Re: [meteorite-list] A question????? -an answer!!!

2009-06-05 Thread Jason Utas
Of course, if anyone here is familiar with Tintin (in particular, Tintin and The Shooting Star), one knows that the elements in at least some meteorites can create such beasts... http://farm1.static.flickr.com/3/4224425_e9c3ce4f4e.jpg On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Mexicodougmexicod...@aim.com

Re: [meteorite-list] Panspermia, Reverse Panspermia Life In Space

2009-06-05 Thread Mark Ford
Many studies have been done which suggest some microbes or Archaea could potentially survive a short trip to mars inside a rock (under perfect ideal conditions that is), even Lichen has been shown to survive in space. But the physics of a suitable impact would suggest that at best we would be

Re: [meteorite-list] A question?????

2009-06-05 Thread Jeff Grossman
I think most scientists would call it a terrestrial meteorite, or perhaps a terran meteorite. jeff Pete shu...@clearwire.net wrote: We have the Martian type meteorite, and we have the Lunar meteorite and last, the asteroid 4Vesta meteorite. These we know where they come from. Now the

[meteorite-list] AD - NWA 5731 thin sections images for chondrules fans

2009-06-05 Thread Philippe Thomas
Dear List, I cannot resist to the temptation to show, to the fans of chondrules, the images of the thin sections (NWA 5731, LL3) which I have just obtained. Just for the pleasure of eyes, these thin sections shall be for sale to Ensisheim. These images from Damien Mollex are in a page of the

[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men - Series or just one?

2009-06-05 Thread Richard Kowalski
I was watching Meteorite Men again last night and was wondering if anyone knows if the program is a series or if it is a single, stand alone program? (Jeff or Steve?) It certainly appears to be the first in a series, but I haven't seen anything to confirm this. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski

[meteorite-list] AD: Thin Sections, all the cool kids are doing it!

2009-06-05 Thread MeteorHntr
Hello List, I have added a few things to my Ebay Store. Some cool Oriented Gaos and other oddities. Of note is the 20% sale I am running on the Thin Sections for this weekend (starting at 1pm Eastern). They were priced low to start with. 20% off is a great deal. Even if you don't

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men - Series or just one?

2009-06-05 Thread Richard Kowalski
Sorry, Geoff... Not Jeff -- Richard __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

[meteorite-list] Panspermia and Mars back contamination

2009-06-05 Thread E.P. Grondine
Hi all - One of the big reasons for the push behind panspermia comes from the usual manned Mars flight nuts who hope to wish away the back-contamination problem. One can read Zubrin or his followers to see examples this kind of wishful hand waving and jumping and shouting (Fearing the

Re: [meteorite-list] Panspermia and Mars back contamination

2009-06-05 Thread Meteorites USA
Hmmm... Though related to my questions, it's not exactly what I was referring to... I'm not familiar with Zubrin, but it sounds as if it's not really something I want to get into a debate about. Your comment about pathogens and manned flight returning from Mars poses a serious implication.

[meteorite-list] NWA 5731 thin sections images for chondrules fans

2009-06-05 Thread bernd . pauli
Bonjour, salut, Léa et Philippe, I cannot resist to the temptation to show, to the fans of chondrules, the images of the thin sections (NWA 5731, LL3) which I have just obtained. Wow! Definitely a feast for a chondrule lover's eyes! Will have to buy a slice of NWA 5731 and a thin section (or

Re: [meteorite-list] A question????? another answer

2009-06-05 Thread Mr EMan
Pete sometime let me tell you about the First Church of the Navelites.. but to your question They would be called meteorites until identified as originating from the Earth--then the debate is opened up again. Recently someone at NASA or in the IAU stated the new definition of meteorite

[meteorite-list] Assorted Thin Section Images

2009-06-05 Thread Greg Catterton
I thought I would add a little something to the thin section posts. I have become a very big fan of thin sections since my introduction to them. I find they offer a really unique look into just what meteorites really are. I owe a big thanks to Anthony Love at App State for sparking my interest

Re: [meteorite-list] Panspermia, Reverse Panspermia Life In Space

2009-06-05 Thread Mr EMan
Totally agree with Mark's quote below about Panspermia. As to reverse contamination-- studies so far suggest launching and landing temperatures are sufficiently low that neither process sterilizes the cargo: Mars to Earth or Earth to Mars transport. Elton --- On Fri, 6/5/09, Mark Ford

Re: [meteorite-list] Panspermia, Reverse Panspermia Life In Space

2009-06-05 Thread Galactic Stone Ironworks
Thanks to Eric for starting this discussion. It's been great reading - pass the popcorn. :) One thought from the peanut gallery - what if we (or some other species) accidentally terraformed a world by contaminating it with microbes? Imagine if a world like Mars got infected (so to speak) with a

Re: [meteorite-list] Panspermia, Reverse Panspermia Life In Space

2009-06-05 Thread Chris Peterson
There are really two kinds of panspermia. The extreme sort, which is hard to take seriously, is that life was seeded on Earth from deep space. The other, which is hard _not_ to take seriously, is that life (or its building blocks) might have been distributed within the Solar System by impacts.

Re: [meteorite-list] Panspermia and Mars back contamination

2009-06-05 Thread Carl 's
Uh oh, too late! I have a few Martian crumbs in my collection. *cough* *cough* Getting dizzy... Carl Eric wrote: ...Your comment about pathogens and manned flight returning from Mars poses a serious implication... _ Lauren

[meteorite-list] Assorted Thin Section Images

2009-06-05 Thread bernd . pauli
Greg C. writes: I thought I would add a little something to the thin section posts. A little something is clearly an understatement. Wow! Thanks for sharing them with us! Beautiful insights into the microcosmos of our beloved meteorites! Best wishes, Bernd

Re: [meteorite-list] Panspermia, Reverse Panspermia Life In Space

2009-06-05 Thread Michael Farmer
Test Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jun 5, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to Eric for starting this discussion. It's been great reading - pass the popcorn. :) One thought from the peanut gallery - what if we (or some other species)

Re: [meteorite-list] Panspermia and Mars back contamination

2009-06-05 Thread Chris Peterson
Hyperventilate and start drinking Sterno... Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Carl 's carloselgua...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, June 05,

Re: [meteorite-list] Panspermia and Mars back contamination

2009-06-05 Thread Carl 's
Yes, I recall a movie about hyperventilation. Don't remember the sterno part, though. Feel better already, thanks! *wheeze* Carl _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®.

Re: [meteorite-list] A question????? another answer

2009-06-05 Thread cdtucson
Elton, There you go again providing the perfect answers. Thank you. I have a few follow-up questions for you; If an Earth meteorite (terrene) were to return back to Earth, would we be able to identify it correctly? That is to say would we not simply ASSume it came from the moon? As a moon

Re: [meteorite-list] Panspermia and Mars back contamination

2009-06-05 Thread Galactic Stone Ironworks
I caught Andromeda Strain from a Tagish Lake sample when I first started collecting. 500mg of Amoxicillin, twice a day, knocked it out pretty quick. ;) On 6/5/09, Carl 's carloselgua...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, I recall a movie about hyperventilation. Don't remember the sterno part,

Re: [meteorite-list] Panspermia and Mars back contamination

2009-06-05 Thread Greg Hupe
Better yet... I recommend 10mg of NWA 998 crumbs in a glass of champagne, followed by 20mg of NWA 482 (or 3163) in a glass of iced rum and coke (fizzles pretty well! or was that my brain?!). Don't laugh, really happened, except for the fizzled brain (but now I am beginning to wonder a few

Re: [meteorite-list] Panspermia and Mars back contamination

2009-06-05 Thread Galactic Stone Ironworks
All kidding aside - I had a customer tell me once, that many years ago, back in the 1950s when he was a kid, he got his hands on some trinitite and proceeded to eat a piece of it. He thought he might acquire super powers - like the comic books said at that time. After some back and forth, I

[meteorite-list] On a serious note

2009-06-05 Thread Pete shu...@clearwire.net
I propose an experiment.. A small container containing a mixture of gasses that are the equal to a Mars atmosphere with a mixture of some material from a Mars meteorite. (Such material needs to come from the center of the meteorite to lessen the chances of contamination from earth origins).

Re: [meteorite-list] Panspermia and Mars back contamination

2009-06-05 Thread Rob McCafferty
On a more realistic note...(though I applaud the jocularity) The whole fear that return samples from Mars, either by robotic mission or manned, seems thoroughly irrational to me. The very idea that a microbe that MAY exist on present day Mars that will have spent 3 Aeons adapting to a cold,

Re: [meteorite-list] A question????? another answer

2009-06-05 Thread Rob McCafferty
This is a recurrent theme, one I am interested in myself and when I first joined this list I heard a lot of really good stuff but never saved the mails. Earth vs lunar is quite easy to nail down. The geology of lunar meteorites tend to be rather similar despite different physical appearances.

Re: [meteorite-list] Panspermia and Mars back contamination

2009-06-05 Thread Martin Altmann
Btw. Are there already results of the SPORES and the MARSTOX II experiments available? Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Rob McCafferty Gesendet: Samstag, 6. Juni

[meteorite-list] Addendum to On a Serious Note

2009-06-05 Thread Pete shu...@clearwire.net
Well, some further thoughts There are some things we would not be able to control. The gravitational field. The electrical field and it's associated magnetic field. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that there was lightning on Mars. This would provide that requsite lightning strike. An

[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - June 6, 2009

2009-06-05 Thread SPACEROCKSINC
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Re: [meteorite-list] Addendum to On a Serious Note

2009-06-05 Thread GeoZay
This all reminds me of the experiment that Dr. Harold Urey performed many years ago that produced amino acids from inorganic chemicals that simulated an early earth environment. GeoZay There are some things we would not be able to control. The gravitational field. The electrical field and

Re: [meteorite-list] A question????? another answer

2009-06-05 Thread Mr EMan
You are too kind, Carl. Let me address your questions inside your quote: --- On Fri, 6/5/09, cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Q: I have a few follow-up questions for you; If an Earth meteorite (terrene) were to return back to Earth, would we be able to identify it correctly? A: Yes

Re: [meteorite-list] A question????? another answer Correction#1

2009-06-05 Thread Mr EMan
OOps Popagui is spelled Popigai and is almost the same age as Chesapeake Bay. I am aware there is a lot of brecciated quartzite in the rim so it is another candidate for producing Earthites Elton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] A question????? another answer

2009-06-05 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi, E and List, Bret Gladman's simulations of rocks blasted off the Earth by impact show about 50% of them being re-captured from independent orbits and returning as meteorites. The time scale for re-capture varies from 10,000 years to 10,000,000 years. So, if there were any returns from the

Re: [meteorite-list] On a serious note

2009-06-05 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi, Pete, List These experiments have been done, starting early in the 1950's. They were called Mars Jars! In general, the answer is that Earthly life of the simple and tough varieties does very well in a wide range of other-worldly environments. This without enough time to genetically adapt