Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite survival
I changed the subject as this topic took a different path from the original posting. There are strong evidence that the Ultuna meteorite found in 1944 is paired with the 1869 Hessle fall. Classified as H chondrites. I don't know the weathering grade of Ultuna. I had the happy coincidence to handle a large (about 600g) individual this winter. Ref : NYSTRÖM, J.O. AND WICKMAN, F.E.,1994: The Ultuna and Hessle meteorites, Sweden: paired falls? GFF 116, pp. 231-233. /Göran ensoramanda wrote: Great pieces Mikelooks like this last month has been a good one. Hoping to get to Ensisheim or Saint Marie again this year...but not sure yet. And now a question Mike...or anyone else out there. Are there any records of chondrite falls that were found many years after the actual fall (40 or more years) in climates which are wet or similar the Britain. I am still trying to asses what sort of state a meteorite such as Barwell may be in after weathering the elements for that long as we are still on the track/hunt for one large piece observed to fall by a farmer well outside of the normal strewnfield but never recovered. Are there instances of such finds, and if not, is it because they have weathered a way completely? Any thoughts anyone? Graham Ensor __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! It's DEAD!!! JOKE
Steve, I have a problem with you having a problem with Paul having a problem with others having a problem. Sincerely, Michael on 5/2/08 5:30 PM, Paul Harris at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Steve! You're absolutely right :-) I owe you a beer on that one! Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WARNING JOKE AHEAD Be prepared to be tempted to be offended... but resist the urge! The following is ONLY a Joke: In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:28:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So please stop. The only problem is that people keep saying there is a problem... Paul, Actually, there are 2 problems, the one you mentioned and: The other problem is that you have a problem with other people saying there is a problem. Not that I have a problem with you having a problem with people saying there is a problem. Because if I did have a problem with you having a problem with other people saying there is a problem, then there would be 3 problems with it. ;-) wink! Joke. It was a joke. Just a joke. Please don't get mad at me for the joke. I warned you all in the Subject and in the heading and once again here at the end. Steve #1 Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 'Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as by the attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way your mind looks at what happens.' --Kahlil Gibran __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 3, 2008
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite survival
Hi Graham, Göran all, I believe Pultusk would be another good example. Here's an example that Marcin has: http://www.polandmet.com/_pultusk.htm Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite survival I changed the subject as this topic took a different path from the original posting. There are strong evidence that the Ultuna meteorite found in 1944 is paired with the 1869 Hessle fall. Classified as H chondrites. I don't know the weathering grade of Ultuna. I had the happy coincidence to handle a large (about 600g) individual this winter. Ref : NYSTRÖM, J.O. AND WICKMAN, F.E.,1994: The Ultuna and Hessle meteorites, Sweden: paired falls? GFF 116, pp. 231-233. /Göran ensoramanda wrote: Great pieces Mikelooks like this last month has been a good one. Hoping to get to Ensisheim or Saint Marie again this year...but not sure yet. And now a question Mike...or anyone else out there. Are there any records of chondrite falls that were found many years after the actual fall (40 or more years) in climates which are wet or similar the Britain. I am still trying to asses what sort of state a meteorite such as Barwell may be in after weathering the elements for that long as we are still on the track/hunt for one large piece observed to fall by a farmer well outside of the normal strewnfield but never recovered. Are there instances of such finds, and if not, is it because they have weathered a way completely? Any thoughts anyone? Graham Ensor __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
I'm reading Paul Davies' The Fifth Miracle. In chapter 6 it refers to the 1996 discovery by Taylor, Baggaley and Steel of inter-stellar dust particles entering the earth's atmosphere in the form of fast ( 70-km/s) meteors: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v380/n6572/abs/380323a0.html It got me wondering as to whether there are any candidates for meteorites which may be of extra-solar origin. Are there any? How would they be identified - a suspiciously long CRE age would perhaps be one indicator? Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Periodicity for mass extinctions correlated with movements thru galactic plane
Periodicity for mass extinctions correlated with movements thru galactic plane. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080502092145.htm The Sun's Movement Through Milky Way Regularly Sends Comets Hurtling, Coinciding With Mass Life Extinctions ScienceDaily (May 2, 2008) — The sun's movement through the Milky Way regularly sends comets hurtling into the inner solar system -- coinciding with mass life extinctions on earth, a new study claims. The study suggests a link between comet bombardment and the movement through the galaxy. Scientists at the Cardiff Centre for Astrobiology built a computer model of our solar system's movement and found that it bounces up and down through the plane of the galaxy. As we pass through the densest part of the plane, gravitational forces from the surrounding giant gas and dust clouds dislodge comets from their paths. The comets plunge into the solar system, some of them colliding with the earth. The Cardiff team found that we pass through the galactic plane every 35 to 40 million years, increasing the chances of a comet collision tenfold. Evidence from craters on Earth also suggests we suffer more collisions approximately 36 million years. Professor William Napier, of the Cardiff Centre for Astrobiology, said: It's a beautiful match between what we see on the ground and what is expected from the galactic record. The periods of comet bombardment also coincide with mass extinctions, such as that of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Our present position in the galaxy suggests we are now very close to another such period. While the bounce effect may have been bad news for dinosaurs, it may also have helped life to spread. The scientists suggest the impact may have thrown debris containing micro-organisms out into space and across the universe. Centre director Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe said: This is a seminal paper which places the comet-life interaction on a firm basis, and shows a mechanism by which life can be dispersed on a galactic scale. The paper, by Professor Napier and Dr Janaki Wickramasinghe, is to be published in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society. Adapted from materials provided by Cardiff University, via EurekAlert!, a service of AAAS. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
Hi Mark, The nano diamonds in Allende CAI's are considered to be samples of extra-solar origin; at least they show isotopic values that don't match with any of the other values measured for materials of our solar system (including meteorites). I believe there were studies of other (Antarctic) carbonaceous chondrites which also were shown to be from other systems, but right now I don't remember the exact publication. Should have been in MAPS, but I would have to look this up, first. Bernd: do you have an idea where I might have read about it? But as far as I know no meteorite as such has been considered as extra-solar, so far - these are always inclusions, and most of them are microscopically small. All the best, Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- I'm reading Paul Davies' The Fifth Miracle. In chapter 6 it refers to the 1996 discovery by Taylor, Baggaley and Steel of inter-stellar dust particles entering the earth's atmosphere in the form of fast ( 70-km/s) meteors: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v380/n6572/abs/380323a0.html It got me wondering as to whether there are any candidates for meteorites which may be of extra-solar origin. Are there any? How would they be identified - a suspiciously long CRE age would perhaps be one indicator? Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
Hi Mark and all, As Norbert pointed out, only small microscopic inclusions have been found that probably contain extra solar material. No specimen that we have ever found is uniquely from another solar system. There are a number of reasons for this. First any material would have to travel great distances (light years) to enter our system. After entering our system, Earth would have to be lucky enough to be the target of such material plus material would have to be recovered after the fall. This puts the odds at great disadvantage. Coming from outside of our solar system the material would have a far greater speed than any asteroidal material or planetary material from inside our system, making the chance of survival less likely. Just like meteoroids that catch up to the Earth's orbit more often survive passage than meteoroids that have a head on collision with Earth survive less often due to forces of going through the atmosphere. We do see these high speed extra solar particals coming in at speeds many times the speeds of our systems material. Such extra solar material would have most likely a far greater age. Over 4.6 billion. Such a meteorite would have the age of it's solar system plus the age of it's travel time to our solar system. The farther away the material came from the greater the age if you figure out the great distances between other stars. The farther away the material came from the less likely it would end up in our system as it should encounter other systems on the way here. Each meteorite in our system tends to contain some of the chemical signature from our Sun which makes it identifiable with our system. An extra solar meteorite would contain a different chemical signature based on the abundance of material that comes from that system. Just as no two stars in the sky contain the same exact spectral make up, no two systems would contain the same solar signature making it possible to distinguish such foreign matter to our system. No doubt isotopes would show a much older age and perhaps even unique types of isotopes that would puzzle our scientists. Maybe a fourth or fifth type of oxygen isotope that we use to distinguish Earth/moon system from Vestoids and Martian samples we have. Will have to re-read McSween and find out what he had to say about this and I am sure he did make some comments. Best! --AL Mitterling Mark Crawford wrote: I'm reading Paul Davies' The Fifth Miracle. In chapter 6 it refers to the 1996 discovery by Taylor, Baggaley and Steel of inter-stellar dust particles entering the earth's atmosphere in the form of fast ( 70-km/s) meteors: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v380/n6572/abs/380323a0.html It got me wondering as to whether there are any candidates for meteorites which may be of extra-solar origin. Are there any? How would they be identified - a suspiciously long CRE age would perhaps be one indicator? Mark __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
I recall an analysis that predicted the rate we might encounter extrasolar material, and it was high enough to suggest that the Earth has actually crossed paths with such stuff. But statistically, the velocity of extrasolar material is likely to be very high- well above the solar escape velocity- and we know both empirically and theoretically that this doesn't bode well for meteorite production. Extrasolar meteors have probably occurred; extrasolar meteorites seem unlikely. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mark Crawford' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material? Hi Mark, The nano diamonds in Allende CAI's are considered to be samples of extra-solar origin; at least they show isotopic values that don't match with any of the other values measured for materials of our solar system (including meteorites). I believe there were studies of other (Antarctic) carbonaceous chondrites which also were shown to be from other systems, but right now I don't remember the exact publication. Should have been in MAPS, but I would have to look this up, first. Bernd: do you have an idea where I might have read about it? But as far as I know no meteorite as such has been considered as extra-solar, so far - these are always inclusions, and most of them are microscopically small. All the best, Norbert __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Greensburg Kansas Anniversary
Ladies and Gentlemen, Lest we forget that one year ago, a tornado ripped through Greensburg, Kansas, destroying most of it. Many of the members of this list contributed and worked the effort to donate to the reconstruction of the town. For those who might be interested, the Discovery Channel is hosting a 60 minute program on May 03, at 8:00 pm titled Blown Away: Greensburg, Kansas. The program will be shown again on May 04, at 12:00 am. Steve Arnold #1 or Geoff Notkin... I'm interesteed in how Greensburg has progressed these past 12 months. Would you or anyone else on the list be able to provide and update? Regards, Dave __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! It's DEAD!!! JOKE
Michael, You know what? I have a problem with you having a problem with me having a problem with Paul having a problem with others saying there is a problem, because I EXPRESSLY stated my last post that I had NO problem with Paul having a problem with others saying there is a problem. So your problem is unfounded. So I don't think you really have a problem. Now, tread softly on your response if your posting here ends up talking Paul out of giving me my free beer at your auction next year, then YOU are the one that is really going to have a BIG problem. Oh, to keep this slightly meteorite related, I am slowly getting items up at ebay to start the discounting, but people keep buying things before I lower the prices. Not that I have a problem with that. Should I be concerned that the above paragraph might be a problem since someone might take my reply to this last post as a gimmick to talk about my Steve Arnold's Famous Ebay Discount Marathon more than just one time in a week? Oh, I almost forgot, part of what I said above was a JOKE, an attempt to be funny. But some of it was serious. I am not up to sorting out which is which. So, if you are humourically challenged be careful before responding in anger! Steve #1 In a message dated 5/3/2008 3:19:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve, I have a problem with you having a problem with Paul having a problem with others having a problem. Sincerely, Michael on 5/2/08 5:30 PM, Paul Harris at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Steve! You're absolutely right :-) I owe you a beer on that one! Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WARNING JOKE AHEAD Be prepared to be tempted to be offended... but resist the urge! The following is ONLY a Joke: In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:28:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So please stop. The only problem is that people keep saying there is a problem... Paul, Actually, there are 2 problems, the one you mentioned and: The other problem is that you have a problem with other people saying there is a problem. Not that I have a problem with you having a problem with people saying there is a problem. Because if I did have a problem with you having a problem with other people saying there is a problem, then there would be 3 problems with it. ;-) wink! Joke. It was a joke. Just a joke. Please don't get mad at me for the joke. I warned you all in the Subject and in the heading and once again here at the end. Steve #1 Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 'Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as by the attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way your mind looks at what happens.' --Kahlil Gibran __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
Hi Norbert, list , - isn't presolar extrasolar too, in a certain sense? See f.e.: http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Dec02/TagishLake.html Best, Matthias - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mark Crawford' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material? Hi Mark, The nano diamonds in Allende CAI's are considered to be samples of extra-solar origin; at least they show isotopic values that don't match with any of the other values measured for materials of our solar system (including meteorites). I believe there were studies of other (Antarctic) carbonaceous chondrites which also were shown to be from other systems, but right now I don't remember the exact publication. Should have been in MAPS, but I would have to look this up, first. Bernd: do you have an idea where I might have read about it? But as far as I know no meteorite as such has been considered as extra-solar, so far - these are always inclusions, and most of them are microscopically small. All the best, Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- I'm reading Paul Davies' The Fifth Miracle. In chapter 6 it refers to the 1996 discovery by Taylor, Baggaley and Steel of inter-stellar dust particles entering the earth's atmosphere in the form of fast ( 70-km/s) meteors: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v380/n6572/abs/380323a0.html It got me wondering as to whether there are any candidates for meteorites which may be of extra-solar origin. Are there any? How would they be identified - a suspiciously long CRE age would perhaps be one indicator? Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
Hi all, I have never been strong on the scientific side of meteoritics. However, would such material entering the earth's atmosphere at ultra super speeds POSSIBLY be responsible the Tunguska Event, where evidence was blown to smithereens? Best wishes, Michael on 5/3/08 6:02 AM, Mark Crawford at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm reading Paul Davies' The Fifth Miracle. In chapter 6 it refers to the 1996 discovery by Taylor, Baggaley and Steel of inter-stellar dust particles entering the earth's atmosphere in the form of fast ( 70-km/s) meteors: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v380/n6572/abs/380323a0.html It got me wondering as to whether there are any candidates for meteorites which may be of extra-solar origin. Are there any? How would they be identified - a suspiciously long CRE age would perhaps be one indicator? Mark 'Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as by the attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way your mind looks at what happens.' --Kahlil Gibran __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
There's a PDF of the full paper linked from the abstract. If the results are correct (it's 12 years old, I don't know if the findings have been challenged since) then we would seem to have a steady stream of interstellar particles from at least 2 discrete extra-solar sources. I wonder if there would be value in a Stardust-like probe - perhaps in Earth orbit - aimed at trapping micrometeor particles before the impact the atmosphere. Or even the high-altitude 'fly paper' flights, intended to sample interplanetary dust particles (McSween refers to this in Ch 1 of MATPP). Either approach would seem to offer the opportunity to realise a proportion of specimens which originate from outside our system. I've no idea how they would be positively identified as such, however. M Chris Peterson wrote: Extrasolar meteors have probably occurred; extrasolar meteorites seem unlikely. -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Macro/Micro Break-Off Sale
I have a few pieces that have broken off collection pieces. No sense in throwing them out when you can make a few bucks! Here is what I have available: ALHA 76009 Antarctic Meteorite .396 gr. Flat fragment 12x10x3mm GREAT surface-to-weight ratio $39 ALHA 76009 .090 gr. Bag of fragments. Largest measures 6x3x3mm $9 NWA 1955 rarer H/L 3-4 class. .270 gr. Part slice measures 10x9x2mm $5 Cali (from stone #001) .060 gr. Bag of fragments ranging from .5 to 2mm wide Also includes a bag of roof tile fragments. $20 Sorry, no pics available. Photographing micros can be labor intensive :) Kind regards, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Macro/Micro Break-Off Sale
Everything is SOLD. Thanks! Mike B. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bandli Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 11:32 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Macro/Micro Break-Off Sale I have a few pieces that have broken off collection pieces. No sense in throwing them out when you can make a few bucks! Here is what I have available: ALHA 76009 Antarctic Meteorite .396 gr. Flat fragment 12x10x3mm GREAT surface-to-weight ratio $39 ALHA 76009 .090 gr. Bag of fragments. Largest measures 6x3x3mm $9 NWA 1955 rarer H/L 3-4 class. .270 gr. Part slice measures 10x9x2mm $5 Cali (from stone #001) .060 gr. Bag of fragments ranging from .5 to 2mm wide Also includes a bag of roof tile fragments. $20 Sorry, no pics available. Photographing micros can be labor intensive :) Kind regards, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! It's DEAD!!! JOKE
Is this waste of bandwidth and clutter in my mail box ever going to end? Don --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, You know what? I have a problem with you having a problem with me having a problem with Paul having a problem with others saying there is a problem, because I EXPRESSLY stated my last post that I had NO problem with Paul having a problem with others saying there is a problem. So your problem is unfounded. So I don't think you really have a problem. Now, tread softly on your response if your posting here ends up talking Paul out of giving me my free beer at your auction next year, then YOU are the one that is really going to have a BIG problem. Oh, to keep this slightly meteorite related, I am slowly getting items up at ebay to start the discounting, but people keep buying things before I lower the prices. Not that I have a problem with that. Should I be concerned that the above paragraph might be a problem since someone might take my reply to this last post as a gimmick to talk about my Steve Arnold's Famous Ebay Discount Marathon more than just one time in a week? Oh, I almost forgot, part of what I said above was a JOKE, an attempt to be funny. But some of it was serious. I am not up to sorting out which is which. So, if you are humourically challenged be careful before responding in anger! Steve #1 In a message dated 5/3/2008 3:19:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve, I have a problem with you having a problem with Paul having a problem with others having a problem. Sincerely, Michael on 5/2/08 5:30 PM, Paul Harris at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Steve! You're absolutely right :-) I owe you a beer on that one! Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WARNING JOKE AHEAD Be prepared to be tempted to be offended... but resist the urge! The following is ONLY a Joke: In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:28:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So please stop. The only problem is that people keep saying there is a problem... Paul, Actually, there are 2 problems, the one you mentioned and: The other problem is that you have a problem with other people saying there is a problem. Not that I have a problem with you having a problem with people saying there is a problem. Because if I did have a problem with you having a problem with other people saying there is a problem, then there would be 3 problems with it. ;-) wink! Joke. It was a joke. Just a joke. Please don't get mad at me for the joke. I warned you all in the Subject and in the heading and once again here at the end. Steve #1 Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 'Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as by the attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way your mind looks at what happens.' --Kahlil Gibran __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Don Rawlings Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
Good Candidate for Extra-Solar: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=220231005786 I think this guy might be off his meds again. Take Care, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! It'sDEAD!!! JOKE
Don, Probably not. Sterling - - Original Message - From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! It'sDEAD!!! JOKE Is this waste of bandwidth and clutter in my mail box ever going to end? Don --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, You know what? I have a problem with you having a problem with me having a problem with Paul having a problem with others saying there is a problem, because I EXPRESSLY stated my last post that I had NO problem with Paul having a problem with others saying there is a problem. So your problem is unfounded. So I don't think you really have a problem. Now, tread softly on your response if your posting here ends up talking Paul out of giving me my free beer at your auction next year, then YOU are the one that is really going to have a BIG problem. Oh, to keep this slightly meteorite related, I am slowly getting items up at ebay to start the discounting, but people keep buying things before I lower the prices. Not that I have a problem with that. Should I be concerned that the above paragraph might be a problem since someone might take my reply to this last post as a gimmick to talk about my Steve Arnold's Famous Ebay Discount Marathon more than just one time in a week? Oh, I almost forgot, part of what I said above was a JOKE, an attempt to be funny. But some of it was serious. I am not up to sorting out which is which. So, if you are humourically challenged be careful before responding in anger! Steve #1 In a message dated 5/3/2008 3:19:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve, I have a problem with you having a problem with Paul having a problem with others having a problem. Sincerely, Michael on 5/2/08 5:30 PM, Paul Harris at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Steve! You're absolutely right :-) I owe you a beer on that one! Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WARNING JOKE AHEAD Be prepared to be tempted to be offended... but resist the urge! The following is ONLY a Joke: In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:28:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So please stop. The only problem is that people keep saying there is a problem... Paul, Actually, there are 2 problems, the one you mentioned and: The other problem is that you have a problem with other people saying there is a problem. Not that I have a problem with you having a problem with people saying there is a problem. Because if I did have a problem with you having a problem with other people saying there is a problem, then there would be 3 problems with it. ;-) wink! Joke. It was a joke. Just a joke. Please don't get mad at me for the joke. I warned you all in the Subject and in the heading and once again here at the end. Steve #1 Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 'Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as by the attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way your mind looks at what happens.' --Kahlil Gibran __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Don Rawlings Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
Hi All, The AMOR radars that are used to detect meteoroids at altitude all find a few percent of them have velocities too high to have originated in our solar system's gravitational family. The fast particles have a preferred origin, from which more than a quarter of them originate, a patch of sky centered around the nearby young star Beta Pictoris, known to have a large dusty disk that may be proto-planetary. Of course, for any number of small particles, there is a smaller number of the next largest size, and so on, ad infinitum, the numbers related by a power law. So, there are some chucks big enough to interest those who want meteorites bigger than dust! But they're rarer. However, this implies that most of those chunks would more likely be YOUNGER than our solar system, as it is the younger (and dustier) forming star systems that produce them. A universe full of OLD chunks would be a universe that made billions of stars and solar systems, but stopping doing it once it had produced the perfect place (with the perfect beings) that is the center of the universe, namely US! While that is the usual human view, it does not seem that's the way the universe works. While there certainly are still old chunks drifting around the universe, our Sun is located in a star forming region of our galaxy, surrounded by many stars younger than it is because we're in a nursery! The process of star formation, planetary formation, and early bombardment produce far more chunks than the older settled life of a star, so at any time, the majority of the dust and chunks reaching us are from younger systems. In regions where stars are more crowded together, like star clusters, particularly young ones, solar systems probably exchange chunks between each other with great frequency. At least, the study reported here says so: http://www.universetoday.com/2005/05/04/did-life-arrive-before-the-solar-system-even-formed/ Additionally, such clusters would continue to produce impact products throughout their lifetime at a rate much greater than, say, a solar system like ours, even an older cluster (some are almost as old as the universe) could be distributing material widely, some of it big enough to transport life (if that's what you're interested in). If there's no life in your neighborhood, just wait a few billion years; it will show up. Sterling - If you're interested in the AMOR radars and the radiants of extra-solar material, just Google AMOR radar. You'll get a lot of references, none of them available without subscription or fee... as usual. All part of the successful cultural program to promote ignorance. - - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material? I recall an analysis that predicted the rate we might encounter extrasolar material, and it was high enough to suggest that the Earth has actually crossed paths with such stuff. But statistically, the velocity of extrasolar material is likely to be very high- well above the solar escape velocity- and we know both empirically and theoretically that this doesn't bode well for meteorite production. Extrasolar meteors have probably occurred; extrasolar meteorites seem unlikely. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mark Crawford' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material? Hi Mark, The nano diamonds in Allende CAI's are considered to be samples of extra-solar origin; at least they show isotopic values that don't match with any of the other values measured for materials of our solar system (including meteorites). I believe there were studies of other (Antarctic) carbonaceous chondrites which also were shown to be from other systems, but right now I don't remember the exact publication. Should have been in MAPS, but I would have to look this up, first. Bernd: do you have an idea where I might have read about it? But as far as I know no meteorite as such has been considered as extra-solar, so far - these are always inclusions, and most of them are microscopically small. All the best, Norbert __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! It's DEAD!!! JOKE
NO! And if you keep complaining, we are all going to Come over to your house, tie you up and tickle you! Michael on 5/3/08 11:45 AM, Don Rawlings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this waste of bandwidth and clutter in my mail box ever going to end? Don --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, You know what? I have a problem with you having a problem with me having a problem with Paul having a problem with others saying there is a problem, because I EXPRESSLY stated my last post that I had NO problem with Paul having a problem with others saying there is a problem. So your problem is unfounded. So I don't think you really have a problem. Now, tread softly on your response if your posting here ends up talking Paul out of giving me my free beer at your auction next year, then YOU are the one that is really going to have a BIG problem. Oh, to keep this slightly meteorite related, I am slowly getting items up at ebay to start the discounting, but people keep buying things before I lower the prices. Not that I have a problem with that. Should I be concerned that the above paragraph might be a problem since someone might take my reply to this last post as a gimmick to talk about my Steve Arnold's Famous Ebay Discount Marathon more than just one time in a week? Oh, I almost forgot, part of what I said above was a JOKE, an attempt to be funny. But some of it was serious. I am not up to sorting out which is which. So, if you are humourically challenged be careful before responding in anger! Steve #1 In a message dated 5/3/2008 3:19:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve, I have a problem with you having a problem with Paul having a problem with others having a problem. Sincerely, Michael on 5/2/08 5:30 PM, Paul Harris at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Steve! You're absolutely right :-) I owe you a beer on that one! Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WARNING JOKE AHEAD Be prepared to be tempted to be offended... but resist the urge! The following is ONLY a Joke: In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:28:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So please stop. The only problem is that people keep saying there is a problem... Paul, Actually, there are 2 problems, the one you mentioned and: The other problem is that you have a problem with other people saying there is a problem. Not that I have a problem with you having a problem with people saying there is a problem. Because if I did have a problem with you having a problem with other people saying there is a problem, then there would be 3 problems with it. ;-) wink! Joke. It was a joke. Just a joke. Please don't get mad at me for the joke. I warned you all in the Subject and in the heading and once again here at the end. Steve #1 Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 'Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as by the attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way your mind looks at what happens.' --Kahlil Gibran __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Don Rawlings __ __ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 'Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as by the attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way your mind looks at what happens.' --Kahlil Gibran __
Re: [meteorite-list] Greensburg Kansas Anniversary
Hello Dave and All, Thanks for the post. As many of you know, my house in Greensburg was destroyed by the tornado one year ago tomorrow. Well, technically, it wasn't totally destroyed then, but by the time the city came along and bulldozed it without my permission it was then totally destroyed. But it is now usually easier to just say my house was destroyed by the tornado. I have been told that the Kansas media had decided to censor themselves and they agreed not to write anything negative about the rebuilding of Greensburg as their way to help the town have the best shot at getting back on its feet. So, most everything I have read has been quite positive. The town does have some major challenges. It all goes back to that pesky Supply and Demand equation. It is translated here to the challenge of: The city needs people living there for businesses to be able to come back, but the city needs businesses there for people to want to move back. A bit of a Catch 22. Greensburg is the county seat of Kiowa county, so part of it had to be rebuilt, even if no one wanted to live there. But it does seem there are some people that do want to live there. One year ago today, there were a LOT of homes in Greensburg with For Sale Signs in their front yards. Some of those homes had been on the market for a long time, as buyers were not plentiful. So it was no surprise when so many people met with their insurance adjustors, standing in their yard with a big fat check in their hands, they decided to take their checks and move elsewhere with their money. Many of these people were older, and the choice to live in a town or city with better medical facilities was a decision most of these people faced regularly with or without EF-5 help. As a farm community two hours outside of Wichita, and an hour east of Dodge City, it is too far for most business and industry to want to consider building there. I think I read that there was 1,000 homes there before the tornado and there have been around 136 new building permits issued this year. Most people still staying in town are living in FEMAville the huge mobile home park set up with FEMA supplied white mobile homes. I am not sure how long people can stay in them. For many, they can't afford to rebuild, but they have no where else to go. Without a job, it is hard for some to want to rebuild. But there are some people that don't want to leave either. I did hear from a local friend that it was determined that it cost 20% MORE to rebuild in Greensburg than it did anywhere else in Kansas. The primary reason was that the construction workers have to commute often from and back to Dodge City every day to stay in their hotels. Top that with the need for construction workers to return to their homes (wherever that might be) on the weekends. Without a construction workforce living in the town, like all other towns have, it is just more expensive to build. Then, real estate prices have a trend to go DOWN in value in western Kansas anyway. I'm not sure, but I think about the cheapest home that could be built would be around $125,000, with most probably being between $150,000 and $250,000. Well, how many Minimum wage workers can pay a mortgage or rent on that nice of a home? With no low cost options, much of the work force is prices out of living there. I don't mean to sound to negative. The attempt here is to be maybe a bit more realistic. I think there was a strong desire for people to want to make the town the way it was before. But the reality is, if even half of the old residents returned, and the full population grew back with new residents and 99% of the buildings in town are rebuilt, there is NO WAY they can even start to get it the way it was before. And everyone there realizes that. And no one is really trying to make it the way it was before. Greensburg, with the people who are choosing to rebuild is an ongoing story of courage and struggle. Many people have chosen to fight their personal battles of courage and struggle in other places, and to not come back. Some older people moved strait into rest homes in other nearby and not so nearby towns. Most kids graduating from Greensburg High School go off to college, and few would return home even back when they had a home to return to. As a kid who grew up in Kansas, I know first hand how most kids can't wait to get the hell out of Dodge and to go experience the excitement that the real world has to offer. Maybe community pride is stronger now in Greensburg, and I think many of the kids leaving will seriously consider moving back. But if I had to bet, even after serious consideration, most won't. There is a big world out there, a world with fast food restaurants, and shopping malls, and jobs, and other people. All things, that in comparison, Greensburg in the
[meteorite-list] Petrological microscope
well! I have been loaned a fantastic Swift petrological microscope and about 100 terrestrial t/s (but only one meteorites NWA 869)! It is one heckkuva piece and I foresee a huge learning curve any good and informative 101s out there in web world I can go to? ta dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS. www.bimsociety.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite survival
Hi Jeff/All, Thanks to those who replied to my question about survival of Chondrites in wet climates. The Pultusk, found in 2006 after more than a century in a wet climate, is an excellent example Jeff. Great pieces Marcin. I suppose that means that larger pieces of Barwell may still be around in reasonable conditionalthough Barwell is probably more fragile and an L chondrite rather than an Hor perhaps that means there is less in the matrix to rust and weather the meteorite away. We know more about what to look out for now. Graham Ensor Jeff Kuyken wrote: Hi Graham, Göran all, I believe Pultusk would be another good example. Here's an example that Marcin has: http://www.polandmet.com/_pultusk.htm Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite survival I changed the subject as this topic took a different path from the original posting. There are strong evidence that the Ultuna meteorite found in 1944 is paired with the 1869 Hessle fall. Classified as H chondrites. I don't know the weathering grade of Ultuna. I had the happy coincidence to handle a large (about 600g) individual this winter. Ref : NYSTRÖM, J.O. AND WICKMAN, F.E.,1994: The Ultuna and Hessle meteorites, Sweden: paired falls? GFF 116, pp. 231-233. /Göran ensoramanda wrote: Great pieces Mikelooks like this last month has been a good one. Hoping to get to Ensisheim or Saint Marie again this year...but not sure yet. And now a question Mike...or anyone else out there. Are there any records of chondrite falls that were found many years after the actual fall (40 or more years) in climates which are wet or similar the Britain. I am still trying to asses what sort of state a meteorite such as Barwell may be in after weathering the elements for that long as we are still on the track/hunt for one large piece observed to fall by a farmer well outside of the normal strewnfield but never recovered. Are there instances of such finds, and if not, is it because they have weathered a way completely? Any thoughts anyone? Graham Ensor __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Searching for meteorites in Antartica
Hello Everyone, A meteorite collector on another forum discovered this. He is not a member of this list so credit goes to him. Here is a video of Dr. Monika Kress discussing searching for meteorites in Antarctica as part of ANSMET. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHcCLWZuJbc BTW, in case you want to save the video to your hard drive and don't know how, it is an .flv file, a common internet video format. After the video plays, in Windows XP go to tools/internet connections/browserhistory-setting/view files. Sort by size and near the top you will find a large 64 k file. Sometimes the names are clear and sometimes not. Copy and past this file where you want it. You may need to rename the extension to .flv. The flv player can be downloaded from many places, one of which is here: http://www.download.com/FLV-Player/3000-2139_4-10467081.html Take care -Walter Branch __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Greensburg Kansas Anniversary
Steve, Thank you very much for taking the time to provide such a deeply personal, heart-felt, and insightful reply. I went through a wide range of emotions while reading your post. On one extreme, feeling happy and proud for the people staying to rebuild Greensburg and on the other end of the spectrum, sad at the historical and cultural losses incurred by the populace. Your post is a great testamonial to the town and people of Greensburg. I for one will continue to keep the town and inhabitants of Greensburg in my prayers. Regards, Dave - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Greensburg Kansas Anniversary Hello Dave and All, Thanks for the post. As many of you know, my house in Greensburg was destroyed by the tornado one year ago tomorrow. Well, technically, it wasn't totally destroyed then, but by the time the city came along and bulldozed it without my permission it was then totally destroyed. But it is now usually easier to just say my house was destroyed by the tornado. I have been told that the Kansas media had decided to censor themselves and they agreed not to write anything negative about the rebuilding of Greensburg as their way to help the town have the best shot at getting back on its feet. So, most everything I have read has been quite positive. The town does have some major challenges. It all goes back to that pesky Supply and Demand equation. It is translated here to the challenge of: The city needs people living there for businesses to be able to come back, but the city needs businesses there for people to want to move back. A bit of a Catch 22. Greensburg is the county seat of Kiowa county, so part of it had to be rebuilt, even if no one wanted to live there. But it does seem there are some people that do want to live there. One year ago today, there were a LOT of homes in Greensburg with For Sale Signs in their front yards. Some of those homes had been on the market for a long time, as buyers were not plentiful. So it was no surprise when so many people met with their insurance adjustors, standing in their yard with a big fat check in their hands, they decided to take their checks and move elsewhere with their money. Many of these people were older, and the choice to live in a town or city with better medical facilities was a decision most of these people faced regularly with or without EF-5 help. As a farm community two hours outside of Wichita, and an hour east of Dodge City, it is too far for most business and industry to want to consider building there. I think I read that there was 1,000 homes there before the tornado and there have been around 136 new building permits issued this year. Most people still staying in town are living in FEMAville the huge mobile home park set up with FEMA supplied white mobile homes. I am not sure how long people can stay in them. For many, they can't afford to rebuild, but they have no where else to go. Without a job, it is hard for some to want to rebuild. But there are some people that don't want to leave either. I did hear from a local friend that it was determined that it cost 20% MORE to rebuild in Greensburg than it did anywhere else in Kansas. The primary reason was that the construction workers have to commute often from and back to Dodge City every day to stay in their hotels. Top that with the need for construction workers to return to their homes (wherever that might be) on the weekends. Without a construction workforce living in the town, like all other towns have, it is just more expensive to build. Then, real estate prices have a trend to go DOWN in value in western Kansas anyway. I'm not sure, but I think about the cheapest home that could be built would be around $125,000, with most probably being between $150,000 and $250,000. Well, how many Minimum wage workers can pay a mortgage or rent on that nice of a home? With no low cost options, much of the work force is prices out of living there. I don't mean to sound to negative. The attempt here is to be maybe a bit more realistic. I think there was a strong desire for people to want to make the town the way it was before. But the reality is, if even half of the old residents returned, and the full population grew back with new residents and 99% of the buildings in town are rebuilt, there is NO WAY they can even start to get it the way it was before. And everyone there realizes that. And no one is really trying to make it the way it was before. Greensburg, with the people who are choosing to rebuild is an ongoing story of courage and struggle. Many people have chosen to fight their personal battles of courage and struggle in other places, and to not come back. Some older people moved strait
[meteorite-list] Ebay auctions ending tomorrow AD
Hello List I have several new ebay autions ending tomorrow and some that just started, LL3.1, beautifull unclassified CV3, oriented NWA chondrite, Pultusk samples, Pultusk medal and more. All start from 1 cent/1 euro http://stores.ebay.com/PolandMET-Store -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)meteorite.pl http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) kosmos [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Greensburg Kansas
Think about this one, One days money pissed away in Iraq would rebuild every building/home/landscaping/ everything else imaginable in Greensburg Kansas. One day, hell, likely a few hours of that money, spent every minute of every day for the last 5 years. Makes you sick doesnt it? And if it doesnt, you need a brain transplant. All of Europe and the Pacific was liberated in less time for less money. Someone is getting very rich, and it ain't the Iraqi people. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! It's DEAD!!! JOKE
Want a real joke? Watch the self promotion on cash and treasures. Or wear tye-dyed every day of your life. Don --- Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NO! And if you keep complaining, we are all going to Come over to your house, tie you up and tickle you! Michael on 5/3/08 11:45 AM, Don Rawlings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this waste of bandwidth and clutter in my mail box ever going to end? Don --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, You know what? I have a problem with you having a problem with me having a problem with Paul having a problem with others saying there is a problem, because I EXPRESSLY stated my last post that I had NO problem with Paul having a problem with others saying there is a problem. So your problem is unfounded. So I don't think you really have a problem. Now, tread softly on your response if your posting here ends up talking Paul out of giving me my free beer at your auction next year, then YOU are the one that is really going to have a BIG problem. Oh, to keep this slightly meteorite related, I am slowly getting items up at ebay to start the discounting, but people keep buying things before I lower the prices. Not that I have a problem with that. Should I be concerned that the above paragraph might be a problem since someone might take my reply to this last post as a gimmick to talk about my Steve Arnold's Famous Ebay Discount Marathon more than just one time in a week? Oh, I almost forgot, part of what I said above was a JOKE, an attempt to be funny. But some of it was serious. I am not up to sorting out which is which. So, if you are humourically challenged be careful before responding in anger! Steve #1 In a message dated 5/3/2008 3:19:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve, I have a problem with you having a problem with Paul having a problem with others having a problem. Sincerely, Michael on 5/2/08 5:30 PM, Paul Harris at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Steve! You're absolutely right :-) I owe you a beer on that one! Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WARNING JOKE AHEAD Be prepared to be tempted to be offended... but resist the urge! The following is ONLY a Joke: In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:28:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So please stop. The only problem is that people keep saying there is a problem... Paul, Actually, there are 2 problems, the one you mentioned and: The other problem is that you have a problem with other people saying there is a problem. Not that I have a problem with you having a problem with people saying there is a problem. Because if I did have a problem with you having a problem with other people saying there is a problem, then there would be 3 problems with it. ;-) wink! Joke. It was a joke. Just a joke. Please don't get mad at me for the joke. I warned you all in the Subject and in the heading and once again here at the end. Steve #1 Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 'Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as by the attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way your mind looks at what happens.' --Kahlil Gibran __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) === message truncated === Don Rawlings Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Greensburg Kansas Anniversary
Dave, Thanks for the comments. I think what makes this extra tough is that there is no real right way to rebuild. Mike mentioned the money being spent in the war in Iraq, and how it could rebuild Greensburg in a few minutes. His comment is true as a political statement. However, some might argue that building a town back to the way it was, even IF our country had the money AND desire to do so, would not be a smart thing. Most of the challenges that Greensburg is facing is due to people and businesses taking many tens of millions of dollars worth of insurance money, FEMA funds and charity, and leaving Greensburg to rebuild their lives and businesses elsewhere. Simply spending government money to rebuild everyone's house and all the businesses exactly like they were before the tornado (including all the For Sale signs that were in people's yards that got blown away) probably is not the best solution. If it was the best solution, that would have been the easy thing to do, and it probably would have been done. Events happen in every city in the world, every day, to give citizens reason to consider making personal choices. Greensburg just had a particular event happen one year ago to everyone all at the same time. It is easy to want to have compassion on a city. But the City of Greensburg is not a person, it is a corporation. Is it really bad if someone takes their insurance money, then moves to Kansas City and lives happily ever after? Well, the politically correct answer might be No. It would be better for them to be required to stay in Greensburg rebuild and live miserably ever after. At least that way it would LOOK like Greensburg successfully rebuilt. I have heard that a movie theater company is going to build a 500 seat state of the art movie theater in Greensburg. Now, that is a private donation to the community. Wonderful. But had it been tax payer funds being spent, some might argue that a public library or a better school, or fire trucks or a Museum to House their 1,000 pound meteorite, would be a more wise place to spend the same funds. So again, there is not a simple correct answer that can be provided. With 1,400 residents, there are probably 1,400 different decisions, and undoubtedly, there will be some good ones made and some bad ones made along the way by individuals. The sum of these independent decisions will help paint the picture of what Greensburg will look like in the future. Steve #1 In a message dated 5/3/2008 5:05:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve, Thank you very much for taking the time to provide such a deeply personal, heart-felt, and insightful reply. I went through a wide range of emotions while reading your post. On one extreme, feeling happy and proud for the people staying to rebuild Greensburg and on the other end of the spectrum, sad at the historical and cultural losses incurred by the populace. Your post is a great testamonial to the town and people of Greensburg. I for one will continue to keep the town and inhabitants of Greensburg in my prayers. Regards, Dave d **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! It's DEAD!!! JOKE
Aw, Don, Now you're just being mean and nasty. You're Better than that! Michael on 5/3/08 3:40 PM, Don Rawlings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Want a real joke? Watch the self promotion on cash and treasures. Or wear tye-dyed every day of your life. Don --- Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NO! And if you keep complaining, we are all going to Come over to your house, tie you up and tickle you! Michael on 5/3/08 11:45 AM, Don Rawlings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this waste of bandwidth and clutter in my mail box ever going to end? Don --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, You know what? I have a problem with you having a problem with me having a problem with Paul having a problem with others saying there is a problem, because I EXPRESSLY stated my last post that I had NO problem with Paul having a problem with others saying there is a problem. So your problem is unfounded. So I don't think you really have a problem. Now, tread softly on your response if your posting here ends up talking Paul out of giving me my free beer at your auction next year, then YOU are the one that is really going to have a BIG problem. Oh, to keep this slightly meteorite related, I am slowly getting items up at ebay to start the discounting, but people keep buying things before I lower the prices. Not that I have a problem with that. Should I be concerned that the above paragraph might be a problem since someone might take my reply to this last post as a gimmick to talk about my Steve Arnold's Famous Ebay Discount Marathon more than just one time in a week? Oh, I almost forgot, part of what I said above was a JOKE, an attempt to be funny. But some of it was serious. I am not up to sorting out which is which. So, if you are humourically challenged be careful before responding in anger! Steve #1 In a message dated 5/3/2008 3:19:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve, I have a problem with you having a problem with Paul having a problem with others having a problem. Sincerely, Michael on 5/2/08 5:30 PM, Paul Harris at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Steve! You're absolutely right :-) I owe you a beer on that one! Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WARNING JOKE AHEAD Be prepared to be tempted to be offended... but resist the urge! The following is ONLY a Joke: In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:28:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So please stop. The only problem is that people keep saying there is a problem... Paul, Actually, there are 2 problems, the one you mentioned and: The other problem is that you have a problem with other people saying there is a problem. Not that I have a problem with you having a problem with people saying there is a problem. Because if I did have a problem with you having a problem with other people saying there is a problem, then there would be 3 problems with it. ;-) wink! Joke. It was a joke. Just a joke. Please don't get mad at me for the joke. I warned you all in the Subject and in the heading and once again here at the end. Steve #1 Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 'Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as by the attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way your mind looks at what happens.' --Kahlil Gibran __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) === message truncated === Don Rawlings __ __ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 'Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Friends
Hi Folks, We have 3 new Friends up: Mark Crawford Paul Swartz Sean Murray All can be seen at the picture/name site: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html Mark and Sean have also registered on the more informative site: http://www.meteorite.com/friends/ However, so far, only a total of 14 people have filled in the info At the new site. (check them out - I learned some stuff about almost Everyone, though I know almost all of them quite well). If you are already on the Photo/Name site, you don't Even have to submit a photo (though you may submit up to 5). If you are new to both, send me your photo and name (first and Last) and then fill out the info on the new site, as well. As soon as I Get you up (same day) you will also be posted on the newer site. Best wishes, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD:Rare Meteorite Stamp Extravaganza on EBay Ending
Hi List. I have 2 sets of my Rare Meteorite Stamp Extravaganza's on EBay. 1 set is an auction for bidding that ends in about 24 hours. The other is a Buy it Now for those collectors who hate to wait or for a bidder on my first auction who gets outbid and wants it now as well. Below you can click the link to check both auctions. These are an amazing beautiful collection set to display next to your meteorite collectables! http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZemflocater Thank you for looking. Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What the heck is going on?? Nothing!!! It's DEAD!!! JOKE
Hi all, Isn't it ironic that the point of my original post entitled What the heck is going on?? was that sane, rational, intelligent, list members not argue with each other. We're right back where we started from!! Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Petrological microscope
My favorite site is the Nikon http://www.microscopyu.com/tutorials/java/polarized/crystal/index.htmlYou can read for hours. This link is to the cross polarized light section but you can click on the links to the left to go to any techniques. Watch out! Once you get hooked, you will end up deciding on a new meteorite or a new lens. It is a slippery slope! Have fun and let us all know how it goes. Tom Phillips In a message dated 5/3/2008 3:40:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: well! I have been loaned a fantastic Swift petrological microscope and about 100 terrestrial t/s (but only one meteorites NWA 869)! It is one heckkuva piece and I foresee a huge learning curve any good and informative 101s out there in web world I can go to? ta dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS. www.bimsociety.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thanks for over 100,000 views on youtube!!!
Hi all, I just wanted to thank everyone for watching my videos!! Also special thanks to Jim and Paul at www.meteorite-times.com for allowing me to film these fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants videos for them over the last year. In just over 10 months I've received over 100,000 views and (almost as many emails) Lately I've taken a break to work on my first love...MUSIC! If you're bored take a look at the link below to see a couple of raw music videos that I uploaded today. Nothing special, just a glimpse into my music. http://www.youtube.com/user/myoriginalsongs Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: 464.3g ODESSA End Cut Plus More
Hi All, Having a special sale this Sunday night (Bidding Ends 8:35pm PST) on one very nice 464.3 gram Odessa End Cut. Starting bid only .64/g. This auction is for 1 Day Only! Very nice piece with HUGE scoops and very nice regmaglypts. It's been sliced and sanded, ready for final polish and etch. Will make a great addition to any collection. Free USPS Priority Mail shipping within the USA. 464.3g ODESSA IRON METEORITE END CUT http://cgi.ebay.com/SPECIAL-464-3g-ODESSA-IRON-METEORITE-COMPLETE-END-CUT_W0QQitemZ250244421937 Also listing lots more this weekend and this upcoming week: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfreel3orn Good Luck Happy Bidding! Regards, Eric Wichman www.MeteoritesUSA.com www.MeteoriteWatch.com Anyone wishing to buy in bulk contact me OFF-LIST. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
