[meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day - February 19, 2007
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Re: [meteorite-list] 2-18-07 Update on Walter Branch
Good Morning All, this is excellent news! We will continue to pray for him and his recovery! I am sure your loving family is a wonderful help to him and him wanting to get well very soon. With best regards, Moni From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] 2-18-07 Update on Walter Branch Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:09:40 -0500 Good News! Walter is still on the ventilator but breathing more on his own. He still has an infection but seems to be responding to the antibiotics. He is receiving nourishment through his NG tube and his stomach is tolerating it. Please continue to keep him in your prayers. Sabrina Branch _ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and moreĀ .then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1FORM=MGAC01 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay
Hi Edwin and all, Port Orford. I don't know if you have read any of my posts related to the Port Orford Meteorite. While I admit that it could be a hoax, I have quite a few problems with the research on the Port Orford and don't agree with much of what was said. Believe me when I say I am very well read up on all of the research and still disagree. My efforts to discuss these points with the researches were dismissed very lightly. Some of the items that don't make sense to me is the fact they used a copy of John Evan's map of his exploration of Oregon. It could be an accurate copy or it could have been a deliberate misrepresented copy as there was a lack of funds to pay for the publication of Evan's work. The copy was not in Evan's handwriting but looks to be in the handwriting of his wife. I firmly believe that the researcher was on the wrong mountain based on some descriptions used before his work and other published records. There seems to be an effort bent on making John Evans a mismanager of his funds but it fails to account for the fact that the Oregon gold rush was on then and that the cost of things were much higher than had been estimated. There is another character that comes into play who may have substituted the Imilac for the real Port Orford pieces if there truly were any. I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory but it has cost the government lots of money for answering letters, phone calls for people wanting to hunt for the meteorite and there has been countless rescues of people who don't take the rugged terrain seriously. Since my sister and brother in law live in this state I have spent many months in Oregon and have hunted myself. I could go on but it would be better for interested parties to look up my posts as well as that of a college who has investigate this extensively and brings out the points that don't seem to match up. I addressed this extensively on the Meteorite Impact forum when it was in existence. All my best! --AL Mitterling Edwin Thompson wrote: I would like for this to be Oregon's next find. Sadly, it looks like another hoax much like the Port Orford meteorite which turned out to be a transported piece of Imilac brought here to generate a bit of excitement and ended up created what is now considered to be the most sought after (and as yet unfound) meteorite in recorded history. For those of you that don't know the story, it is said to pe a pallasite the size of a prairie schooner! Cheers, Edwin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] SIKHOTE-ALIN
Congratulations Michael! Your newest Sikhote-Alin is a stunning specimen. Best, John Gwilliam At 01:08 PM 2/18/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list members, After posting several photos of list members sikhote-alin specimens I wanted to share this with all of you. http://spacerocksinc.com/SA10400.html Sincerely, Michael Johnson SPACE ROCKS, INC. http://www.spacerocksinc.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day - February 19, 2007
Gotta love it! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 5:27 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day - February 19, 2007 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/February_19.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mesosiderite Redux
I want to thank all who offered input on my mystery specimen and whether or not it could be a mesosiderite. Some said the pic was too blurry to really see, so I took a good clear closeup. Here it is; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/mesosiderite2.jpg Exterior shot isn't as clear but shows the general texture of the specimen; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/mesosiderite4.jpg Don't mean to hammer this question to death but I am still interested in input with these clearer shots. For example, are the greyish blobs chondrules or not? Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mesosiderite Redux
Hi, My thoughts are that, that is NWA 074, (an H6 chondrite) I have seen a largish slice of that before and it is nearly identical! Very large amounts of uniform metallic iron just like that, and not many if any distinct chondrules (at least visually). Best, Mark Ford -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary K. Foote Sent: 19 February 2007 15:42 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Mesosiderite Redux I want to thank all who offered input on my mystery specimen and whether or not it could be a mesosiderite. Some said the pic was too blurry to really see, so I took a good clear closeup. Here it is; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/mesosiderite2.jpg Exterior shot isn't as clear but shows the general texture of the specimen; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/mesosiderite4.jpg Don't mean to hammer this question to death but I am still interested in input with these clearer shots. For example, are the greyish blobs chondrules or not? Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay
Hi Al and Edwin, etc. I have in my posession an article by Doug Borgard about Port Orford. The article will be in the May or August issue of Meteorite magazine. Larry On Mon, February 19, 2007 7:50 am, AL Mitterling wrote: Hi Edwin and all, Port Orford. I don't know if you have read any of my posts related to the Port Orford Meteorite. While I admit that it could be a hoax, I have quite a few problems with the research on the Port Orford and don't agree with much of what was said. Believe me when I say I am very well read up on all of the research and still disagree. My efforts to discuss these points with the researches were dismissed very lightly. Some of the items that don't make sense to me is the fact they used a copy of John Evan's map of his exploration of Oregon. It could be an accurate copy or it could have been a deliberate misrepresented copy as there was a lack of funds to pay for the publication of Evan's work. The copy was not in Evan's handwriting but looks to be in the handwriting of his wife. I firmly believe that the researcher was on the wrong mountain based on some descriptions used before his work and other published records. There seems to be an effort bent on making John Evans a mismanager of his funds but it fails to account for the fact that the Oregon gold rush was on then and that the cost of things were much higher than had been estimated. There is another character that comes into play who may have substituted the Imilac for the real Port Orford pieces if there truly were any. I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory but it has cost the government lots of money for answering letters, phone calls for people wanting to hunt for the meteorite and there has been countless rescues of people who don't take the rugged terrain seriously. Since my sister and brother in law live in this state I have spent many months in Oregon and have hunted myself. I could go on but it would be better for interested parties to look up my posts as well as that of a college who has investigate this extensively and brings out the points that don't seem to match up. I addressed this extensively on the Meteorite Impact forum when it was in existence. All my best! --AL Mitterling Edwin Thompson wrote: I would like for this to be Oregon's next find. Sadly, it looks like another hoax much like the Port Orford meteorite which turned out to be a transported piece of Imilac brought here to generate a bit of excitement and ended up created what is now considered to be the most sought after (and as yet unfound) meteorite in recorded history. For those of you that don't know the story, it is said to pe a pallasite the size of a prairie schooner! Cheers, Edwin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Ebay auctions ending tonight, New Zealand/ IRAQI METEORITES
Michael Farmer wrote: Hello overyone, I am done with the Tucson show and finally getting some eBay auctions going. Tonight several extremely rare meteorite falls end on ebay. The first is Alta'ameem from Iraq, an LL5 fall. Needless to say, falls from Iraq are about as rare as they come. http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ170081696046 The second is Mokoia, a CV3.2 Bali-type fall from New Zealand. Ever seen this one available? http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ170081692850 The third is Mayo Belwa, the famous and nearly impossible to get Aubrite fall. http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ170081699524 Those of you who collect falls and hard to get meteorites, these are for you. See all of the meteorites offered at the links below. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoritehunters http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteorite-hunter http://www.meteoritehunter.com thanks Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mesosiderite Redux
Thanks for the specific reference Mark. I've looked at some pics of nwa 074 and concur with you. They do look like the same material. Gary On 19 Feb 2007 at 16:02, mark ford wrote: Hi, My thoughts are that, that is NWA 074, (an H6 chondrite) I have seen a largish slice of that before and it is nearly identical! Very large amounts of uniform metallic iron just like that, and not many if any distinct chondrules (at least visually). Best, Mark Ford -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary K. Foote Sent: 19 February 2007 15:42 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Mesosiderite Redux I want to thank all who offered input on my mystery specimen and whether or not it could be a mesosiderite. Some said the pic was too blurry to really see, so I took a good clear closeup. Here it is; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/mesosiderite2.jpg Exterior shot isn't as clear but shows the general texture of the specimen; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/mesosiderite4.jpg Don't mean to hammer this question to death but I am still interested in input with these clearer shots. For example, are the greyish blobs chondrules or not? Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mesosiderite Redux
Yep, it is certainly as close as it gets, from a photo at least, I was pretty amazed by NWA 074 first time I saw it, actually, its quite stunning for 'just an H6'. I think the key giveaway is in the uniformity of the Iron, in a MESO I would have expected a bit more 'clumpyness' to the Iron, the slice you showed has a nice uniform interspersion of metal just like in an H. There also appears to be slight chrondule like features in the matrix, and from what I remember of NWA 074 the matrix is a generally a light brown colour (due to the higher iron), which actually hides the light brown chondrules that are there quite well! Just my thoughts mind you, worth getting it checked out if you are unsure. Best Mark Ford -Original Message- From: Gary K. Foote [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 February 2007 16:51 To: mark ford; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Mesosiderite Redux Thanks for the specific reference Mark. I've looked at some pics of nwa 074 and concur with you. They do look like the same material. Gary On 19 Feb 2007 at 16:02, mark ford wrote: Hi, My thoughts are that, that is NWA 074, (an H6 chondrite) I have seen a largish slice of that before and it is nearly identical! Very large amounts of uniform metallic iron just like that, and not many if any distinct chondrules (at least visually). Best, Mark Ford -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary K. Foote Sent: 19 February 2007 15:42 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Mesosiderite Redux I want to thank all who offered input on my mystery specimen and whether or not it could be a mesosiderite. Some said the pic was too blurry to really see, so I took a good clear closeup. Here it is; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/mesosiderite2.jpg Exterior shot isn't as clear but shows the general texture of the specimen; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/mesosiderite4.jpg Don't mean to hammer this question to death but I am still interested in input with these clearer shots. For example, are the greyish blobs chondrules or not? Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fukang preparation extraneous material
I've recenly bought a 14 gram Fukang on ebay. While it wasn't apparrent in the photos, when I received it I noticed on one edge of the slice a yellow crystal fragment seemed floating separated a few mm by a clear matrix . I suspect that this was material used to stablitize this pallasite in preparation, although it looks more like glass than epoxy. Could this posibly be melt, or were most of these slices being prepared using some hardener to aid cutting. Howard Wu _ Refi Now: Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-17727moid=7581 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fukang preparation extraneous material
Howard: I have seen this in a few pallasites recently and it is can be unsightly. It is a resin that is used to keep the thin slices from falling apart. Also, I had some Seymchan recently cut (by a very well-known person) and noticed he used some lacquer to hold together the crusted surface of the piece where the olivine would come off. I thought it was pretty ugly and removed the lacquer. Would rather have a missing crystal than a blob of lacquer! Yuck. Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites doctor death wrote: I've recenly bought a 14 gram Fukang on ebay. While it wasn't apparrent in the photos, when I received it I noticed on one edge of the slice a yellow crystal fragment seemed floating separated a few mm by a clear matrix . I suspect that this was material used to stablitize this pallasite in preparation, although it looks more like glass than epoxy. Could this posibly be melt, or were most of these slices being prepared using some hardener to aid cutting. Howard Wu _ Refi Now: Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-17727moid=7581 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- === Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA http://www.mhmeteorites.com ebay id: mhmeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Olmec hematite
Hi all - You often see annecdotal mentions of meteorites being recovered in Mayan burials, but I am not sure if these specimens have been properly identified. Consider the following Olmec (Zoque) images, in particular the third one down: http://www.mesoweb.com/lords/origins.html Here a small bit of hematite is used for a mirror. The question is was this hematite used to emulate a meteorite in the model, or was the model's hematite just a smaller piece of the usual hematite used? Besides being used for mirrors, hematite can be used for red ink, and mayan scribes are often depicted having a small ink conch marked with the mirror (hematite) sign stuck in their headbands. Conversely, its possible these particular peoples thought of iron meteorites in terms of celestial hematite. good hunting, Ed It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fukang preparation extraneous material
Hello Howard, Matt, and List, I thought it was pretty ugly and removed the lacquer Another unpleasant side effect is there are hundreds of air bubbles when I look at my Fukang slice under the microscope. There are so many bubbles that it isn't much use taking pictures under the scope - bubbles is all you see :-( Cheers and let's keep our fingers crossed for Walter and Iris !!! Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dwarf Planet 'Becoming A Comet' (2003 EL61)
Hi Sterling - For a history of the effects in North, Central, and South America of Earth's recent encounter with Comet Encke, see my book Man and Impact in the Americas. The current thinking is that SW3 will sublimate into dust, but I am not very sure about that. In the worst case, it appears to be no big hazard, with say only 5kt-15kt blasts in 2022, and Earth is a big planet. good hunting, Ed --- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, This speculation that 2003 EL61 could become an inner system Giant Comet is a very, very strange one. I find it extremely puzzling. But, if 2003 EL61 did, it would just be the capper on this strangest of all strange worlds in the solar system! I posted some information about EL61 last year if you're looking for more: http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg48060.html Its dimensions are 1960 km one way, 1518 km the other, and 996 km through the axis of rotation. Hmm, can you picture that? Neither can I. So, here's a picture of the shape of 2003 EL61: http://hepwww.physics.yale.edu/quest/sedna/2003_el61.html Now, if you spin something fast enough (and EL61 spins in under 4 hours per dizzy) and it's stretchy, you end up with a shape like a squashed ball, or an oblate spheroid (or ellipsoid). But 2003 EL61 is not a squashed ball, round and flattened. No, it's much longer one way across than the other way across. Whatever 2003 EL61 is made of, it has to be stiff enough to hold this shape as it whirls around every 3.9154 hours. That creates a huge amount of force. It has to be VERY stiff stuff. We can calculate just how stiff it has to be to hold on its elliptical midriff bulge while spinning, figure out its modulus of rigidity and then look to see what materials are that stiff. The answer is ROCK, rock of a high density. The estimates run from a density of 2.6 to 3.4 gm/cm^3. For comparison, our Moon has a density of about 3.3 gm/cm^3. The currently favored explanation for the rapid rotation is a giant impact. Likewise, the existence of two moons circling 2003 EL61 is attributed to a giant impact, like our Moon, like Pluto and Charon; it's the moon-maker of choice these days... 2003 EL61 is a very bright body, reflecting 70% of the light that falls on it, and it is indeed, as you would suspect from this brightness, covered with water ice. BUT, it's not old water ice, but new, freshly fallen crystalline ice, otherwise known on our planet as snow. Apparently, EL61 is like Enceledus, the moon of Saturn, with water geysers which must be driven by internal heat. Now, we come to the Giant Comet Notion. Obviously, 2003 EL61's ice is a surface feature, a thin layer of volatiles over what is essentially a rocky body. So, how much material is there to be warmed by the Sun if EL61 got shuttled into the inner solar system? Let's compare it to Comet Hale/Bopp, which more people saw as a naked eye object than any recent comet (McNaught has been sneaky). Hale/Bopp was 40 kilometers across and we don't know how much of it was volatiles or how much of its surface was volatilized by the Sun, but certainly not more than a small percentage of the comet's bulk. If ALL of Hale/Bopp had been volatilized, it would have been a hundred times (or more) brighter and a thousand times more spectacular! If the water ice on the surface of 2003 EL61 were a mile deep, it would have the volume of 136,460 Hale/Bopps! In fact, the top one foot of 2003 EL61's icy surface contains 2.6 times the volume of Comet Hale/Bopp! Since it seems likely that the freshness of the surface ice on EL61 is because it is supplied by deep water geysers, there would seem to be some depth of ice on EL61. If it were 5 miles deep, the ice volume would be equivalent to the total volume of 682,300 Hale/Bopps. And if the layer were 20 miles deep, the ice volume would be the equivalent to the total volume of 2,729,200 Hale/Bopps! Incidentally, my Ice Unit, 1.0 Hale/Bopp Unit, is exactly 268,082.57 cubic kilometers, or 2.6808257 x 10^14 cubic meters of ice, weighing 2.6808257 x 10^17 kilograms! This amount of ice, One Hale/Bopp Unit, is 7.5 times the mass of ALL the interplanetary dust presently in the solar system, that which causes the visible reflection which we can see with our naked eye, the Zodiacal Light. The crucial question would be how deeply into the solar system a perturbed 2003 EL61 would travel in its new, perturbed orbit? If its perihelion were in Saturn Country, it would simply become the Big Cheese of the Centaur Group (of which there a 100 or so) and the Super Comet might show traces of coma in a telescope. If its perihelion were near to Jupiter (what an unstable orbit that would be!), it would be both bright and visually comet-like. If its perihelion were any closer,
[meteorite-list] Unknown Meteorite
This NWA is a mystery to me. Look familiar to anyone? http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/t20.html Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day - February 20, 2007
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