Re: [meteorite-list] PSA
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:17:13 -0700, you wrote: Hi all, The handsome visages of MarcFries, MichaelBross Todd Carter can now be seen at my Meteorite Friends Page at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html Am I the only one that suspects that Michael maintains an unpublicised Meteorite Enemies page-- shared with only an elect few-- that list the meteorite collectors he is less fond of? Or maybe a page of true enemies of meteorites-- I think I found it! http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/meteorite_enemies/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PSA
simply hilarious. It seems to me that uncle Lawrencite is missing though. Svend www.meteorite-recon.com On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:17:13 -0700, you wrote: Hi all, The handsome visages of MarcFries, MichaelBross Todd Carter can now be seen at my Meteorite Friends Page at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html Am I the only one that suspects that Michael maintains an unpublicised Meteorite Enemies page-- shared with only an elect few-- that list the meteorite collectors he is less fond of? Or maybe a page of true enemies of meteorites-- I think I found it! http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/meteorite_enemies/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- www.meteorite-recon.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Doppler radar signature from bolides
For various reasons including meteorite speed and cross section, plus radar scan patterns/rates, back scatter noise filtering software,etc. I don't believe the meteorite/meteoroid-proper is detected via doppler echos. Rather the train/cloud of silicate and iron oxide fog expanding to reach thermo-equilibrum in the cold atmosphere that mimics precipitation signatures. Elton --- On Wed, 3/11/09, McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com wrote: From: McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Doppler radar signature from bolides To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 2:26 PM Note that the stoney has a Specific gravity of 3.0 vs water's 1.0. Indeed, it should have an excellent reflection from radar. -mt Original Message From: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:58 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Doppler radar signature from bolides Hi - I wonder why such a small amount of material produced such a large doppler signature. Anyone have any guesses? E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Hammers Orientation
Ha! very good Martin, sounds just like something the European Commission would actually implement! Or ... we could just say, 'if the rock in question hit something other than the ground, then it's a hammer!?' Best, Mark -Original Message- From: imca-boun...@imcamail.de [mailto:imca-boun...@imcamail.de] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: 12 March 2009 00:54 To: i...@imcamail.de Subject: AW: [IMCA] Hammers Orientation Oki. Give me 20 minutes. But don't take it to seriously 1) A hammer is a single stone who hits and remarkably damages a man made object. Alpha) A damage is a change of the object which must be at least 2 inches in diameter and 1 inch deep, else it is beta) a scratch. In any case the damage or the scratch has to be recognizable with unaided eye. I) A man made object has to be at least 2 feet tall, else 2) the stone is a hitter. Is a man made object filled with more then 50% of its volume by liquids and if it owns the property of auto-motion - then I) is overruled and the man made object is Ib) a human or an other animal and the 1) and 2) is called 3) strucker if Ib) looses not more than 20% of its liquids and the property of auto-motion is not suspended for more than 110 years. Else 3) turns into 4) killer. If 4) happens but Ib) shows neither alpha) nor beta) It is a 5) blaster 1), 2), 3) 4) applies only on the very object which hits the very objects I) Ib) All other similar objects which fall from above in spatial and temporal adjacency, shall be identified furthermore by the suffix -ette. If 1) - 5) is subdivided into smaller entities, A) it has to be done under the surveillance of a lawyer and a member of the board of directors of the IMCA or the latter substituted by at least 3 full members, with the following conditions: - they shall not stem from the country of the fall - they shall not be related or related by marriage with the finder, the cutter, the owner nor the surveying lawyer. - they had and have to abstain from any commercial meteorite trades. B) the subdivided portions of the 19 -5) have to be numbered according a partition scheme (still to be defined by IMCA) and registered by IMCA. * any further partitition follows A) and B) Any 1) - 5) and alpha) and beta) has to be certified by and any hammerette, hitterette, struckerette, killerette and blasterette has to be certified by two regular lawyers of the county of the occurrence and has additionally to be testified by either the special hammer agent of IMCA or at least 3 regular members of IMCA with the same conditions like in A) and it has to be done within 5 days after the fall. From each hammer, hitter, strucker, killer and blaster 20% or 20g, whatever the larger amount is, has to be given for free to the treasurer of IMCA as deposit for references and commercial purposes. 20% or 20g of the strucked objects or humans or animals has to be given for free to the treasurer of IMCA as deposit and for references and commercial purposes. From each hammerette, hitterette, struckerette, killerette and blasterette 10% or 10g, whatever the larger amount is, has to be given for free to the treasurer of IMCA as deposit and for references and commercial purposes. If all these conditions and requirements are fulfilled, the board of directors will convene to vote for the official status of the stones. Else no stone shall be named a hammer. ... Something like this? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Dave Gheesling [mailto:d...@fallingrocks.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. März 2009 00:54 An: 'Martin Altmann'; i...@imcamail.de Betreff: RE: [IMCA] Hammers Orientation Martin, David All, Whether we, individually speaking, attach some value to the term or not, is it in widespread enough use and potentially ambiguous/misunderstood to merit some reasonable attempt at standardization by IMCA? Best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: imca-boun...@imcamail.de [mailto:imca-boun...@imcamail.de] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:19 PM To: i...@imcamail.de Subject: AW: [IMCA] Hammers Orientation Well David, you're right, but maybe I should explain better, why I have my difficulties to attach that importance to the topic, which others do. When I made my first website about meteorites long ago, I took on the front page a quote by Franz v.Kobell, which I had found in an old popular book, which I once had bought as a boy on a fleamarket - For how long many a meteor stone may have flown his circular flight as a small descendent of a planet, through the midst of the immense masses of the great regents of the skies, what revolution may have torn him away into the wide, strange stellar space and have separated him from his mother Ceres or Pallas or whatever her name, how many things may have befallen him during his voyages through those dizzy heights, which man can hardly comprise in their extent, except for those
[meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor Crater Enterprises
Mr. Andes, In a recent newspaper article linked below, you were quoted as saying : Andes said Lynch is doing the honest thing and the decent thing, which is no guarantee in the world of meteorite collectors. That says a lot about his character, Andes said http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html Mr. Andes, as an honest meteorite collector and enthusiast, I am VERY INSULTED by your juvenile trash talk. Unlike the rest of you rich corporate sharks who have driven this country into the economic toliet, I uphold a highest standard of trading practices with my fellow collectors and dealers. Your attempt to paint an entire hobby and group of people as dishonest thieves succeeded in only one thing - it demonstrated to the world your ignorance of basic facts and your prejudice against people you don't know. Was it meteorite collectors who took a feature of nature and god, put a fence around it and said it's private property? No. Was it meteorite collectors who stole the land the crater sits on from native indian tribes who actually own it? No. It is the height of human arrogance to claim ownership over a crater in the remote desert that has existed for tens of thousands of years. And it is the height of human ignorance to go out and make a stupid statement like the one I quoted above. Because some wealthy businessman bought a piece of the Earth and then passed it down to his heirs, who in turn hired you to help administrate it, does not make you better than the people you denounce. Do you think visitors who stoop down to pick up a piece of nature's iron and stick it in their pocket (after they paid you already to be there) are thieves? Who is the thief? How did your white ancestors acquire the land they live on? They raped, murdered, and lied their way into ownership - and then codified it into law. That makes you and your ancestors dishonest thieves. So make sure you aren't living in a glass house before you start throwing chondrites. So before you open your uneducated mouth, next time do your homework and learn the facts. And if all of this sounds harsh, just remember - you Mr. Andes fired the first shot by insulting a large number of honest people and calling them thieves. Someone needed to call you out on it. Next time you want to talk trash about ME or any of the other honest collectors and dealers I work with, then call me on the phone and arrange a meeting - I will be more than happy to school you in person. No best regards to you, MikeG PS - I'm sure I don't speak for the more sophisticated members of the meteorite community who are cringing as they read this. You see, I am intelligent enough not to make assumptions about large numbers of people I don't know. . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. PSS - does anyone have an email address for Mr. Andes so I can personally send him my best regards? __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor Crater Enterprises
Me thinks you got an axe to grind about a lot of things. :O) GeoZay **Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0005) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor CraterEnterprises
Hi listees and Mr. Andes - I have to agree with Mark here. Mr. Andes words caught me bright and early in the morning before my coffee kicked in, and I was feeling pissy. I really should put a lock on my keyboard early in the morning. I apologize to the list and to Mr. Andes for my harsh choice of words. I stand by the underlying message and sentiment of my letter, but I regret my choice of harsh words. In hindsight, I could have expressed my displeasure in a more tasteful way. Regards, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Mark Langenfeld mlan...@execpc.com wrote: From: Mark Langenfeld mlan...@execpc.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor CraterEnterprises To: michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:57 AM Michael: I can tell you feel strongly about this, and I fully understand why. But, your overwrought diatribe does collectors no more favors than did Mr. Andes poorly chosen words. In fact, I think it stands to make things even worse. I am very sorry you chose to send it. Not necessarily more sophisticated, but cringing nonetheless ... Mark Langenfeld __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
What?! A meteorite or space debris? ..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass... http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-car-in/ The photos of the supposed meteorite look like debris of some sort. Not like any meteorite I've ever seen. Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering $10K for the meteorite? Hmm Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
Eh... This happened 26 Feb, but didn¹t become a news item until the $10k offer. Danger, Will Robinson... And that debris looks like part of the car dashboard or something to me. Man-made, anyways. On 3/12/09 9:06 AM, Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com wrote: What?! A meteorite or space debris? ..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass... http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys- car-in/ The photos of the supposed meteorite look like debris of some sort. Not like any meteorite I've ever seen. Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering $10K for the meteorite? Hmm Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
I offered $10K for the first kilo of Westchester It is extremely doubtful the object that hit the car is a meteorite. Best/ d, On Mar 12, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Eric Wichman wrote: What?! A meteorite or space debris? ..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass... http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-car-in/ The photos of the supposed meteorite look like debris of some sort. Not like any meteorite I've ever seen. Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering $10K for the meteorite? Hmm Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor CraterEnterprises
I was suffering from a coffee shortage, too, and just now noticed that Michael's email went to the list and not directly to Mr. Andes, as well. Guess I'm just as glad of that. Mark Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com To: Mark Langenfeld mlan...@execpc.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor CraterEnterprises Hi listees and Mr. Andes - I have to agree with Mark here. Mr. Andes words caught me bright and early in the morning before my coffee kicked in, and I was feeling pissy. I really should put a lock on my keyboard early in the morning. I apologize to the list and to Mr. Andes for my harsh choice of words. I stand by the underlying message and sentiment of my letter, but I regret my choice of harsh words. In hindsight, I could have expressed my displeasure in a more tasteful way. Regards, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Mark Langenfeld mlan...@execpc.com wrote: From: Mark Langenfeld mlan...@execpc.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor CraterEnterprises To: michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:57 AM Michael: I can tell you feel strongly about this, and I fully understand why. But, your overwrought diatribe does collectors no more favors than did Mr. Andes poorly chosen words. In fact, I think it stands to make things even worse. I am very sorry you chose to send it. Not necessarily more sophisticated, but cringing nonetheless ... Mark Langenfeld __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE : My Meteor Crater rant this morning on the list
Hi List, After fielding several private emails regarding my diabtribe this morning, I want to emphasize that I regret the way I expressed myself. This is not the first time I have put my considerable foot in my gaping mouth, and I hope it will be the last. After this experience, I pledge to control my pissiness. 1) I will step away from the keyboard 2) Take a deep breath 3) Rethink my words carefully before hitting Send Before anyone judges me too harshly (as I did Mr. Andes), please understand my heart was in the right place, even if my mind was being a jerk. I think meteorite collectors get a bad rap in the scientific community and I only hope that my pissy rant did not further damage the image of meteorite collectors. If that is the case, I sincerely apologize to everyone on the behalf of collectors and I take 100% full blame and responsibility for my harsh words. Best regards, MikeG (meteorite-collecting jerk) . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RE : My Meteor Crater rant this morning on the list
Now that's what I call.(space) Balls !! This shows we're only human with plenty mistakes. But it's harder to find a human committing he made one. Respect bro !! Jan. www.heavenlybodies.nl IMCA 8933 Holland - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] RE : My Meteor Crater rant this morning on the list Hi List, After fielding several private emails regarding my diabtribe this morning, I want to emphasize that I regret the way I expressed myself. This is not the first time I have put my considerable foot in my gaping mouth, and I hope it will be the last. After this experience, I pledge to control my pissiness. 1) I will step away from the keyboard 2) Take a deep breath 3) Rethink my words carefully before hitting Send Before anyone judges me too harshly (as I did Mr. Andes), please understand my heart was in the right place, even if my mind was being a jerk. I think meteorite collectors get a bad rap in the scientific community and I only hope that my pissy rant did not further damage the image of meteorite collectors. If that is the case, I sincerely apologize to everyone on the behalf of collectors and I take 100% full blame and responsibility for my harsh words. Best regards, MikeG (meteorite-collecting jerk) . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1995 - Release Date: 03/11/09 08:28:00 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
Yeah I doubt the object is a meteorite either. But it does pose the question. What the heck is it?! My guess is space debris from a satellite or possible some industrial accident, or possibly even from passing a plane. The object in the photos does appear to have been heated some way though. I'm leaning toward space debris. It obviously crashed through the windshield and the dashboard. I don't know about the heat thing reported in the article though. That seems a bit off if you ask me. Eric Darryl Pitt wrote: I offered $10K for the first kilo of Westchester It is extremely doubtful the object that hit the car is a meteorite. Best/ d, On Mar 12, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Eric Wichman wrote: What?! A meteorite or space debris? ..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass... http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-car-in/ The photos of the supposed meteorite look like debris of some sort. Not like any meteorite I've ever seen. Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering $10K for the meteorite? Hmm Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA http://www.meteoritesusa.com 904-236-5394 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
I can't imagine any possible way an object that size which came from space could have been hot enough on arrival to melt or burn anything. Also, the image and description suggest the impact was directed at least somewhat towards the rear of the car, and anything falling from space would have come in very near vertically. If it's not a hoax, I'd assume the object originated from, or near, the ground. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood Yeah I doubt the object is a meteorite either. But it does pose the question. What the heck is it?! My guess is space debris from a satellite or possible some industrial accident, or possibly even from passing a plane. The object in the photos does appear to have been heated some way though. I'm leaning toward space debris. It obviously crashed through the windshield and the dashboard. I don't know about the heat thing reported in the article though. That seems a bit off if you ask me. Eric /mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor CraterEnterprises
Hi Mark and list, You and I both are glad for that. I only wish my diatribe could be permanently erased from the record. But, thanks to Google Cache, it will live on forever, unfortunately. Even if Art could go in and delete the message, it will still be cached by Google. So, for the record (and for Google) - my words were my words, and not those of the collector community at large. If anyone wants to draw conclusions based on what I said, then please draw those conclusions against me and not the collector community as a whole. There are lots of classy people in the meteorite world with more self-control than I - those people should not have to suffer the consequences due to the rash words of a meteorite pariah. And I also apologize for CC'ing Mark's private reply to me, to the list. That was an accident and a violation of netiquette. Best regards, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Mark Langenfeld mlan...@execpc.com wrote: From: Mark Langenfeld mlan...@execpc.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor CraterEnterprises To: michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:52 AM I was suffering from a coffee shortage, too, and just now noticed that Michael's email went to the list and not directly to Mr. Andes, as well. Guess I'm just as glad of that. Mark Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com To: Mark Langenfeld mlan...@execpc.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor CraterEnterprises Hi listees and Mr. Andes - I have to agree with Mark here. Mr. Andes words caught me bright and early in the morning before my coffee kicked in, and I was feeling pissy. I really should put a lock on my keyboard early in the morning. I apologize to the list and to Mr. Andes for my harsh choice of words. I stand by the underlying message and sentiment of my letter, but I regret my choice of harsh words. In hindsight, I could have expressed my displeasure in a more tasteful way. Regards, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Mark Langenfeld mlan...@execpc.com wrote: From: Mark Langenfeld mlan...@execpc.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor CraterEnterprises To: michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:57 AM Michael: I can tell you feel strongly about this, and I fully understand why. But, your overwrought diatribe does collectors no more favors than did Mr. Andes poorly chosen words. In fact, I think it stands to make things even worse. I am very sorry you chose to send it. Not necessarily more sophisticated, but cringing nonetheless ... Mark Langenfeld __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor CraterEnterprises
No sweat, Michael. Someone (wiser than me) once said: the measure of a man is not how many mistakes he makes, but how many he repeats. Time to put this behind you (and us). Mark - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com To: Mark Langenfeld mlan...@execpc.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor CraterEnterprises Hi Mark and list, You and I both are glad for that. I only wish my diatribe could be permanently erased from the record. But, thanks to Google Cache, it will live on forever, unfortunately. Even if Art could go in and delete the message, it will still be cached by Google. So, for the record (and for Google) - my words were my words, and not those of the collector community at large. If anyone wants to draw conclusions based on what I said, then please draw those conclusions against me and not the collector community as a whole. There are lots of classy people in the meteorite world with more self-control than I - those people should not have to suffer the consequences due to the rash words of a meteorite pariah. And I also apologize for CC'ing Mark's private reply to me, to the list. That was an accident and a violation of netiquette. Best regards, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Mark Langenfeld mlan...@execpc.com wrote: From: Mark Langenfeld mlan...@execpc.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor CraterEnterprises To: michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:52 AM I was suffering from a coffee shortage, too, and just now noticed that Michael's email went to the list and not directly to Mr. Andes, as well. Guess I'm just as glad of that. Mark Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com To: Mark Langenfeld mlan...@execpc.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor CraterEnterprises Hi listees and Mr. Andes - I have to agree with Mark here. Mr. Andes words caught me bright and early in the morning before my coffee kicked in, and I was feeling pissy. I really should put a lock on my keyboard early in the morning. I apologize to the list and to Mr. Andes for my harsh choice of words. I stand by the underlying message and sentiment of my letter, but I regret my choice of harsh words. In hindsight, I could have expressed my displeasure in a more tasteful way. Regards, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Mark Langenfeld mlan...@execpc.com wrote: From: Mark Langenfeld mlan...@execpc.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor CraterEnterprises To: michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:57 AM Michael: I can tell you feel strongly about this, and I fully understand why. But, your overwrought diatribe does collectors no more favors than did Mr. Andes poorly chosen words. In fact, I think it stands to make things even worse. I am very sorry you chose to send it. Not necessarily more sophisticated, but cringing nonetheless ... Mark Langenfeld __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weird Connections?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncronicity -Larry In a message dated 3/12/2009 1:14:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, e...@meteoritewatch.com writes: Over the last few months we've all witnessed, read about, and/or seen videos, articles, and new reports about all the meteorite news happening all over the world. I'd like to concentrate on the USA for a second though. Has anyone noticed the coincidences in the falls, fireballs, names and locations of the most recent meteor and meteorite activity in the United States? For Example: West, Texas - FALL - L6 Chondrite (Witnessed Fall; newest recovered fall in the world) First piece found near Cottonwood Rd West, Texas meteorite - Many pieces were found in Cotton fields... ;) Westchester, NY - Fireball Sighting - There is a Cottonwood Rd very close to the radar image of this event. (within a few miles) Cottonwood, CA - Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood, CA Meteor Crater - Within 100 miles of Cottonwood, AZ If you do a search on Google for Cottonwood meteorite you'll of course find the Cottonwood H5 meteorite. http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/test/cottonwood.jpg And recently, a fireball report was filed on my site stating and I quote ..I heard the loadest bang on my roof and immediately a small branch from a cottonwood tree high overhead landed on my windshield... (Of course this is not a meteorite, but a falling branch. Nonetheless the coincidences are uncanny... ;) A cottonwood tree? I mean come on, what are the chances? lol I say everyone in the USA who's interested in witnessing meteor fireballs and finding meteorites should grab their camera equipment and meteorite stick and stakeout any road, highway, tree, city, town, village, church or any other public or private building or landmark with the name Cottonwood. According to the data, the chances are good that you might just witness a new meteorite fall! Silly? You decide... lol ;) Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list **Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0005) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
Eric, List, I emailed this article to my brother who lives up there. He responded Cottonwood is in the flightline for the local airport. - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wichman Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:07 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood What?! A meteorite or space debris? ..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass... http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroy s-car-in/ The photos of the supposed meteorite look like debris of some sort. Not like any meteorite I've ever seen. Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering $10K for the meteorite? Hmm Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
I have a question. If this is simply something that fell off of an airplane then why is it so unrecognizable? I would think parts that fall off planes would be easy to recognize. Plus the size of this piece pictured is about the size of a nickel. A nickel weighs more like 5 grams not .07 grams. It seems to me this must be from space? No? And if it is from space , why isn't it smooth? Carl Esparza IMCa 5829 Kashuba mary.kash...@verizon.net wrote: Eric, List, I emailed this article to my brother who lives up there. He responded Cottonwood is in the flightline for the local airport. - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wichman Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:07 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood What?! A meteorite or space debris? ..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass... http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroy s-car-in/ The photos of the supposed meteorite look like debris of some sort. Not like any meteorite I've ever seen. Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering $10K for the meteorite? Hmm Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
Whatever hit it looks (to me) like it fragmented completely when it hit the windshield. The dashboard doesn¹t have one deep gouge in it like a solid object would inflict; it has a shotgun-spray of spallation damage. Whatever hit the thing wound up as tiny pieces scattered around inside the car. Ice falling from an airplane, perhaps? I still think the ³debris² they show is part of the dashboard. Oh, and the windshield wasn¹t ³melted² like that genius journo declared. Windshields have two panes of safety glass glued together with a plastic sheet in between. That keeps glass fragments from flying around because they stick to the plastic, just like the photo shows. The ³melted glass² is that plastic sheet stretched all out of shape by getting walloped. All the journo had to do was touch the thing to figure that out. Now I¹m really going to quit getting wrapped up in this stuff and get back to work.. Cheers, MDF On 3/12/09 11:33 AM, Kashuba mary.kash...@verizon.net wrote: Eric, List, I emailed this article to my brother who lives up there. He responded Cottonwood is in the flightline for the local airport. - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wichman Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:07 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood What?! A meteorite or space debris? ..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass... http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroy s-car-in/ The photos of the supposed meteorite look like debris of some sort. Not like any meteorite I've ever seen. Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering $10K for the meteorite? Hmm Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- End of Forwarded Message __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
Hi Eric and the List, Interesting photos. I highly doubt that the windshield melted, it looks much more like the plastic film between the layers of glass (that make it safety glass as used in windshields) just stretched from the impacting object. The photo of the 'debris' inside the car shure does not look like a meteorite or a re-entered piece of space junk. It also does not look like a blade from a big wood chipper like the last few 'meteorites' hitting cars and houses. Pat Brown Hardware Reliability Engineer (and ex-materials engineer) --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com wrote: From: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:06 AM What?! A meteorite or space debris? ..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass... http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-car-in/ The photos of the supposed meteorite look like debris of some sort. Not like any meteorite I've ever seen. Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering $10K for the meteorite? Hmm Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
Carl, List, I'm not advocating ANY source of this object but: 1 - It might look EXACTLY like an airplane part to someone who knows air planes. (It might look like a satellite part to someone . . .) 2 - It might have gotten pretty messed up in, on or around whatever device it came from before said device shed it. It DOES look like it was really moving when it hit. - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of cdtuc...@cox.net Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:05 PM To: Kashuba; meteoritelist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood I have a question. If this is simply something that fell off of an airplane then why is it so unrecognizable? I would think parts that fall off planes would be easy to recognize. Plus the size of this piece pictured is about the size of a nickel. A nickel weighs more like 5 grams not .07 grams. It seems to me this must be from space? No? And if it is from space , why isn't it smooth? Carl Esparza IMCa 5829 Kashuba mary.kash...@verizon.net wrote: Eric, List, I emailed this article to my brother who lives up there. He responded Cottonwood is in the flightline for the local airport. - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wichman Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:07 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood What?! A meteorite or space debris? ..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass... http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroy s-car-in/ The photos of the supposed meteorite look like debris of some sort. Not like any meteorite I've ever seen. Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering $10K for the meteorite? Hmm Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
The plastic film might be melted but I can't tell by the photos. If it is then that would mean that the piece of debris was obviously hot while in flight. Since we are reasonably sure that a meteorite of this size capable of producing a hole the size of the one seen in the photo couldn't have been hot enough to melt the protective coating (particularly at the speeds needed to produce the hole) on the windshield then I would venture to say it might have been a piece of fiery -and heavy- debris from some Earthy and very terrestrial explosion. A burning piece of machinery or metal can fly very far (perhaps a mile or more) from the location of an explosion. Perhaps this is the answer. But this hangs on the supposition that the window coating is in fact melted, which you can't tell by the photos. These excerpts from the article say most of it: ...'There was a loud explosion and bright light,' Orsot said. Rustled from his sleep, Orsot looked outside but didn't see anything unusual, so he went back to bed. Shasta County sheriff's deputies responded ...to a cluster of 911 calls in the neighborhood - all reporting a startling sound... ...'It was a big kaboom,' said Leroy Bolls, the couple's next-door neighbor. 'Like a sonic boom, but real close.'... He and his wife, Suzie, said the sound was strong enough to shake their house, and they thought a propane tank might have exploded... The piece pictured in the article is very small, maybe an inch or two and very light. ..The piece Birondo still has at his office weighs 0.07 of a gram.. This is not the main impactor. ...Birondo said he sent one to the state Department of Justice crime laboratory. He hasn't heard back from scientists there on what the material might be... We'll just have to wait and see what the lab says, if they say anything at all.. Eric Pat Brown wrote: Hi Eric and the List, Interesting photos. I highly doubt that the windshield melted, it looks much more like the plastic film between the layers of glass (that make it safety glass as used in windshields) just stretched from the impacting object. The photo of the 'debris' inside the car shure does not look like a meteorite or a re-entered piece of space junk. It also does not look like a blade from a big wood chipper like the last few 'meteorites' hitting cars and houses. Pat Brown Hardware Reliability Engineer (and ex-materials engineer) --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com wrote: From: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:06 AM What?! A meteorite or space debris? ..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass... http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-car-in/ The photos of the supposed meteorite look like debris of some sort. Not like any meteorite I've ever seen. Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering $10K for the meteorite? Hmm Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA http://www.meteoritesusa.com 904-236-5394 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
Hi, List, Look at the photo. At full size on my monitor, it is scaled about 10x life size. Clearly visible on the fragment are the Roman characters EJ and possibly I, about 0.5 - 0.6 mm high and what appears to be a smaller line of type as well, both far too small to be anything but a portion of a possible part number or other identifying mark. The entire fragment is no more than one inch in the longest dimension, heavily battered and folded. The odds favor the wood chipper or the jet engine where parts may be in high kinetic energy states of motion. On the right side of the object in the photo there seems to be a plane feature but we can't see it. The data in the news story can (as always) be utterly disregarded, but it's no meteorite. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:06 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car inCottonwood What?! A meteorite or space debris? ..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass... http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-car-in/ The photos of the supposed meteorite look like debris of some sort. Not like any meteorite I've ever seen. Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering $10K for the meteorite? Hmm Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
Hi Eric, John, and the List, I am not proposing that the plastic film melted. These types of plastic have a pretty high melting point, I think it mearly stretched without a whole lot of heat. The period of time that this impactor spent going through this windshield was very short (assuming free fall speeds of ~200mph, not orbital speeds), not enough time to transfer enough heat to melt glass or a very tough plastic film (polyvinyl butyral, or PVB). Pat --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com wrote: From: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: radio_ra...@yahoo.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 1:15 PM The plastic film might be melted but I can't tell by the photos. If it is then that would mean that the piece of debris was obviously hot while in flight. Since we are reasonably sure that a meteorite of this size capable of producing a hole the size of the one seen in the photo couldn't have been hot enough to melt the protective coating (particularly at the speeds needed to produce the hole) on the windshield then I would venture to say it might have been a piece of fiery -and heavy- debris from some Earthy and very terrestrial explosion. A burning piece of machinery or metal can fly very far (perhaps a mile or more) from the location of an explosion. Perhaps this is the answer. But this hangs on the supposition that the window coating is in fact melted, which you can't tell by the photos. These excerpts from the article say most of it: ...'There was a loud explosion and bright light,' Orsot said. Rustled from his sleep, Orsot looked outside but didn't see anything unusual, so he went back to bed. Shasta County sheriff's deputies responded ...to a cluster of 911 calls in the neighborhood - all reporting a startling sound... ...'It was a big kaboom,' said Leroy Bolls, the couple's next-door neighbor. 'Like a sonic boom, but real close.'... He and his wife, Suzie, said the sound was strong enough to shake their house, and they thought a propane tank might have exploded... The piece pictured in the article is very small, maybe an inch or two and very light. ..The piece Birondo still has at his office weighs 0.07 of a gram.. This is not the main impactor. ...Birondo said he sent one to the state Department of Justice crime laboratory. He hasn't heard back from scientists there on what the material might be... We'll just have to wait and see what the lab says, if they say anything at all.. Eric Pat Brown wrote: Hi Eric and the List, Interesting photos. I highly doubt that the windshield melted, it looks much more like the plastic film between the layers of glass (that make it safety glass as used in windshields) just stretched from the impacting object. The photo of the 'debris' inside the car shure does not look like a meteorite or a re-entered piece of space junk. It also does not look like a blade from a big wood chipper like the last few 'meteorites' hitting cars and houses. Pat Brown Hardware Reliability Engineer (and ex-materials engineer) --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com wrote: From: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:06 AM What?! A meteorite or space debris? ..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass... http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-car-in/ The photos of the supposed meteorite look like debris of some sort. Not like any meteorite I've ever seen. Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering $10K for the meteorite? Hmm Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA http://www.meteoritesusa.com 904-236-5394 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
It's no doubt, not a meteorite... I see the letters, but can't make much out of it. Alien writing: www.meteoritesusa.com/images/letters.jpg Oh, and about news stories being unreliable... I would have to agree you can't expect to draw conclusions or know everything from news stories, look at the Hopper story. There's many things that weren't reported about that story. Space debris, terrestrial explosion or aircraft component. The question is still, what the heck is it? Eric Sterling K. Webb wrote: Hi, List, Look at the photo. At full size on my monitor, it is scaled about 10x life size. Clearly visible on the fragment are the Roman characters EJ and possibly I, about 0.5 - 0.6 mm high and what appears to be a smaller line of type as well, both far too small to be anything but a portion of a possible part number or other identifying mark. The entire fragment is no more than one inch in the longest dimension, heavily battered and folded. The odds favor the wood chipper or the jet engine where parts may be in high kinetic energy states of motion. On the right side of the object in the photo there seems to be a plane feature but we can't see it. The data in the news story can (as always) be utterly disregarded, but it's no meteorite. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:06 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car inCottonwood What?! A meteorite or space debris? ..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass... http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-car-in/ The photos of the supposed meteorite look like debris of some sort. Not like any meteorite I've ever seen. Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering $10K for the meteorite? Hmm Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA http://www.meteoritesusa.com 904-236-5394 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT
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[meteorite-list] Question About Vesicle Size/Images
Dear List Members, I have a question about vesicles. The reason I am asking is that I came across a giant vesicle in a complete slice from the middle of a Dhofar 700 stone. It is so large that it created a hole completely through a 3mm slice. Apparently the vesicle was oblong so I do not know what the length was but the diameter rim-to-rim is an astonsihing 12.45mm. My question is; What is the largest vesicle ever measured in meteorite? Here are some images: http://themeteoritesite.com/Item7-Dhofar700-1.jpg http://themeteoritesite.com/Item7-Dhofar700-2.jpg http://themeteoritesite.com/Item7-Dhofar700-3.jpg http://themeteoritesite.com/Item7-Dhofar700-4.jpg http://themeteoritesite.com/Item7-Dhofar700-5.jpg Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:32:18 -0500, you wrote: The entire fragment is no more than one inch in the longest dimension, heavily battered and folded. The odds favor the wood chipper or the jet engine where parts may be in high kinetic energy states of motion. Also note the odd weight listed for the thing-- 0.07 gram. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wisconsin man's 50 pound rock held up grandson's basketball hoop, turns out to be stolen in 1968 from Meteoirte crater
Hi all, You've probably heard this recent story, but a friend at The Field Museum sent this article yesterday and I just got to read it. I thought I'd share it with the group. Happy meteorite hunting. I thought you'd enjoy this story! http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2009/03/11/Wis_mans_rock_turns_out_to_be_meteorite/UPI-92241236817067/ Brian Cox IMCA #6387 searchingforfun on ebay Please see my meteorite auctions up this week on ebay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] eBay - Achondrites, etc. - AD
Dear List Members, I have just loaded about 50 eBay auctions to include a new eucrite (entire classified mass), new mesosiderite (entire classified mass), larger specimens of Planetary, Lodranites, Achondrites, Angrites, Irons, Mesos and all of the other meteorites I have to offer this week, most started at just 99 cents! All can be found by clicking here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault Direct links to the two entire masses I mentioned above: NEW - NWA 5404 Eucrite 3.7g Entire Mass http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITitem=350177494530 NEW - NWA 4230 Mesosiderite 112.6g Entire Mass http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITitem=170310759296 Other Interesting auctions: NWA 869 ORIENTED Complete stone 12.4g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITitem=350177497320 NWA 3151 Brachinite Thin Section (Uncovered) LAST ONE! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITitem=350177515961 Too many great deals to list here, so if you are interested, Thank you for bidding! Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car inCottonwood
List, My first impression was a fried circuit board. I have seen more than my share of these after 40 years working in the electronics industry. Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteoroids Before Meteorites
Hi all, While looking at photos of our most recent extraterrestrial visitor, the West meteorite, I was wondering what the meteoroid looked like while floating around in space... Look how nice and white this piece is on the inside. http://www.rocksfromspace.org/133g_Interior.JPG Fusion crust is only formed while entering our planets atmosphere. Meaning that this meteorite was obviously whitish in color while still a meteoroid. Right? Space is a vacuum, and a vacuum preserves things right? Look at the moon and all the wonderful craters and how wonderfully preserved they are. The moon never changes color except when viewed through our atmosphere. From space it looks the same as it did millions of years ago. Does this mean that the West meteoroid, while in space and before it hit our planet, was white? I mean, it's not like the minerals that make up the meteoroid change colors before hitting our planet. Right? I guess the reason I ask this is that we all see photos of asteroids that are dark gray, gray-black or brown blobs of space rock floating around the solar system. I think our perception of meteorites are quite different. We tend to think of rocks from space as dark rocks floating around aimlessly and randomly bumping into one another occasionally sending pieces our way to be pulled in by our planets gravity. Are there huge white rocks floating around out there? And if so, wouldn't they be slightly easier to spot than a dark blob of an asteroid? I hope these aren't dumb questions. Eric __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoroids Before Meteorites
Hi Eric- Obviously, meteoroids don't have fusion crusts, but that doesn't mean they have light colored exteriors. In general, just about everything orbiting the Sun has proven to be darker than expected. Being in a vacuum doesn't mean an object is in an inert environment. Millions or even billion of years of bombardment by interplanetary dust, solar wind, and radiation does have an effect. As you observed, our few closeup images of asteroids show dark surfaces, and meteoroids are nothing but fragments of asteroids. There's no way of saying for certain, but I'd put my money on the meteoroid parents of meteorites like West having fairly dark surfaces most of the time. (BTW, don't forget that the surface of the Moon is as dark as fresh asphalt; rayed craters show that there is lighter material beneath that, at least in some places.) Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:31 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoroids Before Meteorites Hi all, While looking at photos of our most recent extraterrestrial visitor, the West meteorite, I was wondering what the meteoroid looked like while floating around in space... Look how nice and white this piece is on the inside. http://www.rocksfromspace.org/133g_Interior.JPG Fusion crust is only formed while entering our planets atmosphere. Meaning that this meteorite was obviously whitish in color while still a meteoroid. Right? Space is a vacuum, and a vacuum preserves things right? Look at the moon and all the wonderful craters and how wonderfully preserved they are. The moon never changes color except when viewed through our atmosphere. From space it looks the same as it did millions of years ago. Does this mean that the West meteoroid, while in space and before it hit our planet, was white? I mean, it's not like the minerals that make up the meteoroid change colors before hitting our planet. Right? I guess the reason I ask this is that we all see photos of asteroids that are dark gray, gray-black or brown blobs of space rock floating around the solar system. I think our perception of meteorites are quite different. We tend to think of rocks from space as dark rocks floating around aimlessly and randomly bumping into one another occasionally sending pieces our way to be pulled in by our planets gravity. Are there huge white rocks floating around out there? And if so, wouldn't they be slightly easier to spot than a dark blob of an asteroid? I hope these aren't dumb questions. Eric __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoroids Before Meteorites
Hi Eric: Being an ordinary chondrite, West is probably similar in composition to the S asteroids that have a reflectivity of something like 15%. Larry On Thu, March 12, 2009 5:31 pm, Eric Wichman wrote: Hi all, While looking at photos of our most recent extraterrestrial visitor, the West meteorite, I was wondering what the meteoroid looked like while floating around in space... Look how nice and white this piece is on the inside. http://www.rocksfromspace.org/133g_Interior.JPG Fusion crust is only formed while entering our planets atmosphere. Meaning that this meteorite was obviously whitish in color while still a meteoroid. Right? Space is a vacuum, and a vacuum preserves things right? Look at the moon and all the wonderful craters and how wonderfully preserved they are. The moon never changes color except when viewed through our atmosphere. From space it looks the same as it did millions of years ago. Does this mean that the West meteoroid, while in space and before it hit our planet, was white? I mean, it's not like the minerals that make up the meteoroid change colors before hitting our planet. Right? I guess the reason I ask this is that we all see photos of asteroids that are dark gray, gray-black or brown blobs of space rock floating around the solar system. I think our perception of meteorites are quite different. We tend to think of rocks from space as dark rocks floating around aimlessly and randomly bumping into one another occasionally sending pieces our way to be pulled in by our planets gravity. Are there huge white rocks floating around out there? And if so, wouldn't they be slightly easier to spot than a dark blob of an asteroid? I hope these aren't dumb questions. Eric __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] speaking of vesicles, any ideas on this one?
Greg's question about the huge vesicle prompted me to ask ya'll about a stone I've been pondering. I've received two of these small stones in separate unclassified NWA batches from different sources. They are a rather odd grey color and contain vesicles. I think I've seen some indistinct chondrules but can't be sure. My best guess is a melt of some sort. Here are links to photos of two halves of the same small stone http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/vesicles2/mystery4.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/vesicles2/mystery5.jpg And here is a poor photo of the exterior: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/vesicles2/mystery2.jpg Anyone one else noticed this material? Any one know anything about it? Any speculation or observations? Thanks and Regards, Phil __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
