Hello again list,
Ground penetrating radar (GPR) is commonly used for non-destructive
investigation of archaeological sites. GPR can detect objects, changes in
material, and voids and cracks. (Wikipedia) Has anyone thought of mapping
the crater with GPR before sending in a backhoe to rip it
Hello Piper and List
I used GPR before, and yes it has limitations.
1. It can't see past the water table, blocks the signal, or reflex
signal completely, and you see nothing past it.
2 Wet and dry clay soils weaken and/or block the signal completely, you
send out a signal and it
Hi, All,
The peruvian geologist from INGEMMET said
the water table there is one meter below grade, so you
couldn't see down past that anywhere in the area:
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1321category=Science
And the crater isn't flat or level and it's full of
signal-blocking
Sterling,
Plan B low level flight magnetic survey or (C)
geo-phone survey? Both of which most likely not work
either and expensive.
Plan (D) ground magnetometer survey most likely is
possible and least expensive.
Your or anyone`s comments?
Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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List,
The Caranas crater needs to be photographed from the
air with a high resolution camera and a stereo-pair
should also be made.
Secondly, if the crater is to survive any rain
thought should be given as to how it could be
preserved, with low tech and cost in mind.
Are their any plastics
List,
The Carancas crater needs to be photographed from
the air with a high resolution camera and a
stereo-pair should also be made.
Secondly, if the crater is to survive any rain
thought should be given as to how it could be
preserved, with low tech and cost in mind.
Are their any plastics
a little film on a very big story
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3560v_brenham_news
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Sterling,
Plan B low level flight magnetic survey or (C)
geo-phone survey? Both of which most likely not work
either and expensive.
Plan (D) ground magnetometer survey most likely is
possible and least expensive.
Your or anyone`s
http://www.local6.com/news/14268661/detail.html
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WHAM!
but dey don't got one up dere
Jerry Flaherty
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Hello everyone,
Just a note that the Nantan meteorite coin is mentioned in the latest
National Geographic.
In the Money
Pardon me, is that a meteorite in your coin? Actually, yes! A growing number
of countries are embedding objects in commemoratives. That's how space
debris from China
Hi folks, for a while there where a lot of posts relating to Carancas smoke
trail photos, well despite going back through archives, I never found a link
that actually took me to Canancas smoke trail photos, just everyone else's
blethers, with no links or references to the subject of the
At Mike Farmer's site:
http://meteoriteguy.com/carancasfall.htm
http://meteoriteguy.com/carancasfall.htm
Three pages, page flips at the bottom
Cheers,
Pete
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Right on Pete! Thanks much.
Ain't Mike F. unbelievable. Youth and daring and dedication and cash and
time!
Jerry Flaherty
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Hi, all,
Yeah - it's not a job, it's an ADVENTURE!
Best,
Pete
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:51:32 -0400
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas smoke trail photos
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Right on Pete! Thanks
Piper, this is a dream, finding a toilet that flushed
in Desaguadero was hard enough, phone calls took 10
tries to complete, do you really think a Groun
Penetratin Radar can be found nearby? It doesnt matter
at this point, the government would put you in jail as
they prefer to let the meteorite
so you can write this idea off, the water table at
Carancas is halfway up the crater, and the meteorite
should be several meters below it.
The rains will begin in a few weeks, and the water
table will spill over the top of the crater,
unstoppable and the tourist attraction will cease to
exist. I
Guys, I am the one doing the talking at this time, but
this was a team effort, this would not have happened
without equal partners, Robert Ward and Moitz Karl. We
did this together, faced our problems together, and
all have pieces. We will hear from them soon, but
Robert has a new girlfriend, so
Dirk wrote:
List and Ed,
Continuing discussion follows EPG`s final question.
E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:...
Do you really want to stand by such a display of a
lack of intelligence and sense, or do you wish to
reconsider that
On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 09:18:09 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
Robert has a new girlfriend, so seems to be tied up
with his phone off
Hope he remembers teh safety word.
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Hi, Mike, List,
Did the photographer indicate what angle his camera was when he took the smoke
trail picture?
Maybe it's just an optical illusion to me, but my perception is that the trail
appears to be coming down at an almost vertical angle.
Cheers,
Pete
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 09:18:09
On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:27:48 EDT, you wrote:
http://www.spacerocksinc.com/October_6_2007.html
Sikhote with tail, meet NWA with tail:
http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/NWA_tail.jpg
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Well darn it Don, you beat me to the punch. Seems like a lot of us (
well...you and I anyway) fell the same way about the Doctor Richard
Daniels aka Randall what's his name.
John
At 02:18 PM 10/5/2007, Don Rawlings wrote:
Don't let the door hit you in the backside, skippy.
Most of us have
A spelling error, is that the best you can beat me
with today?
Don't you have some planning to do with your drinking
buddies, on how you will get out of the mess in Peru,
since federal government of Peru is now investigating
the police for selling you a 4 kilo piece? Or was this
a lie. Please
In a message dated 10/6/2007 12:38:08 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:27:48 EDT, you wrote:
http://www.spacerocksinc.com/October_6_2007.html
Sikhote with tail, meet NWA with tail:
http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/NWA_tail.jpg
Hello List
Before the Meteorite can be remove from the crater, the water table must be
lowered first. Pumping the water out of the crater is useless, it will fill
right back in, like a water well, and as soon as you start digging you will
hit more water and make mud
What needs to be done,
Yes Darren...good idea! And if they want to preserve the crater perhaps
they should dig the crater up and move it to higher ground! ;-)
Graham
Darren Garrison wrote:
On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 02:10:43 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
Sterling,
Plan B low level flight magnetic survey or (C)
geo-phone
Hi All,
I've been following the Carnacas story from the beginning (mostly on
the Minor Planet Mailing List and through Babelfish translations of
news stories and scientific initial reports), but couldn't resist
paying a visit to the Meteorite-List archives to see what kind of
excitement had
Hello List,
This is a heads-up especially for those who don't have a Sky Tel
subscription. There is a short article on the Cali meteorite fall
Risky Meteorite Recovery in the Nov 2007 issue of the magazine
(News Notes, page 18).
Bernd
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Update and possible correction on the flight direction:
The INGEMMET initial report and the Wikipedia entry for the Carancas
meteorite both state that the flight direction was toward the NNE,
but I'm wondering if they are both 180 degrees off. Here's the
Wiki link:
No, this cant be done. This is a VERY POOR COUNTRY.
Come on, these people are poor, the country had an
earthquake that left tens of thousands homeless barely
two months ago.
It is simple, we pumped the water from the crater. It
worked ok, of course will immediately begins to
refill. You need 10
Hi Rob, and List,
I was also confused by the direction given in that report. According to an
eyewitness who observed from Puno, the flight direction was from left to
right which means somewhat N to S, not vice versa. The different wall heights
of the crater also support the NE to SW flight
Hi Anne and all,
I think most would agree there is nothing better than
A meteorite and a little tail.
Michael
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On Fri,
Hi Anne,
Another sikhote with a tailmy 905g favourite!
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/Sikhote/IMG_4149.jpg
Graham Ensor
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2007
Good photos in this auction. Seller claims to have other sizes, up to 3 KG
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180167029071
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This is for approx. Long.70, Lat.42 Plymouth, Massachusetts.
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Oct 6, 2007 : Space Station Flyby Alert
The
Mischiefman, naughty!
Jerry Flaherty
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Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 5:56 PM
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Dear List,
Here is the contact information for Peru`s INGEMMET
if you wish to petition for aerial photographs and
stereo-pair photos, crater preservation and any
further followup study.
Time is of the essence so IF possible FAX in Spanish
(best) or English.
I don`t currently have their
The're all admirable but that one is truly impressive, Graham!
Jerry Flaherty
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Good luck getting your pieces from Bolivia. I give a 1
in 10 chance for a package to arrive unpilfered.
Michael Farmer
--- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good photos in this auction. Seller claims to have
other sizes, up to 3 KG
Marveous to have you join the Met list , Rob. Thanks for your input. This
fall is obiously unique for our time.
11,000+' and trajectory team up to present us with something special. That
together with Mike F's exploits make this one a seller's market piece. Watch
the prices on this one. They
I hope not. My piece was mailed out 4 days ago. We'll see
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Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 5:27 PM
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Good luck getting
Look, we were there, we interviewed many people, the
meteorite came from the North by a tad east headed
south by southwest.
Mike
The graphics posted are correct within a degree or two
of error.
--- Jan Hattenbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Rob, and List,
I was also confused by the direction
The IMGEMMET website is:
http://www.ingemmet.gob.pe/
On the upper right is a row of links
that includes Contactenos or Contact Us
(I guess). Clicking on it brings up a page with
three email address for mining, financial affairs,
and technical relations, the website of the
Minister, and their
FOR YOUR PLEASURE
Jerry Flaherty
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LOOK EAST AT DAWN SUNDAY MORNING FOR A GATHERING OF MOON AND PLANETS
Hi, This is Dr. Tony Phillips
Hello Everyone,
The October issue of Meteorite-Times is now up.
http://www.meteorite-times.com/
A huge thank you to all the writers and contributers this month!
We have created a new Feature called 'Ruben's Meteorite Videos' to make
it easy to find and view Ruben's videos. These pages can be
I have just spoken with the landowner of the meteorite
crater in Peru.
He informs me that this morning most of the local
police were removed from duty, and several have been
arrested for corruption, including Major Anaya.
Perhaps Randall Gregory can confirm this as I have not
seen it on the news
Hi,
In earlier discussions on the list it was discussed...I think!...that if
the Carancas meteorite was still ablating near to impact that there
would be evidence in the form of ablation material around the site. The
dealer in Bolivia informed me that there were indeed small glassy
spheres
His lie may have helped end the career or the arrest
of Major Anaya in Peru. Randall, if that is a lie it
is on your conscience, if you have one.
Remember, just days ago he reported to the meteorite
list having bought a 4 kilo piece from the Cheif of
police in Desaguadero. I forwarded that email
I searched the heck out of the soil, and never saw
any, but hey, I was looking for meteorite chunks, not
glass spheroids.
Mike
--- ensoramanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
In earlier discussions on the list it was
discussed...I think!...that if
the Carancas meteorite was still ablating
I just wanted to send a request out to everyone on the list.
I am looking for some Chondrite material large enough to produce my next
50mm sphere.
To qualify it must be at least 51mm as measured at what would be the 3
center axes of the sphere.
IF you have some material that's large enough
Hi, Graham, List,
Yeah, I mentioned the glassy spheroids in my
first 1 or 2 posts. They can form from the ablative
trail or from impact.
IF an impactor vaporizes, or any substantial part
of it, a cloud of rock vapor is ejected by the shock
front of its own formation. Rapidly cooled
very funny. lol...and i needed that.
On Oct 6, 2007, at 5:56 PM, Michael L Blood wrote:
Hi Anne and all,
I think most would agree there is nothing better than
A meteorite and a little tail.
Michael
on 10/6/07 11:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a
In a message dated 10/6/2007 5:06:16 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hello Everyone,
The October issue of Meteorite-Times is now up.
http://www.meteorite-times.com/
Hi List, So often my Micro Vision articles are just micrographs. This
month is much more thanks to
Hello List,
Just listed on ebay up for auction from my collection.
Photographic Catalog of Selected Antarctic Meteorites - Dr. K Yanai
Photographic Catalog of The Antarctic Meteorites - Dr. K Yanai
Our Stone- Pelted Planet - Rare Nininger book
Along with a couple of other signed books, rare
Hi all,
My latest video Metal detecting for rare pallasite
meteorites in Glorieta is now public. Also, don't
forget to read the accompanying story. I found 20
Glorieta pallasites and siderites that weekend!
Follow the link below then click on Rubens Hunting
Grounds on the left.
List,
Still no eamil addresses for Jose Machare or Luisa
Macedo, report investigators.
Here is a copy of the email addresses from the
INGEMMET site:
INSTITUTO GEOLÓGICO MINERO Y METALÚRGICO
Abreviatura: INGEMMET
Sector:Ministerio de Energía y Minas
Dirección: Av. Canadá N° 1470
On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:05:23 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
Hi all,
My latest video Metal detecting for rare pallasite
meteorites in Glorieta is now public. Also, don't
forget to read the accompanying story. I found 20
Glorieta pallasites and siderites that weekend!
Couldn't you get some friends to
Try the following:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Regards,
Dave
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Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 10:14 PM
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Darren and list,
I think Farmer and team do just fine. Right now they
are the best at what they do.
I just thank God that meteorite hunting in the USA
hasn't come to that. yet.
Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com
List, Dave C., Sterling,
Thank you all that helped with addresses. The email
has been sent to the Peruvians about aerial
photographing and preserving the crater. I will
report back what I learn, unless they post to the list
directly. If anyone else wants to email them their
addresses are
From the comments in one of the Living in Peru stories on the meteorite:
What I encountered at the US Capitol, I believe to be the entities that exited
the green spheres. Where I imaged these anomalies at the US Capitol is devoid of
life:.ie: dead. The grass in one area was mutated, unlike
I tried responding to Arizona Keith but again my reply dropped into a
black hole... Please forgive this duplicate post if the other one
ever shows up.
I wanted to comment on digging in the area of the crater in Peru. My
concern is that I hope they don't put people down in the excavation.
List,
More stories about the Carancas crater:
photo at bottom:
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Peru
Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Dear List:
Geoff asked me to post to the list on his behalf, as
he hasn't been
feeling well this past week.
Please take a look at our eBay auctions ending Sunday
evening. There
are some nice rare items ending soon including a
fusion-crusted Steve
Brenham Arnold Park Forest witnessed fall
http://www.spacerocksinc.com/October_7_2007.html
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Oh my god, now that ius entertainment! Finally some
levity in this drama. I love it.
Michael Farmer
--- drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
List,
More stories about the Carancas crater:
photo at bottom:
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Peru
Dirk Ross...Tokyo
http://home.comcast.net/~C_Shipbaugh/Impact.html
Did everyone see this? Some interesting calculation
regarding the dynamics of the Peru meteorite.
I have been saying since the moment I set foot in the
crater, that this meteorite weighed many tons, and I
think there are many tons in the
Mike and list
So it about 10 to 20 tons, more than 15 feet below the surface and 12 feet
below the water table, I don't thing you can dig that out by hand.
15 feet below the surface is deep, no matter where in the world you are,
without shoring up the walls, the hole will close up from the
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