Hola Greg,
So you call them greedy because they call you stingy...seems like we
have dealers calling thrifty collectors like you and me Tight Asses
and, well, you're doing better by criticizing them for asking for
higher prices, but you're pretty much doing the same thing to them,
notably without
...oh,a discussion about my iron at ebay.
Hi Mike and Jason,
Zacatecas (1792) is not the same as Zacatecas (1969).
All the photos were shown is Zacatecas (1969).
That is a strong recrystallized iron and easy to recognize.
I think(and not only think) i am sure,that the photo in
encyclopedia
Hello Mirko,
Without ever having seen a piece of Zacatecas 1792, I would side with
you; the piece of Zacatecas listed on the website does look exactly
like the 1969 mass. That said, the picture that I posted of the whole
mass:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Zacatecas_(1792)_meteorite.jpg
A couple of points related to the questions posed
The Ries impactor is believed to have hurled multi-ton limestone sections up
slope onto the Alps, 100km/60miles away. It was far larger than Tunguska and a
different scenario all together save for it could have been a dead comet and
related
Hello Michael, Jason, Mirko and List,
Attached to my private mails you'll find a photo of
the Zacatecas 1792 iron from the Buchwald trilogy!
Reference:
BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Volume 2, p. 1364.
Regards,
Bernd
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc:
Well that looks practically nothing like the piece on ebay, even given
the fact that the scale is clearly far larger in that image. The
brain-like schreibersite in the ebay auction is a fairly uncommon
occurrence in irons, and I see no similar inclusions in that large
section. Also, the pattern
Hello all,
The Zacatecas of mine in the Encyclopedia is an error listing - it is the 1969
rather than the 1792 form. This is due to a mis-labelling of what I bought at
one time.
Don Edwards
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Hi Greg and Greg and all,
When Adam and others put their lunars on eBay they are taking a risk.
Those specimens might sell for considerably more or less than say,
$1000/gram. I've seen many Mars and moon meteorites go for $200-500 a
gram on eBay over the years. Those selling them probably felt
Anyone know what this is and when this video was taken and where the
location is?
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/23749/fireball_asteroid_meteorite_ufo_crashes_into_earth/
--
Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
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It appears to be lit by the setting Sun. It could be an odd contrail-
certainly the speed and motion are about right. But it's got an unusual head
for a contrail. Maybe an aircraft or balloon that is venting something,
perhaps for some kind of experiment?
Chris
Hello Mike and Jason,
I have a close-up picture of the recrystallized Zacatecas 1969 iron here.
http://www.meteorman.org/Zacatecas.htm
Tim Heitz
Midwest Meteorites - http://www.meteorman.org/
- Original Message -
From: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de
To: Michael Fowler
Yeah, I though it odd Hence the ? mark.
I did notice the sun setting (or rising) and thought this could possibly
explain the orange glow of the fireball if it is contrails reflecting
the orange glow from beyond the horizon.
Still though, if it were a contrail from an airplane wouldn't it
It appears to be lit by the setting Sun. It could be an odd contrail-
certainly the speed and motion are about right. But it's got an unusual
head
for a contrail. Maybe an aircraft or balloon that is venting something,
perhaps for some kind of experiment?
I'm not able to get the video to
In fairly still air, contrails persist until they evaporate. How long that
takes depends on the humidity and water content of the air. I use contrail
patterns during the day as a tool to assess probable astronomical seeing
conditions that night. I'm looking for still, dry air. I know that's
Very slow- just like a plane. The thing takes a good 5 minutes to go from
its starting point to behind a foreground hill.
Chris
*
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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From: geo...@aol.com
To:
Still though, if it were a contrail from an airplane wouldn't it persist
in the air longer than it does? The tail of this fireball seems to
stay the same length through out the video and not stretch out across
all the way across the sky like a contrail would. Why is that?
Once right
Hi Bernd and Jason,
many thanks Bernd for your photo.
I think that looks absolutly same.
Jason,i think the black inclusions on the slice are also schreibersite!!
The etching quality are only strong different!
Thats all.
Many greetings Mirko
Mirko Graul Meteorite
Quittenring.4
16321
This thing in the video
seems too large at the start, which is why I speculated that something was
being vented.
Another thing to consider is that if the object is appearing slightly
askew and going away from the observer, details at the beginning can blur in
with details further on
Dear Don,
many thanks for this information.
Many greetings Mirko
Mirko Graul Meteorite
Quittenring.4
16321 Bernau
GERMANY
Phone: 0049-1724105015
E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de
Member of The Meteoritical Society
(International Society for Meteoritics and
Very slow- just like a plane. The thing takes a good 5 minutes to go
from
its starting point to behind a foreground hill.
Chris
Oh thanks...that helps a lot. I'm now convinced, despite what it looks
like, we are looking at the contrails of a distant jet liner traveling away
from the
HI ALL.
we need a Little clarification concerning nwa 4734 , an what greg caterton is
selling,
those slice from greg c, look the real McCoy, and they are from the mass
original; that was a complete stone classified by albert jambon,
in first i get 409+67 gr and sent 20 gr to albert that he
Combination of bad optics, dry air, hazy day, and setting sun equals
fireballs that last more than 4 minutes No wonder it looks like a
fireball.
You can add on to the above that the object was traveling away from you.
At night you will have folks seeing stationary lights that suddenly
That makes sense... I didn't realize that contrails dissipated so
quickly in dryer air. But it makes sense if the air is more humid that
the contrail would persist longer. The optical aberration seems logical
enough too and could explain the seemingly larger leading edge.
Combination of bad
Hi Bernd,
There are only 2 people whose posts I read every time, no matter what
the subject. You are one and Sterling Webb is the other.
Thanks for forwarding the picture from Buchwald. Perhaps you are
being diplomatic in letting us form our own opinion as to whether the
sample on ebay
I agree with Chris: this to me is a short aircraft contrail lit by the sun. I
see no reason at all to think of a meteoric fireball.
It keeps surprising me that contrails, in this age of ubiquitous aircraft
traffic, are still confused with fireballs so often.
- Marco
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Dr Marco (asteroid
Hello List,
Everytime we talk about Meteorites and morocco, there's someone to tell that
Moroccans are not trustworthy, can anyone tell me how? every american/european
was rippied off should tell us who stole his money and every moroccan should do
the same, this way we'll have a good idea
so mr greg c , get his 11 gr from sbai associates ,as he
wrote to me;
congratulations on acquiring this wonderful and pristine
lunar
Thanks for the confirmation for everyone that what I have the the real thing.
I understand the need for caution when buying Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
Hello List,
Everytime we talk about Meteorites and morocco, there's someone to tell
that Moroccans are not trustworthy, can anyone tell me how? every
american/european was rippied off should tell us who stole his money and every
moroccan should do the same, this way we'll have a good idea
Aloha Aziz and listees,
Rather than bring up the negative, I would like to reinforce the
positive. In past transactions, I have had good, trustworthy
transactions with Aid Mohamed and Ahmad Bouregaa.
gary
On May 18, 2009, at 7:34 AM, Abdelaziz Alhyane wrote:
Hello List,
Everytime we
It keeps surprising me that contrails, in this age of ubiquitous aircraft
traffic, are still confused with fireballs so often.
Most people never look up. An appalling percentage of adults are unaware,
for instance, that the Moon can be seen during the day (something like half
of adults in the
hi all
this what the IMCA is for , the imca members protect themselves by being
members,
if somone is stolen or ripped off he goes to i.m.c.a. and he put a
reclamation, than the imca make a black list of the no honnest dealers,
so i encourage everybody to be member of IMCA...
i also ask
hi all
this what the IMCA is for , the imca members protect themselves by
being members,
if somone is stolen or ripped off he goes to i.m.c.a. and he put a
reclamation, than the imca make a black list of the no honnest
dealers,
so i encourage everybody to be member of IMCA...
ROTFLMAO!
ROTFLMAO
Ditto.
Translation; Roliing of the floor laughing my @ss off.
Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:
hi all
this what the IMCA is for , the imca members protect themselves by
being members,
if somone is stolen or ripped off he goes to i.m.c.a. and he
Mike, please...
I just opened the ebay-site, searched for meteori*,
got 1681 results.
Please show me those auctions from IMCA-members, where fakes, not authentic
or at least doubtful material (regarding the authenticity) are offered.
And then list me those auctions from non-IMCA-members, where
Martin
As usual, I agree with everything you said. What I saw here in this thread if
you read between the lines are pricing issues and for that IMCA has no control.
Adam is complaining once again about somebody else selling paired material and
somehow price became an issue. That's all I was
Martin and List,
Well, I just received a veiled death threat from an IMCA member for my
last post.
I can say in all honesty, that I have done hundreds (if not over a
thousand) deals since joining the world of meteorites. Only once did
someone attempt to scam me, and it was an IMCA member.
IMCA
What is-- the selling price of the Garza stone, Alex.
http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/1578763,CST-NWS-meteorite18.article
Collector pays $50,000 for a 5-pound rock
PARK FOREST | Why so high? It's a meteorite that hit a house in '03
Comments
May 18, 2009
BY MARY HOULIHAN
Carl,
This has nothing to do with pricing. Carl, where do you come up with this crap?
You do not know me at all otherwise you would not make such stupid comments. I
did not complain once about price. I think $1,000.00/gram for a Mare is
reasonable if the burden of proof has been satisfied
Hi Carl,
IMCA has indeed no influence on pricing.
And I think, that wouldn't be desirable at all, would it?
As most adhere to the ideal of the interplay of forces, while monopolism
rarely has advantages for its victims...
Hmm sometimes I have the feeling, that a few (still) misunderstand the
Hi Mike,
Are you still a member of the IMCA?
-Walter Branch
- Original Message -
From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com
To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 5:43 PM
Subject: Re:
I would really like for this issue to stop. I had no idea that so much drama
would come from me offering samples of this Lunar.
All my intentions were was to offer some of this really nice Lunar for a more
reasonable price then I have seen it going for.
What I have has been confirmed to be
Everyone has his opinion,
be sure that IMCA isn't obsessed to proselytize all unbelievers,
as it isn't the holy or unholy inquisition.
As explained it isn't neither a secret guild or sect,
which controls the said and unsaid thoughts of their members.
I'm only somewhat discontent, that IMCA is
... Ok.
I would like to say for the record, I am a member of the IMCA.
Taking a step back and looking at the IMCA with a unbiased point of view, I see
it as a group that has alot of potential and could be a great thing for the
meteorite hobby.
I do think its more of a dealers club then
Hello All,
I'm sorry to have to ask this again, but I'm still in need of contact
information for Terry Boswell.
If anyone has his cell number, I'd be much obliged; his home line
hasn't been picked up for quite a while, so I'm assuming he's out and
about on business.
Thanks,
Jason
Bought for $2 Million dollars, almost sold for $10 Billion!
Also reveal two new methods for verification of meteorites.
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05:40' 06/05/2009 (GMT+7)
Hi, All,
IMCA is a very young organization, and young organizations, almost by
definition, are imperfect. That said, IMCA does more than any other
organization to help insure authenticity of marketed meteorites. Note the
word help, as they can't do it all and shouldn't be expected to do so.
Well said, Dave.
I'd like to add my $0.02 and say that anyone having disagreement with what
IMCA does or doesn't do --- 1. Become a member and 2. Run for Office or
volunteer your time to make a difference.
Dave Carothers
IMCA 2052
- Original Message -
From: Dave Gheesling
Dear List,
Please enjoy a photo of Zacatecas (1792), perhaps it is helpful.
http://www.diogenite.com/zacs92.jpg
Sorry I am quiet lately, I am recovering from surgery and it hurts to
even type, so any emails I owe, kindly be patient.
Best wishes
Doug
-Original Message-
From: Michael
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