet approaches perihelion, which is just as it goes around behind the
sun and starts to head back out. It's a regime where we do not have any data
at the present time so I've also been told we will probably be the only
human beings to see it at that time.

Note: Halley's Comet last was at perihelion on February 9, 1986.  Pioneer
12, orbiting Venus at the time on the opposite side of the Sun, made some of
the UV observations which were interpreted to mean that the rate of water
loss of the 6-km diameter comet ramped up from about 10 tons to 40 tons per
second at perihelion and shortly thereafter as it was primed, reached as
high as 70 tons loss per second.  At that rate, Halley's comet will be
around for up to 50,000 years before it vanishes (hypothetically, of course
assuming a bit too much for comfort regarding composition and evaporation),
assuming no unforeseen changes in orbit.  This would mean an average at each
pass of 8 meters in diameter was hove out ...

Pioneer 12 ended its mission 6 1/2 years later in 1992 as a fireball perhaps
dropping Earth meteorites on Venus' surface - where meteorites don't last
very long at all:-( And just a few hours later, the Peekskill meteorite
from the asteroid belt was hove into the trunk of a red 1980 Chevy Malibu
belonging to a pretty 17 year old girl named Michelle.

Comet McNaught reaches perihelion ... later today, January 12.  Let the show
begin! (I believe we will all get another chace to view the comet during
daylight, though it practically out of sight for everyone now...

Best wishes,
Good health,
Doug



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Re: [meteorite-list] Comet McNaught imaged by STEREO

2007-01-12 Thread Moni Waiblinger-Seabridge
Hi All,

AWESOME!
Its a cool comet, according to my granddaughter!
The whole family watched it!
Can even clearly see the 'tail'.
Even educated the neighbors!

Thanks!

With best regards,
Moni

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Comet McNaught imaged by STEREO
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:29:41 -0800

Hi All,

Hot off the presses:

http://secchi.nrl.navy.mil/images/hi1b_comet.jpg

This image was taken by STEREO less than 3 hours ago.
All I can say is WOW  --Rob

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[meteorite-list] Centimeter Cubes?

2007-01-12 Thread Gary K. Foote
I am looking for a supplier of centimeter cubes.  Anyone have a link to the 
traditional 
sort?

Thanks 

Gary
http://www.meteorite-dealers.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] Centimeter Cubes?

2007-01-12 Thread Impactika
In a message dated 1/12/2007 6:31:15 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am looking for a supplier of centimeter  cubes.  Anyone have a link to the 
traditional 
sort?

Thanks  

Gary
http://www.meteorite-dealers.com



I  still have a few available. How many do you need?
I don't know if Svend Buhl has any left.

Anne M.  Black
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Re: [meteorite-list] Centimeter Cubes?

2007-01-12 Thread Gary K. Foote
Hi Anne,

I only need one myself, but I'd like to also find a link to someone who sells 
them 
regularly to add to my website.  Let me know how much and I'll paypal you...

Gary
http://www.meteorite-dealers.com

On 12 Jan 2007 at 20:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 1/12/2007 6:31:15 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I am looking for a supplier of centimeter  cubes.  Anyone have a link to the 
 traditional 
 sort?
 
 Thanks  
 
 Gary
 http://www.meteorite-dealers.com
 
 
 
 I  still have a few available. How many do you need?
 I don't know if Svend Buhl has any left.
 
 Anne M.  Black
 www.IMPACTIKA.com
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[meteorite-list] Meteor strikes might kill people this weekend

2007-01-12 Thread ken newton

Hmmm? Would you hire this consulting firm ?

http://www.dba-oracle.com/news_meteor_strikes_may_hit_people.htm

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[meteorite-list] Fw: Irons DON'T form Fusion Crust's - yes they DO

2007-01-12 Thread Matthias Bärmann

Hi Jerry,
 

your remark is as charming as Georg Christoph Lichtenberg's aphorism: 

 

If a text and a head strike together and it sounds hollow - it's not 
necessarily the text. 

 

Matthias Baermann 





  - Original Message - 
  From: Gerald Flaherty 
  To: Matthias Bärmann 
  Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Irons DON'T form Fusion Crust's - yes they DO


  Don't allow your epistomology to piss you off.
  Jerry Flaherty
- Original Message - 
From: Matthias Bärmann 
To: Thaddeus Besedin ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Irons DON'T form Fusion Crust's - yes they DO


Hello Thaddeus  list,



I agree absolutely, my oppositional use of phenomenoligical and 
scientific was meant in a more daily-life-sense and not in a philosophical 
manner.



It's clear that the above mentioned opposition is included in phenomenology 
itself. It's the merit of Merleau-Ponty that he postulated, against his 
forfathers Heidegger and Husserl, a field, a relationship, oscillating 
between body and mind, empirism and intellectualism, with the Leib (in German 
translation, unfortunately there's no equivalent in English) as a mediator 
between body and mind.



The problem, and the main aspect of criticism of phenomenology is the fact, 
that Husserl as well as Heidegger as well as Merleau-Ponty underlined the 
necessity of experience - Husserl: tending towards die Sachen selbst (things 
themselves) - , but failed in establishing a real pragmatic dimension. The 
abyss between experience and science remained unbridged - even in the case 
Merleau-Ponty, who went as far as western philosophy/science allowed him to go, 
and who clearly fixed the problem, emphasizing the importance of the enbodiment 
of human experience, but remained with his concept of phenomenology in a 
theoritical dimension: it is, following the path of western philosophy with 
it's Greek origins, still philosophy as theoretical reflection.



There's a very interesting reception and evolution of phenomenology in 
contemporary cognitivism. In this context I'd like only to mention Francisco 
Varela  and his co-authors Evan Thompson and Eleanor Rosch) and his/their 
concept of an embodied mind (as embodied action) as a manifestation (or a 
kind of synthesis) of cognitive science and human experience. 



Having reached this point I want to stop here. My starting point was to 
criticize the completely different use of glassy in science and human 
experience. The complete transformation on the atomic level of the orginal 
matter at the surface of a meteorite via heat makes the scientist to qualify 
the new status of matter as glass. But glass, as we all know from common 
experience (which is closely connected to the empirical aspects of etymology), 
mainly evocates shining as well as being transparent - qualities which 
don't describe, regarding experience, the appearance of a frish fallen and 
crusted meteorite at all, whether stone nor iron. But, as we know as well: such 
a problematic use of language isn't the reason of, it's only symptomatic for 
the main problem: the fissure between experience and intellect. 



Regards,



Matthias





 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Thaddeus Besedin 
  To: Matthias Bärmann 
  Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Irons DON'T form Fusion Crust's - yes they 
DO


  Is there really any way of determining distinctions between 
phenomenologicality and scientific knowledge, the ding an sich (noumenon)? We 
are really speaking here of an epistemology of replicable phenomena. What is 
seen by all is seen by one. Power inverts this relationship. The paradigmatic 
phenomenologist Husserl (zu den sachen selbst) was a positivistic empirical 
verificationist with a Platonic heart; perhaps, as with the dialectical effect 
of the conflict of Berkeley/Kant/Hume on their philosophical progeny, any 
absolutely empirical criterion is in its end itself both a denial of analytic a 
priori knowledge of a world - a denial of a world - and an affirmation of its 
necessary presence - and the presence of such a conceivable possibility as 
'presence.'  To think of thought as it may have been preceding the acquisition 
of extrinsic, codified communication - the invasion of signs - is impossible, 
although this must have been the case: a catalytic reference, an initial logos, 
possession by one's genome, by one's neurotransmitters. Husserl's 
eidetic-geometric-intuitive presupposition articulating his ontology violated 
at least one certain limit of certainty, of verification: infinite regress as 
one continues to find the bottom of one's being. Meaning is constructed and 
emerges and we become possessors of things and not the pressure, pitch, 

Re: [meteorite-list] Comet

2007-01-12 Thread Laurence Garvie
The comet was easy to see even with the naked eye here in Phoenix,  
central Arizona. At 6 pm local time I looked towards the setting sun  
and there it was. Looked great with a small pair of binoculars.




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Re: [meteorite-list] Sonic Boom Felt in Florida?

2007-01-12 Thread mckinney trammell
the resulting boom over the jupiter area was from some planes based out of key 
west nas.

MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  There have been several sonic booms in 
Florida reported by the press the 
last 2-3 years. I am starting to the lean towards the possibility of a 
military experiment.

Mark


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[meteorite-list] Aziz NWA sale

2007-01-12 Thread meteorites whole sale
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Re: [meteorite-list] Irons DON'T form Fusion Crust's - yes they DO

2007-01-12 Thread Gerald Flaherty
It's the origin for the term PHENOM!
Check out Hegel, Heidegger and Hume[the 3 H's of philisophy]
Jerry Flaherty
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dave Freeman mjwy 
  To: Matthias Bärmann 
  Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Irons DON'T form Fusion Crust's - yes they DO


phenomenologicalIt this really a word?  Sounds like a George Bush word.
  DF


  Matthias Bärmann wrote:

I agree. But using an expression (also a scientific one) in a
phenomenological manner we should take care to avoid a contradiction (or
even tensions) between the phenomenological and the scientific dimension.

- Original Message - 
From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Irons DON'T form Fusion Crust's - yes they
DO


On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 20:17:25 +0100, you wrote:

  But it doesn't hit the point regarding meteorites. Glassy evokes the
impression of something shiny, very smooth, mirror-like. But as we all now

But the laymen use of the term isn't the scientific one.  Glassy means
something that cooled quickly enough that it didn't have time to crystalize
and
is instead, on the atomic level, an amorphous mess.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Riker Boxes

2007-01-12 Thread Mike Jensen

Hi Michael  Mark
Yes we sell them.
http://jensenmeteorites.com/supplies.htm
Inventory is a little low right now but should have some new ones in today.
You are correct that they are not the Riker brand. Main difference is there
is no Riker label on the back and the cotton batting is slightly lighter.
They also don't make the smallest one which I believe is 2 1/2 X 3 1/2.

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16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
303-337-4361
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com

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Michael asked A friend asked me for advise on where to get riker boxes.

You might try the Jensen's.http://jensenmeteorites.com/

They sell Riker-like cases and not the namebrand I think.

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[meteorite-list] Fwd: Re: Lightning Balls Created In The Lab

2007-01-12 Thread Don Murray
Try putting a CD in the microwave. It doesn't create a fire ball but it is 
pretty neat. And it doesn't hurt the microwave

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I remember that you can have a lot of fun with wire wool and a microwave
oven. Also a nice lightning ball! 
But don't forget to throw the microwave away later; it won't be useful
any more after that treatment. ;)  

Ingo

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Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von mark
ford
Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Januar 2007 12:47
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Lightning Balls Created In The Lab



Easy!

Don't try this at home!

Get a charged car battery and some 'wire wool', spray the wire wool with
a small amount if silicone oil.

drop some of the wool on the battery terminals, voila ball lightning,
lasts for a second or so. You need to experiment on the amounts of wool
to use.

As I said though don't try this it's dangerous, I know I did it when I
was a kid!!!


Mark


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Sent: 12 January 2007 02:05
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lightning Balls Created In The Lab

Is this really new stuff? I watched Bolas Luminosas
and they looked almost identical to something I saw
years ago on some BBC documentary about lightning.
Some Scientist used a couple of hundred Decomissioned
submarine batteries to generate sparks and got the
same effect. I remember showing the video to kids I
taught 7-8 years ago.

Rob McC


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 They look like the ideal pets for Dave Harris in the
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 Betreff: [meteorite-list] Lightning Balls Created In
 The Lab
 
 

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg19325863.500
 
 Lightning balls created in the lab
 Hazel Muir
 New Scientist
 10 January 2007
 
 Ball lightning could soon lose its status as a
 mystery, now that a team
 in Brazil has cooked up a simple recipe for making
 similar eerie orbs of
 light in the lab, even getting them to bounce around
 for several
 seconds. Watch a movie of the boucing balls here.
 http://www.espacociencia.pe.gov.br/multimidia.php
 
 Thousands of people have reported seeing ball
 lightning, a luminous
 sphere that sometimes appears during thunderstorms.
 It is typically the
 size of a grapefruit and lasts for a few seconds or
 minutes, sometimes
 hovering, even bouncing along the ground.
 
 One eyewitness saw a glowing ball burn through the
 screen door of a
 house in Oregon, navigate down to the basement and
 wreck an old mangle,
 while in another report, a similar orb bounced on a
 Russian teacher's
 head more than 20 times before vanishing.
 
 One theory suggests that ball lightning is a highly
 ionised blob of
 plasma held together by its own magnetic fields,
 while an exotic
 explanation claims the cause is mini black holes
 created in the big bang.
 
 A more down-to-earth theory, proposed by John
 Abrahamson and James
 Dinniss at the University of Canterbury in
 Christchurch, New Zealand, is
 that ball lightning forms when lightning strikes
 soil, turning any
 silica in the soil into pure silicon vapour. As the
 vapour cools, the
 silicon condenses into a floating aerosol bound into
 a ball by charges
 that gather on its surface, and it glows with the
 heat of silicon
 recombining with oxygen.
 
 To test this idea, a team led by Antonio Pavao and
 Gerson Paiva from the
 Federal University of Pernambuco in Brazil took
 wafers of silicon just
 350 micrometres thick, placed them between two
 electrodes and zapped
 them with currents of up to 140 amps. Then over a
 couple of seconds,
 they moved the electrodes slightly apart, creating
 an electrical arc
 that vaporised the silicon.
 
 The arc spat out glowing fragments of silicon but
 also, sometimes,
 luminous orbs the size of ping-pong balls that
 persisted for up to 8
 seconds. The luminous balls seem to be alive, says
 Pavao. He says
 their fuzzy surfaces emitted little jets that seemed
 to jerk them
 forward or sideways, as well as smoke trails that
 formed spiral shapes,
 suggesting the balls were spinning. From their
 blue-white or
 orange-white colour, Pavao's team estimates that
 they have a temperature
 of roughly 2000 kelvin. The balls were able to melt
 plastic, and one
 even burned a hole in Paiva's jeans.
 
 These are by far the longest-lived glowing balls
 ever made in the lab.
 Earlier experiments using microwaves created
 luminous balls
 but they disappeared milliseconds 

Re: [meteorite-list] Missing Tucson this year

2007-01-12 Thread Gerald Flaherty
Super tip. Thanks a lot.
Jerry Flaherty
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  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Missing Tucson this year



  For anyone there's lots of towns like Benson 30mins away the rooms should be 
around $50. 

  Kim 
From: Adam Hupe 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 12:38 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Missing Tucson this year


Dear List Members,



If anybody cares, I will NOT be attending the Tucson show this year. 
Although it used to be the number one show on my list, it no longer holds 
this title for me for several reasons, mainly the lack of decent 
accommodations.



It seems for the last several years, some cheesy motel/hotel rips us off. 
We 
book online at $140.00 plus a night for what was advertised as a two-star 
facility just to find out it when we get there that it is some crack-user 
infested shack that should be condemned. Two years ago, the Econo Lodge 
tried to rip us off for nearly a $1,000.00 by charging my credit card even 
though we refused to stay in this falsely advertised hell hole.  They 
tacked 
on an extra night before we even arrived in Tucson to make the theft 
complete. I used to stay by the airport but the hotels have now raised 
their 
prices to $250.00 a night.  I could stay in a five-star hotel in the 
Caribbean for half this amount, come on, we are talking about Tucson here! 
The only other show I have been to where the hotels jack up their prices 
this much is Las Vegas and I refuse to pay $250.00 a night for a $50.00 a 
night room just because I am attending a convention.



I was going to come down this year with my RV but decided it was not worth 
the risk going through the passes which are buried in snow and ice.  This 
time of year, the coastal route is far too windy and time consuming to 
hardly make it worth the effort.  At 53' front to back, the winds would 
cause havoc with my setup as anybody with any road time with a rig will 
tell 
you.  I will wait until late winter when I can spend months in the field 
searching California before putting any of my equipment in jeopardy.



I added up my receipts from last year's Tucson show and decided it would be 
cheaper to attend the show in Germany, something I have yet to try and look 
forward to.



For those who will be attending the show, have a great time and stay away 
from the Econo Lodge!  I will forward some money to my brother, Greg who 
will be to pay off the margaritas and beers I owe on the Moss meteorite 
lost 
wagers.



All the Best,



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Re: [meteorite-list] Irons DON'T form Fusion Crust's - yes they DO

2007-01-12 Thread Gerald Flaherty
And soul!
Jerry Flaherty
  - Original Message - 
  From: Matthias Bärmann 
  To: Thaddeus Besedin ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 6:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Irons DON'T form Fusion Crust's - yes they DO


  Hello Thaddeus  list,



  I agree absolutely, my oppositional use of phenomenoligical and 
scientific was meant in a more daily-life-sense and not in a philosophical 
manner.



  It's clear that the above mentioned opposition is included in phenomenology 
itself. It's the merit of Merleau-Ponty that he postulated, against his 
forfathers Heidegger and Husserl, a field, a relationship, oscillating 
between body and mind, empirism and intellectualism, with the Leib (in German 
translation, unfortunately there's no equivalent in English) as a mediator 
between body and mind.



  The problem, and the main aspect of criticism of phenomenology is the fact, 
that Husserl as well as Heidegger as well as Merleau-Ponty underlined the 
necessity of experience - Husserl: tending towards die Sachen selbst (things 
themselves) - , but failed in establishing a real pragmatic dimension. The 
abyss between experience and science remained unbridged - even in the case 
Merleau-Ponty, who went as far as western philosophy/science allowed him to go, 
and who clearly fixed the problem, emphasizing the importance of the enbodiment 
of human experience, but remained with his concept of phenomenology in a 
theoritical dimension: it is, following the path of western philosophy with 
it's Greek origins, still philosophy as theoretical reflection.



  There's a very interesting reception and evolution of phenomenology in 
contemporary cognitivism. In this context I'd like only to mention Francisco 
Varela  and his co-authors Evan Thompson and Eleanor Rosch) and his/their 
concept of an embodied mind (as embodied action) as a manifestation (or a 
kind of synthesis) of cognitive science and human experience. 



  Having reached this point I want to stop here. My starting point was to 
criticize the completely different use of glassy in science and human 
experience. The complete transformation on the atomic level of the orginal 
matter at the surface of a meteorite via heat makes the scientist to qualify 
the new status of matter as glass. But glass, as we all know from common 
experience (which is closely connected to the empirical aspects of etymology), 
mainly evocates shining as well as being transparent - qualities which 
don't describe, regarding experience, the appearance of a frish fallen and 
crusted meteorite at all, whether stone nor iron. But, as we know as well: such 
a problematic use of language isn't the reason of, it's only symptomatic for 
the main problem: the fissure between experience and intellect. 



  Regards,



  Matthias





   

- Original Message - 
From: Thaddeus Besedin 
To: Matthias Bärmann 
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Irons DON'T form Fusion Crust's - yes they DO


Is there really any way of determining distinctions between 
phenomenologicality and scientific knowledge, the ding an sich (noumenon)? We 
are really speaking here of an epistemology of replicable phenomena. What is 
seen by all is seen by one. Power inverts this relationship. The paradigmatic 
phenomenologist Husserl (zu den sachen selbst) was a positivistic empirical 
verificationist with a Platonic heart; perhaps, as with the dialectical effect 
of the conflict of Berkeley/Kant/Hume on their philosophical progeny, any 
absolutely empirical criterion is in its end itself both a denial of analytic a 
priori knowledge of a world - a denial of a world - and an affirmation of its 
necessary presence - and the presence of such a conceivable possibility as 
'presence.'  To think of thought as it may have been preceding the acquisition 
of extrinsic, codified communication - the invasion of signs - is impossible, 
although this must have been the case: a catalytic reference, an initial logos, 
possession by one's genome, by one's neurotransmitters. Husserl's 
eidetic-geometric-intuitive presupposition articulating his ontology violated 
at least one certain limit of certainty, of verification: infinite regress as 
one continues to find the bottom of one's being. Meaning is constructed and 
emerges and we become possessors of things and not the pressure, pitch, scent, 
and nutrition of mothers in their progressively predictable places within 
cyclical constellations of cooccurring events. Memory. Diachronic distances are 
tantamount to spatial proximities, and we only approach a transcendent 
synthesis of raw event and cooked history, processed by we intermediaries 
called consciousnesses. We anticipate only potential - and have a sentence 
ready. This is how we fulfill our prophesies.
 Merleau-Ponty would have placed a non-phenomenalistic body 

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 38, Issue 52

2007-01-12 Thread Tim Stout

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 New NASA Orbiter Sees Details of 1997 Pathfinder Site
 January 11, 2007

 The high-resolution camera on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has
 imaged the 1997 landing site of NASA's Mars Pathfinder, revealing new
 details of hardware on the surface and the geology of the region.

 The new image from the orbiter's High Resolution Imaging Science
 Experiment is available on the Internet at

 http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MRO/multimedia/pia09105.html

 and at links from

 http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu .

 The Pathfinder mission's small rover, Sojourner, appears to have moved
 closer to the stationary lander after the final data transmission from
 the lander, based on tentative identification of the rover in the image.
 Pathfinder landed on July 4, 1997, and transmitted data for 12 weeks.
 Unlike the two larger rovers, Spirit and Opportunity, currently active
 on Mars, Sojourner could communicate only with the lander, not directly
 with Earth.

 The lander's ramps, science deck and portions of the airbags can be
 discerned in the new image. The parachute and backshell used in the
 spacecraft's descent lie to the south, behind a hill from the viewpoint
 of the lander. Four bright features may be portions of the heat shield.

 Rob Manning, Mars program chief engineer at NASA's Jet Propulsion
 Laboratory, Pasadena, said, The new image provides information about
 Pathfinder's landing and should help confirm our reconstruction of the
 descent as well as give us insights into the landing and the airbag
 bounces.

 Dr. Alfred McEwen of the University of Arizona, Tucson, principal
 investigator for the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment, said
 Pathfinder's landing site is one of the most-studied places on Mars.
 Making connections between this new orbital image and the geological
 information collected at ground level aids our interpretation of orbital
 images of other places.

 For more information on Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, visit:

 http://www.nasa.gov/mro .

 Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is managed by JPL for NASA's Science Mission
 Directorate, Washington. JPL is a division of the California Institute
 of Technology in Pasadena. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, is the
 prime contractor for the project and built the spacecraft. The High
 Resolution Imaging Science Experiment is operated by the University of
 Arizona, and the instrument was built by Ball Aerospace and Technology
 Corp., Boulder, Colo.

 

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 Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726
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[meteorite-list] nwa 2965/EL6/7 trade incentive (AD)

2007-01-12 Thread steve arnold
Hi list.I updated my new website
CHICAGOMETEORITES.NET.,and I put up 3 pics of of nwa
2965 up.Lot#1 is 209.4 grams,Lot#2 is 218 grams,and
Lot#3 is 226 grams.Again this is for trade
material.But as an added incentive to trade,I will
also put $40 cash to any who trade for these pieces.My
way of saying thanks.

Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite micrographs added to Gallery

2007-01-12 Thread STARSANDSCOPES
Hi everyone,  This is Tom Phillips.   It was negative numbers outside here in 
Idaho so I stayed in and worked on the  microscope.

There are 12 new additions to my micrograph Gallery hosted by  Meteorite 
Times including 126 new images.  This batch was all thin sections  in cross 
polarized  light.

http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/

The meteorites  were Acfer 336, Dhofar 007, Dhofar 1275, Franconia, Gold 
Basin, Holbrook, NWA  2090 and 2794, SaU 067 and an unclassified.

There is a NEW after the name  of new additions.  

Please check out the unclassified.  I was  perfecting some new (at least to 
me) techniques to view thin sections at high  magnification in both incident 
and (somewhat) transmitted cross polarized  light.  The images are at a 
magnification of 1600X.

Jim Strope is  loaning me the NWA 482 Lunar thin section of his so I am just 
warming up for a  new GREAT thin to examine.  

Let me know what you think.   Thanks,  Tom  

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[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - January 13, 2007

2007-01-12 Thread SPACEROCKSINC
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Re: [meteorite-list] nwa 2965/EL6/7 trade incentive (AD)

2007-01-12 Thread Dave Carothers
How would it be if I pay you $40 to cease and desist posting multiple ads 
each week and comply with the one ad per week rule.  If you take me up on 
the offer and fail to keep to the one ad per week, you pay me $40.

Dave


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Subject: [meteorite-list] nwa 2965/EL6/7 trade incentive (AD)


 Hi list.I updated my new website
 CHICAGOMETEORITES.NET.,and I put up 3 pics of of nwa
 2965 up.Lot#1 is 209.4 grams,Lot#2 is 218 grams,and
 Lot#3 is 226 grams.Again this is for trade
 material.But as an added incentive to trade,I will
 also put $40 cash to any who trade for these pieces.My
 way of saying thanks.

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  www.chicagometeorites.net
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite micrographs added to Gallery

2007-01-12 Thread Gary K. Foote
Absolutely stunning!  If ever you decide to seek a second home for your thin 
sections let 
me know!

Gary
http://www.meteorite-dealers.com

On 12 Jan 2007 at 23:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi everyone,  This is Tom Phillips.   It was negative numbers outside here in 
 Idaho so I stayed in and worked on the  microscope.
 
 There are 12 new additions to my micrograph Gallery hosted by  Meteorite 
 Times including 126 new images.  This batch was all thin sections  in cross 
 polarized  light.
 
 http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/
 
 The meteorites  were Acfer 336, Dhofar 007, Dhofar 1275, Franconia, Gold 
 Basin, Holbrook, NWA  2090 and 2794, SaU 067 and an unclassified.
 
 There is a NEW after the name  of new additions.  
 
 Please check out the unclassified.  I was  perfecting some new (at least to 
 me) techniques to view thin sections at high  magnification in both incident 
 and (somewhat) transmitted cross polarized  light.  The images are at a 
 magnification of 1600X.
 
 Jim Strope is  loaning me the NWA 482 Lunar thin section of his so I am just 
 warming up for a  new GREAT thin to examine.  
 
 Let me know what you think.   Thanks,  Tom  
 
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[meteorite-list] AD - Harriman

2007-01-12 Thread Impactika
Hello Members,

Did you notice the Picture of the  Day?
_http://www.spacerocksinc.com/January_13.html_ 
(http://www.spacerocksinc.com/January_13.html)

Mike was kind enough to accept to post it for me.
This full slice of  Harriman (of) does not belong to me, it belongs to the 
Monnig Collection  but Dr Art Ehlmann asked me if I could find a buyer for it 
relatively quickly,  because he needs to raise some funds for the Tucson Show. 
I 
am sure you can  sympathize. Dr Ehlmann is such a kind, helpful person that I 
promised to do all  I can to help, then I enlisted Mike's help!
 
So here it is. It is a full slice, 1019 grams, it was prepared by Marlin  
Cilz, and it is gorgeous. 
Please do contact me if you are interested.
Thank you very much.

Anne M.  Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
President, I.M.C.A.  Inc.
www.IMCA.cc
 
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[meteorite-list] AD: NWA SALE

2007-01-12 Thread dean bessey
After so many months its nice to have lots of nice
meteorites again. My webpage is starting to look
respectable again with around 200 NWAs listed for
sale.
New NWAs for sale are on these links:
http://www.meteoriteshop.com/metsale/msale3.html
and 
http://www.meteoriteshop.com/metsale/msale4.html
20% discount to list members for anything of interest
on my website. 
Paypal preferred for payment
I havent had a chance to list much on ebay yet but see
my ebay user id AMUNRE for a hundred or so more anyway
including a couple dozen started at 99 cents a couple
days ago. But I should have lots of new meteorites
listed on ebay again over the next few days and many
will be in my ebay store so check back often.
Sincerely
DEAN BESSEY
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[meteorite-list] AD - Tucson Auction-update

2007-01-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Dear List Members,



If you are going to be in Tucson  stop by and visit us at the Westward Look
Resort.  We will be in building 23 - room 
243.   245 East Ina Road. Tucson, Arizona.  We will be open from February
1, 2007 through February 6, 2007, 10:00 
a.m. to 6 p.m. everyday.Our 4th  Annual Westward Look  Langheinrich
Meteorite Auction will be on February 3 rd, 
2 p.m. Absentee bids are welcome.

We added 14 more exceptional meteorite specimens to the auction making the
total of 76 lots.  You are welcome to 
view the online auction catalog.


Online catalog with photos: 
http://www.nyrockman.com/tucson-auction-2007.htm

Auction rules:  http://www.nyrockman.com/auction-2007/rules.htm

Show details:  http://www.nyrockman.com/tucson-2007.htm


Note:  absentee bids are welcome
There is NO buyer's premium — what you bid is what you pay!


Please stop by the Westward Look to say hello, enjoy the beautiful hotel
grounds, visit our extensive meteorite 
display and enjoy a complimentary refreshment.


Sincerely,

Iris  Allan Lang
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www.langsfossils.com


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