Re: [meteorite-list] Venus Stone is not L6 (and not a Holbrook)
Guess I'm a No-Brainer-Local-Yokel It's funny that Bob Haag told me that it's an L6, but you know otherwise. There is lots of land before it gets to the Petrified Forest. Thanks for all the flattering words from you. It's surely appreciated. Local Un-Named-No-Brainer Dave Local Dave Robert Verish wrote: And Bob Haag was right when he said that his Venus Stone is too old to be from the Holbrook fall. For the longest time, I too, thought that Bob's Stone was a Holbrook meteorite, until... I was able to closely examine the Venus Stone when it was on display at the Tucson Show a couple of years ago. After the awe of having Bob Haag place into my hands the most revered example of a beautiful meteorite had subsided, I started to notice that the exterior was more weathered than I had expected. There wasn't much of a fresh fusion-crust. And then I noticed that around the edges of the nose-cone there were portions of the stone missing. You can imagine my dismay when I discovered that the stone wasn't perfect. And where there were portions missing, that exposed surface was definitely weathered. My jaw dropped when I noticed that there were numerous chondrules standing out in high relief on this weathered surface. I realized immediately that this stone was too low of a petrologic grade and too weathered to be a Holbrook meteorite. You see for yourself in this image: http://nuggetshooter.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-4-1122475180.jpg The fact that the Venus Stone is not an L6, and therefore not related to the Holbrook fall, was for me a no-brainer. Then the idea that the Venus Stone may be part of ANOTHER strewn field started to intrigue me. And the idea that, if another stone could be found/classified/paired to it, then the Venus Stone could be spared the cutting of a type specimen! Now that was even of more interest to me. So, I researched this meteorite. But I discovered that the actual finder and the real locality were already known. And then I was told that the find locality is surrounded by a National Park, The Petrified Forest, which would complicate expanding any possible strewn field. It's not that I would begrudge turning over a meteorite to the Smithsonian, it's just that I'm not sure that even the Smithsonian can remove a meteorite from a National Park. So, I started to lose interest and started to reconcile that this would end up being just another unclassified Arizona meteorite. Hopefully, someone more local may get lucky one day and rekindle some interest... If you are interested, and before you head on out that way, you should take a look at this satellite image: http://www.headquarterswest.com/listings/goodwater/sat.htm Good luck, Bob V. P.S. - you'll notice that I've avoided using the word Adamana, because that name has not been formally approved. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Venus Stone is not L6 (and not a Holbrook)
My jaw dropped when I noticed that there were numerous chondrules standing out in high relief on this weathered surface. I realized immediately that this stone was too low of a petrologic grade and too weathered to be a Holbrook meteorite. You see for yourself in this image: http://nuggetshooter.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-4-1122475180.jpg What did the photographer use in this image? A Yellow filter? You know, and I know that the Venus Stone is no way looks this weathered or YELLOW. I've seen and held it. Guess that horse urine really did a job on it. Local Yokel No Brain, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day - February 23, 2007
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[meteorite-list] Jenaer Leibniz-Preisträger unt ersucht jetzt Staub aus dem Al (in German)
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Re: [meteorite-list] Venus Stone is not L6 (and not a Holbrook)
[meteorite-list] Venus Stone is not L6 (and not a Holbrook) Several years ago, shortly after it was purchased by Bob Haag, I had the opportunity to hold this stone in my hands. Now, having searched the Holbrook field since 1967, and finding nearly 900 stones, mostly in the gram range, my impression was that this could indeed be a Holbrook. Case in point, many Holbrook stones are oriented. Many Holbrook stones show a great variation of weathering. I have found larger fragments extremely weathered within yards of smaller ones that had virtually no weathering. Nininger told me that he noticed the same trait. And I have wondered if the meteorite has traces of cosmic salt like the recent Monahans, TX salt bearing meteorite. (The Monahans stone fall, two specimens found, is also, I think classified as an L-6. I will have to check it up) Such cosmic salts will cause rapid weathering of the larger specimens which would have greater chances of having pockets of it. Originally in the old method of classification, Holbrook was given the class of Spherical Olivine Hypersthene Chondrite. Holbrook, in weathered specimens does have prominent chondrules sticking out of the surface. And my impression of the Venus Stone, with its black nose cone fusion crust and brown-tan interior is the same as those larger weathered pieces of Holbrook. (BTW: That image posted, as Dave noted, is completely wrong. This stone is quite black, just like some of the Holbrooks found today. And you can see a very good photo of it in Bob Haag's Collection book) I think that Holbrook, now classed as an L-6, is not like other L-6 meteorites. There are indeed variations within it. It is more porous than the majority of L-6 meteorites. And more importantly, it does have in some parts clearly defined round chondrules. That was where the term Spherical came in when it was originally classified back in the days when meteoriticists had less chemically, defined methods. Look at Portales Valley-- That is no ordinary H-6 meteorite, though that is what it is classified as. There is absolutely no reason that a chip from one of the exposed surfaces could not be removed for classification. It does not take much, certainly less than a gram. And such a chip would not take away from any of the black fusion crust that makes this meteorite so spectacular. Such a chip, analyzed would settle the question once and for all. Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Venus Stone is not L6 (and not a Holbrook)
--- Original Message --- Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:43:07 GMT From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Venus Stone is not L6 (and not a Holbrook) ++... There is absolutely no reason that a chip from one of the exposed surfaces could not be removed for classification. It does not take much, certainly less than a gram. And such a chip would not take away from any of the black fusion crust that makes this meteorite so spectacular. Such a chip, analyzed would settle the question once and for all. Steve Schoner BRAVO Steve! My sentiments exactly. Bob V. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find and Bob Haag's Venus Stone
Hi Bob, thanks for your nice words, yes we´ve known each other from the list for almost a decade now... For one thing, over the past few years there have been advancements in stone cutting and sampling. One method with uses a long, but small diameter, diamond coring device can extract enough groundmass to make a classification, but barely leave a mark on the specimen. This is true. I did not have this in mind when I wrote never ever, but rather thought of some disturbing cut. It could be done on the quite unspectacular backside of the stone. Do you know why Bob Haag doesn´t want this to be done? Perhaps this may have to do with the ongoing Holbrook discussion in a way... Best wishes, Alex Berlin/Germany Hello Alex and All, Well, Alex, it is almost 10 years now that we have been exchanging email and posting to this List, and over that entire time I have considered you my am besten freund. And as the saying goes, the more time goes by, the less things change. And so, I can see that we are still in disagreement about cutting meteorites. In fact, when you just wrote: NEVER EVER cut specimen like these just for the sake of getting some classification data, I am more in disagreement with your statement than ever before. For one thing, over the past few years there have been advancements in stone cutting and sampling. One method with uses a long, but small diameter, diamond coring device can extract enough groundmass to make a classification, but barely leave a mark on the specimen. Admittedly this wouldn't be enough sample material to qualify for a type specimen, but with regards to this subject Venus Stone, at least it can be classified and then we could finally put to rest this rumor that this stone and the Holbrook fall are related. Now, how I came to know this, will have to wait until my next post. Guten morgen mein Freund, Bob V. -- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:34:30 +0100 From: Alexander Seidel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find and Bob Haag's Venus Stone This is one very special nice example of a flight-oriented meteorite, where the rule applies: NEVER EVER cut specimen like these just for the sake of getting some classification data! Why? Because a cut would destroy the character of the piece! And so we don?t know what?s inside this beautiful meteorite, we can only make some assumptions from non-destructive observation. Alex Berlin/Germany -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters that may be considering...
Randall, I'm not suggesting you are a bad guy. I'm suggesting that your approach to keeping people out of the area is heavy handed and in truth threatening. You won't find many friends with this type of approach to scientific study, let alone this approach to people with like interest. You have alienated most of the people with interest in meteorics with your 'keep out' post to the metlist. Let me ask you this... why would you post about this crater at all if you wanted to keep such a tight lid on it? Seems very counterproductive. Gary On 23 Feb 2007 at 9:33, Randall Gregory wrote: Gary, I'm not a bad guy. I would gladly welcome anyone with a legitmate interest. I would introduce them to my friends and take them on an adventure they would never forget into a area of breath-taking beauty. After the expediton, we could sit and have a few beers. The woman in the picture is Nancy Cardnas. She was a direct eyewitness to the meteorite fall and provided invaluable information to the direction and most importantly the time when she seen the impact and heard the subsequent explosion. Using the speed of soundin dry air, I was able to compute the relative distance to the crater. I lived with this family for 10 days and her eldest boys accompanioned myself, my wife, and a professor from the National University on our expeditons. I was recently asked to be Godfather to her eldest son's newborn baby. The other is a picture of the impact site. The meteorite slammed into the side of this mountain. Randall Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randall, I would invite people to help out - not turn them away with threats of being arrested. Heck, I'll do that now. If anyone wants to come along on the New Hampshire meteorite hunt please do. We'll post dates and times of when we'll be there so everyone can come along! Come one - come all! Gary On 22 Feb 2007 at 20:56, Randall Gregory wrote: Gary, I was told that hunters would turn the place up-side down. You know some people would, without respect for anything. Do I have to remind you? http://www.azstarnet.com/gemshow01/0202.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1324361.stm http://www.rockhounds.com/tucsonshow/reports/tucson96/snapsh12.shtm http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3418/is_199708/ai_n8179903 http://www.sciencemag.org/content/vol277/issue5328/r-samples.dtl http://www.sciencemag.org/content/vol277/issue5328/r-samples.dtl http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/9899/Oct21_98/16.htm http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=48724 http://www.meteorite.com/missing_stolen.html Gem show briefs Dealer robbed 2nd year in row Five gemstones worth as much as $130,000 were reported stolen from a dealer at a gem show at the Best Western Executive Inn, 333 W. Drachman St. Owner Alijohn Nourestani was having breakfast on Sunday within view of his display of tourmaline gemstones when five pieces were stolen, he said yesterday The showcase for his business, Nourestan Gems Minerals - The Miners of Fine Tourmaline, was draped with a sheet when the theft took place, police were told. Nourestani, who has homes in Afghanistan and New Mexico, said yesterday that at the same show last year, he had several tourmaline gemstones stolen that were valued at between $8,000 and $10,000. He also had friends who had goods that were stolen, he said. I've been coming to the gem show in Tucson for 17 years, he said. I love Tucson. But we'd like the city to know we have problems. There are gangsters in Tucson. Police described the suspect as a 5-foot-7-inch man, about 165 pounds and wearing a flannel shirt and black pants. Gary K. Foote wrote: I think so too. A warning like this is sure to gain friends and influence people. lol Gary On 22 Feb 2007 at 18:14, Dave Freeman mjwy wrote: Dear Gary; I kind of thought that maybe he should live a lonely life as his scare tactic would warrent that all meteorite persons would stay away from such a crabby appleton! His crater and the Peruvian government may be his ONLY FRIENDS! df Gary K. Foote wrote: A rather dark post Randall. Gary On 21 Feb 2007 at 18:44, Randall Gregory wrote: Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact Databasethat will give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian meteorite crater. I have been warned that meteorite hunters will want to turn this site upside down. If anyone wishes to hunt at this site
Re: [meteorite-list] Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find and Bob Haag's Venus Stone
-- Original Message - [meteorite-list] Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find and Bob Haag's Venus Stone Alexander Seidel gsac at gmx.net Fri Feb 23 13:11:02 EST 2007 ... [Classification] could be done on the quite unspectacular backside of the stone. Do you know why Bob Haag doesn#180;t want this to be done? Perhaps this may have to do with the ongoing Holbrook discussion in a way... Best wishes, Alex Berlin/Germany - End of Original Message -- Good question, Alex! I don't see a down side for Bob Haag should he get his Venus Stone classified. The odds that the results would show his stone is not paired to Holbrook look quite good, and then Bob would find himself again the sole owner of a unique Arizona meteorite. Wouldn't that be a plus? But, maybe there is a down side. Maybe if it is shown to be not paired to Holbrook, then its provenance may become unsettled. That's why I hope that another piece can be independently found. Then we could get the name Adamana (or Goodwater Ranch) approved and finally get this in the books as an official Arizona meteorite. Bob V. P.S. - I'm still looking for better images of the back side of the Venus Stone in order to compare it to images of large Holbrook stones with exposed, weathered interior surfaces, but this is all that I could find: http://www.meteorman.org/Adamana.JPG http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2003/October/holbrook.jpg http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2004/December/holbrook.jpg http://www.meteorite.com/gallery/mh_holbrook.jpg http://www.nyrockman.com/gallery-pics/holbrook-1950.jpg http://www.nyrockman.com/gallery-pics/holbrook-546.jpg http://www.meteoriteimpact.com/images/holb.jpg http://www.turnstone.ca/holbroo2.jpg http://miac.uqac.ca/MIAC/26.jpg http://www.planetarium.montreal.qc.ca/Information/Expo_Meteorites/Images/fiches/image_holbrook1.jpg http://www.carionmineraux.com/meteorite/meteorite_musee/holbrook_musee_1.jpg http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/icons/main/14.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day - Feb
Michael; Jack has a winner in this sikhote.Beautiful! Thanks for the view. Herman. BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Hampshire Meteorite?
I've managed to get some microscopic photos of a small particle that clung to the magnetic probe. It was embedded in a bit of mud we brought up but is attracted to magnets without the mud packing it there in place. I'd like to ask anyone who is interested to take a look and offer opinions. Have you ever looked at olivines under high magnification? Comparisons are most welcome. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/nhmet.html Scroll down the page. Thanks, Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find and BobHaag's Venus Stone
I heard that Robert Haag sold the Venus stone. So, I guess he can't get it classified even if he wanted to now. Howard Steffic From: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: Alexander Seidel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find and BobHaag's Venus Stone Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:37:43 -0800 (PST) -- Original Message - [meteorite-list] Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find and Bob Haag's Venus Stone Alexander Seidel gsac at gmx.net Fri Feb 23 13:11:02 EST 2007 ... [Classification] could be done on the quite unspectacular backside of the stone. Do you know why Bob Haag doesn´t want this to be done? Perhaps this may have to do with the ongoing Holbrook discussion in a way... Best wishes, Alex Berlin/Germany - End of Original Message -- Good question, Alex! I don't see a down side for Bob Haag should he get his Venus Stone classified. The odds that the results would show his stone is not paired to Holbrook look quite good, and then Bob would find himself again the sole owner of a unique Arizona meteorite. Wouldn't that be a plus? But, maybe there is a down side. Maybe if it is shown to be not paired to Holbrook, then its provenance may become unsettled. That's why I hope that another piece can be independently found. Then we could get the name Adamana (or Goodwater Ranch) approved and finally get this in the books as an official Arizona meteorite. Bob V. P.S. - I'm still looking for better images of the back side of the Venus Stone in order to compare it to images of large Holbrook stones with exposed, weathered interior surfaces, but this is all that I could find: http://www.meteorman.org/Adamana.JPG http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2003/October/holbrook.jpg http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2004/December/holbrook.jpg http://www.meteorite.com/gallery/mh_holbrook.jpg http://www.nyrockman.com/gallery-pics/holbrook-1950.jpg http://www.nyrockman.com/gallery-pics/holbrook-546.jpg http://www.meteoriteimpact.com/images/holb.jpg http://www.turnstone.ca/holbroo2.jpg http://miac.uqac.ca/MIAC/26.jpg http://www.planetarium.montreal.qc.ca/Information/Expo_Meteorites/Images/fiches/image_holbrook1.jpg http://www.carionmineraux.com/meteorite/meteorite_musee/holbrook_musee_1.jpg http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/icons/main/14.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Find what you need at prices youll love. Compare products and save at MSN® Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102tcode=T001MSN20A0701 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters that may be considering...
Hi Randall, Thanks for the information. Would it be ok if I stay at your friends house? Will I need my own detector? Thanks, Your little Amigo ( Sonny ) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters that may be considering... Sonny, Fly to Arequipa. Take a taxi to the terraporto (bus station). Buy a ticket for Aplao at the bus station. When you get to Aplao, take a taxi to El Castillo. Take a minimum of 15 liters of water and some food. I would recommend night hunting. Plan on walking 45 kilometers in a westerly direction from the village of El Castillo. Plan on some serious mountain climbing. And whatever you do, don't tell anyone where you're going. And don't worry the condors will find your carcass sooner or later ;) Just tell me where you want the bones sent. Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Randall, I have friends in Peru. It would be great to hunt meteorites at the crater. Would you have any more information for me? What would be a good time to hunt the area? Thanks, Sonny -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 6:44 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters that may be considering... Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact Database that will give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian meteorite crater. I have been warned that meteorite hunters will want to turn this site upside down. If anyone wishes to hunt at this site please contact me and we can discuss. Should anyone think about hunting without contacting me. I want you to understand that I have paperwork filing with the Peruvian government giving me mining concession rights to the crater and 100 sq. hectares surrounding the crater. It is a routine matter and approval is expected soon. Even with paperwork pending I still have legal rights here in Peru. I am serious about wanting to keep this crater in pristine condition until scientists have had the opportunity to study it in detail. Peruvian law has very strict laws concerning trespassing, especially when it concerns mines. I will not hesitate to prosecute and trust me, American jails would be considered luxury resorts compared to South American jails. Your sustenance will consist of beans, potatoes, and rice and maybe a piece of chicken if you're lucky. You might get 1 piece of fruit per week. You will have to drink the local water. Diarrhea will be your constant companion. I guarantee you will have non-stop nightmares all night every night. I know the system and I will make every attempt to lengthen your stay. There are ways to block your attempts to contact the American embassy. There is currently a standing reward for reporting to the police, any meteorite hunter that may wander into this area. The reward is equivalent to 6 months income for most of the poor people of this area. They are now watchful and vigilant. The towns of Aplao and Castillo are small. Everybody knows everybody and I have many friends in each. All relevant police agencies have been notified by my Peruvian attorney. My advice, don't even think about it. Alternatively, if you want to hunt at the crater, I am open to discussion, but only after scientific studies have been completed. Randall No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater -
The hunt is on! I just talked to my friend down in South America, too. I got tickets to go. See you there Sonny! Sonny, Are you bringing the margarita mix for the field? We can pick up the alcohol cheap there! No nasty water for us! I've got the maps and the topos. This should be great! -mt Hi Randall, Thanks for the information. Would it be ok if I stay at your friends house? Will I need my own detector? Thanks, Your little Amigo ( Sonny ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Etching in Ferric Chloride?
Can anyone point me to a site with how to do this? Thanks, Matt Morgan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater -
There you go! Put your money to good use! Good luck and happy hunting. Be sure you make a field report with pics when you return! Can't wait!!! Moni PS. McCartney don't forget your lucky hat!! ;-) From: McCartney Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:48:21 -0600 The hunt is on! I just talked to my friend down in South America, too. I got tickets to go. See you there Sonny! Sonny, Are you bringing the margarita mix for the field? We can pick up the alcohol cheap there! No nasty water for us! I've got the maps and the topos. This should be great! -mt Hi Randall, Thanks for the information. Would it be ok if I stay at your friends house? Will I need my own detector? Thanks, Your little Amigo ( Sonny ) _ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater -
Dear Mccartney: If you plan to go to Peru, please read the following. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pisco_sour When in Rome ... This is NOT Mexico (or Texas). Larry On Fri, February 23, 2007 2:48 pm, McCartney Taylor wrote: The hunt is on! I just talked to my friend down in South America, too. I got tickets to go. See you there Sonny! Sonny, Are you bringing the margarita mix for the field? We can pick up the alcohol cheap there! No nasty water for us! I've got the maps and the topos. This should be great! -mt Hi Randall, Thanks for the information. Would it be ok if I stay at your friends house? Will I need my own detector? Thanks, Your little Amigo ( Sonny ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 2-23-07 Update on Walter
Good evening, I saw Walter this afternoon. This past week has been rough. Rebekah has had a virus which kept her out of school 2 1/2 days. Walter had been tolerating food through the NG tube into his stomach until Tuesday when he sprang a couple of leaks. They ran dye through the stomach but couldn't find where the leaks were until late this afternoon. It seems he has an obstruction in the small intestines. The surgeons will make a decision and plan of action tomorrow. Walter has been being weaned off the ventilator and when I left him at 7:00 p.m. he had been off the ventilator and on a trach collar for 9 hours. ( The trach collar is like someone having an oxygen tank and the tubing under their nose but his is going into his throat). His infection is responding to antibiotics but it will be weeks before it resolves. All in all it was a better Friday than I have had in 4 weeks, but we will have to see what the next few days bring in relation to the blockage. Please keep us in your prayers. We have loved getting the cards and emails. Sabrina Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Wanted: Nice sized pallasites
Hi list, Want: Esquel, Fukang, Brahin, Imalic. piece weighted more than 1 kg less than 5 kg. Slice or uncut. If you have one or two, please offer me a reasonable price off-list. Thanks. To MD: I don't know if an AD should be titled on this post, but i did. Best regards Miss Ma Lan Beijing China Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater (and Pisco)
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - lebofsky Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:31:52 -0800 Dear Mccartney: If you plan to go to Peru, please read the following. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pisco_sour When in Rome ... This is NOT Mexico (or Texas). Larry Pisco sour? How about Pisco and Coca Cola? I recall that memorable day in Jan of '96 when Marvin Killgore, his buddy Hurley and me were at Imilac. They left me out there alone with the promise that they would return from Antofagasta with supplies by 3:00. Then Marvin and Hurley left at Marvin's usual speed limit... 100 mph down the dirt road to Antofagasta. Leaving me all by lonesome self out in the Atacama desert. I had a good time looking and found quite a few good sized Imilacs, then when 3:00 PM came along, and Marvin and Hurley did not arrive, I began to get a bit nervous. Them speeding down that dirt road at 100 mph is something to worry about you now-- all by your lonesome self out in a desert that has more akin to Mars than the earth. 11,000 feet or more up. Well my worry became very extreme when 6:00 came on, and still no Marvin or Hurley. I looked in vain to spot their dust trail coming down that long dusty road to Antofagasta. 8:00 PM sun now low on the horizon... Still alone out at Imilac. No transportation out, and now verging on panic. All sorts of visions of accidents that they might have had-- speeding down that road at 100 mph. Me all by myself out in the middle of nowhere. I began to work out in my mind the prospect of walking out the next morning. No way would I even venture to walk out at night with the winds howling at 60 mph, as it does at night in the Atacama desert. And at 20 deg F or less, I decided to wait till the day to make the hike out... Like 25 miles to the next outpost, or wait along that road for a traveler or the sometimes bus that travels that road. Needless to say, it did not look good. I ran though what I thought I might need for the pack out. Then just as I was getting my sleeping bag and over-shell set up for the night behind a hill to block the wind, with worry on my mind at about 9:00 Marvin and Hurley barrel into camp. What relief ! What joy ! I'M SAVED ! They saw that I was worried, and invited me in from the wind which was howling at the time. They offered me a Cola which I eagerly took, and began to guzzle down. It kind of tasted different, but I did not care at the time. Till Pisco found its mark. That big bottle of Cola was spiked with 50% Pisco, (at 85% alc) and I guzzled it down in my post anxiety relief. Marvin and Hurley were laughing at my expense as it began to take affect, AT 11,000 FT ELEVATION ! I was crocked big time. Then, as the night came on and it got quite dark, (you would not believe the night sky in the Atacama, you can actually see by starlight) I had to set up my over shell for my sleeping bag. What a chore crocked at 11,000 FT. Marvin and Hurley laughing at my expense. Somehow, someway, whatever, I got it done fumbling all the way through. (those that have seen me struggle with that over shell without me being crocked will will understand) As I lay back getting ready for the snooze to come on, you would not believe the sky at Imilac. You can see the Magellanic Clouds, and the stars are fantastic. And there were I think an unusual number of shooting stars that night, and even the faint ones cast light over the weird landscape. It was pretty amazing-- probably because of Pisco impressing my brain. I pulled the over shell cover over my head, to keep the ever decreasing wind out, (It usually stops at midnight) and bedded down for the night-- expecting that the next day might be a hang over for me with little meteorite hunting. Morning came at 5:30 AM, and I woke, but it was too cold to get out as ice had formed the over shell canopy as a warning that I would freeze my fanny off. But when the sun comes up it warms very fast. And during the day it often reaches 85 F. But I had no hangover, none at all! In fact I felt great. Marvin and Hurley thought for sure that I would be wasted that day, and I was up and going ready to find those elusive meteorites. So, I went to it swinging Marvin's Gold Bug II with 14 inch coil. (God that thing is hard all day. I am certain that I would have done better with my VLF-710, which was down due to the fact that the airlines damaged my coil in transit). All told I got 8.5 kilos of the larger Imilacs with weights of 10 to 200 grams, with Marvin and Hurley getting 12 kilos of mostly smaller ones each. Then the real kicker was when I broke camp and Marvin checked where I had and my sleeping bag and found a 380 gram Imilac individual right under where I had laid my head. Moral of the story-- After drinking Pisco, dreaming of finding meteorites, then and breaking camp, always check the ground under where you sleep... You just don't know what you might be sleeping on. And lastly, Pisco and
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters that may be considering...
WOW, Nice guy you are! I am already in Peru, stealing your stones! Buddy, I will call the KGB and have you kidnapped and killed! Mike Farmer --- Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact Database that will give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian meteorite crater. I have been warned that meteorite hunters will want to turn this site upside down. If anyone wishes to hunt at this site please contact me and we can discuss. Should anyone think about hunting without contacting me. I want you to understand that I have paperwork filing with the Peruvian government giving me mining concession rights to the crater and 100 sq. hectares surrounding the crater. It is a routine matter and approval is expected soon. Even with paperwork pending I still have legal rights here in Peru. I am serious about wanting to keep this crater in pristine condition until scientists have had the opportunity to study it in detail. Peruvian law has very strict laws concerning trespassing, especially when it concerns mines. I will not hesitate to prosecute and trust me, American jails would be considered luxury resorts compared to South American jails. Your sustenance will consist of beans, potatoes, and rice and maybe a piece of chicken if you're lucky. You might get 1 piece of fruit per week. You will have to drink the local water. Diarrhea will be your constant companion. I guarantee you will have non-stop nightmares all night every night. I know the system and I will make every attempt to lengthen your stay. There are ways to block your attempts to contact the American embassy. There is currently a standing reward for reporting to the police, any meteorite hunter that may wander into this area. The reward is equivalent to 6 months income for most of the poor people of this area. They are now watchful and vigilant. The towns of Aplao and Castillo are small. Everybody knows everybody and I have many friends in each. All relevant police agencies have been notified by my Peruvian attorney. My advice, don't even think about it. Alternatively, if you want to hunt at the crater, I am open to discussion, but only after scientific studies have been completed. Randall - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rosetta Mars Swing-by
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=40697 Rosetta Mars Swing-by European Space Agency 23 Feb 2007 The Rosetta swing-by of Mars is the second of four gravity assist manoeuvres that are required to place Rosetta on course for its final destination: comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko. The closest approach of the swing-by will take place at 01:54 UT, 25 February 2007, when the spacecraft will pass 250 km above the surface of Mars. Updates on the progress of the flyby can be found on the ESA Rosetta Swing-by site. The Mars swing-by has been setup by two deep space manoeuvres on 29 September 2006 and 13 November 2006 and a trajectory control manoeuvre on 9 February 2007 to accurately set Rosetta on the required swing-by path. Dates of Assist Manoeuvres The Mars swing-by has been setup with two Deep Space Manoeuvres on 29 September 2006 and 13 November 2006 and a Trajectory Control Manouevre on 9 February 2007 to accurately set Rosetta on the required swing-by path (see related status reports on the right hand side). Mars Swing-by Details Event Time (UT) Occultation Start 01:52:24 Closest Approach01:54:12 Eclipse Start 01:54:25 Occultation End 02:06:50 Eclipse End 02:19:10 The time of closest approach is at approximately 01:54 UT, when Rosetta is only 250 km above the Martian surface and traveling at a speed of over 36 000 kmh-1 relative to Mars. The swing-by takes Rosetta over Mars's northern hemisphere, with the point of closest approach of a surface position of 298.2° E and 43.5° N. During the swing-by, Rosetta will pass behind Mars, as seen from Earth, resulting in a loss of communication for a period of 15 minutes, starting 2 minutes before closest approach. In addition, Rosetta will pass through the shadow cast by Mars for a period of 25 minutes and go into eclipse. For this reason the spacecraft instruments are not active at closest approach - except for the Radio Science experiment. Power will be provided by the spacecraft's batteries. Planned Science Activities Mars Between 8 hours and 4 hours prior to closest approach, the orbiter instruments will perform targeted observations of the Martian surface and the two moons of Mars, Phobos and Deimos. Because Philae runs off its own separate power supply it is possible to have some of these instruments active during the eclipse phase. At closest approach the ROMAP and CIVA instruments will be operated. ROMAP (Rosetta Lander Magnetometer and Plasma Monitor) will take magnetometric measurements from 12 hours before to 12 hours after closest approach. CIVA (Comet Nucleus Infrared and Visible Analyser) will perform imaging of Mars. ActivityInstrument Mars spectroscopy and imaging of surface and atmosphere OSIRIS Orbiter ALICE Orbiter VIRTIS Orbiter CIVALander Philae Investigating the interaction of Mars with the solar wind Rosetta Plasma experiment Orbiter ROMAP Lander Philae OSIRIS Orbiter Phobos and Deimos imaging OSIRIS Orbiter Searching for anomalous accelerations during the swing-by Radio Science experiment Orbiter Investigating the Mars radiation environment Radiation Monitor experiment Orbiter Jupiter On 27 February, only a few days after Rosetta's closest approach to Mars, NASA's New Horizon spacecraft will perform a swing by of Jupiter and afterwards will fly along the planet's magnetotail for about 100 days. Due to Sun illumination conditions, Rosetta will be able to observe Jupiter for 4 hours on 28 February and continuously after 1 March. Rosetta will make Jupiter observations with the ALICE, VIRTIS and OSIRIS instruments. Pioneer Anomaly First observed with the NASA Pioneer spacecraft, the anomaly represents a deviation in the expected change in spacecraft velocity and trajectory against observations. Scientist are not certain if the anomaly is caused by an unknown physical process, or if it is simply down to the uncertainties in measurements and analytical calculations. A test will be carried out using a MASER signal sent from the ground based tracking stations. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - February 23, 2007
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#opportunity OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: The View from 'Cabo Corrientes' - sol 1091-1096, February 23, 2007: Opportunity is healthy and is currently driving on the promontory Cabo Corrientes. The rover completed the long baseline stereo imaging of Cape Desire and is currently imaging the promontory on the other side of Cabo Corrientes called Cape of Good Hope. On Earth, Cape Desire is at the western (Pacific) end of the Strait of Magellan, marking the end of a hazardous passage through the strait. Magellan supposedly wept for joy when he discovered it, and so named it because he had been desiring to see it for a long time. Opportunity also performed an argon measurement on sol 1092. Opportunity drove about 36 meters (118 feet) between sols 1088 and 1095. Sol-by-sol summary: Each sol there is a panoramic camera tau measurement at the beginning of the plan and before the afternoon Mars Odyssey pass. There is a miniature thermal emission spectrometer elevation sky and ground during the Odyssey pass. There is also a mini-miniature thermal emission spectrometer sky and ground in the morning of each sol, just prior to handing over to the next sol's master sequence. Sol 1091 (February 17, 2007): On this sol, the rover took a panoramic camera long baseline stereo and a miniature thermal emission spectrometer 7-point sky ground measurement. Sol 1092: Opportunity used its panoramic camera to do a 13-filter soil survey and then a 13-filter stare at the foreground. The navigation camera was used in support of a miniature thermal emission spectrometer foreground stare. The alpha particle X-ray spectrometer was used after the Odyssey pass. Sol 1093: In the morning of this sol, the rover's cameras monitored for dust. Opportunity then took a miniature thermal emission spectrometer 7-point sky ground measurement. The cameras on the rover's head then scanned the sky and ground. Sol 1094: The rover stowed its instrument deployment device (arm) and bumped about 2.5 meters (8.2 feet) for left eye of stereo imaging. The arm was then unstowed, a post-drive navcam was taken, a post-drive panoramic camera image in the drive direction and a post-drive panoramic camera image of Extrema Dura (the outcrop behind the rover). The panoramic camera also began a long baseline stereo image. Sol 1095: Before Opportunity drove this sol, the navigation camera took images. The panoramic camera continued the long baseline stereo image. A mini-miniature thermal emission spectrometer sky ground measurement was taken. The rover then stowed its arm and drove eastward to image the cliff face of Cape Hope. After the drive, the rover unstowed its arm and took post-drive navigation camera images. The panoramic camera took a sky survey during solar array wakeup. In the morning, the rover looked for clouds and then took a mini- miniature thermal emission spectrometer sky ground measurement. Sol 1096: In the morning of this sol, Opportunity took a miniature thermal emission spectrometer 5-point sky and ground measurement. A panoramic camera image was taken of the Cape of Good Hope and nearby dunes. The rover's arm was then stowed, then Opportunity bumped about 4.5 meters (14.8 feet) for the left eye of stereo image. The rover then unstowed its arm and took post-drive navigation camera images, end of drive images and a post-drive panoramic camera image in the drive direction. As of sol 1095 (February 21, 2007), Opportunity's total odometry is 10,113 meters (6.28 miles). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: February 19-23, 2007
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES February 19-23, 2007 o Marte Vallis (Released 19 February 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070219a o Lava Flows (Released 20 February 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070220a o Young Crater (Released 21 February 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070221a o Wind Erosion (Released 22 February 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070222a o Large Crater (Released 23 February 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070223a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Unique Observations of Comet McNaught Reveal Sprinkling Nucleus
ESO Education and Public Relations Dept. Text with all links and the photos are available on the ESO Website at URL: http://www.eso.org/outreach/press-rel/pr-2007/pr-07-07.html Contacts: Colin Snodgrass, Emmanu Jehin ESO, Chile Phone: +56 2 463 3069, +56 2 463 3054 For Immediate Release: 23 February 2007 ESO PR Photo 07/07 The Celestial Whirligig Unique Observations of Comet McNaught Reveal Sprinkling Nucleus Comet McNaught, the Great Comet of 2007, has been delighting those who have seen it with the unaided eye as a spectacular display in the evening sky. Pushing ESO's New Technology Telescope to its limits, a team of European astronomers have obtained the first, and possibly unique, detailed observations of this object. Their images show spectacular jets of gas from the comet spiralling several thousands of kilometres into space, while the spectra reveal the presence of sodium in its atmosphere, something seen very rarely. Comet C/2006 P1 (McNaught) has rightly earned the title of a 'Great Comet' -- one so bright in the sky that such an occurrence could be expected just once in a generation (see ESO 05/07). The problem for astronomers was that the comet stayed very close to the Sun and so was only visible very low on the horizon, making it impossible for most professional telescopes to study it in detail. One telescope, however, was up to the challenge: ESO's New Technology Telescope (NTT), at La Silla. We had previously pointed the NTT very low to observe the planet Mercury, which is very close to the Sun and is therefore only visible low in the sky just after sunset. I realised that we could take advantage of the same low pointing limit to observe the comet while it was near the Sun, said ESO astronomer Colin Snodgrass [1]. From the 29th January onwards, the comet was thus observed with the NTT, revealing in detail the heart of the comet. This was no easy feat as even with the NTT it was only observable for half an hour after sunset. Luckily, the NTT has another major advantage: it is equipped with the versatile ESO Multi Mode Instrument (EMMI), which can provide both imaging and spectroscopic observations across the visible wavelength range. This meant that the maximum amount of scientific data could be taken during the limited time available for observations. The unique images reveal three clear jets of gas, which are seen to spiral away from the nucleus as it rotates, like a Catherine Wheel firework. These jets are produced when sunlight heats ices on the surface of the comet, causing them to evaporate into space and create 'geyser' like jets of gas and small dust particles, which stretch over 13,000 km into space -- greater than the diameter of the Earth -- despite the fact that the nucleus of the comet is probably less than 25 km in diameter, explained Snodgrass. By comparing images like this taken at different times, astronomers should be able to calculate how fast the nucleus rotates from the changing pattern of jets. Other images also reveal that while the gas forms spiral jets, the large dust particles released from the comet follow a different pattern, as they are thrown off the comet's surface on the brightly lit side towards the Sun, producing a bright fan, which is then blown back by the pressure of sunlight itself. As well as taking images, the astronomers were able to investigate which gases were present in the comet's atmosphere [2] using spectroscopy. The usual gaseous species have been detected, such as cyanide, carbon, and ammonia, whose analysis will help the astronomers to determine the activity level of the comet and its chemical type. But already in the first high resolution spectrum obtained on 29 January, the astronomers noted something quite unusual. We detected two very bright lines -- the brightest of the whole spectrum taken on this day as a matter of fact -- close to 589 nm and quickly identified them as belonging to neutral sodium atoms, said Emmanu Jehin (ESO). Further measurements showed this sodium emission to be extending over more than 100,000 km in the tail direction and fading rapidly with time. Such lines have only been detected in the greatest comets of the past century like C/Ikeya-Seki in 1965, C/West in 1976 and C/Hale-Bopp in 1997, for which a very narrow sodium tail was even photographed. This straight neutral tail appears in addition to the dust and ionised gas tails when the comet is close to the Sun. Its origin lies most probably in the dissociation of the cometary dust grains, said Jehin. In very active comets, which are also usually the ones which pass closer to the Sun, the dust grains are vaporised under the intense heat and start releasing sodium atoms which then react to the solar radiation and emit light -- at the very same yellow-orange wavelength of the lamps on our
