Re: [meteorite-list] [meteorite_sale] Iron Meteorite for sale

2007-05-03 Thread Michael Farmer
It is now clear that this is a classic Nigerian scam.
The person is looking around the internet, finding
photos of real meteorites, then trying to sell them to
suckers. In the emails to me, he wanted only western
union money for shipping the meteorite. It is clear
that he has no meteorite to ship, and will simply
pocket the money you send for shipping the meteorite
for you to look at. 
People, if I have said it once, I have said it a
thousand times, deal only with people you know,
otherwise, the chances of getting ripped off are too
high.
Michael Farmer

--- Norm Lehrman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> All,
> 
> The same guy tried to sell me an achondrite earlier
> today:
> 
> "Hi,
> I'm Bob Frankline an American resident presently on
> a
> volunteer mission 
> at the Shisong Catholic Hospital(NW) of Cameroon,and
> an ardent lover of meteorites.I have a NWA
> achondrite(ahow), weighs 735g for sale.It was 
> found in 2005 in the North West African Desert and i
> happened to have bought it  while i was in
> Mauritania.It is very nice looking.I'm offering it
> at
> a reasonable price of $1700.If you're interested 
> please do get incontact 
> with me.
> Thanks
>  Frankline
> 
> 
> Be careful out there!
> Norm
> http://TektiteSource.com
> 
> 
> --- Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Bob, Lists,
> > Beware of a seller calling himself Bob Frankline,
> > who is attempting to
> > pass off a Chinga (currently on the Labenne
> webside,
> > weight 499g) as a
> > Mauritanian/NWA iron of any weight (he stated that
> > it weighed 1091g).
> > 
> > I did some sleuthing; the picture that was sent to
> > me sure looked like
> > a Chinga, so I searched for Chinga meteorites on
> > google and the third
> > hit was, well, it showed me the very same picture
> > that I'd been sent
> > of his "1091g Mauritanian meteorite."
> > 
> > See here for the picture that he sent to me:
> > 
> >
>
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/wals.jpg
> > 
> > and here for the Labennes' site and the identical
> > image:
> > 
> >
>
http://www.meteorites.tv/index.html?lang=en-us&target=d428.html
> > 
> > The seller stated that it had been "analysed in
> > polytechnique de Vincent
> > Bordeaux,in France when [he] was on transit to
> > Cameroon from Mauritania."
> > I tend to be trusting with such things, but this
> was
> > an odd story, so
> > I asked for more pictures/information, etc.
> > 
> > He said that he would prefer to leave it uncut,
> but
> > that it had aready
> > been analysed with the following results:
> > 
> > Chemically it contains 26.7%Ni,76%martensite and
> > 24%taesite,0.072ppm Ge
> > 0.177ppm Ga and finally it is 11.7ppm Ir.
> > 
> > Load of crap, as you can see, both the data and
> the
> > fact that it was
> > analysed without being cut.
> > 
> > So...beware of a 'Bob Frankline' or old material
> > being passed off as a
> > 'new NWA iron.'  If the story's suspicious, or the
> > irons doesn't look
> > like a desert iron, just me mindful...
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Jason
> > 
> > 
> > On 5/2/07, frankline bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> > wrote:
> > > Hello Janson,
> > > I would not want to temper with this whole
> > fragment.
> > > I want to sell it in it's natural form.
> > > This meteorite was analysed in polytechnique de
> > Vincent
> > > Bordeaux,in France when i was on transit to
> > Cameroon from Mauritania.
> > > Thanks.
> > > Frankline.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/1/07, Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Again Bob,
> > > > Could you please send a picture of the cut
> > surface?  Doesn't have to show the micro-etch - I
> > know that would be hard to capture, but just
> > something to give a rough idea.
> > > > Also, could you please send a little more on
> the
> > history - such as where you had it analysed, etc?
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Jason
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 5/1/07, frankline bob
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Janson,
> > > > > See picture attached.
> > > > > Structurally it's microsrstucture is
> > plessite-like,It
> > > > >  lacks the troilite crystals and very
> smooth.
> > > > > It is highly attracted to a magnet also.
> > > > > Chemically it contains 26.7%Ni,76%martensite
> > and 24%taesite,0.072ppm Ge
> > > > > 0.177ppm Ga and finally it is 11.7ppm Ir.
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/30/07, Jason Utas
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Bob,
> > > > > > Pictures would be much appreciated - do
> you
> > have any more information on it as well?
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Jason
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/24/07, bob_frank2005
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > I'm Bob Frankline an American resident
> > presently on a volunteer mission
> > > > > > > at the Shisong Catholic Hospital(NW) of
> > Cameroon.I have an iron
> > > > > > > (ataxite) meteorite,very r

Re: [meteorite-list] [meteorite_sale] Iron Meteorite for sale

2007-05-03 Thread Norm Lehrman
All,

The same guy tried to sell me an achondrite earlier
today:

"Hi,
I'm Bob Frankline an American resident presently on a
volunteer mission 
at the Shisong Catholic Hospital(NW) of Cameroon,and
an ardent lover of meteorites.I have a NWA
achondrite(ahow), weighs 735g for sale.It was 
found in 2005 in the North West African Desert and i
happened to have bought it  while i was in
Mauritania.It is very nice looking.I'm offering it at
a reasonable price of $1700.If you're interested 
please do get incontact 
with me.
Thanks
 Frankline


Be careful out there!
Norm
http://TektiteSource.com


--- Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello Bob, Lists,
> Beware of a seller calling himself Bob Frankline,
> who is attempting to
> pass off a Chinga (currently on the Labenne webside,
> weight 499g) as a
> Mauritanian/NWA iron of any weight (he stated that
> it weighed 1091g).
> 
> I did some sleuthing; the picture that was sent to
> me sure looked like
> a Chinga, so I searched for Chinga meteorites on
> google and the third
> hit was, well, it showed me the very same picture
> that I'd been sent
> of his "1091g Mauritanian meteorite."
> 
> See here for the picture that he sent to me:
> 
>
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/wals.jpg
> 
> and here for the Labennes' site and the identical
> image:
> 
>
http://www.meteorites.tv/index.html?lang=en-us&target=d428.html
> 
> The seller stated that it had been "analysed in
> polytechnique de Vincent
> Bordeaux,in France when [he] was on transit to
> Cameroon from Mauritania."
> I tend to be trusting with such things, but this was
> an odd story, so
> I asked for more pictures/information, etc.
> 
> He said that he would prefer to leave it uncut, but
> that it had aready
> been analysed with the following results:
> 
> Chemically it contains 26.7%Ni,76%martensite and
> 24%taesite,0.072ppm Ge
> 0.177ppm Ga and finally it is 11.7ppm Ir.
> 
> Load of crap, as you can see, both the data and the
> fact that it was
> analysed without being cut.
> 
> So...beware of a 'Bob Frankline' or old material
> being passed off as a
> 'new NWA iron.'  If the story's suspicious, or the
> irons doesn't look
> like a desert iron, just me mindful...
> 
> Regards,
> Jason
> 
> 
> On 5/2/07, frankline bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> wrote:
> > Hello Janson,
> > I would not want to temper with this whole
> fragment.
> > I want to sell it in it's natural form.
> > This meteorite was analysed in polytechnique de
> Vincent
> > Bordeaux,in France when i was on transit to
> Cameroon from Mauritania.
> > Thanks.
> > Frankline.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/1/07, Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Again Bob,
> > > Could you please send a picture of the cut
> surface?  Doesn't have to show the micro-etch - I
> know that would be hard to capture, but just
> something to give a rough idea.
> > > Also, could you please send a little more on the
> history - such as where you had it analysed, etc?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jason
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/1/07, frankline bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Janson,
> > > > See picture attached.
> > > > Structurally it's microsrstucture is
> plessite-like,It
> > > >  lacks the troilite crystals and very smooth.
> > > > It is highly attracted to a magnet also.
> > > > Chemically it contains 26.7%Ni,76%martensite
> and 24%taesite,0.072ppm Ge
> > > > 0.177ppm Ga and finally it is 11.7ppm Ir.
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/30/07, Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Bob,
> > > > > Pictures would be much appreciated - do you
> have any more information on it as well?
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Jason
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/24/07, bob_frank2005
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > I'm Bob Frankline an American resident
> presently on a volunteer mission
> > > > > > at the Shisong Catholic Hospital(NW) of
> Cameroon.I have an iron
> > > > > > (ataxite) meteorite,very rich in Nikel(Ni)
> and weighs 1091gms.It was
> > > > > > found in 1997 in Mauritania and i happened
> to have bought it while i
> > > > > > was in that Country.It is very nice
> looking.I'm offering it at a
> > > > > > reasonable price of $800.If you're
> interested please do get contact
> > > > > > with me.contact me at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] for photo.
> > > > > > Thanks Frankline
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > From list manager:
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> offering within the posting
> > > > > > a discount of at least 5% of total.
> > > > > > This list is not for "regular" dealer
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> moderation which will delayed them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Change settin

Re: [meteorite-list] Iron Meteorite for sale

2007-05-03 Thread Impactika
In a message dated 5/3/2007 5:39:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hello Bob, Lists,
Beware of a seller  calling himself Bob Frankline, who is attempting to
pass off a Chinga  (currently on the Labenne webside, weight 499g) as a
Mauritanian/NWA iron of  any weight (he stated that it weighed 1091g).

I did some sleuthing; the  picture that was sent to me sure looked like
a Chinga, so I searched for  Chinga meteorites on google and the third
hit was, well, it showed me the  very same picture that I'd been sent
of his "1091g Mauritanian  meteorite."

See here for the picture that he sent to  me:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/wals.jpg

and here  for the Labennes' site and the identical  image:

http://www.meteorites.tv/index.html?lang=en-us&target=d428.html

The  seller stated that it had been "analysed in polytechnique de  Vincent
Bordeaux,in France when [he] was on transit to Cameroon from  Mauritania."
I tend to be trusting with such things, but this was an odd  story, so
I asked for more pictures/information, etc.

He said that he  would prefer to leave it uncut, but that it had aready
been analysed with the  following results:

Chemically it contains 26.7%Ni,76%martensite and  24%taesite,0.072ppm Ge
0.177ppm Ga and finally it is 11.7ppm Ir.

Load  of crap, as you can see, both the data and the fact that it was
analysed  without being cut.

So...beware of a 'Bob Frankline' or old material being  passed off as a
'new NWA iron.'  If the story's suspicious, or the irons  doesn't look
like a desert iron, just me  mindful...

Regards,
Jason
---
 
Very interesting Jason.
Apparently he simply stole that picture of the Labenne's website.
And he is not very good at simple math (26.7 + 76 + 24 = more than  100%) 
:-)
 
Maybe Pierre-Marie Pele can do a quick search and tell us if there is a  
"polytechnique de Vincent
Bordeaux" or if the University of Bordeaux does  meteorite analysis.
That would close the argument.

Anne M.  Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
President, I.M.C.A.  Inc.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Polishing Chondrite Slices

2007-05-03 Thread Impactika
In a message dated 5/3/2007 1:27:02 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Hi, This is Tom Phillips, the microscope  guy,  which really means the
> polishing guy.  I have to agree,  Ghubara is both  tough to polish with out 
> scratches
> and  when I revisited some polished slices I  had made a year ago, all  were
> good except the Ghubara.  It had to be  repolished before  any scope time.
>
> Perhaps some one can suggest a sealing   method that would work for your
> sphere?

I think in that case You  must make the same "tricks" like with iron 
meteorites.
Using oil +heating  or try to put it into red devil solution to remove all 
acids that can start  rusting. Ghubara must fall in very "bad" place, thats 
why he is now heavy  ruster.

-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
 
I am sorry but I have to disagree with both of you.
Ghubara is not a ruster. In fact it is quite stable. Look at this  one:  

_http://www.impactika.com/catpix/AB145.jpg_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/catpix/AB145.jpg) 
 
I have had it a couple years, it is in a Riker mount, no special care at  
all. And it is just fine. And I have a few other slices of Ghubara, all are in  
Rikers, and there is no rust on anyone of them.
In fact, I think that Ghubara is a very pretty, very interesting meteorite,  
and greatly under-rated. But then I like those dark meteorites, they look like 
 thousands of stars in a dark night sky.  

Anne M. Black
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[meteorite-list] Mixed Feeling about Selling Part of my Collection

2007-05-03 Thread David & Kitt Deyarmin

Last week I decided to sell all of the 50mm x 50mm slices in my collection.

Originally I collected the slices to dentine if a particular meteorite would 
make a good candidate for a sphere


However, my 50mm sphere collection is growing and most of the slices were 
duplicated with spheres so I figured there was no need to have both.


Well I sold the entire collection to a single buyer last weekend, and even 
though I got a fair price I have a slight felling of loss.


I know this is normal and that I will get over it but I just figured venting 
would help it along. 


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Re: [meteorite-list] [meteorite_sale] Iron Meteorite for sale

2007-05-03 Thread Michael Farmer
I have also concluded that it was a Chinga.
Buyer beware, as meteorites become more public with
numberous TV shows, the scams will grow.
Michael Farmer
--- Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello Bob, Lists,
> Beware of a seller calling himself Bob Frankline,
> who is attempting to
> pass off a Chinga (currently on the Labenne webside,
> weight 499g) as a
> Mauritanian/NWA iron of any weight (he stated that
> it weighed 1091g).
> 
> I did some sleuthing; the picture that was sent to
> me sure looked like
> a Chinga, so I searched for Chinga meteorites on
> google and the third
> hit was, well, it showed me the very same picture
> that I'd been sent
> of his "1091g Mauritanian meteorite."
> 
> See here for the picture that he sent to me:
> 
>
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/wals.jpg
> 
> and here for the Labennes' site and the identical
> image:
> 
>
http://www.meteorites.tv/index.html?lang=en-us&target=d428.html
> 
> The seller stated that it had been "analysed in
> polytechnique de Vincent
> Bordeaux,in France when [he] was on transit to
> Cameroon from Mauritania."
> I tend to be trusting with such things, but this was
> an odd story, so
> I asked for more pictures/information, etc.
> 
> He said that he would prefer to leave it uncut, but
> that it had aready
> been analysed with the following results:
> 
> Chemically it contains 26.7%Ni,76%martensite and
> 24%taesite,0.072ppm Ge
> 0.177ppm Ga and finally it is 11.7ppm Ir.
> 
> Load of crap, as you can see, both the data and the
> fact that it was
> analysed without being cut.
> 
> So...beware of a 'Bob Frankline' or old material
> being passed off as a
> 'new NWA iron.'  If the story's suspicious, or the
> irons doesn't look
> like a desert iron, just me mindful...
> 
> Regards,
> Jason
> 
> 
> On 5/2/07, frankline bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> wrote:
> > Hello Janson,
> > I would not want to temper with this whole
> fragment.
> > I want to sell it in it's natural form.
> > This meteorite was analysed in polytechnique de
> Vincent
> > Bordeaux,in France when i was on transit to
> Cameroon from Mauritania.
> > Thanks.
> > Frankline.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/1/07, Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Again Bob,
> > > Could you please send a picture of the cut
> surface?  Doesn't have to show the micro-etch - I
> know that would be hard to capture, but just
> something to give a rough idea.
> > > Also, could you please send a little more on the
> history - such as where you had it analysed, etc?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jason
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/1/07, frankline bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Janson,
> > > > See picture attached.
> > > > Structurally it's microsrstucture is
> plessite-like,It
> > > >  lacks the troilite crystals and very smooth.
> > > > It is highly attracted to a magnet also.
> > > > Chemically it contains 26.7%Ni,76%martensite
> and 24%taesite,0.072ppm Ge
> > > > 0.177ppm Ga and finally it is 11.7ppm Ir.
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/30/07, Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Bob,
> > > > > Pictures would be much appreciated - do you
> have any more information on it as well?
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Jason
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/24/07, bob_frank2005
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > I'm Bob Frankline an American resident
> presently on a volunteer mission
> > > > > > at the Shisong Catholic Hospital(NW) of
> Cameroon.I have an iron
> > > > > > (ataxite) meteorite,very rich in Nikel(Ni)
> and weighs 1091gms.It was
> > > > > > found in 1997 in Mauritania and i happened
> to have bought it while i
> > > > > > was in that Country.It is very nice
> looking.I'm offering it at a
> > > > > > reasonable price of $800.If you're
> interested please do get contact
> > > > > > with me.contact me at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] for photo.
> > > > > > Thanks Frankline
> > > > > >
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Re: [meteorite-list] [meteorite_sale] Iron Meteorite for sale

2007-05-03 Thread Jason Utas

Hello Bob, Lists,
Beware of a seller calling himself Bob Frankline, who is attempting to
pass off a Chinga (currently on the Labenne webside, weight 499g) as a
Mauritanian/NWA iron of any weight (he stated that it weighed 1091g).

I did some sleuthing; the picture that was sent to me sure looked like
a Chinga, so I searched for Chinga meteorites on google and the third
hit was, well, it showed me the very same picture that I'd been sent
of his "1091g Mauritanian meteorite."

See here for the picture that he sent to me:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/wals.jpg

and here for the Labennes' site and the identical image:

http://www.meteorites.tv/index.html?lang=en-us&target=d428.html

The seller stated that it had been "analysed in polytechnique de Vincent
Bordeaux,in France when [he] was on transit to Cameroon from Mauritania."
I tend to be trusting with such things, but this was an odd story, so
I asked for more pictures/information, etc.

He said that he would prefer to leave it uncut, but that it had aready
been analysed with the following results:

Chemically it contains 26.7%Ni,76%martensite and 24%taesite,0.072ppm Ge
0.177ppm Ga and finally it is 11.7ppm Ir.

Load of crap, as you can see, both the data and the fact that it was
analysed without being cut.

So...beware of a 'Bob Frankline' or old material being passed off as a
'new NWA iron.'  If the story's suspicious, or the irons doesn't look
like a desert iron, just me mindful...

Regards,
Jason


On 5/2/07, frankline bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

Hello Janson,
I would not want to temper with this whole fragment.
I want to sell it in it's natural form.
This meteorite was analysed in polytechnique de Vincent
Bordeaux,in France when i was on transit to Cameroon from Mauritania.
Thanks.
Frankline.



On 5/1/07, Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> Hello Again Bob,
> Could you please send a picture of the cut surface?  Doesn't have to show the 
micro-etch - I know that would be hard to capture, but just something to give a 
rough idea.
> Also, could you please send a little more on the history - such as where you 
had it analysed, etc?
> Thanks,
> Jason
>
>
>
> On 5/1/07, frankline bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
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> > Hello Janson,
> > See picture attached.
> > Structurally it's microsrstucture is plessite-like,It
> >  lacks the troilite crystals and very smooth.
> > It is highly attracted to a magnet also.
> > Chemically it contains 26.7%Ni,76%martensite and 24%taesite,0.072ppm Ge
> > 0.177ppm Ga and finally it is 11.7ppm Ir.
> > Thanks.
> >
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[meteorite-list] AD - ebay - stunning small irons

2007-05-03 Thread Peter Marmet

Hello list,

just a short note that I have seven small new irons on ebay, ending  
in less than a day.
The meteorite has been sent for classification and the results are  
expected to be available in

about 6 weeks.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9

Thank you,
Peter
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Re: [meteorite-list] Aziz Habibi

2007-05-03 Thread Matthias Bärmann

I would like to ask Mr. Aziz Habibi: please contact me off list:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

thank you!

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Aziz was found fast and he changed his email


please send my email to the list my meial from the hotel is down.
spo please send my email to the list.
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all the best
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[meteorite-list] NASA Antenna Cuts Mercury to Core, Solves 30 Year Mystery

2007-05-03 Thread Ron Baalke

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2007-050

NASA Antenna Cuts Mercury to Core, Solves 30 Year Mystery
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
May 03, 2007

Researchers working with high-precision planetary radars, including the
Goldstone Solar System Radar of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory,
Pasadena, Calif., have discovered strong evidence that the planet
Mercury has a molten core. The finding explains a more than three-decade
old planetary mystery that began with the flight of JPL's Mariner 10
spacecraft. The research appears in this week's issue of the journal
Science.

Launched in Nov. 1973, Mariner 10 made three close approaches to Mercury
in 1974 and 75. Among its discoveries was that Mercury had its own weak
magnetic field - about one percent as strong as that found on Earth.

"Scientists had not expected to find a magnetic field at Mercury," said
Professor Jean-Luc Margot of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., leader of
the research team. "Planetary magnetic fields are associated with molten
cores, and the prevailing theory was the planet was too small to have a
molten core."

Scientists theorized that Mercury consisted of a silicate mantle
surrounding a solid iron core. This iron was considered solid - or so
the theory went - because small planets like Mercury cool off rapidly
after their formation. If Mercury followed this pattern, then its core
should have frozen long ago.

Many believed the Mercury mystery would only be resolved if and when a
spacecraft landed on its aggressively toasty surface. Then, in 2002,
scientists began pointing some of the most powerful antennas on our
planet at Mercury in an attempt to find the answer.

"On 18 separate occasions over the past five years, we used JPL's
Goldstone 70-meter [230-foot] antenna to fire a strong radar signal at
Mercury," said Planetary Radar Group Supervisor Martin Slade of JPL, a
co-author of the paper. "Each time, the radar echoes from the planet
were received about 10 minutes later at Goldstone and another antenna in
West Virginia."

Measuring the echo of particular surface patterns from the surface of
Mercury and how long they took to reproduce at both Goldstone and the
Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope in West Virginia allowed scientists
to calculate Mercury's spin rate to an accuracy of one-thousandth of a
percent. The effect was also verified with three more independent radar
observations of Mercury transmitted from the National Science
Foundation's Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico.

With these data the science team was able to detect tiny twists in
Mercury's spin as it orbited the sun. These small variations were double
what would be expected for a completely solid body. This finding ruled
out a solid core, so the only logical explanation remaining was that the
core - or at the very least the outer core - is molten and not forced to
rotate along with its shell.

Maintaining a molten core over billions of years requires that it also
contain a lighter element, such as sulfur, to lower the melting
temperature of the core material. The presence of sulfur supports the
idea that radial mixing, or the combining of elements both close to the
sun and farther away, was involved in Mercury's formation process.

"The chemical composition of Mercury's core can provide important clues
about the processes involved in planet formation," said Margot. "It is
fundamental to our understanding of how habitable worlds -- planets like
our own -- form and evolve."

Mercury still has its share of mysteries. Some may be solved with the
NASA spacecraft Messenger, launched in 2004 and expected to make its
first Mercury flyby in 2008. The spacecraft will then begin orbiting the
planet in 2011. “It is our hope that Messenger will address the
remaining questions that we cannot address from the ground,” said Margot.

The study's other co-authors include Stan Peale of the University of
Santa Barbara in California; Raymond Jurgens, a JPL engineer, and Igor
Holin of the Space Research Institute in Moscow, Russia.

The Goldstone antenna is part of NASA's Deep Space Network Goldstone
station in Southern California's Mojave Desert. Goldstone's 70-meter
diameter antenna is capable of tracking a spacecraft traveling more than
16 billion kilometers (10 billion miles) from Earth. The surface of the
70-meter reflector must remain accurate within a fraction of the signal
wavelength, meaning that the precision across the 3,850-square-meter
(41,400-square-foot) surface is maintained within one centimeter (0.4
inch).

For more information about NASA and agency programs on the Internet, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov



Media contacts: DC Agle/Carolina Martinez 818-393-9011/354-9382
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Dwayne Brown/Tabatha Thompson 202-358-1726/3895
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[meteorite-list] NASA's Mars Rover Finds Evidence of Ancient Volcanic Explosion

2007-05-03 Thread Ron Baalke

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2007-051

NASA's Mars Rover Finds Evidence of Ancient Volcanic Explosion
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
May 03, 2007

NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Spirit has discovered evidence of an
ancient volcanic explosion at "Home Plate," a plateau of layered bedrock
approximately 2 meters (6 feet) high within the "Inner Basin" of
Columbia Hills, at the rover's landing site in Gusev Crater. This is the
first explosive volcanic deposit identified with a high degree of
confidence by Spirit or its twin, Opportunity.

There is strong evidence that those layers are from a volcanic
explosion, said Steve Squyres of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y.
Squyres is principal investigator for the rovers' science instruments.
The findings about volcanic activity are reported in a paper published
in the May 4 issue of the journal Science.

Evidence shows the area near Home Plate is dominated by basaltic rocks.
"When basalt erupts, it often does so as very fluid lava, rather than
erupting explosively," Squyres said. "One way for basaltic lava to cause
an explosion is for it to come into contact with water - it's the
pressure from the steam that causes it to go boom."

Scientists suspect that the explosion that formed Home Plate may have
been caused by an interaction of basaltic lava and water. "When you look
at composition of the rocks in detail, there are hints that water may
have been involved," Squyres said. One example is the high chlorine
content of the rocks, which might indicate that basalt had come into
contact with a brine.

One of the strongest pieces of evidence for an explosive origin for Home
Plate is a "bomb sag" preserved in layered rocks on the lower slopes of
the plateau. Bomb sags form in volcanic explosions on Earth when rocks
ejected skyward by the explosion fall into soft deposits, deforming them
as they land.

Spirit arrived at Home Plate in February 2006 and spent several months
exploring it in detail before driving to "Low Ridge" to pass the Martian
winter. Spirit has now returned to Home Plate to continue exploration
there. "We decided to go back to Home Plate, once the Martian winter
ended, because it is one of the most interesting places that we've found
on Gusev Crater," Squyres said. "Last year we primarily explored the
northern and eastern sides of it. This time we're hoping to get to the
southern and western sides." Spirit's continued exploration of Home
Plate will focus largely on testing the idea that water was involved in
its formation process.

Spirit and Opportunity are in their fourth year of exploring Mars. They
successfully completed their three-month prime missions in April 2004,
and the missions have been extended four times. As of April 26, Spirit
had spent 1,177 sols, or Martian days, on the surface of Mars and had
driven 7,095 meters (4.4 miles), and Opportunity had spent 1,157 sols
and driven 10,509 meters (6.5 miles).

"Considering their age, both rovers are in good health. All science
instruments are functioning and continuing to return superb science
data," said John Callas, project manager of the Mars Exploration Rover
mission at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

JPL manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for NASA's Science
Mission Directorate. JPL is a division of the California Institute of
Technology in Pasadena.

For images and information about the rovers and their discoveries on the
Web, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/rovers or http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov .

For information about NASA and agency programs on the Internet, visit:
http://www.nasa.gov/home.



Media contacts: Guy Webster/Natalie Godwin 818-354-6278/0850
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726
NASA Headquarters, Washington

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[meteorite-list] Carsten's NWA 4679 and Marcin's MC036 CK chondrites

2007-05-03 Thread bernd . pauli
Marcin wrote:

"... a big, pretty, complete, yelow, radiant chondrule...I must say that THIS
one should not be here. This chondrule just not fit to this CK matrix. This kind
of chondrule I can expect in L3 or H3 but in CK?"

Hello Marcin and List,

These words remind me of what I wrote last March 04 about Carsten's NWA 4679
(CK4) - paired with Philippe Thomas's NWA 4425 - C3.8. If your MC036 chondrite
happens to be paired with the other two CK's, my comment re: NWA 4679 might once
again be of interest. Here it is:

"As such macrochondrules have not been observed in CK chondrites, I wonder 
where this
huge 12-mm BO chondrule comes from. Maybe from the meteorite that collided with 
the CK
parent body of NWA 4679? If so, was it an H, an L, or an LL chondrite? The 
sheer size
of this macrochondrule speaks in favor of an L chondrite."

Here is the URL for those who haven't seen this megachondrule yet:

http://www.gi-po.de/ebayfolder/shop/carbopre/carbo.htm 

Best regards,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Polishing Chondrite Slices

2007-05-03 Thread PolandMET

Actually I have found that mirror polished slices keep
better than rough ones (though sometimes rough ones do show chondrules
better..)


For this is a simple test.
Put some water on mirror polished slice and on slice with saw marks. In that 
first piece water will not penetrate meteorite and will flow down like on a 
window glass.

On second one meteorite will be wet.

Hint:
if You find on polished slice some rust, then You can remove it using 
fragment very soft (1000, 2000grid) sand paper. Better if used sand paper 
was used before for some grinding so he is more smooth and have only small % 
of original ammount of grinding powder. Then softly polish rusty surface. 
This will NOT MAKE any scratched on polished chondrite, but rust will be 
removed safety. You can feel it using Your finger. Rusty area is rough and 
repolished fragment is smooth again. Its better than polishing slice again 
in water if it rusting.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Polishing Chondrite Slices

2007-05-03 Thread PolandMET

Hi, This is Tom Phillips, the microscope guy,  which really means the
polishing guy.  I have to agree, Ghubara is both  tough to polish with out 
scratches

and when I revisited some polished slices I  had made a year ago, all were
good except the Ghubara.  It had to be  repolished before any scope time.

Perhaps some one can suggest a sealing  method that would work for your
sphere?


I think in that case You must make the same "tricks" like with iron 
meteorites.
Using oil +heating or try to put it into red devil solution to remove all 
acids that can start rusting. Ghubara must fall in very "bad" place, thats 
why he is now heavy ruster.


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[meteorite-list] TO SONNY

2007-05-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sonny, after seeing all of the posts about the cows I can only 
conclude that there are a lot of high school kids on the list now!  I 
have seen several pictures of deers on telephone poles and wires and 
a few cows in trees.  But the pictures went with my last crashed cpu. 
of several years ago.  The investigating agents figured that they 
were dropped from a UFO!  So you were wise to leave the area! If you 
want to learn more run a check on cattle mutilations.  Jim 

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[meteorite-list] Walter Zeitschel

2007-05-03 Thread Moni Waiblinger


Hello Martin and All,

now that Walter Branch is going home and had a wonderful recovery, I would 
like to find out how Walter Zeitschel is doing.

Any one in Germany let us know about his recuperation, please.
I was looking at google sites about Walter Zeitschel and find it fascinating 
how involved he is in the meteorite world.

A fantastic collector besides.

This article mentioned his name in the meteoritetimes by Martin Horejsi.
Great article by the way.

http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2005/November/Accretion_Desk.htm

Google his name and you find out many more interesting facts about him.

With best regards,
Moni

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[meteorite-list] Walter Schirra, one of the seven original Mercury astronauts, died today in California, NASA confirms.

2007-05-03 Thread Darren Garrison
"Breaking news" at www.cnn.com.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunt Pictures . . Warning Graphic Pictures

2007-05-03 Thread Mike Groetz
Sonny-
   Are they too far gone to slather them in BBQ sauce
and build a bonfire underneath each?
   Sorry- I know its' lunchtime...  ;-)
Mike


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> Hi List,
> 
> While on a recent road trip to hunt meteorites at
> Tungsten Mtn I 
> decided to stop at Smith Creek Valley Dry Lake. The
> area looked like a 
> possible place to hunt meteorites. After about an
> hour of searching I 
> saw something in the distance that looked out of
> place. I decided to 
> check out the unknown object. What I found was a
> large wooden pole 
> probably 25 ft. high with a COW carcass impaled upon
> it. It looked like 
> it had been there for some time. I took a few
> pictures and moved on. I 
> decided to go to the opposite end of the lake and I
> saw another post 
> with a large object on top. By this time I had quit
> hunting and drove 
> toward the post. To my amazement there was another
> cow on top of this 
> post with a Raven's nest in its belly. This goes to
> show that you never 
> know what you will find in the desert. I would have
> camped there... but 
> I didn't want to disrupt the evil spirits! Not that
> I was scared or 
> anything!
> 
> Warning some of the pictures may be offensive to
> some! View at your own 
> risk!
> 
> Sonny
> 
> http://nevadameteorites.com/id77.htm
> 
>

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunt Pictures . . Warning GraphicPictures

2007-05-03 Thread wahlperry

Thanks Sterling,

Now I can get rid of this stupid garlic necklace!

Sonny

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GraphicPictures


Hi,

   The cows' names are Elsie and Elmer, like
the famed Borden Milk spokescattle of
yester-year. They mark out a landsailing course.
   See: http://www.nalsa.org/Sept_News/sala.html
   This organization is apparently NOT associated
with PETA...


Sterling K. Webb
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:04 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunt Pictures . . Warning
GraphicPictures



Hi List,

While on a recent road trip to hunt meteorites at Tungsten Mtn I
decided to stop at Smith Creek Valley Dry Lake. The area looked like a
possible place to hunt meteorites. After about an hour of searching I
saw something in the distance that looked out of place. I decided to
check out the unknown object. What I found was a large wooden pole
probably 25 ft. high with a COW carcass impaled upon it. It looked like
it had been there for some time. I took a few pictures and moved on. I
decided to go to the opposite end of the lake and I saw another post
with a large object on top. By this time I had quit hunting and drove
toward the post. To my amazement there was another cow on top of this
post with a Raven's nest in its belly. This goes to show that you never
know what you will find in the desert. I would have camped there... but
I didn't want to disrupt the evil spirits! Not that I was scared or
anything!

Warning some of the pictures may be offensive to some! View at your own
risk!

Sonny

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Re: [meteorite-list] Polishing Chondrite Slices

2007-05-03 Thread mark ford
I've got a large Ghubara slice that was done by a Norwegian dealer (I
think maybe by Lars?), absolutely stunning, mirror finish, and actually
one of my best slices, looks an unearthly 'spooky black'! And I'd
recommend a mirror finish on a Ghubara any day! As for rustiness - Mines
stayed mint, Actually I have found that mirror polished slices keep
better than rough ones (though sometimes rough ones do show chondrules
better..)

Best
Mark


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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polishing Chondrite Slices

Hi, This is Tom Phillips, the microscope guy,  which really means the 
polishing guy.  I have to agree, Ghubara is both  tough to polish with
out scratches 
and when I revisited some polished slices I  had made a year ago, all
were 
good except the Ghubara.  It had to be  repolished before any scope
time.

Perhaps some one can suggest a sealing  method that would work for your 
sphere?

Tom


In a message dated  5/3/2007 4:27:37 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I  just bought a Ghubaro and plan to have part of it made into a sphere,

>obviously ;), and the rest will be cut into slices
>
> I  would like to polish the slices and was wondering if anyone has any

>  experience doing this.
>
> I have a variety of belt sanders and palm  sanders but I don't know
what 
> kind of abrasive to use, is there a  specific type for polishing
"stone 
> like" material?

Be carefull,  becouse
primo, ghubara is hard and every scratch from grinding will be  visible
on 
polished slice.
secundo, Ghubara is one of the best ruster I  have seen in chondrites.  




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[meteorite-list] need little brick chondrite

2007-05-03 Thread aloe
Hi list,
 some of you have or can cut for me a little brick of chondrite L/LL4-6 ;
H3-5.
I need this dimension about cubic: thikness from 0,3cm to  1cm
side from 1cm to 3cm.

I can pay whith paypal contact me off line  please

many thanks paolo

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Re: [meteorite-list] Polishing Chondrite Slices

2007-05-03 Thread STARSANDSCOPES
Hi, This is Tom Phillips, the microscope guy,  which really means the 
polishing guy.  I have to agree, Ghubara is both  tough to polish with out 
scratches 
and when I revisited some polished slices I  had made a year ago, all were 
good except the Ghubara.  It had to be  repolished before any scope time.

Perhaps some one can suggest a sealing  method that would work for your 
sphere?

Tom


In a message dated  5/3/2007 4:27:37 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I  just bought a Ghubaro and plan to have part of it made into a sphere,  
>obviously ;), and the rest will be cut into slices
>
> I  would like to polish the slices and was wondering if anyone has any 
>  experience doing this.
>
> I have a variety of belt sanders and palm  sanders but I don't know what 
> kind of abrasive to use, is there a  specific type for polishing "stone 
> like" material?

Be carefull,  becouse
primo, ghubara is hard and every scratch from grinding will be  visible on 
polished slice.
secundo, Ghubara is one of the best ruster I  have seen in chondrites.  




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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunt Pictures . . Warning Graphic Pictures

2007-05-03 Thread Dave
Sonny,

I guess you didn't want to "stake out" the area.  

Dave

>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date: 2007/05/02 Wed PM 11:04:33 CDT
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>Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunt Pictures . . Warning Graphic  Pictures

>
>Hi List,
>
>While on a recent road trip to hunt meteorites at Tungsten Mtn I 
>decided to stop at Smith Creek Valley Dry Lake. The area looked like a 
>possible place to hunt meteorites. After about an hour of searching I 
>saw something in the distance that looked out of place. I decided to 
>check out the unknown object. What I found was a large wooden pole 
>probably 25 ft. high with a COW carcass impaled upon it. It looked like 
>it had been there for some time. I took a few pictures and moved on. I 
>decided to go to the opposite end of the lake and I saw another post 
>with a large object on top. By this time I had quit hunting and drove 
>toward the post. To my amazement there was another cow on top of this 
>post with a Raven's nest in its belly. This goes to show that you never 
>know what you will find in the desert. I would have camped there... but 
>I didn't want to disrupt the evil spirits! Not that I was scared or 
>anything!
>
>Warning some of the pictures may be offensive to some! View at your own 
>risk!
>
>Sonny
>
>http://nevadameteorites.com/id77.htm
>
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[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions ending tonght

2007-05-03 Thread Jim Strope

Good Morning Meteorite Lovers

I have auctions ending tonight, ebay ID catchafallingstar.com.  All started
at 99  Cents!!!   The planetary offerings are getting a lot of action.

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=catchafallingstar.com

Full recap with photos on Paul and Jim's website:
http://www.meteorite.com/meteorites/ebay/catch_a_falling_star_meteorites.htm

Thanks for looking 

Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV  26038

http://www.catchafallingstar.com


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Re: [meteorite-list] OT -- Ghubara meteorite on ebay?

2007-05-03 Thread PolandMET
Does anyone know the ebay seller harrharw42?  He has an auction up for sale 
(and several previously):

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ghubara-meteorite-25-3g-NR_W0QQitemZ200104045500QQihZ010QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This looks odd to me; I can't imagine anyone turning a meteorite of this 
size into what looks like a tumbled specimen and removing any vestige of 
fusion crust.  People who are tired of questions about ebay auctions, please 
forgive me.

Tracy Latimer

:D
This is nothing, just someone have too many ugly rusty Ghubara fragments so 
they tumbled them.
We should thanks to God that they not start carving smiling Buddas yet.  I 
have seen many of them made from all kinds of stones & minerals.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Polishing Chondrite Slices

2007-05-03 Thread PolandMET
I just bought a Ghubaro and plan to have part of it made into a sphere, 
obviously ;), and the rest will be cut into slices


I would like to polish the slices and was wondering if anyone has any 
experience doing this.


I have a variety of belt sanders and palm sanders but I don't know what 
kind of abrasive to use, is there a specific type for polishing "stone 
like" material?


Be carefull, becouse
primo, ghubara is hard and every scratch from grinding will be visible on 
polished slice.

secundo, Ghubara is one of the best ruster I have seen in chondrites.

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