Re: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton
From us here in Austin, too. Our condolences to the family Norton. Philippe Lea Meteoritica _ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Farewell Richard
My fellow mourners, Today was indeed a sad day. I had the great fortune to meet Richard and Dorothy on each of my Tucson Gem/Meteorite/Fossil show trips, and like everyone else here I am immensely saddened to learn of Richard's passing. His popular _Rocks From Space_ book, first published in '94, was my greatest inspiration, and I'm thankful that I had the opportunity to not only tell him so in person, but share with him the meager space rock discoveries that his book spurred me to find. My personal impressions of Richard based on our all-too-brief conversations are that he was a gentle soul with a Bob-Newhart- style sense of humor which I quite enjoyed. A modern Renaissance man, Richard had interests in physics, optics, astronomy, photography, geology and even classical piano. In fact only today did I learn we shared a love of playing Chopin's music. On a lighter note, I have to agree with Capt. Blood that Richard presented more than a passing resemblance to Hugh Hefner (minus the satin robe, pipe and slippers!) I shall have to work on a side-by-side pair of photographs with a suitable caption. :-) My deepest sympathies, Dorothy -- your husband touched so many lives, and our extended family here will miss him dearly. With fond memories and deepest respect, Rob __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Farewell Richard
I would just like to echo the sentiments made so far, Richard touched all our lives, most of us through his wonderful works, and thus we all have some little piece of him inside our heads that will live on. I am sure it will be difficult for Dorothy to read all these touching tributes (as always is in these sad situations), but I hope the fact that we are all thinking of her and her family will at least be of some small comfort. Mark Ford (British and Irish meteorite Society) UK CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton
Yesterday evening our internet services announced that our web connections will be fully restructured and that we will be cut off from mail connections for 12 hours (overnight). Currently I love having night contacts and chats life, with most of you listee friends there from overseas so I was a little frustrated. I then rushed to send my last mail yesterday to... Anne Black. And this morning her mail was the first in a row to appear...but with that strange title: Richard Norton An undefined forewarning immediately crossed my mind... Oh my God, NO!...not Richard..not HIM! I then read the numerous posts with a lump in my throat, with a feeling between shock and deep sadness. What a terrible loss for all of us! I never had the honor to meet Richard. I know him through his ever popular and inspiring books, unanimously now considered as masterpieces by specialists, but also a permanent source of knowledge and inspiration also so easily accessible to meteorite amateurs. Whoever started to collect and love those rock falling from the skies was soon eager to learn more about these strange stones. And so did I, through acquiring the at the time edited Norton's authoritative Rocks from Space or its not less famous Cambridge Encyclopedia, still now unanimously considered as the best of the best popular and scientifically significant references to permanently consult. These references brought Richard to be forever with us through his achievements. Here I have a suggestion and a statement to make. Suggestion: should we try to sensitize the scientific community to name one of the next discovered asteroids in honor to Richard Norton ? Statement: last night I just finalized the English flyer for the next Ensisheim meeting. It could not be sent because of internet restructuring. I am therefore right now still in time to modify the first page by adding that the 2009 edition of the show will be dedicated to Richard Norton. This will be also officially announced during the Friday evening ceremonies. I feel this is the least we can do to honor a great man, a giant's memory, forever. On behalf of many of my local friends from Ensisheim and also from the Belgian club of meteorite collectors (CTSA), I wish to express my deepest sympathy and condolences to Dorothy. May I suggest she always keeps painting the odd features of the space life so fully appreciated throughout Richard's books. Dorothy, besides the pleasure we all will have to admire your productions, they will for sure contribute to maintain your mind close to your beloved Richard who is certainly now somewhere there over, happy among the stars... Zelimir Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Richard Norton - Memories Live on Forever
Dear Dorothy. Richard's book was the first that I read on meteorites and greatly enhanced my knowledge and desire. It is still the ONLY book that I consistently recommend to new collectors. Rest assured that a life that has so enriched others never really ends but goes on in the hearts of those of us who knew Richard. My deepest sympathy. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton
Excellent, André, I am taking the liberty to send your suggestion (copy of your mail) to the Meteorite List. This, just to avoid cross-cutting of similar ideas and perhaps to get a step forward towards the idea...? Thanks (for Richard and Dorothy!) My best, Zelimir At 12:36 28/05/2009, you wrote: Hello Zelimir, Suggestion: should we try to sensitize the scientific community to name one of the next discovered asteroids in honor to Richard Norton ? A good idea and I have here a numbered but already not named asteroid (163800) 2003 QS69. Regards, André -- IMCA #4122 MetSoc #5222 Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton
Hi Andre: There is already 3869 Norton (as in Norton's Atlas), but I do not see one for Richard, I am amazed. Larry Excellent, André, I am taking the liberty to send your suggestion (copy of your mail) to the Meteorite List. This, just to avoid cross-cutting of similar ideas and perhaps to get a step forward towards the idea...? Thanks (for Richard and Dorothy!) My best, Zelimir At 12:36 28/05/2009, you wrote: Hello Zelimir, Suggestion: should we try to sensitize the scientific community to name one of the next discovered asteroids in honor to Richard Norton ? A good idea and I have here a numbered but already not named asteroid (163800) 2003 QS69. Regards, André -- IMCA #4122 MetSoc #5222 Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Richard Norton...a Great man, Father, Husband, meteorite collector and Author
Dear Dorothy, I want to give my condolences for your great loss and my heart goes out to you and your family. It is very sad news that a man who was so passionate and full of life has passed away. I never had the pleasure to have met you or Richard in his brief lifetime here on earth, but have heard and read to many wonderful words of him over the past nearly 10 years since I started collecting meteorites. I feel I honestly missed out in not having the chance to shake the hand of someone who was so eager to share a story and discuss this wonderful hobby we all are involved in. Rocks from Space is certainly the number one book that helped me learn more about our passion. Please know that he will always be remembered by our community and that if you ever need anything from us we are all here for you to lend a helping hand. Truly a great man has gone from this earth and into the heavens. Brian Cox __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending on Saturday
Dear Listees, Our ebay auctions ending on Saturday can be seen at: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ50QQsassZmeteoriteshow They include: 1- DaG 951 - L5 - 35.1g partslice: dimensions 65x45x5mm Displays metal falkes in a dark highly metamorphized matrix. STILL AT $1.00 STARTING PRICE!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=330330497982 2- FUSION CRUSTED OC #FB-66-08 - 650g - Indiv: dimensions 91x75x58mm. Probably a L chondrite according to attraction to a magnet, compared with known chondrites. ~95% FUSION CRUSTED with REGMAGLYPTS (2 small chips). http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=330330498002 3- Gao-Guenie - H5 - 3.8g ORIENTED individual: dimensions 17x14x9mm. Beautifully oriented, with FLOW LINES: GORGEOUS!!! Complete individual offered as found from the strewnfield. STILL AT $1.00 STARTING PRICE!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=330330498007 4- SAH 02500 L3 - 502.2g 5 pces weighing respectively 123.95g + 103.54g + 102.87g + 86.50g + 85.34g. 4 of them are partially fusion crusted, one of them displays a HUGE CLAST! Some of them display quite big chondrules at the surface... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=330330498015 5- Sikhote-Alin IRON IIAB - 18.6g oriented ind.: dimensions 26x18x11mm. Nice orientation, with regmaglyptes. STILL AT $1.00 STARTING PRICE!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=330330498028 Thank you very much for watching and best wishes to ALL BIDDERS!!! Kind regards, Frederic Beroud http://www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Richard Norton
Dorothy and all, How do you spell meteorite?-O-R-I-C-H-A-R-D-N-O-R-T-O-N. This name is irrevocably tied to meteorites and their study. Richard has done more to popularize and introduce the world to meteorites and meteoritics through his wonderful books than any person I can think of. Richard states in his preface to the second edition of Rocks From Space that he wrote it to fill an obvious void. That void was most admirably filled! The book was enthusiastically received by both amateurs and scientists and continues to be the best introduction to meteorites available, and Dorothy, your art on the cover makes it most visually appealing as well as the artwork for his follow-up books, The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites and the Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites. The name and the works of Richard Norton will live on in all of us who love meteorites. Dorothy, as you grieve the loss of Richard's physical presence in your life may God's grace and His peace that passes all understanding be with you in the days to come and until you meet again. My best, Thomas H. Webb __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton...a Great man, Father, Husband, meteorite collector and Author
Dear Dorothy, we wish to express our deepest sympathy and condolences to you and all the familly/friends. We spent wonderfull time with both of you and we will always remember Richard. We learned a lot from beeing with you and we had some good laugh and excitement on so many subjects. May the Light, God, Spirit of the Universe or whatever its name is, been with Him and close next to You. Your friends from France, Bruno Carine - Original Message - From: Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: impact...@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton...a Great man, Father, Husband,meteorite collector and Author Dear Dorothy, I want to give my condolences for your great loss and my heart goes out to you and your family. It is very sad news that a man who was so passionate and full of life has passed away. I never had the pleasure to have met you or Richard in his brief lifetime here on earth, but have heard and read to many wonderful words of him over the past nearly 10 years since I started collecting meteorites. I feel I honestly missed out in not having the chance to shake the hand of someone who was so eager to share a story and discuss this wonderful hobby we all are involved in. Rocks from Space is certainly the number one book that helped me learn more about our passion. Please know that he will always be remembered by our community and that if you ever need anything from us we are all here for you to lend a helping hand. Truly a great man has gone from this earth and into the heavens. Brian Cox __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton
Hello everyone, I spent all day Wednesday at an inspirational and motivational seminar, and this was my first opportunity to check emails. When I saw the huge number of messages in my inbox, I knew something had happened. Watching all of the messages scroll up the screen while being downloaded, with most of them displaying Richard Norton in the header, I could only hope that the news was good. Alas, it was not. I was saddened to learn of Richard's passing. His book, Rocks From Space was the very first meteorite book I purchased. I was introduced to his work by a meteorite collector who is also a member of our local Astronomy club. I was so motivated by what I read in just a few minutes, that I purchased a copy on Amazon.com that evening. When the second edition of Rocks From Space came out, I purchased a copy in hardcover from a meteorite list member. Much to my pleasure, this copy was signed by both O. Richard, and Dorothy Norton! Meeting Richard at a meteorite related event or show was something that I had hoped would happen one day. I wanted to share with him how through his book, my interest in collecting meteorites was spawned. Although he is gone, his works will continue to inspire me and others. When I stop and think about it, Richard inspired me more in the few minutes I spent browsing my friend's copy of Rocks From Space than I was inspired throughout the entire day I just spent at that seminar. That says a lot about Richard, and I want everyone to know how much I appreciated his work. I want to extend my condolences to Dorothy Norton, and the Norton family. Their loss is ours a well. Warmest regards, Ed Deckert IMCA #8911 - Original Message - From: impact...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; carionminer...@wanadoo.fr Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton Hello List-Members, Late last night I received a very sad email from Dorothy Norton. Richard Norton passed away last week, after a long illness. I had known fot quite some time that Richard was in poor health, still the news of his death came as a shock. Last time I called Dorothy, I heard piano playing in the background, Chopin and very good, I thought it was a CD playing or the radio, but Dorothy told me it was Richard, and we stopped a moment to listen, it was beautiful, I had no idea Richard was such a virtuoso. I had met Richard and Dorothy several years ago in Tucson, Thanks to Twink. I was very much a new comer then , and I found Richard to be bright, friendly, funny and so approchable. I still remember showing him a slice of Tafassasset, he looked at it with his loupe for quite a while, then told me that this meteorite left him speechless. Dorothy laughed, apparently Richard was rarely speechless. And now there is that great big hole in the middle of the Meteorite Community. Please read the obituary written by Dorothy and Joel Schiff: http://www.impactika.com/rnorton.doc I do know that Dorothy reads the List, so feel free to send her a message this way. Or, if you prefer, I'll be glad to relay your private message to her. Thank you. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ **Dinner Made Easy Newsletter - Simple Meal Ideas for Your Family. Sign Up Now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221991367x1201443283/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225819%3B37274678%3Bs% 3Fhttp:%2F%2Frecipes.dinnermadeeasy.com%2F%3FESRC%3D622) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12480 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay items ending today
Hi to all, hope everyone is doing well. I have several ebay items up for sale currently, 2 of the NWA 4734 Lunar samples for sale end today. These Lunar are priced to sell, you will have a hard time finding nice quality Lunar at this price. I also have some L'Aigle, Tatahouine, Allende, NWA 5480 and many other Achondrites listed, all at reasonable prices with some auctions starting at only 1 penny! You can see what I have for sale here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZstar_wars_coiiectorQQhtZ-1 Several people have purchased some of the NWA 4734 Lunar from me and have been very pleased with it! Dont miss out on your chance to pick some up at the very reasonable price I am asking ($200 or more below market value) Greg C. www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Richard Norton
Meteorite friends, I was not going to post on this sad topic, having only been collecting 3 or 4 years. I figured that since I had never met this great man, I didn't have anything useful to contribute. But perhaps it's people like me who have the most thanks to give. After acquiring my first few meager meteorites, I bought Rocks From Space, at the recommendation of the seller. What an eye opener! The other books quickly followed. I have learned much from them and will continue to learn more. He has left an enormous legacy for which I am thankful. I wish I'd had the privilege of meeting him, but will strive to know him more through his books. My condolences and prayers go out to Dorothy and the rest of the Norton family. Linton Rohr __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Richard Norton
the spirit of a man lives in the good things he has left to his community. his seminal work has grown so many plants and each carry a bit of his spirit. with gratitude and appreciation. Leandro Saracino IMCA 2689 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (no subject)
I found the following paper in Science rather interesting. Couzin-Frankel, J., and J. Grom, 2009, Plagiarism Sleuths. Science. vol. 324, no. 5930, pp. 1004-1007, DOI: 10.1126/science.324_1004 http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/324/5930/1004 Some related web pages and papers are: Deja Vu: a Database of Highly Similar and Duplicate Citations http://spore.swmed.edu/dejavu/ Errami, M., H. Garner, N. Rifai, P. M. Bossuyt, and D. E. Bruns, 2008, Identifying Duplicate Publications: Primum non Nocere. Clinical Chemistry. vol. 54, pp. 777-778. http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/extract/54/5/777 Errami , M., J. M. Hicks , W. Fisher, D. Trusty, J. D. Wren, T. C. Long, and H, R. Garner, 2008, Déjà vu—A study of duplicate citations in Medline. Bioinformatics. vol. 24, no. 2, pp. 243-249; doi:10.1093/bioinformatics/btm574 http://bioinformatics.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/24/2/243 Errami, M., and H. Garner, 2008, Commentary, A tale of two citations. Nature. vol. 451, pp. 397-399 doi:10.1038/451397a http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v451/n7177/full/451397a.html eTBLAST http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETBLAST Yours, Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bruno Fectay contact info
Bruno, I have tried to reach you at this email and get the following message; The reasons given by the server are included to help you determine why each recipient was rejected. Recipient: i...@meteorite.fr Reason:5.0.0 i...@meteorite.fr... We don't accept spam You know me. I am not spam I have legitimate business with you. Can this be corrected? Thanks Carl Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Request from Kenya on suspect rock
I (Eric Hutton) am conected with the Federation of Astronomical Societies in the UK, and we recently had an unsolicited email asking is this a piece of a meteorite? I have put up the three photographs received (some are not that clear) here... www.meteoritehistory.info/image1.jpg www.meteoritehistory.info/image2.jpg www.meteoritehistory.info/image3.jpg together with the text of the original email... What do people think? If anyone want's to follow this up I can forward contact details. I don't wan't to post there email or contact details without asking first, maybe a small piece could be chipped off for analysis. Message follows... Dear People, My neighbor, Mr Jarvis Njoroge (pictured) says that he retrieved a whitish rock in Kitengela, about 40 km south east of Nairobi, Kenya, from maasai herdsmen who say it fell from the sky. There're no other rocks of that type in the area. It looks burnt on the edges and is probably a shard of something bigger. Might it be a meteorite? I have pictures of it and will be happy if you could guide me on where to send them. Thanks for your time, Kariuki Kiragu, Nairobi, Kenya __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Request from Kenya on suspect rock
Eric, I suggest that you contact Dr Paul Baki of the Department of Physics, University of Nairobi - pb...@mail.uonbi.ac.ke. He might be able to help, and he's in country. Jay Tate The Spaceguard Centre http://www.spaceguarduk.com Eric Hutton wrote: I (Eric Hutton) am conected with the Federation of Astronomical Societies in the UK, and we recently had an unsolicited email asking is this a piece of a meteorite? I have put up the three photographs received (some are not that clear) here... www.meteoritehistory.info/image1.jpg www.meteoritehistory.info/image2.jpg www.meteoritehistory.info/image3.jpg together with the text of the original email... What do people think? If anyone want's to follow this up I can forward contact details. I don't wan't to post there email or contact details without asking first, maybe a small piece could be chipped off for analysis. Message follows... Dear People, My neighbor, Mr Jarvis Njoroge (pictured) says that he retrieved a whitish rock in Kitengela, about 40 km south east of Nairobi, Kenya, from maasai herdsmen who say it fell from the sky. There're no other rocks of that type in the area. It looks burnt on the edges and is probably a shard of something bigger. Might it be a meteorite? I have pictures of it and will be happy if you could guide me on where to send them. Thanks for your time, Kariuki Kiragu, Nairobi, Kenya __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Addition to Searching for Meteorites in the Deserts of Oman
Thank you Paul for the article. I just want to add some information, partially missing in the article, and maybe not so well known among the newer collectors. To avoid any misunderstanding I first have to say, that the Suisse searching campaign are exemplary and a success. Amateur collectors of meteorites have been accused of inappropriately handling them and inadequately documenting their finds, making life difficult for the scientists who want to study the rocks. There is missing a wrongly and the term amateur is somewhat improper. Because these searchers documented each find with all data, took the geographical coordinates, made in-situ photos, were sometimes describing the properties of the surrounding soils and brought them to the normal classification process, so that they were published by the Meteoritical Society. Furthermore the finds were available to everyone, of course to scientists too and that more readily than e.g. the Antarctic finds with their distribution system. Several of these searchers were examined geologists and some of them even were employed at one of the leading institutes of meteorites. Additionally many of them were responsible for the earlier desert finds in Libya, before they opened up with their activities the desert of Oman for research. Another hint, that these searchers should rather be called professionals might be their find record. Let's take a look on the lunaites and Martians, because they are highlighted in the article. These searchers found all in all 78 stones of lunaites, representing 19 different falls, with a combined weight of 10,077 grams. The Suisse campaigns from 2001 on found 1 stone, representing 1 lunaite, weighing 206g. Martians: The amateurs found 3 different Martian meteorites, totalling 12,282grams Suisse teams: 1 stone, 223grams - an additional find of a Martian, where of the amateur searcher had found the 2 years before more than 10kgs. Nowadays, since a few years, searching and export permits are issued by the Omani authorities only for the Suisse-Oman-team and for nobody else anymore. A situation, where one could come to the opinion, which is far from being ideal, at least seeing the requirements of planetology and science. A solution could be, to involve the so successful searchers from former times into the official campaigns. in fact it was the appearance (and sale) of those rocks The commercial argument is proven to be weak. E.g. seen the costs for the expedition, salaries insurances and the classification and lab equipment, there wouldn't have any difference, if the authorities of Oman would have acquired ready classified chondrites up to 5-10kgs from these private searchers, if I remember their prices correcly. (didn't made the stats, but I would be surprised, if less than 80%++ of all finds in Oman would be ordinary chondrites). And in general, as explained here several times - the acquiring costs of annual World-output of new meteorites by the private/commercial side do not exceed the costs of 3-4 normal midsized research projects in other displines of 1st-World-universities. the Oman project is the only long-term search program currently being conducted in a hot desert. Unfortunately that is true. Which leads two to questions: How legitimate or how meaningful are then the restrictive legislation, which was enforced (and which is about to be enforced) in other countries with deserts similar productive like the Omani desert, prohibiting private searching if the research policy in these countries isn't able to conduct continously official meteorite expeditions? The complete break-down of the number of finds in Libya and Australia is documented in the Meteoritical Bulletin Database published by the Meteoritical Society: http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php The same type of legislation is planned for the NWA-sector, Possibly leading to similar results. And secondly, one could feel a wrong weighting of meteorite science, if not more of such expeditions are carried out. Here the article is very good, in outlining, that the research on meteorites is the essential research about the solar system, our origins and in gathering basic information for planetology. Seen the expenses for Earth-bound observatories and space-flight missions, handling similar questions, it is hardly understandable that so few means are used for the search for meteorites and the scientific work on them, as there exist no research on our solar system, which is so efficient like the research on meteorites. To invest in a more sufficient way in labs and expeditions for meteorites, especially for desert meteorites, where the cost compared to the Antarctic campaigns are lower with a factor of 50-100 (and where the find rates are higher) would still be, compared to the budgets of the neighbouring disciplines, nothing else than peanuts. Insofar, such articles are very important, to raise more attention. samples weighing four tons. Wasn't
[meteorite-list] Looking at rocks
Hi list, There have been a couple requests to look at rocks today so I figured, why not add an other to the list. I very recently purchased this eBay lot # 260412467815 and before I get a look at them I was wondering if there were any opinions as to what they might be. Particularly the purpose of the large glass slides in Stanford envelopes. Thanks for looking. Tom **We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew0007) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton
Dorothy, I am very saddened by the news of Richards passing. Rocks from Space is my favorite book on meteorites. I have at least 6 copies in my library. I enjoyed meeting and talking meteorites with you and Richard in Tucson several times over the years. I shared his love and appreciation for the study of meteorites in thin sections. He is already and will continue to be Greatly Missed! Warmest Regards, Fred Olsen, Denver __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Looking at rocks
Hi, Tom, List The last slide pictured (four round sections) is identifiable from the names: Dentalina is a foraminifer microfossil. Nodosaria is a foraminifer microfossil. Nodogenerina is a foraminifer microfossil... Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: starsandsco...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:15 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking at rocks Hi list, There have been a couple requests to look at rocks today so I figured, why not add an other to the list. I very recently purchased this eBay lot # 260412467815 and before I get a look at them I was wondering if there were any opinions as to what they might be. Particularly the purpose of the large glass slides in Stanford envelopes. Thanks for looking. Tom **We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew0007) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton
To hold in your hand something alien, created before Earth existed, irresistible. Once, while giving a lecture to a group of vacationers on a cruise ship, I casually handed a meteorite to someone in the first row and asked that it be passed around so everyone would have a chance to hold a rock from space older than Earth. The reaction was electric. People clambered to touch it, and a riot nearly ensued. The allure of these ancient rocks is universal. They speak in all languages. To hold something older than Earth is to return to creation itself... O. Richard Norton Rocks from Space (from the Introduction) All has already been said, and this tribute to Richard Norton has been appropriately incredible. Returning to these words (the best I've ever seen to describe the sensation we all know so well) from time to time has become habit for me, and I'll always appreciate more than words can say the wonderful doors of inspirational opportunity this book has opened for me and countless others... With deepest sympathies and highest regards, Dave Gheesling IMCA #5967 www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of impact...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:57 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; carionminer...@wanadoo.fr Subject: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton Hello List-Members, Late last night I received a very sad email from Dorothy Norton. Richard Norton passed away last week, after a long illness. I had known fot quite some time that Richard was in poor health, still the news of his death came as a shock. Last time I called Dorothy, I heard piano playing in the background, Chopin and very good, I thought it was a CD playing or the radio, but Dorothy told me it was Richard, and we stopped a moment to listen, it was beautiful, I had no idea Richard was such a virtuoso. I had met Richard and Dorothy several years ago in Tucson, Thanks to Twink. I was very much a new comer then , and I found Richard to be bright, friendly, funny and so approchable. I still remember showing him a slice of Tafassasset, he looked at it with his loupe for quite a while, then told me that this meteorite left him speechless. Dorothy laughed, apparently Richard was rarely speechless. And now there is that great big hole in the middle of the Meteorite Community. Please read the obituary written by Dorothy and Joel Schiff: http://www.impactika.com/rnorton.doc I do know that Dorothy reads the List, so feel free to send her a message this way. Or, if you prefer, I'll be glad to relay your private message to her. Thank you. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ **Dinner Made Easy Newsletter - Simple Meal Ideas for Your Family. Sign Up Now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221991367x1201443283/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225819%3B37274678%3Bs% 3Fhttp:%2F%2Frecipes.dinnermadeeasy.com%2F%3FESRC%3D622) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Richard Norton: stunned shock
Hello everyone - In my day to day work with impacts I deal with the sudden unexpected deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. I try to remain light hearted in my comments, as these impacts are bad news that many people have trouble facing. I am so light hearted that sometimes people wonder why I am so intense as well. I suppose that there is no higher tribute to the character of Richard Norton than the fact that the meteorite community has come to a screeching halt. The wikipedia entry should be easy to write, just by taking the obituary which his wife Dorothy wrote and placing it there. Reading this obituary, I was surprised to learn of his development of the fish-eye lens, as I had by quite taken at Disneyland by the 3-D effect when an image is projected against a hemisphere. Beyond the meteorite community, this technology touches millions of people each year. I wonder if his illness was related to his work at the atomic tests? Many have passed due to radiation exposure at these; no one knew at the time. Bottom line, Richard Norton was blessed with opportunities which he made the most of. He was also blessed to find a good partner, and had a long life, passing while surrounded by friends and family. Not many have such a fate. The lesson that I take from this is that we should keep in mind that each moment of life is precious, and we should make the most of it. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ancient Volcanic Eruptions Caused Middle Permian Mass Extinction
Ancient Volcanic Eruptions Caused Global Mass Extinction Science Daily, May 28, 2009 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090528142827.htm New evidence for volcanoes as source of mass extinction Scientific American, May 28, 2009 http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=new-evidence-for-volcanoes-as-sourc-2009-05-28 The paper is: Wignall, P. B., Y. Sun, D. P. G. Bond, G. Izon, R. J. Newton, S. Vedrine, M. Widdowson, J. R. Ali, X. Lai, H. Jiang, H. Cope, and S. H. Bottrell, 2009, Volcanism, Mass Extinction, and Carbon Isotope Fluctuations in the Middle Permian of China. Science. vol. 324. no. 5931, pp. 1179 - 1182 http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/324/5931/1179 Yours, Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad Sale Meteorite auctions ending Friday night May 29, 2009 and over the weekend
Hello, I have a few meteorite auctions ending this weekend with a nice McKinney ending Friday night and more during this next week. Please take a look at my ebay seller's page. http://my.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MyEbaygbh=1 Thanks for looking! Brian Cox IMCA # 6387 searchingforfun on ebay McKinney 9 grams Texas Uvalde 183 grams Texas Cocklebiddy 25.68 grams Australia Allende 31.1 grams Lots of Crust Allende 16 gramsLots of Crust Balcarce 25.2 grams Argentina NWA 788 36 grams Gold Basin 21 grams Gold Basin 20.3 grams Pultusk 1.64 grams NWA 070 4.7 grams NWA 179754 grams Nantan 25 grams China GSS019 Great Sand Seas 18.19 grams Mont Dieu France 13 grams Iron-Ungrouped AC001 Alain Carion LL3/5 9.85 grams Potter .5 grams Nebraska __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
