Re: [meteorite-list] More stupid media use of meteorites
take some cool effects and mix them with the newest Y2k end of the world plot and every possible natural desaster know to man. Badah Bing Badah Boom. We are simple creatures... [Erik] From: cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:13:53 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] More stupid media use of meteorites http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/2012/trailer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] First Ensisheim 2009 Pics
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[meteorite-list] Even More stupid media use of meteorites
Darren wrote: http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/2012/trailer For even more hype, disaster movie 2012 also has a faux scientific website at: http://www.instituteforhumancontinuity.org/ It is the home of a entirely fictitious The Institute for Human Continuity. The website has a fictional lottery to select those who will be saved when 94 percent of the world is destroyed as a result of a fictional Earth Crustal Displacement. I guess nobody ever went broke underestimating the gullibility of the American public. In addition, ABC will have mini-series called Impact will be broadcast on June 21. It is about a giant meteor storm that hits the Moon increasing it mass to the point that it becomes twice that of Earth and threatens to fall on Earth. It is discussed in If I watch this I hope the Moon *will* hit the Earth on the Bad Astronomy web page at: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/15/if-i-watch-this-i-hope-the-moon-will-hit-the-earth/ Best Regards Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - June 19, 2009
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Re: [meteorite-list] Even More stupid media use of meteorites
Hi All: If they had only spent a tenth of their budget in this on getting science facts correct as they spent on this stuff in general... How many people are going to believe this stuff? If I read this site correctly, the Sun will be in the center of the galaxy? If that were true, we would have a lot more to worry about than planet x (like being pulled into a black hole). Larry Lebofsky wasting my time teaching real science to teachers and kids on a lot smaller budget Darren wrote: http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/2012/trailer For even more hype, disaster movie 2012 also has a faux scientific website at: http://www.instituteforhumancontinuity.org/ It is the home of a entirely fictitious The Institute for Human Continuity. The website has a fictional lottery to select those who will be saved when 94 percent of the world is destroyed as a result of a fictional Earth Crustal Displacement. I guess nobody ever went broke underestimating the gullibility of the American public. In addition, ABC will have mini-series called Impact will be broadcast on June 21. It is about a giant meteor storm that hits the Moon increasing it mass to the point that it becomes twice that of Earth and threatens to fall on Earth. It is discussed in If I watch this I hope the Moon *will* hit the Earth on the Bad Astronomy web page at: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/15/if-i-watch-this-i-hope-the-moon-will-hit-the-earth/ Best Regards Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Even More stupid media use of meteorites
Hello Larry, Darren and All, Whoa!! That trailer looks awesome! First time I'd seen it. I'm a sucker for these disaster movies. How many times have you seen a nuclear aircraft carrier capsizing unto a city? Anyway, thanks to everyone one this list, at least I now know incoming stones shouldn't be flaming like that. So at least not everyone will be believing all of this stuff. I wonder if they'll show people scrambling around collecting those meteorites? Now that would be funny and more believable. No, I'm not making fun of meteorite hunters but I think it's something most of us on this list would do. Of course the sun (and presumable us) won't be in the center of the galaxy in 2012, but would appear thru line of sight to be. I think it's all a matter of language. Carl, the easily awestruck. _ Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurantsform=MLOGENpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Post for Langs
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Re: [meteorite-list] Even More stupid media use of meteorites
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:51:59 -0700, you wrote: How many times have you seen a nuclear aircraft carrier capsizing unto a city? That's not a city, that's JFK returning to the White House. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More stupid media use of meteorites
Hi Darren, Carl, Paul, List, I started to reply to this yesterday but got pulled away before I could send the email. So far I've read 3 negative comments against this movie and one positive. Come on guys... It's a movie! And before you guys jump on me exclaiming that the movie should be more scientifically accurate, and Hollywood is only in it for the money I want to say. You're Right! The movie should have more accurate information regarding asteroid/meteorite impacts, but... It's Hollywood! They don't get paid to be accurate, they get paid with ticket sales, DVDs, adverts, licensing, etc. What the heck did you think Hollywood was going to do? Did you think Hollywood would ignore 2012? What better way than to play on the public's paranoia and fears. They've done it since the beginning of movie time! I don't know why this irks me when people seem to be overly judgmental and like to bash things just because. I'm not defending the inaccuracies in the movie, but sheesh. It's entertainment. I'm kind of torn about it this. Part of me loves the Hollywood visual effects and CGI, the sound was awesome too. On the flip side, I do wish I people would learn more about asteroid impacts and depict them in a scientifically accurate manner. It is possible to balance science and entertainment, but it's difficult, and cost loads of cash in a big budget film like this one to hire expert scientific advisers. I like the premise, love the visuals, and let them have their artistic license. 2012 is a great idea for a movie... Now I wonder what Steven Spielberg George Lucas has planned for the upcoming doom-n-gloom date. That's a movie I eagerly await! Regards, Eric Darren Garrison wrote: http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/2012/trailer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA http://www.meteoritesusa.com 904-236-5394 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Age of Man
List, I have two questions about this very interesting video that may be a bit off topic. The questions are ; Could this possibly be true and does this sort of thing happen in meteoritic's. see link below.Thank's. Carl Esparza IMCA 5829 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nne_-j08yMo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man
I have two questions about this very interesting video that may be a bit off topic. The questions are ; Could this possibly be true and does this sort of thing happen in meteoritic's. see link below.Thank's. Did you notice at the beginning the logo of UFOTV? That alone should speak volumes. :O) GeoZay **Dell Inspiron 15: Now starting at $349 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222435718x1201460505/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick. net%2Fclk%3B215748553%3B38126199%3Bs) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man
What the video is suggesting is rubbish. The likelihood of man being much older is very, very small. Dating artifacts is notoriously difficult; dating techniques for organic material are very sensitive to contamination, and geological dating is unreliable (artifacts can easily end up in unexpected strata). Dates are generally determined by looking at lots of examples, so that the statistical uncertainty can be reduced. Taking a very small number of outliers and basing your conclusions on them is generally poor science. What is it exactly that you are suggesting could be the case with meteoritics? Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Age of Man List, I have two questions about this very interesting video that may be a bit off topic. The questions are ; Could this possibly be true and does this sort of thing happen in meteoritic's. see link below.Thank's. Carl Esparza __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Impact Earth
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Re: [meteorite-list] More stupid media use of meteorites
I'm not defending the inaccuracies in the movie, but sheesh. It's entertainment. Entertainment is fine, just as long as it doesn't provide the sole source of the general publics education. All sorts of weird things come about from that...such as reports of 14 year old boys getting hit by 35,000mph pebble sized glowing meteorites and live to tell about it. :O) GeoZay **Dell Inspiron 15: Now starting at $349 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222435718x1201460505/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick. net%2Fclk%3B215748553%3B38126199%3Bs) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:12:03 -0400, you wrote: Could this possibly be true Complete, utter, undiluted, unequivocated, barking at the moon bullshit. Insane, idiotic, paranoid woo. Incompetent, irrational nutbaggery. Need I break out a thesaurus and go on? does this sort of thing happen in meteoritic's Do people come up with weird, woo-filled conspiracy theories and then have their paranoia reinforced by nobody with serious knowledge take them seriously? Yes, all the time. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man
Thanks Darren, Now tell us how you really feel? LOL. Carl Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:12:03 -0400, you wrote: Could this possibly be true Complete, utter, undiluted, unequivocated, barking at the moon bullshit. Insane, idiotic, paranoid woo. Incompetent, irrational nutbaggery. Need I break out a thesaurus and go on? does this sort of thing happen in meteoritic's Do people come up with weird, woo-filled conspiracy theories and then have their paranoia reinforced by nobody with serious knowledge take them seriously? Yes, all the time. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More stupid media use of meteorites
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:12:03 -0700, you wrote: Come on guys... It's a movie! And before you guys jump on me exclaiming that the movie should be more scientifically accurate, and Hollywood is only in it for the money I want to say. You're Right! There is an old adage I've heard somewhere long ago about writing-- many famous, talented writers do not strictly follow the rules of grammar that you have pounded into you in school. So why (ask students) do we have to follow the rules if they don't? The answer given is that you need to know the rules to be allowed to break them. That's the same thing I see with movies like this-- the best of Science Fiction usually contains things that aren't scientifically valid to support the story-- time travel and FTL travel being two of the main ones. But the authors KNOW that they are dealing with impossibilities (high improbabilities?) when they write the material and hope that they can write it well enough that the readers/watchers are willing to suspend disbelief for the sake of the story. Hollywood productions like this and the moon one, on the other hand, are the product of people too poorly educated to even know that the stuff they are producing is a load of garbage. I'm very confident that they are clueless to the physics they are trashing with their silly premises. Breaking the rules when you KNOW the rules when doing so fits your needs I can respect. Breaking the rules because you are too poorly educated to know them, I can't. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] When the eye hits your moon...
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[meteorite-list] FW: 2012 Meteorite or not?
From: astror...@hotmail.com Subject: 2012 Meteorite or not? Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:28:24 -0500 Hello All... Long time reader, first time responder. Love the trailers and am looking forward to viewing. They are thought provoking, amusing and entertaining. But, what changes will we see during the 2012 winter solstice? I find it very interesting that the early Mayan, Egyptian, and Chinese astronomers picked that time for some kind of change or event. Oh, in one clip, I think I saw Farmer, Haag and Arnold running against the exiting masses of the city to get to the main mass.. Hope all have a Great weekend. Reloaded the GBII with fresh batteries and am ready. Dennis Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man
Chris, I am asking not telling but here is yet another example that is 360 million years old? How many odd examples does it take? If two men say they are Jesus, one of them must be wrong. Right? see link. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=itu=http://www.croponline.org/homoalaouite.htmlsa=Xoi=translateresnum=1ct=resultprev=/search%3Fq%3Dhomoalaouite%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG Carl Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: What the video is suggesting is rubbish. The likelihood of man being much older is very, very small. Dating artifacts is notoriously difficult; dating techniques for organic material are very sensitive to contamination, and geological dating is unreliable (artifacts can easily end up in unexpected strata). Dates are generally determined by looking at lots of examples, so that the statistical uncertainty can be reduced. Taking a very small number of outliers and basing your conclusions on them is generally poor science. What is it exactly that you are suggesting could be the case with meteoritics? Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Age of Man List, I have two questions about this very interesting video that may be a bit off topic. The questions are ; Could this possibly be true and does this sort of thing happen in meteoritic's. see link below.Thank's. Carl Esparza __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man
If two men say they are Jesus, one of them must be wrong. Right? Do you mean THE JESUS or two guys named Jesus? :O) GeoZay **Dell Inspiron 15: Now starting at $349 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222435718x1201460505/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick. net%2Fclk%3B215748553%3B38126199%3Bs) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man
It takes a _lot_ more examples. If humans are millions of years old, I want to see as rich a fossil record of that as we have for thousands of other species. The reference describes a fossil skull, which may or may not be real (there is no peer review, and the images don't look like a real fossil). The author doesn't have any obvious qualifications in this area. He claims: In July 2005, a small Primate skull was discovered in the desert of Tafilalet near Erfoud ( Morocco ). It was in the sand of a marble quarry where Devonian fossils were already found. Subsequently, the skull could be around 360 million years old. In other words, this object was not embedded in an existing matrix, but was simply in sand with old fossils. That is no basis for dating. I'd call the mummy reference a hoax. A little mummy that disappeared. They always disappear, don't they? Kind of like how Bigfoot radiates a mysterious aura that forces cameras to lose focus. And supposing it's real? Most of the experts who examined it thought it was a modern infant, not more than a few hundred years old. Without modern analysis, this purported mummy isn't even suggestive of anything interesting about human evolution. If two men say they are Jesus, then you might assume that one must be wrong. That's a limiting case. But realistically, the odds are very good that both are wrong. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man Chris, I am asking not telling but here is yet another example that is 360 million years old? How many odd examples does it take? If two men say they are Jesus, one of them must be wrong. Right? see link. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=itu=http://www.croponline.org/homoalaouite.htmlsa=Xoi=translateresnum=1ct=resultprev=/search%3Fq%3Dhomoalaouite%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG Carl __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Even More stupid media use of meteorites + Age of Man
Hey Eric, Here's a possibility for Spielberg and Lucas. The German kid that got hit on his hand with a flaming meteorite is now 17. He is now a world famous archeologist/meteorite hunter and discovers artifacts under Table Mountain that is not only 55 million year old but mentions a giant asteroid will slam onto the Earth on Dec 21st. Meanwhile he meets a very aging Indiana Jones and together... Uh, Darren, Did I break too many rules? Carl, not so great screen writer _ Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurantsform=MLOGENpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Even More stupid media use of meteorites + Age of Man
Edgar Cayce predicted all of this. ;) On 6/19/09, Carl 's carloselgua...@hotmail.com wrote: Hey Eric, Here's a possibility for Spielberg and Lucas. The German kid that got hit on his hand with a flaming meteorite is now 17. He is now a world famous archeologist/meteorite hunter and discovers artifacts under Table Mountain that is not only 55 million year old but mentions a giant asteroid will slam onto the Earth on Dec 21st. Meanwhile he meets a very aging Indiana Jones and together... Uh, Darren, Did I break too many rules? Carl, not so great screen writer _ Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurantsform=MLOGENpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 2012 Meteorite or not?
Hello All... Long time reader, first time responder. Love the movie trailers and am looking forward to viewing. They are thought provoking, amusing and entertaining. But, what might we see during the 2012 winter solstice? I find it interesting and amazing that the early Mayan, Egyptian, and Chinese astronomers pick that time in history for some sort of change or event, thousands of years ago. Oh, look closely, in one of the clips I think I saw Mr. Farmer, Haag, and Arnold running against the exiting masses of the city, trying to get to the main mass first Have a Great weekend! I have my GBII loaded with fresh batteries and am outta here. Dennis _ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:12:03 -0400, you wrote: does this sort of thing happen in meteoritic's Speak of the devil and he doth appear. Here's a new bit of meteorite-related crazy pulled out of someone's exit vortex today: http://www.allnewsweb.com/page6946948.php Of course, even the meteorite explaination of this story is highly problematic. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fwd: Age of Man
If you read an article in a tabloid that stated that a human had successfully mated with a pig, would you immediately say that proves that everything we know about genetics is wrong? If an internet web site claims a 360 million year old fossil human skull with no way to verify the claim, why would any one immediately question all we know about the evolution of mammals, primates, and yes, even humans? Mike Fowler Chicago PS My father was an archaeologist who early on taught me to question absurd claims, with no evidence to back them up. http://www.jsonline.com/news/obituaries/32549639.html Chris, I am asking not telling but here is yet another example that is 360 million years old? How many odd examples does it take? If two men say they are Jesus, one of them must be wrong. Right? see link. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=itu=http://www.croponline.org/homoalaouite.htmlsa=Xoi=translateresnum=1ct=resultprev=/search%3Fq%3Dhomoalaouite%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG Carl __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:32:20 -0400, you wrote: So, if some information seems paradoxical, contradictory or fundamentally unsound against the backdrop of the current rational melieu, SUSPENSION OF JUDGEMENT might be the first utterance to postulate. Just humbely stick it away into the vast resources of the brain lest we stumble in an effort to retract words uttered in haste Jerry Flaherty http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Galileo_fallacy __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man
If you read an article in a tabloid that stated that a human had successfully mated with a pig, would you immediately say that proves that everything we know about genetics is wrong? If an internet web site claims a 360 million fossil human skull with no way to verify the claim, why would any one immediately question all we know about the evolution of mammals, primates, and yes, even humans? Mike Fowler Chicago PS My father was an archaeologist who early on taught me to question absurd claims, with no evidence to back them up. http://www.jsonline.com/news/obituaries/32549639.html Chris, I am asking not telling but here is yet another example that is 360 million years old? How many odd examples does it take? If two men say they are Jesus, one of them must be wrong. Right? see link. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=itu=http://www.croponline.org/homoalaouite.htmlsa=Xoi=translateresnum=1ct=resultprev=/search%3Fq%3Dhomoalaouite%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG Carl __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Impact Earth
Great stuff, Ruben...fantastic! Let us know how the contest turns out... All best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Ruben Garcia Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:49 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Impact Earth Hi all, I've been hard at work over the past two weeks finishing up my latest video entitled Impact Earth It was done documentary style for a contest. You know the type - what are you doing to change the world? type thing. So I thought whats better than meteorite hunters helping to save the world? Like the 2012 movie it's pretty tongue in cheek and not meant to be taken too seriously. It's worth a look if only to check out Darren Garrison's awesome graphics! Darren has a future with Lucas films I'm sure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UUG5eWKEKo Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona My Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net My Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ My Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man
The video's commentary describing knowlwdge filter rings true. Remember the reception by the then vaunted Scientific Community's of Alfred Wegener's classic of the mid 1920's The Origin of the Continents and Seafloor Spreading Utterly ridiculed, Wegener continued in his quest until his untimely death in Greenland gathering data in the form of fossils and rock samples from opposing once contiguous coastal regions. Fortunately not everyone dismissed Wegener and a network of cooperative allies provided substantial material allowing Wegner to republish several times always to a negative reception. A world war later, when submarines and sonar played a significant role, over 40 years after his death, Wegener was vindacated when some woman scientist surveyed the wealth of new geographic information sonar had inadvertently provided of the seafloor So, if some information seems paradoxical, contradictory or fundamentally unsound against the backdrop of the current rational melieu, SUSPENSION OF JUDGEMENT might be the first utterance to postulate. Just humbely stick it away into the vast resources of the brain lest we stumble in an effort to retract words uttered in haste Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; cyna...@charter.net Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man Thanks Darren, Now tell us how you really feel? LOL. Carl Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:12:03 -0400, you wrote: Could this possibly be true Complete, utter, undiluted, unequivocated, barking at the moon bullshit. Insane, idiotic, paranoid woo. Incompetent, irrational nutbaggery. Need I break out a thesaurus and go on? does this sort of thing happen in meteoritic's Do people come up with weird, woo-filled conspiracy theories and then have their paranoia reinforced by nobody with serious knowledge take them seriously? Yes, all the time. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man
It is an urban myth that Wegener was ridiculed in any extreme way. He observed some interesting evidence but could not find a way to reconcile it and existing geological theory. So his ideas were- quite correctly- met with skepticism. He did not lose respect in the scientific community, and was able to secure funding for his projects until his death. While it is true that skepticism directed towards new ideas can slow down the acceptance of those ideas that ultimately prove correct, it also prevents science from spiraling out of control trying to prove or disprove every new thing that comes along. For every Wegener who is ultimately demonstrated correct, there are a thousand people with crazy ideas that will always be wrong (or more, in this day of the Internet). Even if more people had accepted Wegener's idea that the continents were once connected, it isn't clear that this would have changed the history of modern geology much. It still took a few more decades before the necessary technology came along to develop the tectonic theory underlying continental drift. Science did work, and the state of knowledge advanced. Yes, there's an element of truth in the knowledge filter idea. But just a tiny element. And its effect isn't to eliminate evidence, but to slow down its consideration. I've noticed that the more outlandish somebody's idea is, the more likely he is to complain of conspiracies and flaws in the scientific process suppressing new ideas. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Flaherty g...@verizon.net To: cdtuc...@cox.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; cyna...@charter.net Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man The video's commentary describing knowlwdge filter rings true. Remember the reception by the then vaunted Scientific Community's of Alfred Wegener's classic of the mid 1920's The Origin of the Continents and Seafloor Spreading Utterly ridiculed, Wegener continued in his quest until his untimely death in Greenland gathering data in the form of fossils and rock samples from opposing once contiguous coastal regions. Fortunately not everyone dismissed Wegener and a network of cooperative allies provided substantial material allowing Wegner to republish several times always to a negative reception. A world war later, when submarines and sonar played a significant role, over 40 years after his death, Wegener was vindacated when some woman scientist surveyed the wealth of new geographic information sonar had inadvertently provided of the seafloor So, if some information seems paradoxical, contradictory or fundamentally unsound against the backdrop of the current rational melieu, SUSPENSION OF JUDGEMENT might be the first utterance to postulate. Just humbely stick it away into the vast resources of the brain lest we stumble in an effort to retract words uttered in haste Jerry Flaherty __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man
If an internet web site claims a 360 million fossil human skull with no way to verify the claim, why would any one immediately question all we know about the evolution of mammals, primates, and yes, even humans? Most humans suffer from LBS or Lazy Brain Syndrome. The lack of being able to think for themselves! ;) People are lazy! Lazy, lazy lazy... Did I mention that people are lazy? Most people would rather listen to what someone else says and take it as gospel than look up the answer themselves. They want to know what they know, and God forbid anyone disagree with them. Once an outside source doubts the accuracy of ones knowledge, natural instinctual defense mechanisms force the person who knows to defend his knowledge. Whether he's right or wrong does not matter at that point. It's natural human psychology to argue the point. Facts mean nothing, subjective assumption takes over, and sheer determination to prove you're right. Convincing takes precedence, and debate ensues. Who the hell wants to be told they are wrong?! -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA http://www.meteoritesusa.com 904-236-5394 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man
Hi, and here we go... Yes, the video is a whacko video; the authors of Forbidden Archaeology are whackoes, everything Darren said. But this is a case, all too common in the internet/media age, of whackoes exploiting a genuine issue for their own whacko enrichment. Forgetting for a moment about UFO's, Atlantis, and Charlton Heston with Alzheimer's (so sad), look at the evidence. Apart from the whacko Whitney relics, almost all the video was about the Hueyatlaco site and Steen-McIntyre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hueyatlaco The Heyatlaco site is not Steen-McIntyre's dig. Work was done there by many archaeologists and geologists; she was called in as a geologist whose specialty is dating. The others involved with the site have published quietly (but without dates) and no (big) problems. Steen-McIntyre, the dater, was left to defend her work, which she does. Who wouldn't? You can find her academic background and resume at the website about a related old site: http://www.valsequilloclassic.net/ The dating has been done over by outside experts with no archeological axes to grind, from NASA: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007AGUFMGP43A0925R They get the same dates she does... The dating has been done over by her opponents, who DO have archeological axes to grind, and they find the site to be only 80,000 to 220,000 years old, based on diatoms unque to the Sangamon Interglacial, instead of the 225,000 to 255,000 that Steen-McIntyre does! This is not a result they trumpet much, since they are all of the nothing-older-than-22,000-years school of thought. Fortunately for their equilibrium, evidence does not disturb them, it seems. All of these arguments about the age of human sites are about sites in The Americas. Apart from the usual egocentric exaggerations of paleoarchaologists, no one gives a big flip about such dates in Europe, Asia, Africa. Hand any of these 250,000-year-old flint tools to a European archaeologist (without telling them where it came from) and tell them it's 250,000 years old, and they would just shrug. They've seen lots just like it. So what's the big deal? they would ask. No, it's only in the Americas? Why is that? Well, it's simple. A few hundred years ago, Europeans flooded into the Americas, killing 90% of the locals by giving them unfamiliar European diseases, slaughtered and enslaved half the survivors, and drove the other half into isolated pockets and took over their continent. After it was safely done and a generation or two passed, they got sentimental, and then they felt really bad about it. First, in the nineteenth century, they decided the natives were recent European immigrants that degenerated into savagery or not (like the Mound Builders), descended from Prince Madoc's Welshmen or Vikings or whatever. Late in the nineteenth century it became obvious that the locals had come from Asia. That theory was the product of a man who would come to dominate the field for 40 years, Hrdlicka at Harvard. He maintained that the locals were very recent immigrants, having (mostly) arrived in the last 1500 years, starting about 500 AD, Yes, some small number might have gotten here around 500-1000 BC, but mostly in the last 1000 years before Europeans arrived. This took most of the sting out of the guilt of genocide. Peopling of the Americas became a close foot-and-boat-race, a draw almost, between some Asian savages and civilized Europeans, and naturally, the best race won (they thought like that). So for almost a half century, no site in the Americas was more than a few thousand years old. The problem was, this just wasn't true. People kept finding sites that were 6000 years, 8000 years, 10,000 years, 12,000 years old. Denounced as whackoes, of course, they held on until Hrdlika and all the old professors retired or died. Then, suddenly they were the authorities. Human nature being what it is, they immediately set up shop running a nothing-older-than-12,000-years orthodoxy-and-inquisition business for the next 50 years. The problem was: this just wasn't true either. Then, they started to soften. An occasional 13,600 years began to creep into the literature, then a slightly older date, and so forth. By now, the orthodox nothing-older-than-12,000- years school has turned into a nothing-older-than- 22,000-years school. Site-dating in the Americas is a psychological issue, not a strictly scientific one. It's complicated by social factors, emotional factors, political factors. It's complicated to the point of being a complete mess. And still, with heels dug into the dirt as science is slowly dragged backwards (which in this case, paradoxically, is progress), it goes on. The conflict is particularly sharp right now. Accepting human sites older than 40,000 years or so is a big problem, because if they are older than that, they are not the artifacts of modern humans, but primitive hominids. Now, if the prospect of really old humans
Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man
Hi, Chris, List, Wegener was a meteorologist, not a geologist. He was working outside his field, the ultimate crime. He could never get academic support (or a job) because he was not a geologist. Finally, an Austrian university created a chair of meteorology and geophysics for him, late in his life. He got good funding, but for his meteorological work, not geology. His theory was particularly dispised in the US, and he was widely ridiculed for it. A meteorologist! What's he up to? The prevailing theory was Land Bridges: The scientific consensus was of sunken land and continents, now covered in oceans. This land had once provided a migratory path for the former flora and fauna, now found as fossils in diverse continents. Land, of course, was a permanent and unmovable feature of the earth's surface. Although it might sink, land could neither move nor be created afresh. The sunken land had, it was supposed, suffered from the effects of a 'cooling and contracting earth'. As the core of the earth cooled and contracted, its outer crust collapsed inwards. Mountains had thus arisen, and oceans formed in the depressions, covering the earlier land bridges. Along with the theory of continental drift, Wegener wrote many criticisms of the land bridge theory. This did not make him popular, either. I recall seeing many charts of land bridges in texts when I was in high school, narrow intersecting highways across the Pacific Ocean, with new ones added for every duplicate fossil species find. Silliest dam thing you ever saw. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man It is an urban myth that Wegener was ridiculed in any extreme way. He observed some interesting evidence but could not find a way to reconcile it and existing geological theory. So his ideas were- quite correctly- met with skepticism. He did not lose respect in the scientific community, and was able to secure funding for his projects until his death. While it is true that skepticism directed towards new ideas can slow down the acceptance of those ideas that ultimately prove correct, it also prevents science from spiraling out of control trying to prove or disprove every new thing that comes along. For every Wegener who is ultimately demonstrated correct, there are a thousand people with crazy ideas that will always be wrong (or more, in this day of the Internet). Even if more people had accepted Wegener's idea that the continents were once connected, it isn't clear that this would have changed the history of modern geology much. It still took a few more decades before the necessary technology came along to develop the tectonic theory underlying continental drift. Science did work, and the state of knowledge advanced. Yes, there's an element of truth in the knowledge filter idea. But just a tiny element. And its effect isn't to eliminate evidence, but to slow down its consideration. I've noticed that the more outlandish somebody's idea is, the more likely he is to complain of conspiracies and flaws in the scientific process suppressing new ideas. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Flaherty g...@verizon.net To: cdtuc...@cox.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; cyna...@charter.net Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man The video's commentary describing knowlwdge filter rings true. Remember the reception by the then vaunted Scientific Community's of Alfred Wegener's classic of the mid 1920's The Origin of the Continents and Seafloor Spreading Utterly ridiculed, Wegener continued in his quest until his untimely death in Greenland gathering data in the form of fossils and rock samples from opposing once contiguous coastal regions. Fortunately not everyone dismissed Wegener and a network of cooperative allies provided substantial material allowing Wegner to republish several times always to a negative reception. A world war later, when submarines and sonar played a significant role, over 40 years after his death, Wegener was vindacated when some woman scientist surveyed the wealth of new geographic information sonar had inadvertently provided of the seafloor So, if some information seems paradoxical, contradictory or fundamentally unsound against the backdrop of the current rational melieu, SUSPENSION OF JUDGEMENT might be the first utterance to postulate. Just humbely stick it away into the vast resources of the brain lest we stumble in an effort to retract words uttered in haste Jerry Flaherty __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] Even More stupid media use of meteorites + Age of Man
So... what... like a mining gang NEVER EVER pulled a prank on their mining engineer? Wind or water transported volcanic ash will date to the same age as the ash fall they are composed of when using Zircon and Uranium dates because mechanical transport doesn't reset the clock. Like most UFO/Atlantis/X-File-realm reports, inconvenient facts are omitted so as not to leave obvious doubts in the story line. And YES it does happen in meteorites. How many people have you helped ID a meteor wrong who dogmatically clung to the slimmest of unprovable and dubious fact while they ignored all evidence that showed their stone was not a meteorite? ( e.g. I know it was a train that hit my dog, I saw its tracks) The statement that I found this rock in my yard and it wasn't there yesterday so it must be a meteorite is not ipso facto valid. It only means that you do not remember seeing it there before you picked it up. Remember the Cardiff Giant? http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/archive/permalink/the_cardiff_giant/ The Giant That Fooled the World ...the incredible tale of history's weirdest hoax When George Hull left his weed-choked, debt-ridden tobacco farm outside Binghamton, N.Y., and headed west in 1868 to seek better fortune, he thought maybe he'd go prospecting for gold. But he never reached gold country. On the way, 90 years ago, he stumbled on something more precious than the yellow metal: human gullibility. The result was one of the most successful scientific hoaxes in history. On a total investment that probably didn't top $4000, Hull netted a profit estimated at $30,000 to $60,000 -- a small fortune in those days. Hull's hoax was the famous Cardiff Giant -- a 12-foot statue of a man, secretly made, secretly buried, and then discovered. Hull had a fabulous double-barreled lie to go with it: It was either a petrified man or an ancient statue -- take your choice. Not only the general public, but many learned men, paid to see it and swallowed it whole. Elton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man
Here's another person featued in the clip: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Cremo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Even More stupid media use of meteorites + Age of Man
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:45:43 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: So... what... like a mining gang NEVER EVER pulled a prank on their mining engineer? That brings this to mind: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1134/is_n3_v107/ai_20485364/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man
It is an urban myth that Wegener was ridiculed in any extreme way. I first heard about Wegener's theory when I was in the 9th grade in 1961. I found a book in the school library that talked about it. Then I did not get the impression of any ridicule being directed his way. What I did get was that most people who heard about it agreed, but just didn't know how it actually happened and that someday the mystery will eventually be solved. GeoZay **Dell Inspiron 15: Now starting at $349 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222435718x1201460505/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick. net%2Fclk%3B215748553%3B38126199%3Bs) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Age of Man
Hi Sterling, It is a rare day that I ever have anything to add to your eloquent and informative posts, let alone disagree, but here goes.. Steen-McIntyre's dating as mentioned in the wikipedia link you supplied as well as everywhere else on the web is 250,000 years ago. The dating of the ash layer that is below (and therefore younger than her finds) is 40,000 years ago. (also from the link you provided) I could not disagree more when you say they get the same dating she does. Sincerely, Mike Fowler Chicago additional link with a fairly balanced view: http://books.google.com/books?id=jWgZPz6oXSwCpg=PA106lpg=PA106dq=Hueyatlacosource=blots=rAPBgltpZUsig=1BX2HlTLv9PDQzk5AJMGc1CnEQ4hl=enei=vVM8Su_BBcOEtwfTtYUBsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=4 Hi, and here we go... Yes, the video is a whacko video; the authors of Forbidden Archaeology are whackoes, everything Darren said. But this is a case, all too common in the internet/media age, of whackoes exploiting a genuine issue for their own whacko enrichment. Forgetting for a moment about UFO's, Atlantis, and Charlton Heston with Alzheimer's (so sad), look at the evidence. Apart from the whacko Whitney relics, almost all the video was about the Hueyatlaco site and Steen-McIntyre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hueyatlaco The Heyatlaco site is not Steen-McIntyre's dig. Work was done there by many archaeologists and geologists; she was called in as a geologist whose specialty is dating. The others involved with the site have published quietly (but without dates) and no (big) problems. Steen-McIntyre, the dater, was left to defend her work, which she does. Who wouldn't? You can find her academic background and resume at the website about a related old site: http://www.valsequilloclassic.net/ The dating has been done over by outside experts with no archeological axes to grind, from NASA: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007AGUFMGP43A0925R They get the same dates she does... __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
