[meteorite-list] UPHEAVAL DOME: CONFIRMATION OF IMPACT ORIGIN
Stefan Brandes wrote: a newly discovered Crater in Utah: http://lpod.wikispaces.com/November+29%2C+2008 Look at: http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg64615.html The paper discussing the shocked quartz is: Buchner, E., and T. Kenkmann, 2008, Upheaval Dome, Utah, USA: Impact origin confirmed. Geology. vol.36, no. 3, pp. 227-230. In part, this abstract stated: In this study, we document, for the first time, shocked quartz grains from this crater in sandstones of the Jurassic Kayenta Formation. The investigated grains contain multiple sets of decorated planar deformation features. ... The shocked quartz grains were found in the periphery of the central uplift in the northeastern sector of the crater, which most likely represents the cross range crater sector. http://www.gsajournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-abstractdoi=10.1130%2FG24287A.1 and http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/full/36/3/227?ck=nck and there is : I. Upheaval Dome, Utah - Bibliography By Alpha and By Reverse Date by K. Fisher, November 25, 2008 at: http://members.csolutions.net/fisherka/astronote/observed/Upheaval/Bibliography.html III. Buchner, E., and T. Kenkmann, 2008, Upheaval Dome, Utah, USA: Impact Origin Confirmed. Large Meteorite Impacts and Planetary Evolution IV, held August 17-21, 2008 at Vredefort Dome, South Africa. LPI Contribution No. 1423, paper id. 3005. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008LPICo1423.3005B Some interesting related papers are: W. Alvarez, E. Staley, D. O'Connor, and M. A. Chan, 1999, Synsedimentary deformation in the Jurassic of southeastern Utah; a case of impact shaking? Geology. v. 26; no. 7, pp. 579-582. Abstract at: http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/26/7/579 http://www.gsajournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-abstractdoi=10.1130%2F0091-7613(1998)026%3C0579%3ASDITJO%3E2.3.CO%3B2 PDF file at: http://eps.berkeley.edu/~platetec/125.pdf Dan Bridges, L. W., W. Alvarez, E. Staley, D. O'Connor, and M. A. Chan, 1999, Synsedimentary deformation in the Jurassic of southeastern Utah; a case of impact shaking?; discussion and reply. Geology. v. 27, no. 7, pp. 661-662 http://www.gsajournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-abstractdoi=10.1130%2F0091-7613(1999)027%3C0661%3ASDITJO%3E2.3.CO%3B2 Yours, Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Free PDF File About Possible Impact Generated Seismites
Dear Friends, PDF files of a study of possible impact related seismite can be found online. It is: Simms, M. J., 2003, Uniquely extensive seismite from the latest Triassic of the United Kingdom: Evidence for bolide impact? Geology. v. 31, no. 6, p. 557-560. http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/31/6/557 PDF File at: http://www.habitas.org.uk/staff_pdf_files/Impact.pdf Yous, Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Better shot of the new Canadian main mass
http://www.newstalk650.com/story/20081201/9219 And since that shot didn't include the official spokes-model: http://www.physics.uwo.ca/research/spotlight/m-campbell-brown-students-may2008.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EBay Server issues?????
Thanks List for your input on this. At least now I know it's not my imagination. One thing I did want to note and of which has just started happening, is that when I go to the EBay Site (not even logging on yet) my CA virus/spyware/website inspector security pops up with a red stop sign warning that this is a dangerous site This has NEVER happened. One of 2 things are going on1. EBay's server is tracking your comp via cookies/cache or 2. hackers are tapping into the EBay Servers and thus following your comps where abouts via EBay. Please be careful, complain to EBay that it takes forever to load a page and change your password frequently. I know my meteorite search on EBay has been very very sour for the last 2 months because of this, so I hope something can be done soon. Be careful. Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: John.L.Cabassi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EBay Server issues? G'Day Don You're not alone in this. Several months ago, I had problems, I even vented to Mike Farmer in regards to issues and also to eBay, never got a response back from ebay. Possibly because of the way I vented to them. At the time, the problems I was having was that exactly at 17 seconds on a bid, I would be bumped off the site and have to sign in again, but the auction was over. I had a tech check it out and it was definitely a problem with ebay. But I've also noticed over the last month pages are also taking a long time to load up and worse yet, if you're bidding on something, usually the first refresh takes 3 seconds. But as you keep refreshing, the pages are taking up to 30 seconds. So as for bidding on ebay, I've given up. It's a lost cause. Cheers Johnno - Original Message - From: Don Merchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Don Merchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] EBay Server issues? Hi List. Has anybody noticed that when you are on EBay searching for anything including meteorites that the pages load up slower and slower the longer you are on EBay! I am so frustrated that I want to head butt a 15kg Iron Meteorite!! At first I thought it was my computer but I have 7 Comps.3 PC's and 4 laptops and the same thing occurs! I then of course cleaned out my cache and temp files and STILL after a few minutes on EBay checking out the meteorite pages the pages slowly get longer and longer to load up and I MEAN LONG. Sometimes up to a minute or 2!! I have had a few friends say they too have noticed this with EBay on their comps. This has been going on now for several months! I have just complained to EBay that I feel they have server issues. Nevermind to tell me it's Xmas time and people are overloading EBay since I have noticed this long before Xmas time. My server is high speed internet so it is not my server. Now when I get off the EBay Site to any other Site runs fast as lightning. This is seriously ruining my search of items particularly meteorites on EBay. I want to vent out so bad but thought I would ask you my friends if anyone else notices this. Thank you and Happy Belated Thanksgiving. Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EBay Server issues?????
Don wrote: One of 2 things are going on Can I add #3 to that List? That the malicious activity of which you complain originates not from eBay and its servers but from a malicious agent that has installed itself in (infected) your computer and/or server. This is a far more likely explanation, sad to say. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Don Merchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John.L.Cabassi [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Don Merchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EBay Server issues? Thanks List for your input on this. At least now I know it's not my imagination. One thing I did want to note and of which has just started happening, is that when I go to the EBay Site (not even logging on yet) my CA virus/spyware/website inspector security pops up with a red stop sign warning that this is a dangerous site This has NEVER happened. One of 2 things are going on1. EBay's server is tracking your comp via cookies/cache or 2. hackers are tapping into the EBay Servers and thus following your comps where abouts via EBay. Please be careful, complain to EBay that it takes forever to load a page and change your password frequently. I know my meteorite search on EBay has been very very sour for the last 2 months because of this, so I hope something can be done soon. Be careful. Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: John.L.Cabassi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EBay Server issues? G'Day Don You're not alone in this. Several months ago, I had problems, I even vented to Mike Farmer in regards to issues and also to eBay, never got a response back from ebay. Possibly because of the way I vented to them. At the time, the problems I was having was that exactly at 17 seconds on a bid, I would be bumped off the site and have to sign in again, but the auction was over. I had a tech check it out and it was definitely a problem with ebay. But I've also noticed over the last month pages are also taking a long time to load up and worse yet, if you're bidding on something, usually the first refresh takes 3 seconds. But as you keep refreshing, the pages are taking up to 30 seconds. So as for bidding on ebay, I've given up. It's a lost cause. Cheers Johnno - Original Message - From: Don Merchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Don Merchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] EBay Server issues? Hi List. Has anybody noticed that when you are on EBay searching for anything including meteorites that the pages load up slower and slower the longer you are on EBay! I am so frustrated that I want to head butt a 15kg Iron Meteorite!! At first I thought it was my computer but I have 7 Comps.3 PC's and 4 laptops and the same thing occurs! I then of course cleaned out my cache and temp files and STILL after a few minutes on EBay checking out the meteorite pages the pages slowly get longer and longer to load up and I MEAN LONG. Sometimes up to a minute or 2!! I have had a few friends say they too have noticed this with EBay on their comps. This has been going on now for several months! I have just complained to EBay that I feel they have server issues. Nevermind to tell me it's Xmas time and people are overloading EBay since I have noticed this long before Xmas time. My server is high speed internet so it is not my server. Now when I get off the EBay Site to any other Site runs fast as lightning. This is seriously ruining my search of items particularly meteorites on EBay. I want to vent out so bad but thought I would ask you my friends if anyone else notices this. Thank you and Happy Belated Thanksgiving. Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EBay Server issues?????
Hi Sterling and List. Very good point! This may be true with other members on the List and their comps. As far as my comp I have used a very decent anti-virus program/spam/Trojan ect protector. I have also (with my main security protection temporarily disabled) used 2 other program that seek, destroy, and quarantine any malicious type cookie followers, cache trackers and virus/Trojan files. My computer has come up totally clean. I hope others will take your thoughts on this seriously and check their comps as well. Thank you Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Don Merchant [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John.L.Cabassi [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Don Merchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EBay Server issues? Don wrote: One of 2 things are going on Can I add #3 to that List? That the malicious activity of which you complain originates not from eBay and its servers but from a malicious agent that has installed itself in (infected) your computer and/or server. This is a far more likely explanation, sad to say. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Don Merchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John.L.Cabassi [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Don Merchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EBay Server issues? Thanks List for your input on this. At least now I know it's not my imagination. One thing I did want to note and of which has just started happening, is that when I go to the EBay Site (not even logging on yet) my CA virus/spyware/website inspector security pops up with a red stop sign warning that this is a dangerous site This has NEVER happened. One of 2 things are going on1. EBay's server is tracking your comp via cookies/cache or 2. hackers are tapping into the EBay Servers and thus following your comps where abouts via EBay. Please be careful, complain to EBay that it takes forever to load a page and change your password frequently. I know my meteorite search on EBay has been very very sour for the last 2 months because of this, so I hope something can be done soon. Be careful. Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: John.L.Cabassi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EBay Server issues? G'Day Don You're not alone in this. Several months ago, I had problems, I even vented to Mike Farmer in regards to issues and also to eBay, never got a response back from ebay. Possibly because of the way I vented to them. At the time, the problems I was having was that exactly at 17 seconds on a bid, I would be bumped off the site and have to sign in again, but the auction was over. I had a tech check it out and it was definitely a problem with ebay. But I've also noticed over the last month pages are also taking a long time to load up and worse yet, if you're bidding on something, usually the first refresh takes 3 seconds. But as you keep refreshing, the pages are taking up to 30 seconds. So as for bidding on ebay, I've given up. It's a lost cause. Cheers Johnno - Original Message - From: Don Merchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Don Merchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] EBay Server issues? Hi List. Has anybody noticed that when you are on EBay searching for anything including meteorites that the pages load up slower and slower the longer you are on EBay! I am so frustrated that I want to head butt a 15kg Iron Meteorite!! At first I thought it was my computer but I have 7 Comps.3 PC's and 4 laptops and the same thing occurs! I then of course cleaned out my cache and temp files and STILL after a few minutes on EBay checking out the meteorite pages the pages slowly get longer and longer to load up and I MEAN LONG. Sometimes up to a minute or 2!! I have had a few friends say they too have noticed this with EBay on their comps. This has been going on now for several months! I have just complained to EBay that I feel they have server issues. Nevermind to tell me it's Xmas time and people are overloading EBay since I have noticed this long before Xmas time. My server is high speed internet so it is not my server. Now when I get off the EBay Site to any other Site runs fast as lightning. This is seriously ruining my search of items particularly meteorites on EBay. I want to vent out so bad but thought I would ask you my friends if anyone else notices this. Thank you and Happy Belated Thanksgiving. Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] Marsden Canadian fall/first sedimentary meteorite??
Hi All, Looks like the Canadian meteorite might be the first sedimentary ever found eh :-) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/My-pet-Rock-found-south-east-of-Lone-Rock-Saskatchewan_W0QQitemZ260324758120QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_2?hash=item260324758120_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72%3A1301%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 Graham Ensor UK Rob Matson wrote: Hi All, One aspect of this new Canadian fall amuses me in particular. In the original report, we had quite a few facts about the bolide: SASKATOON - A fireball that lit up the skies of Alberta and Saskatchewan last Thursday evening was a chunk of low-flying asteroid that weighed about 10 tonnes before it struck Earth's atmosphere, according to a University of Calgary investigation. University of Calgary researcher Alan Hildebrand has outlined a region in western Saskatchewan where he expects to find desk-sized fragments of the space rock. Of course, these first two paragraphs are quite inconsistent with each other -- a bolide that weighed only 10 tonnes *before* it hit the atmosphere would be the size of a SINGLE desk. That's prior to atmospheric ablation, which certainly would have reduced the mass by 70-90%. How do you find desk-sized fragments on the ground following ablation of a single desk-sized original object? The fireball pierced the atmosphere at a steep angle of about 60 degrees off the horizontal and lasted about five seconds. The steep entry angle suggests catastrophic break-up into many pieces -- most of them small compared to the size of the original meteoroid. Obviously not desk-sized or even television-sized. Mind you, it's still an impressive fall. But I don't understand the need for hyperbole. How quickly people forget that we had an asteroid of KNOWN size (to within a factor of two) and orbit that entered over Sudan at a lower initial velocity and a much shallower angle, and yet officials poo-pooed that anything significant would reach the ground. This asteroid was at least 40 tons and quite possibly over 100 tons, had an orbit that intersected that of Mars (suggesting a possible SNC), and impacted in a location that would have been child's play to recover -- if it weren't for the minor matter of its landing in a third-world, genocidal disaster area of a country. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the Sudan fall went off the radar almost immediately, yet was a far more substantial and scientifically important fall. But it seems not even meteorites are immune from sectionalism. -Rob __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1810 - Release Date: 24/11/2008 14:36 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Marsden Canadian fall/first sedimentary meteorite??
It was only a matter of time for someone to try to pass off a fake meteorite from this fall. --- On Mon, 12/1/08, ensoramanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ensoramanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Marsden Canadian fall/first sedimentary meteorite?? To: Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 5:17 PM Hi All, Looks like the Canadian meteorite might be the first sedimentary ever found eh :-) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/My-pet-Rock-found-south-east-of-Lone-Rock-Saskatchewan_W0QQitemZ260324758120QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_2?hash=item260324758120_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72%3A1301%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 Graham Ensor UK Rob Matson wrote: Hi All, One aspect of this new Canadian fall amuses me in particular. In the original report, we had quite a few facts about the bolide: SASKATOON - A fireball that lit up the skies of Alberta and Saskatchewan last Thursday evening was a chunk of low-flying asteroid that weighed about 10 tonnes before it struck Earth's atmosphere, according to a University of Calgary investigation. University of Calgary researcher Alan Hildebrand has outlined a region in western Saskatchewan where he expects to find desk-sized fragments of the space rock. Of course, these first two paragraphs are quite inconsistent with each other -- a bolide that weighed only 10 tonnes *before* it hit the atmosphere would be the size of a SINGLE desk. That's prior to atmospheric ablation, which certainly would have reduced the mass by 70-90%. How do you find desk-sized fragments on the ground following ablation of a single desk-sized original object? The fireball pierced the atmosphere at a steep angle of about 60 degrees off the horizontal and lasted about five seconds. The steep entry angle suggests catastrophic break-up into many pieces -- most of them small compared to the size of the original meteoroid. Obviously not desk-sized or even television-sized. Mind you, it's still an impressive fall. But I don't understand the need for hyperbole. How quickly people forget that we had an asteroid of KNOWN size (to within a factor of two) and orbit that entered over Sudan at a lower initial velocity and a much shallower angle, and yet officials poo-pooed that anything significant would reach the ground. This asteroid was at least 40 tons and quite possibly over 100 tons, had an orbit that intersected that of Mars (suggesting a possible SNC), and impacted in a location that would have been child's play to recover -- if it weren't for the minor matter of its landing in a third-world, genocidal disaster area of a country. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the Sudan fall went off the radar almost immediately, yet was a far more substantial and scientifically important fall. But it seems not even meteorites are immune from sectionalism. -Rob __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1810 - Release Date: 24/11/2008 14:36 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NEW Olivine Diogenite - NWA 4223 - AD
Dear List Members, It is my pleasure to announce a NEW Olivine Diogenite, NWA 4223, the third member of this exclusive group. It took me three years to get to this point of first public offering so you know the science has been done! It has a TKW of just 329 grams and is very course-grained. I managed through eBay's site, so you can find all of the available material and Official classification of NWA 4223 with the Buy it Now feature here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault In addition to these rare specimens, I have also listed these, most at reduced prices for the holidays: NWA 1878 Mesosiderite (Fantastic etch!) NWA 1879 Mesosiderite NWA 2932 Mesosiderite NWA 869 L4-6 1kg Lot NWA 3118 CV3 100g Lot NWA 3151 Brachinite Thin Section NWA 4528 H5 500g Lot Unclassified 2kg Lot Chergach Individual 92.1g (99% crusted) Chergach Individual 64.1g (100% crusted) Gao Individual 154g (from Haag Collection) Glorieta Pallasite Individual 13.7g Muonionalusta End Cut 76.9g (starts at just 99 cents) Thank you for checking out what I have to offer, I appreciate it! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW Olivine Diogenite - NWA 4223 - AD
Hi list members, For those who are interested in thin sections. Greg has been kind enough to (previously) lend me the NWA 3151 Brachinite that he has for sale. My micrograph article in Meteorite Times December is on this thin section. I felt obliged to say it is a wonderful sample prepared splendidly! I worked with it up to a magnification of 760X with great results. If you are thinking of adding a thin to your collection, I would recommend this one and check out the article. Bernd Pauli has provided me with three excellent wide field cross polarized light micrographs that are also included. Tom Phillips In a message dated 12/1/2008 4:36:02 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear List Members, It is my pleasure to announce a NEW Olivine Diogenite, NWA 4223, the third member of this exclusive group. It took me three years to get to this point of first public offering so you know the science has been done! It has a TKW of just 329 grams and is very course-grained. I managed through eBay's site, so you can find all of the available material and Official classification of NWA 4223 with the Buy it Now feature here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault In addition to these rare specimens, I have also listed these, most at reduced prices for the holidays: NWA 1878 Mesosiderite (Fantastic etch!) NWA 1879 Mesosiderite NWA 2932 Mesosiderite NWA 869 L4-6 1kg Lot NWA 3118 CV3 100g Lot NWA 3151 Brachinite Thin Section NWA 4528 H5 500g Lot Unclassified 2kg Lot Chergach Individual 92.1g (99% crusted) Chergach Individual 64.1g (100% crusted) Gao Individual 154g (from Haag Collection) Glorieta Pallasite Individual 13.7g Muonionalusta End Cut 76.9g (starts at just 99 cents) Thank you for checking out what I have to offer, I appreciate it! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - November 13-20, 2008
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#spirit SPIRIT UPDATE: Serious but Stable - sol 1730-1736, November 14 - November 20, 2008: Spirit's condition has improved during the past week, though skies remain fairly dusty after the recent Martian dust storm. Since sol 1730 (Nov. 14, 2008), solar-array energy has averaged 169 watt-hours (100 watt-hours is the amount of energy needed to light a 100-watt bulb for 1 hour). The latest measurement of atmospheric darkness caused by dust, known as Tau, is 0.858. The dust factor, representing the portion of sunlight penetrating the coating of dust on the solar panels, is 0.2912. Spirit performed a cursory check of the health of the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. After three nights with the spectrometer's heaters disabled, the instrument appeared to be undamaged as of sol 1730. Power is not yet sufficient to re-enable those heaters, though Spirit will continue to monitor the spectrometer while waiting for power to improve. For the most part, Spirit is limiting activities to those necessary for maintaining engineering health and safety. Spirit endured another challenge when new commands from Earth for sol 1734 (Nov. 18, 2008) did not arrive. At that point, Spirit began to execute a backup set of activities known as a runout plan. On Earth, engineers created a new sequence of commands for sol 1736 (Nov. 20, 2008) to manage communications and preserve power. Meanwhile, they are investigating why Spirit did not receive their previous commands. According to the latest Martian weather report for Nov. 15 (sol 1731), skies are expected to continue to clear during the next couple of weeks. No other storms have been identified within a couple of thousand kilometers of Spirit's location. Spirit is preparing for solar conjunction, where the Sun is between Earth and Mars, preventing communications. This period begins Nov. 29th. Before and during solar conjunction, Spirit's activities will remain conservative as the rover waits for the skies to clear and for the power situation to improve. Sol-by-sol summary In addition to measuring dust-related changes in atmospheric opacity with the panoramic camera, Spirit completed the following activities: Sol 1730 (Nov. 14, 2008): Spirit observed the sky briefly with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. Sol 1731: Spirit rested and soaked up the Sun's rays to recharge the batteries. Sol 1732: Spirit rested and soaked up the Sun's rays to recharge the batteries. Sol 1733: Spirit rested and soaked up the Sun's rays to recharge the batteries. Sol 1734: Spirit completed basic activities in the runout plan. Sol 1735: Spirit completed basic activities in the runout plan. Sol 1736 (Nov. 20, 2008): Spirit completed basic activities in the runout plan. Odometry: As of sol 1736 (Nov. 20, 2008), Spirits total odometry was 7,529.02 meters (4.68 miles). OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Opportunity Prepares for Two Weeks of Independent Study - sol 1709-1715, November 13-19, 2008: Opportunity is getting ready for solar conjunction, the time when the Sun is in the line of sight between Earth and Mars. During this two-week period, from Nov. 30, 2008 to Dec. 13, 2008, the mission team will not send new commands to the rover. The science team plans to position Opportunity on a rock outcrop, possibly near a cobble the rover can study with the Moessbauer spectrometer, during this time interval. Opportunity began the week with a 93-meter (310-foot) drive on Sol 1709 (Nov. 13, 2008). The drive allowed the rover to reach a large expanse of bare outcrop. Another drive on Sol 1710 (Nov. 14, 2008), covering 17 meters (56 feet), placed the rover near potential targets of scientific interest. A candidate target, a cobble about 8 meters (30 feet) away, became the objective of the drive on Sol 1713 (Nov. 17, 2008). The 8-meter drive positioned the cobble, now nicknamed Santorini, within the work volume of the science instruments on Opportunity's robotic arm. The challenge for the team was the placement of the science instruments on Santorini using only 4 degrees of freedom of the robotic arm instead of the usual 6. The rover is not able to change the azimuth of the shoulder joint, that is, move it from side to side, because the shoulder azimuth joint (Joint 1) is disabled due to degraded performance. On Sol 1714 (Nov. 18, 2008), Opportunity successfully placed the Moessbauer spectrometer on a faceted surface of the cobble. The contact switches on the instrument confirmed that the spectrometer had touched the surface. An analysis by the spectrometer is now under way. Rover operators plan to have Opportunity integrate Moessbauer measurements of Santorini for the two-week period of solar conjunction. Opportunity is acquiring a panorama of images using multiple filters of the panoramic camera and making daily observations of atmospheric dust as well as measuring
[meteorite-list] Dawn Journal - November 26, 2008
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/journal_11_26_08.asp Dawn Journal Dr. Marc Rayman November 26, 2008 Dear Indawnviduals, The Dawn spacecraft is healthy and on course for its flyby of Mars early next year. The planet's gravity will help boost the probe on its way to rendezvous with Vesta. While the spacecraft has its sights set on the asteroid belt (via Mars), its path is now bringing it closer to Earth. Meanwhile, from Earth's perspective, Dawn appears to be approaching a blindingly close encounter with the Sun. With so much happening in the solar system, all readers, whether local or not, are invited to turn their attention here. In the last log, we saw that Dawn was nearing the end of an extended period of thrusting with is ion propulsion system that began on December 17, 2007. When it left Earth on September 27, 2007, the Delta II rocket deposited the spacecraft into a carefully chosen orbit around the Sun. By October 31, 2008, the spacecraft had completed the thrusting it needed to change that orbit so it would encounter Mars at just the right time, location, and angle to sling it on its way to Vesta. During this interplanetary cruise phase, Dawn thrust for 270 days, or 85% of the time. Expending less than 72 kilograms (158 pounds) of xenon propellant, the spacecraft changed its speed by about 1.81 kilometers per second (4050 miles per hour). Although controlling an interplanetary probe across hundreds of millions of kilometers (or miles) of deep space and guiding it accurately enough to reach its remote destination seems as if it should be a very simple task, readers may be surprised to know that it is not. Let's consider just one aspect of the problem. Suppose you want to shoot an arrow at a target. Unlike typical archers, you are so far from the target that you can only barely see it. In that case, aiming for the bull's-eye is essentially out of the question. Adding to the problem may be a variable breeze that could nudge the arrow off course. Shooting sufficiently accurately to get the arrow even to the vicinity of the target would be challenging enough; hitting the precise point you want on the target is just too difficult. For readers who are principally interested in archery, this concludes our in-depth analysis of the sport. Now let's consider how to change the situation to make it more similar to an interplanetary mission. If the arrow had a tiny radio locator mounted on it, you would be able monitor its progress as it flew closer to the target. This would be like watching it on a radar screen. You might see your arrow miss the target entirely or, if you had made a particularly good shot, hit somewhere on it. Now if you could occasionally send a signal to the arrow, perhaps to change the angles of the feathers, you might not be able to alter its course drastically, but you could change it a little. So if your initial shot had been good enough, you could guide the arrow to the desired destination. (To buy your radio controlled archery set, visit the Dawn gift shop on your planet. The set may be found between the display case with xenon ion beam jewelry and the shelves and shelves and shelves and shelves of really cool new Dawn Journal reader action figures -- be sure to buy the one that looks just like you!) Shooting the arrow is akin to launching a spacecraft, and its flight to the target represents the interplanetary journey, although operating a spacecraft involves far greater precision (and fun!). Our knowledge of where the spacecraft is and where it is heading is amazingly, fantastically, incredibly accurate, but it is not perfect. This point is essential. Keeping most spacecraft on course is a matter of frequently recalculating the position, speed, and direction of travel and then occasionally fine-tuning the trajectory through burns of the propulsion system. Dawn's near-constant use of its advanced ion propulsion system for most of 2008 changes the story, but only a little. The thrust plan was calculated before launch and then updated once our arrow was free of the bow. Throughout the interplanetary cruise phase, a new thrust plan was transmitted to the spacecraft about every 5 weeks, each time with slight updates to account for the latest calculations of Dawn's orbit around the Sun. With this method, the small adjustments to the trajectory have been incorporated into the large, preplanned changes. The mission control team requires about 5 weeks to design, develop, check, double-check, transmit, and activate a 5-week set of commands. By the time the spacecraft is executing the final part of those instructions, it is following a flight plan that is based on information from 10 weeks earlier. During most of the mission, when there are months or even years of thrusting ahead of it, subsequent opportunities to adjust the trajectory are plentiful. In contrast, for the last period of preplanned thrusting before Mars, controllers modified their normal process for
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW Olivine Diogenite - NWA 4223 - AD
Hello Tom and List, I would suggest that you check out the fantastic NWA 5471 brachinite that Martin and Stefan are selling for a VERY REASONABLE price; more than 2 grams of the material instead of a thin section (you can make your own thin sections- several). Thank you Martin and Stefan for your very generous price for such a rare classification. Dirk Ross...Tokyo http://www.meteoritesjapan.com http://www.insekijapan.com --- On Tue, 12/2/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NEW Olivine Diogenite - NWA 4223 - AD To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 9:23 AM Hi list members, For those who are interested in thin sections. Greg has been kind enough to (previously) lend me the NWA 3151 Brachinite that he has for sale. My micrograph article in Meteorite Times December is on this thin section. I felt obliged to say it is a wonderful sample prepared splendidly! I worked with it up to a magnification of 760X with great results. If you are thinking of adding a thin to your collection, I would recommend this one and check out the article. Bernd Pauli has provided me with three excellent wide field cross polarized light micrographs that are also included. Tom Phillips In a message dated 12/1/2008 4:36:02 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear List Members, It is my pleasure to announce a NEW Olivine Diogenite, NWA 4223, the third member of this exclusive group. It took me three years to get to this point of first public offering so you know the science has been done! It has a TKW of just 329 grams and is very course-grained. I managed through eBay's site, so you can find all of the available material and Official classification of NWA 4223 with the Buy it Now feature here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault In addition to these rare specimens, I have also listed these, most at reduced prices for the holidays: NWA 1878 Mesosiderite (Fantastic etch!) NWA 1879 Mesosiderite NWA 2932 Mesosiderite NWA 869 L4-6 1kg Lot NWA 3118 CV3 100g Lot NWA 3151 Brachinite Thin Section NWA 4528 H5 500g Lot Unclassified 2kg Lot Chergach Individual 92.1g (99% crusted) Chergach Individual 64.1g (100% crusted) Gao Individual 154g (from Haag Collection) Glorieta Pallasite Individual 13.7g Muonionalusta End Cut 76.9g (starts at just 99 cents) Thank you for checking out what I have to offer, I appreciate it! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 25% - 35% of any Ebay Buy-it-Now auction
This is not the easiest progream to use, it may take up to 60 days to get your money back but it's 25% - 35% off... Up to $200 an item and $2500 per person!!! Iit's only for USA customers that end Buy-it-Now items and you have to pay with PayPal I have already saved $119 on 2 items Details can be found here http://pages.ebay.com/cashbackoffer/terms.html Basically it goes like this... You need to got to www.live.com Do a search, I just did one for 'xbox' it really doesn't matter what you search for... Now look at the search results (up by the top in the sponsored links section) should be a link to Ebay... Click that link Now log into Ebay Now at the top of your Ebay screen there should be a green Microsoft Cashback logo with a red percent off banner on the right side Now do a search for ANYTHING you want it's doesn't have to be M$ related, click on the buy it now auctions and find one you like... Again you can search Ebay for anything at this point once you active the M$ session... To test availability you need to click the BIN button like you are purchasing it , now if there are more then one available it should take you to the next page where you choose the quantity the Microsoft Cashback logo should be on this screen as well under the quantity, click continue (notice it says you will confirm the purchase on the next page under the continue button) on the next page it will show you your cashback amount and you can purchase or exit out... Pay attention if there is only one of the items available there there is NO continue page just the commit to buy, don't click that unless you are ready to purchase! In either case verify the logo is on the purchase page to make sure it works on that auction... Be sure to follow the next steps after the purchase you need to setup an MS account and sorts or use your existing MS account so you get credited... Paypal is supposed to refund you the cash right back into your Paypal account within 60 days... After your purchase if you want to use the coupon again, you need to go back to step one to activate a new MS Cashback session for additional savings... You can do this 12 times! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Brachinites NWA 4882
Hello Dirk and List, Dirk, since you would like to promote brachinite material, here is a little insight you may not be aware of: NWA 4882 Brachinite (unpaired) - I have made private sales several months PRIOR to Martin's public offering, at much less than their great price per gram. I know MY customers are very happy with their greatly discounted rate! I simply do not have time to offer all of the different and new meteorites I have at one time publicly, AND I am not trying to interfer with their sales, but since Dirk brought this out in what I perceive in a negative tone, here is one heck of a Brachinite for serious collections: Click here to view complete slice of NWA 4882 measuring 130mm wide! http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4882/nwa4882slice.jpg Click here to view complete NWA 4882 stone before cutting: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4882/nwa4882.jpg Click here to view close-up of polished NWA 4882 matrix: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4882/nwa4882closeup.jpg Official Classification: Northwest Africa 4882 Algeria Find: July 2007 Achondrite (brachinite) History: Purchased by Greg Hupé in July 2007 from a dealer in Tagounite, Morocco. Physical characteristics: Two dense, dark brown, broken rounded stones (2891 g and 206 g) with weathered fusion crust on some original exterior surfaces and thin desert varnish coatings on hackly broken surfaces. Petrography: (A. Irving and S. Kuehner, UWS) Coarse-grained rock (mostly 0.2-0.8 mm) with protogranular texture, composed predominantly of olivine with subordinate green, Cr-bearing diopside, K-poor plagioclase, chromite, iron sulfide, and kamacite (partially altered to iron hydroxides). Plagioclase is interstitial to mafic silicates and is heterogeneous in distribution. Very fine-grained (2-10 µm), polyphase assemblages composed mostly of orthopyroxene, Ni-bearing pyrrhotite and Ni-free metal with variable amounts of fayalite and chromite occur around larger pyrrhotite grains within olivine, and also as small, isolated apparent inclusions within olivine. Geochemistry: Olivine (Fa35.0-35.2, FeO/MnO = 70.9-71.3), clinopyroxene (Fs9.3Wo47.1, FeO/MnO = 38.6, Cr2O3 = 0.76wt%, Al2O3 = 1.05 wt%), plagioclase (An32.1- 37.6Or0.3-0.5), chromite [Cr/(Cr + Al) = 0.717, Mg/(Mg + Fe) = 0.239, TiO2 = 0.71 wt%, ZnO = 0.30 wt%]. Oxygen isotopes: (D. Rumble, CIW) Replicate analyses of acid-washed silicate material by laser fluorination gave, respectively, δ18O = 2.064, 2.095; δ17O = 4.368, 4.455; Δ17O = -0.234, -0.248 per mil. Classification: Achondrite (brachinite). Specimens: A total of 20.4 g of sample and one polished thin section are on deposit at UWS. GHupé holds the main mass (actually now in a private collection). I sent this to a professional cutter who used a wire saw and cut these at 3mm thick and polished to a high luster. If you want a large museum quality specimen at an even BETTER rate, be sure to contact me off list. I have already placed over half of this material into large collections, which only leaves 15 slices and the 206g fragment. Half are the larger slices like the one featured above. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NEW Olivine Diogenite - NWA 4223 - AD Hello Tom and List, I would suggest that you check out the fantastic NWA 5471 brachinite that Martin and Stefan are selling for a VERY REASONABLE price; more than 2 grams of the material instead of a thin section (you can make your own thin sections- several). Thank you Martin and Stefan for your very generous price for such a rare classification. Dirk Ross...Tokyo http://www.meteoritesjapan.com http://www.insekijapan.com --- On Tue, 12/2/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NEW Olivine Diogenite - NWA 4223 - AD To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 9:23 AM Hi list members, For those who are interested in thin sections. Greg has been kind enough to (previously) lend me the NWA 3151 Brachinite that he has for sale. My micrograph article in Meteorite Times December is on this thin section. I felt obliged to say it is a wonderful sample prepared splendidly! I worked with it up to a magnification of 760X with great results. If you are thinking of adding a thin to your collection, I would recommend this one and check out the article. Bernd Pauli has provided me with three excellent wide field cross polarized light micrographs that are also included. Tom Phillips In a message dated 12/1/2008
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay issues of late
Hi Folks! Speaking strictly as a buyer, I dislike eBay's new look and interface. I've been on eBay as a member since 1999 and I have witnessed all of the changes eBay has been through over the years - the good and the bad. I find eBay's new look runs slower than previous incarnations and it annoys me alot. Search results take longer to appear, regardless of how you display or sort them. And it's now more tedious to select and deselect search criteria. I also dislike the masking of bidder's identities. I like to know who I am bidding against, and this is another change that makes eBay more faceless and anonymous. The sense of community that early eBay had is long gone, IMO. FWIW, in almost 10 years on eBay (and about 7 on PayPal), I have never had any virus or scam issues. Sure, I get the typical crude phishing email attempts every so often, but who doesn't? My mother gets PayPal phishing emails and she doesn't even use PayPal. I think this recent new trend of eBay tripping off firewalls is related to increased data gathering on eBay's part, and not part of any overtly malicious agenda. It's intrusive, but it's mostly harmless. Today's advanced antispyware and firewall software is much more sensitive to threats than it used to be, and that adds to the problem. I'm not discounting anyone else's experiences to the contrary. I'm just saying my PC has never been attacked with a virus or malware coming from eBay or PayPal in 10 years of frequent usage. The old saying of if it isn't broke, don't fix it applies here to eBay. IMO, the look and interface of eBay was fine before this last round of changes. I don't see any improvements, and it makes me look at the eBay experience as a chore now, and not a pleasure - like it used to be years ago. I'd much rather deal directly with my fellow list members off eBay, than use the eBay interface anyway. It's more personal, it's friendlier, and it's cheaper for everyone involved. Regards and clear skies, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] sikote-alins
Hi all.I have added 1.3 kilo's of sikote-alins to my collection,bringing my total to 7.5 kilo's or 50 iron individuals.Most of them from jim strope who bar none,sells the best sikote-alins I have ever seen.I saw bob evans this weekend,and even he said,with all my different collecting changes,that this one has made the most sence.Thanks for the compliment bob.LIKE MONEY IN THE BANK!I hope to be adding more soon.Thanks for all the great deals jim. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bonhams Auction Issue
Dear List Members, I have been receiving disturbing emails and phone calls about a specimen entered in the Bonhams' Natural History Auction. The piece in question is lot #1124. The 90.6 gram weight of this single rock claimed to be NWA 4880 outweighs the entire Total Known Weight of NWA 4880 entered in the Meteoritical Bulletin. I appreciate IMCA members and scientists reporting this to me but this is not my stone and I do not want to engage in pairing issues which are up to scientists to determine, not me. No, I did not add more stones to the NWA 4880 designation as some are accusing. This stone is not NWA 4880 and I did not provide it to the seller or Bonhams. I was sold out long ago on this material and this piece did not come from the Hupe Collection. Please direct your complaints to Bonhams as this is not my auction. This issue is between perspective buyers and the seller of this stone and not me so please direct your inquiries elsewhere. Here is a link to the auction in question: http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USAscreen=lotdetailsNoFlashiSaleItemNo=4147630iSaleNo=16155iSaleSectionNo=1 Here is the meteoritical bulletin entry: http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=45804 I am not trying to start something here, just making it clear that this stone did not come from my collection and is not NWA 4880 as I handled every genuine piece of this material as did the scientists who studied it. Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bonhams Auction Issue
Dear List Members, I have been receiving disturbing emails and phone calls about a specimen entered in the Bonhams' Natural History Auction. The piece in question is lot #1124. The 90.6 gram weight of this single rock claimed to be NWA 4880 outweighs the entire Total Known Weight of NWA 4880 entered in the Meteoritical Bulletin. I appreciate IMCA members and scientists reporting this to me but this is not my stone and I do not want to engage in pairing issues which are up to scientists to determine, not me. No, I did not add more stones to the NWA 4880 designation as some are accusing. This stone is not NWA 4880 and I did not provide it to the seller or Bonhams. I was sold out long ago on this material and this piece did not come from the Hupe Collection. Please direct your complaints to Bonhams as this is not my auction. This issue is between perspective buyers and the seller of this stone and not me so please direct your inquiries elsewhere. Here is a link to the auction in question: http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USAscreen=lotdetailsNoFlashiSaleItemNo=4147630iSaleNo=16155iSaleSectionNo=1 Here is the meteoritical bulletin entry: http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=45804 I am not trying to start something here, just making it clear that this stone did not come from my collection and is not NWA 4880 as I handled every genuine piece of this material as did the scientists who studied it. Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Brachinites NWA 4882
Greg and List, Greg, Thank you for the offer. I was unaware that you were selling it earlier at a discount rate. The post today was the first that I heard that you had some new brachinite. Beautiful meteorite!!! Great Job on cutting and polishing it. Best Regards, Dirk...Tokyo Nothing negative was meant by my post. Sorry you felt so. --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Brachinites NWA 4882 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 10:18 AM Hello Dirk and List, Dirk, since you would like to promote brachinite material, here is a little insight you may not be aware of: NWA 4882 Brachinite (unpaired) - I have made private sales several months PRIOR to Martin's public offering, at much less than their great price per gram. I know MY customers are very happy with their greatly discounted rate! I simply do not have time to offer all of the different and new meteorites I have at one time publicly, AND I am not trying to interfer with their sales, but since Dirk brought this out in what I perceive in a negative tone, here is one heck of a Brachinite for serious collections: Click here to view complete slice of NWA 4882 measuring 130mm wide! http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4882/nwa4882slice.jpg Click here to view complete NWA 4882 stone before cutting: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4882/nwa4882.jpg Click here to view close-up of polished NWA 4882 matrix: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4882/nwa4882closeup.jpg Official Classification: Northwest Africa 4882 Algeria Find: July 2007 Achondrite (brachinite) History: Purchased by Greg Hupé in July 2007 from a dealer in Tagounite, Morocco. Physical characteristics: Two dense, dark brown, broken rounded stones (2891 g and 206 g) with weathered fusion crust on some original exterior surfaces and thin desert varnish coatings on hackly broken surfaces. Petrography: (A. Irving and S. Kuehner, UWS) Coarse-grained rock (mostly 0.2-0.8 mm) with protogranular texture, composed predominantly of olivine with subordinate green, Cr-bearing diopside, K-poor plagioclase, chromite, iron sulfide, and kamacite (partially altered to iron hydroxides). Plagioclase is interstitial to mafic silicates and is heterogeneous in distribution. Very fine-grained (2-10 µm), polyphase assemblages composed mostly of orthopyroxene, Ni-bearing pyrrhotite and Ni-free metal with variable amounts of fayalite and chromite occur around larger pyrrhotite grains within olivine, and also as small, isolated apparent inclusions within olivine. Geochemistry: Olivine (Fa35.0-35.2, FeO/MnO = 70.9-71.3), clinopyroxene (Fs9.3Wo47.1, FeO/MnO = 38.6, Cr2O3 = 0.76wt%, Al2O3 = 1.05 wt%), plagioclase (An32.1- 37.6Or0.3-0.5), chromite [Cr/(Cr + Al) = 0.717, Mg/(Mg + Fe) = 0.239, TiO2 = 0.71 wt%, ZnO = 0.30 wt%]. Oxygen isotopes: (D. Rumble, CIW) Replicate analyses of acid-washed silicate material by laser fluorination gave, respectively, δ18O = 2.064, 2.095; δ17O = 4.368, 4.455; Δ17O = -0.234, -0.248 per mil. Classification: Achondrite (brachinite). Specimens: A total of 20.4 g of sample and one polished thin section are on deposit at UWS. GHupé holds the main mass (actually now in a private collection). I sent this to a professional cutter who used a wire saw and cut these at 3mm thick and polished to a high luster. If you want a large museum quality specimen at an even BETTER rate, be sure to contact me off list. I have already placed over half of this material into large collections, which only leaves 15 slices and the 206g fragment. Half are the larger slices like the one featured above. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NEW Olivine Diogenite - NWA 4223 - AD Hello Tom and List, I would suggest that you check out the fantastic NWA 5471 brachinite that Martin and Stefan are selling for a VERY REASONABLE price; more than 2 grams of the material instead of a thin section (you can make your own thin sections- several). Thank you Martin and Stefan for your very generous price for such a rare classification. Dirk Ross...Tokyo http://www.meteoritesjapan.com http://www.insekijapan.com --- On Tue, 12/2/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL
Re: [meteorite-list] Bonhams Auction Issue
My bad. The caption should have been written to state that the specimen is paired with 4880, as was reported to me by the seller. Sincerely, Darryl On Dec 1, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: Dear List Members, I have been receiving disturbing emails and phone calls about a specimen entered in the Bonhams' Natural History Auction. The piece in question is lot #1124. The 90.6 gram weight of this single rock claimed to be NWA 4880 outweighs the entire Total Known Weight of NWA 4880 entered in the Meteoritical Bulletin. I appreciate IMCA members and scientists reporting this to me but this is not my stone and I do not want to engage in pairing issues which are up to scientists to determine, not me. No, I did not add more stones to the NWA 4880 designation as some are accusing. This stone is not NWA 4880 and I did not provide it to the seller or Bonhams. I was sold out long ago on this material and this piece did not come from the Hupe Collection. Please direct your complaints to Bonhams as this is not my auction. This issue is between perspective buyers and the seller of this stone and not me so please direct your inquiries elsewhere. Here is a link to the auction in question: http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USAscreen=lotdetailsNoFlashiSaleItemNo=4147630iSaleNo=16155iSaleSectionNo=1 Here is the meteoritical bulletin entry: http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=45804 I am not trying to start something here, just making it clear that this stone did not come from my collection and is not NWA 4880 as I handled every genuine piece of this material as did the scientists who studied it. Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ebay is slow and it's everywhere
Hi folks, Just had to add my feelings on ebay here. I've been complaining for 6 months. The ebay reps are nice, but always say in their canned response: it must be your computer that is slow, since we haven't had any other complaints regarding our site! You should clean your cache and empty your files and run your virus protection. It's unfortunately the same old story from ebay and until we all stand up together and protest I don't think they're going to do anything about it. It might sound radical, but hey, we all need to contact them. I've had ebay go down while loading photos or just writing a listing. I've had to contact them because their site went down in the middle of loading a listing and then I had to start over and it somehow had saved the previous listing that I didn't even finish and then I had to cancel that and get a credit for it over this weekend. I have a 3.0-6.0 speed on my laptop and get on ebay at lunch at my office. Believe me, every single computer I use at my office has much faster speeds than here at home and every other website sails along smoothly, but ebay. I know it's ebay that is slow because with the office computers taking more than 10 seconds to go from one item to another. Write them or call them. They will be losing business and also losing business for us if people get fed up with trying to get on to ebay for our auctions. Brian Cox IMCA # 6387 ebay ID- searchingforfun __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay issues of late
ebay will be dead in 5 years. hi fees, no bad feedback, hidden identities, no recourse on bad paypal experiences, no phone support, etc., etc. a consolidated retro-fit of a not-yet formed craigslist-type site will be the new FREE venue. --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Michael Gilmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Gilmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay issues of late To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 8:21 PM Hi Folks! Speaking strictly as a buyer, I dislike eBay's new look and interface. I've been on eBay as a member since 1999 and I have witnessed all of the changes eBay has been through over the years - the good and the bad. I find eBay's new look runs slower than previous incarnations and it annoys me alot. Search results take longer to appear, regardless of how you display or sort them. And it's now more tedious to select and deselect search criteria. I also dislike the masking of bidder's identities. I like to know who I am bidding against, and this is another change that makes eBay more faceless and anonymous. The sense of community that early eBay had is long gone, IMO. FWIW, in almost 10 years on eBay (and about 7 on PayPal), I have never had any virus or scam issues. Sure, I get the typical crude phishing email attempts every so often, but who doesn't? My mother gets PayPal phishing emails and she doesn't even use PayPal. I think this recent new trend of eBay tripping off firewalls is related to increased data gathering on eBay's part, and not part of any overtly malicious agenda. It's intrusive, but it's mostly harmless. Today's advanced antispyware and firewall software is much more sensitive to threats than it used to be, and that adds to the problem. I'm not discounting anyone else's experiences to the contrary. I'm just saying my PC has never been attacked with a virus or malware coming from eBay or PayPal in 10 years of frequent usage. The old saying of if it isn't broke, don't fix it applies here to eBay. IMO, the look and interface of eBay was fine before this last round of changes. I don't see any improvements, and it makes me look at the eBay experience as a chore now, and not a pleasure - like it used to be years ago. I'd much rather deal directly with my fellow list members off eBay, than use the eBay interface anyway. It's more personal, it's friendlier, and it's cheaper for everyone involved. Regards and clear skies, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bonhams Auction Issue
And then there is Berduc, surprised to see that one in an IPO. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:29 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bonhams Auction Issue Dear List Members, I have been receiving disturbing emails and phone calls about a specimen entered in the Bonhams' Natural History Auction. The piece in question is lot #1124. The 90.6 gram weight of this single rock claimed to be NWA 4880 outweighs the entire Total Known Weight of NWA 4880 entered in the Meteoritical Bulletin. I appreciate IMCA members and scientists reporting this to me but this is not my stone and I do not want to engage in pairing issues which are up to scientists to determine, not me. No, I did not add more stones to the NWA 4880 designation as some are accusing. This stone is not NWA 4880 and I did not provide it to the seller or Bonhams. I was sold out long ago on this material and this piece did not come from the Hupe Collection. Please direct your complaints to Bonhams as this is not my auction. This issue is between perspective buyers and the seller of this stone and not me so please direct your inquiries elsewhere. Here is a link to the auction in question: http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USAscreen=lotdetailsNoFlashiSaleItemNo=4147630iSaleNo=16155iSaleSectionNo=1 Here is the meteoritical bulletin entry: http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=45804 I am not trying to start something here, just making it clear that this stone did not come from my collection and is not NWA 4880 as I handled every genuine piece of this material as did the scientists who studied it. Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 2, 2008
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