[meteorite-list] Ad: 50+ one cent meteorites ending tonight (Thur)
I have more than 50 one-cent ebay meteorites ending Thursday evening. Many very nice items this week, including a fantaztic large oriented Gao stone, and some other ncie larger pieces. See all available items at the link below, there are way too many to list here. http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/ I am posting now as I plan to be in the field all day tomorrow. Thanks Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Greatest meteorite hunter in the world
Interesting question Not Nininger, he was hardly a hunter in the big scheme of things, while unrivaled at networking, he to my knowledge only found one new meteorite himself called Cottonwood. He did find thousands of Canyon Diablo meteorites, but that was not hard at that time. He used newspapers and speeches to recover meteorites from farmers and he did travel far and wide to collect any meteorite that was found. He is the father of American and really all modern day meteorites but not a really big hunter. I would say that the Russian groups are the best as far as tonnage goes. I don't consider Antarctic searchers in the same way since the hunters are all part of a large organized group and they do not fund themselves. It is easy to hunt if governments are spending millions of $$$ to back you up. You apply, and are told where to go and flown there. Those of us who hunt on our own take our lumps and failures in our bank accounts, we pay our own bills and when successful we rightly reap the rewards. I know many people, myself among them, who have been to nearly every continent, some of the scariest and most dangerous countries on earth in search of meteorites, recovering hundreds of new and old falls, finds and desert rocks. We are all great hunters, there is not likely one who would stand over the others. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Commercials during the broadcasts?
Great idea... Though I don't know I could afford and add during prime time, or any ad for that matter. Others might... I say go for it, i wonder how much a 30 second spot would cost? Eric Wichman Meteorites USA Richard Kowalski wrote: Love or hate Steve Geoff, but it seems to me that some well placed commercials aired by other dealers while the MM shows are run seems to make sense to me. The commercials can be run only in your local market to keep the cost down and you have a built in audience. People interested in meteorites, even in passing, are watching the show. Isn't that the type of person you'd want to advertise to? Just my $0.02 and probably not worth much more. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Unprofessionalism
Unprofessional Apalling Uncalled For Petty Silly Unprofessional Unbecoming Stifling Ridiculous Amatuerish Unprofessional Childish Immature Irrational Abrasive Harsh Unprofessional Stupid Unwise Unfair Absurd Foolish Wrong Any idea what I'm referring to? Though I respect every member on this list, including some of whom I disagree with. I just lost a lot of respect for some people. I've kept pretty quiet over this past week watching what was happening and wasn't going to say anything. But this is ridiculous! New list members are showing up everyday... News coverage of this field is growing everyday... People read this very PUBLIC list everyday! How would you like it if they judged you by what was posted on-list? They do! People will judge you by your actions! You only get one chance to make a first impression! Make it count! These statements are cliche for a reason... They're true! How would you like new meteorite collectors and hunters first experience with the people of the meteorite world to be this past weeks posts? Don't be foolish! Some of us are representatives of the meteorite community to the public. This is how we are viewed by newcomers. Some do not represent the community as a whole and are not as public therefore they can get away with saying certain things. Certain people do not have that luxury. It's not about who's right or wrong. It's about the publics perception of our professionalism and the meteorite community as a whole. This is not a private little world we live in anymore. The meteorite world is much more public now. As well it should be. We need to act accordingly. -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unprofessionalism
Hi Eric, meteorite dealer and meteorite collector often enter a close and personal relationship, because they suffer from the same enthusiasm. To much professionalism would be to sterile, I guess. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Meteorites USA Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juli 2009 09:39 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Unprofessionalism Unprofessional Apalling Uncalled For Petty Silly Unprofessional Unbecoming Stifling Ridiculous Amatuerish Unprofessional Childish Immature Irrational Abrasive Harsh Unprofessional Stupid Unwise Unfair Absurd Foolish Wrong Any idea what I'm referring to? Though I respect every member on this list, including some of whom I disagree with. I just lost a lot of respect for some people. I've kept pretty quiet over this past week watching what was happening and wasn't going to say anything. But this is ridiculous! New list members are showing up everyday... News coverage of this field is growing everyday... People read this very PUBLIC list everyday! How would you like it if they judged you by what was posted on-list? They do! People will judge you by your actions! You only get one chance to make a first impression! Make it count! These statements are cliche for a reason... They're true! How would you like new meteorite collectors and hunters first experience with the people of the meteorite world to be this past weeks posts? Don't be foolish! Some of us are representatives of the meteorite community to the public. This is how we are viewed by newcomers. Some do not represent the community as a whole and are not as public therefore they can get away with saying certain things. Certain people do not have that luxury. It's not about who's right or wrong. It's about the publics perception of our professionalism and the meteorite community as a whole. This is not a private little world we live in anymore. The meteorite world is much more public now. As well it should be. We need to act accordingly. -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unprofessionalism
Hehe, sounds a bit schizo, Martin. The both are at the most identic, aren't they? If I take into consideration a certain Mettmann (engl. Madman - ahem, sorry for the translation :) ... Matthias - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unprofessionalism Hi Eric, meteorite dealer and meteorite collector often enter a close and personal relationship, because they suffer from the same enthusiasm. To much professionalism would be to sterile, I guess. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Meteorites USA Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juli 2009 09:39 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Unprofessionalism Unprofessional Apalling Uncalled For Petty Silly Unprofessional Unbecoming Stifling Ridiculous Amatuerish Unprofessional Childish Immature Irrational Abrasive Harsh Unprofessional Stupid Unwise Unfair Absurd Foolish Wrong Any idea what I'm referring to? Though I respect every member on this list, including some of whom I disagree with. I just lost a lot of respect for some people. I've kept pretty quiet over this past week watching what was happening and wasn't going to say anything. But this is ridiculous! New list members are showing up everyday... News coverage of this field is growing everyday... People read this very PUBLIC list everyday! How would you like it if they judged you by what was posted on-list? They do! People will judge you by your actions! You only get one chance to make a first impression! Make it count! These statements are cliche for a reason... They're true! How would you like new meteorite collectors and hunters first experience with the people of the meteorite world to be this past weeks posts? Don't be foolish! Some of us are representatives of the meteorite community to the public. This is how we are viewed by newcomers. Some do not represent the community as a whole and are not as public therefore they can get away with saying certain things. Certain people do not have that luxury. It's not about who's right or wrong. It's about the publics perception of our professionalism and the meteorite community as a whole. This is not a private little world we live in anymore. The meteorite world is much more public now. As well it should be. We need to act accordingly. -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE?
Hi Martin, Thank you. It's funny you mentioned the Russians. I had contacted Mike Farmer a few days ago concerning a personal matter and he also mentioned the Russians. Not negatively, of course. I see Mike's last post concerned more info on them. Carl Martin wrote: Well Carl, It's because the Russians are so modest and don't attach much importance in public profiling. Uh all the lunars they found, the Martians, hundreds of finds in Oman, some of them where also in Libya before - and think to all the additional stuff Tsarev, Polujamki, Markovka, Brahin, Kainsaz, Vengerovo, Sikhote, Chinga, Dronino, Pallasovka, Seymchan + many more, even Muonionalusta, Morasko... _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hello Count Deiro
Hi Greg, Yes, I know they weren't kidding around. A little damage control from one newbie to another is all. I don't think he fell for it anyway. Actually, I think this is a pretty good community. There are a LOT of great people here. Let's see what tomorrow brings. Carl No, actually Mike and Steve (and others) aren't just kidding around... _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
If we're counting rocks, then the answer is John Schutt of ANSMET (followed closely by Cassidy and Harvey, as Jeff mentioned): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Schutt http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/25/sports/othersports/25outdoors.html He's been doing this since 1980 and probably has personally found 10-20% of the ANSMET collection. The Wikipedia stub doesn't begin to do this guy justice. Every year he has to make sure some newbie-lab-scientist-volunteer doesn't do something stupid. In 1988, I almost lost my snowmobile over a cliff. I parked it, not knowing that it didn't have a brake. It succumbed to gravity and headed downhill. John ran after it, tackled it, and prevented it from going over the edge. The guy can spot and classify meteorites from 100 meters. Randy Korotev __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Well... but aren't that two different sports, difficult to compare, to hunt on the ice and in a hot rocky desert? http://www.dtm.ciw.edu/users/lrn/pictures/ant/sun_snow_ice.jpg http://kuerzer.de/Hopper3000 http://www.dtm.ciw.edu/users/lrn/pictures/ant/flags3.jpg vs. http://kuerzer.de/Whereishopper http://www.saharamet.com/desert/meteorite/tracks.jpg http://www.mdpub.com/newphotos/Oct06/desert2.jpg (...I read a paper, which said, that the average pairing rate among the Antarcic field numbers is 5. So that the 35,000 Antarctic numbers represent 7,000 different meteorites. Only wanted to mention that, cause some forget that, if they compare hot with cold desert finds.) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Randy Korotev Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juli 2009 15:04 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? If we're counting rocks, then the answer is John Schutt of ANSMET (followed closely by Cassidy and Harvey, as Jeff mentioned): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Schutt http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/25/sports/othersports/25outdoors.html He's been doing this since 1980 and probably has personally found 10-20% of the ANSMET collection. The Wikipedia stub doesn't begin to do this guy justice. Every year he has to make sure some newbie-lab-scientist-volunteer doesn't do something stupid. In 1988, I almost lost my snowmobile over a cliff. I parked it, not knowing that it didn't have a brake. It succumbed to gravity and headed downhill. John ran after it, tackled it, and prevented it from going over the edge. The guy can spot and classify meteorites from 100 meters. Randy Korotev __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad : Ordinary Chondrites
Hi All I have available for sale a 4400 Gr Lot OC's , and a 3200 gr Sliced Chondrite , those interested , feel free to contact me to provide Photos. Best Regards M.Youssef __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions
for who is interested some ebay auctions ended at few hours http://members.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=mcomemeteorite Matteo M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.org Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici http://www.chinellatophoto.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Okay, how do I go about angering the aliens...
http://www.portalino.it/nuke/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=38150 The Belgrade home of Radivoje Lajic has been hit by meteorites five times since last November. He has concluded that he's being harassed by extraterrestrials. He said: I am obviously being targeted by extraterrestrials. I don't know what I have done to annoy them but there is no other explanation that makes sense. The chance of being hit by a meteorite is so small that getting hit five times has to be deliberate. The first meteorite fell on his house in November last year and since then a further four have smashed into his home. The strikes always happen when it is raining heavily, never when there are clear skies. He said: I did not know what the strange-looking stones were at first but I have since had them all confirmed as meteorites by experts at Belgrade University. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Arizona fall better photos, check this out!
http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/azfall.htm www.meteoritehunter.com I put a page together quickly to show the stone I found yesterday. This is truly the best oriented meteorite I have ever found. I owe it all to Dr. Jack Schrader, who's detective work allowed this new meteorite fall to be recovered and who generously invited me to work with him in mapping this new strewnfield. thanks Jack! This stone exhibits on the low pressure side, the exact same silver spots observed on a few of the Ash Creek (West) stones. This is even after several hard rains since the fall, however since the stone was found backside down, that area was protected somewhat from the rain. Off to the field, now, but enjoy the newest meteorite recovered. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Arizona fall better photos, check this out!
Wow! That is a beauty Mike, thanks for sharing those pictures. Congratulations on your find, and the best of luck to you and all those in the strewnfield searching. gary On Jul 16, 2009, at 5:57 AM, Michael Farmer wrote: http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/azfall.htm www.meteoritehunter.com I put a page together quickly to show the stone I found yesterday. This is truly the best oriented meteorite I have ever found. I owe it all to Dr. Jack Schrader, who's detective work allowed this new meteorite fall to be recovered and who generously invited me to work with him in mapping this new strewnfield. thanks Jack! This stone exhibits on the low pressure side, the exact same silver spots observed on a few of the Ash Creek (West) stones. This is even after several hard rains since the fall, however since the stone was found backside down, that area was protected somewhat from the rain. Off to the field, now, but enjoy the newest meteorite recovered. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com http://astroday.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Randy, Isn't this ANSMET technique more like fishing? Or even fishing in a barrel? Isn't NWA similar? It seems to me we need different categories of hunting here. If you can see your prey while sitting in your car or on a snowmobile how is that hunting? As in many true sports the difficulty factor aids in the final score. Look no farther than the Olympics and the way they judge the scoring. Another category would have to be trophy hunting. In this your man would rank high based on his Mars finds alone. But in terms of Lunar web sites Randy your are by far the best. My 2 cents. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax Randy Korotev koro...@wustl.edu wrote: If we're counting rocks, then the answer is John Schutt of ANSMET (followed closely by Cassidy and Harvey, as Jeff mentioned): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Schutt http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/25/sports/othersports/25outdoors.html He's been doing this since 1980 and probably has personally found 10-20% of the ANSMET collection. The Wikipedia stub doesn't begin to do this guy justice. Every year he has to make sure some newbie-lab-scientist-volunteer doesn't do something stupid. In 1988, I almost lost my snowmobile over a cliff. I parked it, not knowing that it didn't have a brake. It succumbed to gravity and headed downhill. John ran after it, tackled it, and prevented it from going over the edge. The guy can spot and classify meteorites from 100 meters. Randy Korotev __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Arizona fall better photos, check this out!
Thanks to all who emailed me, can't answer so many and have time to hunt but hope to pull a few more of these from the desert. Mike Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: Wow! That is a beauty Mike, thanks for sharing those pictures. Congratulations on your find, and the best of luck to you and all those in the strewnfield searching. gary On Jul 16, 2009, at 5:57 AM, Michael Farmer wrote: http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/azfall.htm www.meteoritehunter.com I put a page together quickly to show the stone I found yesterday. This is truly the best oriented meteorite I have ever found. I owe it all to Dr. Jack Schrader, who's detective work allowed this new meteorite fall to be recovered and who generously invited me to work with him in mapping this new strewnfield. thanks Jack! This stone exhibits on the low pressure side, the exact same silver spots observed on a few of the Ash Creek (West) stones. This is even after several hard rains since the fall, however since the stone was found backside down, that area was protected somewhat from the rain. Off to the field, now, but enjoy the newest meteorite recovered. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com http://astroday.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Arizona fall better photos, check this out!
The flow-lines remind me of Lafayette. :) On 7/16/09, Michael Farmer meteoritehun...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks to all who emailed me, can't answer so many and have time to hunt but hope to pull a few more of these from the desert. Mike Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: Wow! That is a beauty Mike, thanks for sharing those pictures. Congratulations on your find, and the best of luck to you and all those in the strewnfield searching. gary On Jul 16, 2009, at 5:57 AM, Michael Farmer wrote: http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/azfall.htm www.meteoritehunter.com I put a page together quickly to show the stone I found yesterday. This is truly the best oriented meteorite I have ever found. I owe it all to Dr. Jack Schrader, who's detective work allowed this new meteorite fall to be recovered and who generously invited me to work with him in mapping this new strewnfield. thanks Jack! This stone exhibits on the low pressure side, the exact same silver spots observed on a few of the Ash Creek (West) stones. This is even after several hard rains since the fall, however since the stone was found backside down, that area was protected somewhat from the rain. Off to the field, now, but enjoy the newest meteorite recovered. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com http://astroday.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re-2: New Arizona fall better photos, check this out!
MetM.: The flow-lines remind me of Lafayette. .. and the spikes remind me of the Puerto Lápice eucrite!!! Congrats on such an out-of-this-world meteorite! Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Isn't this a no brainer? It's Michael Farmer! If you're talking high profile, non Russian, Japanese, Moroccan, Antarctic, European,etc., Mike is currently the man to beat at every new fall, with a very few exceptions. For better or for worse, Mike is the face of modern American meteorite hunting. I would think this is common knowledge among the uninitiated, non cognescenti, teeming masses. Steve Arnold is a contender, I think he beat the pants off Mike at West, but didn't he have a 5 year long drought? Since the torch has been passed from Bob Haag, I would have to go with the populous viewpoint that Mike is currently The Man. And it's important to keep in mind that he's only at mid career with a long way to go, unlike Bob who's semi-retired. Of course I am probably completely wrong, but am only trying to answer the question from the viewpoint of non meteorite people. Couldn't this question be answered objectively simply by ranking the number of meteorites each of the contenders has had classified? It would be interesting to see this column of figures. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Who is the BEST meteorite hunter? Last night I jokingly said Hopper the Dog, but after some thinking on the subject, and considering some of the other replies on the List, I realize I was being shortsighted. I think everyone can agree on some general criteria of what makes a great hunter - 1) results - number of finds and the significance of those finds. Obviously, whoever finds the first lunaite on US soil is going to be remembered more than a prolific hunter with a hundred OC finds. 2) contributions to science - has the hunter put science before personal gain? And not just once or twice for show - but a continuing dedication to the science of meteoritics that results in a better understanding of meteoritics and planetary science. 3) accessibility - is the hunter available for questions, mentoring, and outreach? Do they go out on their own time and educate people (especially kids) about meteorites? 4) humility - nobody likes an arrogant person or braggart - regardless of how successful they are. 5) longevity - how many decades has this person been hunting meteorites? If the answer is less than two, then it's difficult to argue that they are great - they may well be on their way to greatness, but IMO a minimum of 20 years in the field is required for greatness. (combined with the above criteria) Beyond those criteria, other factors will surely apply. But I think it is shortsighted to simply make a dry tally sheet of finds and keep score like this is a game of darts the pub. Best regards, MikeG On 7/16/09, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Isn't this a no brainer? It's Michael Farmer! If you're talking high profile, non Russian, Japanese, Moroccan, Antarctic, European,etc., Mike is currently the man to beat at every new fall, with a very few exceptions. For better or for worse, Mike is the face of modern American meteorite hunting. I would think this is common knowledge among the uninitiated, non cognescenti, teeming masses. Steve Arnold is a contender, I think he beat the pants off Mike at West, but didn't he have a 5 year long drought? Since the torch has been passed from Bob Haag, I would have to go with the populous viewpoint that Mike is currently The Man. And it's important to keep in mind that he's only at mid career with a long way to go, unlike Bob who's semi-retired. Of course I am probably completely wrong, but am only trying to answer the question from the viewpoint of non meteorite people. Couldn't this question be answered objectively simply by ranking the number of meteorites each of the contenders has had classified? It would be interesting to see this column of figures. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:28:32 -0400, you wrote: I think everyone can agree on some general criteria of what makes a great hunter - I would define a great meteorite hunter only by how many meteorites he finds. When you start adding all sorts of arbitrary personal caveat to the term, then you are trying to shape the definition to specific people. Well, yes, he found more meteorites, but they were in Antarctica, and everybody knows meteorites are in Antarctica! Okay, so he found 1,000 meteorites-- but he didn't answer my e-mail for TWO weeks! Well, he tracked down 5 new falls, but he wouldn't travel 1,000 miles to talk to my Cub Scout troop unless I paid his expenses! People are adding yes, buts to the definition right and left to arbitrarily exclude some meteorite hunters so that it gives more credit to the ones you personally favor. Personality has nothing to do with it. If Osama bin Laden found a dozen meteorites in Afghanistan, he'd be a better meteorite hunter than Jesus Christ (given that there is no mention in the bible of Jesus's meteorite hunting skills.) 1) results - number of finds and the significance of those finds. Obviously, whoever finds the first lunaite on US soil is going to be remembered more than a prolific hunter with a hundred OC finds. 2) contributions to science - has the hunter put science before personal gain? And not just once or twice for show - but a continuing dedication to the science of meteoritics that results in a better understanding of meteoritics and planetary science. 3) accessibility - is the hunter available for questions, mentoring, and outreach? Do they go out on their own time and educate people (especially kids) about meteorites? 4) humility - nobody likes an arrogant person or braggart - regardless of how successful they are. 5) longevity - how many decades has this person been hunting meteorites? If the answer is less than two, then it's difficult to argue that they are great - they may well be on their way to greatness, but IMO a minimum of 20 years in the field is required for greatness. (combined with the above criteria) Beyond those criteria, other factors will surely apply. But I think it is shortsighted to simply make a dry tally sheet of finds and keep score like this is a game of darts the pub. Best regards, MikeG On 7/16/09, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Isn't this a no brainer? It's Michael Farmer! If you're talking high profile, non Russian, Japanese, Moroccan, Antarctic, European,etc., Mike is currently the man to beat at every new fall, with a very few exceptions. For better or for worse, Mike is the face of modern American meteorite hunting. I would think this is common knowledge among the uninitiated, non cognescenti, teeming masses. Steve Arnold is a contender, I think he beat the pants off Mike at West, but didn't he have a 5 year long drought? Since the torch has been passed from Bob Haag, I would have to go with the populous viewpoint that Mike is currently The Man. And it's important to keep in mind that he's only at mid career with a long way to go, unlike Bob who's semi-retired. Of course I am probably completely wrong, but am only trying to answer the question from the viewpoint of non meteorite people. Couldn't this question be answered objectively simply by ranking the number of meteorites each of the contenders has had classified? It would be interesting to see this column of figures. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2: New Arizona fall better photos, check this out!
Thanks so much Bernd From someone as knowledgeable as you that makes me feel great. Michael Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:46 AM, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: MetM.: The flow-lines remind me of Lafayette. .. and the spikes remind me of the Puerto Lápice eucrite!!! Congrats on such an out-of-this-world meteorite! Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] AD: Need to Raise Some $$$ For Tuition For My Son.. Open To Fair Offers On My Items In My Store
Hello, I need to raise a few extra bucks for my son's tuition this semester. We do not get any Federal College aid money, so we pay as we go. His major is Geology. I am willing to let a few pieces go at fair prices, so if there is anything that interests you in my ebay store-at this moment in time, I am open to good offers... http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re Question for the list
I think that we also need to include, along with a tally of finds and all the other atributes, the humanitarian side of the equasion---namely, who helps others to pick up the hobby by giving guidance as well as points them in the right direction. This can even include giving a starter meteorite to the student. Who has done the best at promoting the Science of Meteorites. Pete IMCA 1733 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Darren, I have to agree. It's a simple matter of statistics, whoever finds the mostest is the bestest! Really, Osama vs. Jesus, that's too funny! You get my vote for the funniest list member! Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re Question for the list
Under Pete's criteria, Sonny Clary, would definitely have to be considered. Count Deiro -Original Message- From: Pete Shugar pshu...@clearwire.net Sent: Jul 16, 2009 11:22 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Re Question for the list I think that we also need to include, along with a tally of finds and all the other atributes, the humanitarian side of the equasion---namely, who helps others to pick up the hobby by giving guidance as well as points them in the right direction. This can even include giving a starter meteorite to the student. Who has done the best at promoting the Science of Meteorites. Pete IMCA 1733 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unprofessionalism
meteorite dealer and meteorite collector often enter a close and personal relationship, because they suffer from the same enthusiasm. To much professionalism would be to sterile, I guess. Exactly, my dear meteorite friends Martin and Stefan - that´s part of the beef! Uncle Alex Berlin/Germany __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT...
In a message dated 7/16/2009 12:11:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com writes: Steve Arnold is a contender, I think he beat the pants off Mike at West, but didn't he have a 5 year long drought? *** Phil, I am honored by your mention, but we have to be serious here. I have only hunted at 7 sites in the last 4 years, spending 90% of my time at two sites. West was a fun 28 day detour in it all. Before 2005 I was an amateur meteorite hunter only hitting one or two places a year with metal detector in hand. In 2003 I picked up 113 meteorites from Park Forest, one being 11 km from the main mass, I found the most there, but I don't think anyone else was even trying to find a lot. For the most part, over the years I invested most of my time and made most of my money from being a dealer not a hunter. If we are judging this by total weight recovered, I am beat by quite a few people on lifetime numbers. If we are judged by total number recoveries from different locations, there are many people who beat me. If we judge by profit from meteorite sales of found meteorites, there are many more higher on that list than I am. Maybe, if you judged success by most media coverage (TV, newspaper, Radio, Magazines,internet, etc.) I would be at the top of that list. But I hardly think that is a good barometer for determining the Most Successful Meteorite Hunter. Success is our world is often judged by the amount of money you make. So who has made the most money? But what about people that are not in this for the bottom line only? Cottingham mentioned not willing to sacrifice family time to be gone from home too much. If his kids grow up emotionally well balanced because he was in their lives more, but someone else finds more meteorites but has a lousy home life, some people might argue who really was more of a success? It is easier to measure who did the best at one location. Let's all go to Holbrook for the weekend, and whomever finds the most in number wins the title for the day. Or drop us off at Munonionalusta for a week, and we can put the bounty on the scales 7 days later. Who found the biggest West? Or the most Wests? Or the most total weight of Wests? Who will find the most at this new Arizona Strewnfield? I think it might be possible to single out who might have had the best year financially, in total weight, in total numbers etc in a given year, but to stretch it out for more than a decade long period of time, that gets a bit tough, and very subjective. Someone might be better or worse than their numbers indicate because of other factors in their life. Others might just get a little lucky. It is all so subjective. And to top it off, I don't know if anyone out there is hell bent on finding the most new meteorites, or the most total recovered weight, or the biggest single meteorite of all time. Most of us do this because we love it. We love the challenge that each day brings, that each new fall brings, that each old strewnfield with new clues brings. I would guess there are people that want to find as many as they can. Or to find the biggest they can. And I am sure there are people that want to make as much money as possible. But as with so many things in life, it isn't so much beating everyone else, but beating mediocrity and being the best one can be. If being a husband, a father, a grandfather, a teacher, a dealer, a scientists, etc. gets in the way of being a better hunter then we all make those quality decisions at different times in our lives. And since this isn't like boxing, where one unquestionable champion holds the title until someone takes it away from him, and since this isn't like pro football with a Super Bowl game at the end of the playoffs, how do you measure the current Champion? Maybe it would be better to look at this more like a Hall of Fame question where a lifetime of contribution is recognized on a persons individual accomplishments and contributions. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men **S T R E T C H your technology dollars with great laptop deals from Dell! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223081712x1201714210/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2 D5) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE?
IMHO, it's not just who finds the most. Finding the meteorites is just half of the equation.Documenting the find, adding that information to to the common body of knowledge and contributing to the science of meteoritics is the second half. Dave - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE? Darren, I have to agree. It's a simple matter of statistics, whoever finds the mostest is the bestest! Really, Osama vs. Jesus, that's too funny! You get my vote for the funniest list member! Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFULMETEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Be becalmed, if someone steals a meteorite, that will happen http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Leyden-Lot.png -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg Stanley Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juli 2009 21:41 An: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFULMETEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? What if someone 'stole' someone's meteorites, could he (or she) still be the Best meteorite hunter. I would say no. Greg S From: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:54:30 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE? Darren, I have to agree. It's a simple matter of statistics, whoever finds the mostest is the bestest! Really, Osama vs. Jesus, that's too funny! You get my vote for the funniest list member! Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC thats right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE?
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:53:26 -0400, you wrote: IMHO, it's not just who finds the most. Finding the meteorites is just half of the equation.Documenting the find, adding that information to to the common body of knowledge and contributing to the science of meteoritics is the second half. Again, I disagree. If you are trying to determine meteorite role model or meteorite hero or meteorite idol, or meteorite hoopy frood then other stuff matters. For best meteorite hunter, all that matters is who is best at finding meteorites. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFULMETEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE?
I'd say first step: numbers. Second step: personal things.. E.g. I for my own would take in the very consideration, what for sacrifices a hunter has to make. I know some hunters, so I know that the sacrifices can be enormous. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von dave carothers Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juli 2009 21:53 An: JoshuaTreeMuseum; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFULMETEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE? IMHO, it's not just who finds the most. Finding the meteorites is just half of the equation.Documenting the find, adding that information to to the common body of knowledge and contributing to the science of meteoritics is the second half. Dave - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE? Darren, I have to agree. It's a simple matter of statistics, whoever finds the mostest is the bestest! Really, Osama vs. Jesus, that's too funny! You get my vote for the funniest list member! Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE Worst and least SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT...
Hi All, I nominate myself as the worst all time meteorite hunter. I have searched 12 strewn fields including the following and under The tutelage of no less than John Blennert at Gold Basin, The Lawrence Family who LIVE in the Correo Strewn Field and have found more than All others combined, and Steve Shoner, the Master of Holbrook: Correo Some stinking Dry Lake in CA Gold Bason Canyon Diablo Glorietta 29 Palms Holbrook Others too numerous to even remember. My TOTAL take = one single Correo of 11.18g Can anyone challenge my all time failure as a hunter? I particularly remember walking parallel to John, only a few yards Off to John Blennert's right and watching Gold Basin meteorites Jump out of the ground and into his pockets. I swear at one Point he picked up 5 different specimens in less than 5 minutes! Me Well, not so good. If anyone can challenge the magnitude of my record as the Worst all time meteorite hunter, I double dog dare ya. Best wishes, Michael On 7/16/09 12:39 PM, Steve Arnold dealer/Qynne meteorh...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/16/2009 12:11:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com writes: Steve Arnold is a contender, I think he beat the pants off Mike at West, but didn't he have a 5 year long drought? *** Phil, I am honored by your mention, but we have to be serious here. I have only hunted at 7 sites in the last 4 years, spending 90% of my time at two sites. West was a fun 28 day detour in it all. Before 2005 I was an amateur meteorite hunter only hitting one or two places a year with metal detector in hand. In 2003 I picked up 113 meteorites from Park Forest, one being 11 km from the main mass, I found the most there, but I don't think anyone else was even trying to find a lot. For the most part, over the years I invested most of my time and made most of my money from being a dealer not a hunter. If we are judging this by total weight recovered, I am beat by quite a few people on lifetime numbers. If we are judged by total number recoveries from different locations, there are many people who beat me. If we judge by profit from meteorite sales of found meteorites, there are many more higher on that list than I am. Maybe, if you judged success by most media coverage (TV, newspaper, Radio, Magazines,internet, etc.) I would be at the top of that list. But I hardly think that is a good barometer for determining the Most Successful Meteorite Hunter. Success is our world is often judged by the amount of money you make. So who has made the most money? But what about people that are not in this for the bottom line only? Cottingham mentioned not willing to sacrifice family time to be gone from home too much. If his kids grow up emotionally well balanced because he was in their lives more, but someone else finds more meteorites but has a lousy home life, some people might argue who really was more of a success? It is easier to measure who did the best at one location. Let's all go to Holbrook for the weekend, and whomever finds the most in number wins the title for the day. Or drop us off at Munonionalusta for a week, and we can put the bounty on the scales 7 days later. Who found the biggest West? Or the most Wests? Or the most total weight of Wests? Who will find the most at this new Arizona Strewnfield? I think it might be possible to single out who might have had the best year financially, in total weight, in total numbers etc in a given year, but to stretch it out for more than a decade long period of time, that gets a bit tough, and very subjective. Someone might be better or worse than their numbers indicate because of other factors in their life. Others might just get a little lucky. It is all so subjective. And to top it off, I don't know if anyone out there is hell bent on finding the most new meteorites, or the most total recovered weight, or the biggest single meteorite of all time. Most of us do this because we love it. We love the challenge that each day brings, that each new fall brings, that each old strewnfield with new clues brings. I would guess there are people that want to find as many as they can. Or to find the biggest they can. And I am sure there are people that want to make as much money as possible. But as with so many things in life, it isn't so much beating everyone else, but beating mediocrity and being the best one can be. If being a husband, a father, a grandfather, a teacher, a dealer, a scientists, etc. gets in the way of being a better hunter then we all make those quality decisions at different times in our lives. And since this isn't like boxing, where one unquestionable champion holds the title until someone takes it away from him, and since this isn't like pro football with a Super Bowl game at the end of the
[meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE?
Steve, Thanks for setting the record straight. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of: who is the most famous or most popular of the current crop of meteorite hunters? 2 names immediately pop into my mind: Arnold Farmer. I guess it's because of your Brenham publicity and The Meteorite Men that I thought you were a top contender. I haven't done my homework on who has found what and compiled it into a statistical analysis and ranking like various people did for the West fall. Has anyone thought about doing this? I sure don't have the time, with 2 jobs and 2 children under the age of 5. I don't think it could be done, except for number of meteorites officially classified. How many hunters are sitting on how many unclassified finds? And how do you define find? Does it count if you find meteorites at yard sales or Moroccan markets? I think a list of lifetime classifications would be a good starting point in determining the current Champion of the World. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE Worst and least SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT...
Michael Oh my god I just blew hot sauce out of My nose reading this! Frigging pricless. Dude you may not have foundany meteorites but you tried and that is all anyone can do. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: Hi All, I nominate myself as the worst all time meteorite hunter. I have searched 12 strewn fields including the following and under The tutelage of no less than John Blennert at Gold Basin, The Lawrence Family who LIVE in the Correo Strewn Field and have found more than All others combined, and Steve Shoner, the Master of Holbrook: Correo Some stinking Dry Lake in CA Gold Bason Canyon Diablo Glorietta 29 Palms Holbrook Others too numerous to even remember. My TOTAL take = one single Correo of 11.18g Can anyone challenge my all time failure as a hunter? I particularly remember walking parallel to John, only a few yards Off to John Blennert's right and watching Gold Basin meteorites Jump out of the ground and into his pockets. I swear at one Point he picked up 5 different specimens in less than 5 minutes! Me Well, not so good. If anyone can challenge the magnitude of my record as the Worst all time meteorite hunter, I double dog dare ya. Best wishes, Michael On 7/16/09 12:39 PM, Steve Arnold dealer/Qynne meteorh...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/16/2009 12:11:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com writes: Steve Arnold is a contender, I think he beat the pants off Mike at West, but didn't he have a 5 year long drought? *** Phil, I am honored by your mention, but we have to be serious here. I have only hunted at 7 sites in the last 4 years, spending 90% of my time at two sites. West was a fun 28 day detour in it all. Before 2005 I was an amateur meteorite hunter only hitting one or two places a year with metal detector in hand. In 2003 I picked up 113 meteorites from Park Forest, one being 11 km from the main mass, I found the most there, but I don't think anyone else was even trying to find a lot. For the most part, over the years I invested most of my time and made most of my money from being a dealer not a hunter. If we are judging this by total weight recovered, I am beat by quite a few people on lifetime numbers. If we are judged by total number recoveries from different locations, there are many people who beat me. If we judge by profit from meteorite sales of found meteorites, there are many more higher on that list than I am. Maybe, if you judged success by most media coverage (TV, newspaper, Radio, Magazines,internet, etc.) I would be at the top of that list. But I hardly think that is a good barometer for determining the Most Successful Meteorite Hunter. Success is our world is often judged by the amount of money you make. So who has made the most money? But what about people that are not in this for the bottom line only? Cottingham mentioned not willing to sacrifice family time to be gone from home too much. If his kids grow up emotionally well balanced because he was in their lives more, but someone else finds more meteorites but has a lousy home life, some people might argue who really was more of a success? It is easier to measure who did the best at one location. Let's all go to Holbrook for the weekend, and whomever finds the most in number wins the title for the day. Or drop us off at Munonionalusta for a week, and we can put the bounty on the scales 7 days later. Who found the biggest West? Or the most Wests? Or the most total weight of Wests? Who will find the most at this new Arizona Strewnfield? I think it might be possible to single out who might have had the best year financially, in total weight, in total numbers etc in a given year, but to stretch it out for more than a decade long period of time, that gets a bit tough, and very subjective. Someone might be better or worse than their numbers indicate because of other factors in their life. Others might just get a little lucky. It is all so subjective. And to top it off, I don't know if anyone out there is hell bent on finding the most new meteorites, or the most total recovered weight, or the biggest single meteorite of all time. Most of us do this because we love it. We love the challenge that each day brings, that each new fall brings, that each old strewnfield with new clues brings. I would guess there are people that want to find as many as they can. Or to find the biggest they can. And I am sure there are people that want to make as much money as possible. But as with so many things in life, it isn't so much beating everyone else, but beating mediocrity and being the best one can be. If being a husband, a father, a grandfather, a teacher, a dealer, a scientists, etc. gets in the way of being a
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE?
I do not consider moroccan meteorites huntin or finds unless you think piles of meteorites on a house floor is hunting. I have more than 800 middle eastern meteorites that found in the desert myself perhaps 500 kilos all in crates untouched. Moroccan stud is bought and not found and should be taken out of the hunting equasion. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:28 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Steve, Thanks for setting the record straight. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of: who is the most famous or most popular of the current crop of meteorite hunters? 2 names immediately pop into my mind: Arnold Farmer. I guess it's because of your Brenham publicity and The Meteorite Men that I thought you were a top contender. I haven't done my homework on who has found what and compiled it into a statistical analysis and ranking like various people did for the West fall. Has anyone thought about doing this? I sure don't have the time, with 2 jobs and 2 children under the age of 5. I don't think it could be done, except for number of meteorites officially classified. How many hunters are sitting on how many unclassified finds? And how do you define find? Does it count if you find meteorites at yard sales or Moroccan markets? I think a list of lifetime classifications would be a good starting point in determining the current Champion of the World. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] THE BEST METEORITE HUNTER - An exercise in thinking...
Hello, When I proposed the question my goal was to see the depth of what people were thinking these days. As we can see, there is a broad spectrum of thought on the question and no clear answer. I would simply add that ANYONE who gets out to hunt for meteorites is successful. If you find some, well that is the cream on the top. A bonus if you will for the journey undertaken. The thrill of finding your first meteorite is priceless and I wish everyone the best of luck in experiencing the joy of finding meteorites, whether it is one or a hundred. The BEST part of the question is ridiculous and will always be subjective. However, if you when the Tour de France, seven times, you are pretty damn good at what you do. Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE Worst and least SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT...
Hi Michael, You're definitely not the worst hunter...but looks like you might be in the running as the worst finder though :-) It's like the difference between fishing and catching. I consider myself a good fisherman...catching fish is the difficult part! Cheers, Frank --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE Worst and least SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT... To: Steve Arnold dealer/Qynne meteorh...@aol.com, joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 1:15 PM Hi All, I nominate myself as the worst all time meteorite hunter. I have searched 12 strewn fields including the following and under The tutelage of no less than John Blennert at Gold Basin, The Lawrence Family who LIVE in the Correo Strewn Field and have found more than All others combined, and Steve Shoner, the Master of Holbrook: Correo Some stinking Dry Lake in CA Gold Bason Canyon Diablo Glorietta 29 Palms Holbrook Others too numerous to even remember. My TOTAL take = one single Correo of 11.18g Can anyone challenge my all time failure as a hunter? I particularly remember walking parallel to John, only a few yards Off to John Blennert's right and watching Gold Basin meteorites Jump out of the ground and into his pockets. I swear at one Point he picked up 5 different specimens in less than 5 minutes! Me Well, not so good. If anyone can challenge the magnitude of my record as the Worst all time meteorite hunter, I double dog dare ya. Best wishes, Michael On 7/16/09 12:39 PM, Steve Arnold dealer/Qynne meteorh...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/16/2009 12:11:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com writes: Steve Arnold is a contender, I think he beat the pants off Mike at West, but didn't he have a 5 year long drought? *** Phil, I am honored by your mention, but we have to be serious here. I have only hunted at 7 sites in the last 4 years, spending 90% of my time at two sites. West was a fun 28 day detour in it all. Before 2005 I was an amateur meteorite hunter only hitting one or two places a year with metal detector in hand. In 2003 I picked up 113 meteorites from Park Forest, one being 11 km from the main mass, I found the most there, but I don't think anyone else was even trying to find a lot. For the most part, over the years I invested most of my time and made most of my money from being a dealer not a hunter. If we are judging this by total weight recovered, I am beat by quite a few people on lifetime numbers. If we are judged by total number recoveries from different locations, there are many people who beat me. If we judge by profit from meteorite sales of found meteorites, there are many more higher on that list than I am. Maybe, if you judged success by most media coverage (TV, newspaper, Radio, Magazines,internet, etc.) I would be at the top of that list. But I hardly think that is a good barometer for determining the Most Successful Meteorite Hunter. Success is our world is often judged by the amount of money you make. So who has made the most money? But what about people that are not in this for the bottom line only? Cottingham mentioned not willing to sacrifice family time to be gone from home too much. If his kids grow up emotionally well balanced because he was in their lives more, but someone else finds more meteorites but has a lousy home life, some people might argue who really was more of a success? It is easier to measure who did the best at one location. Let's all go to Holbrook for the weekend, and whomever finds the most in number wins the title for the day. Or drop us off at Munonionalusta for a week, and we can put the bounty on the scales 7 days later. Who found the biggest West? Or the most Wests? Or the most total weight of Wests? Who will find the most at this new Arizona Strewnfield? I think it might be possible to single out who might have had the best year financially, in total weight, in total numbers etc in a given year, but to stretch it out for more than a decade long period of time, that gets a bit tough, and very subjective. Someone might be better or worse than their numbers indicate because of other factors in their life. Others might just get a little lucky. It is all so subjective. And to top it off, I don't know if anyone out there is hell bent on finding the most new meteorites, or the most total recovered weight, or the biggest single meteorite of all time. Most of us do this because we love it. We love the challenge that each day brings, that each new fall brings, that each old strewnfield with new clues brings. I would guess there are people that want to find as many as they can. Or to find the
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE?
What does a Moroccan stud have to do with meteorites? Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: I do not consider moroccan meteorites huntin or finds unless you think piles of meteorites on a house floor is hunting. I have more than 800 middle eastern meteorites that found in the desert myself perhaps 500 kilos all in crates untouched. Moroccan stud is bought and not found and should be taken out of the hunting equasion. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:28 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Steve, Thanks for setting the record straight. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of: who is the most famous or most popular of the current crop of meteorite hunters? 2 names immediately pop into my mind: Arnold Farmer. I guess it's because of your Brenham publicity and The Meteorite Men that I thought you were a top contender. I haven't done my homework on who has found what and compiled it into a statistical analysis and ranking like various people did for the West fall. Has anyone thought about doing this? I sure don't have the time, with 2 jobs and 2 children under the age of 5. I don't think it could be done, except for number of meteorites officially classified. How many hunters are sitting on how many unclassified finds? And how do you define find? Does it count if you find meteorites at yard sales or Moroccan markets? I think a list of lifetime classifications would be a good starting point in determining the current Champion of the World. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE?
I meant stuff. Hard to type o. This phone and it changes words automatically. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:41 PM, michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com wrote: What does a Moroccan stud have to do with meteorites? Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: I do not consider moroccan meteorites huntin or finds unless you think piles of meteorites on a house floor is hunting. I have more than 800 middle eastern meteorites that found in the desert myself perhaps 500 kilos all in crates untouched. Moroccan stud is bought and not found and should be taken out of the hunting equasion. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:28 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Steve, Thanks for setting the record straight. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of: who is the most famous or most popular of the current crop of meteorite hunters? 2 names immediately pop into my mind: Arnold Farmer. I guess it's because of your Brenham publicity and The Meteorite Men that I thought you were a top contender. I haven't done my homework on who has found what and compiled it into a statistical analysis and ranking like various people did for the West fall. Has anyone thought about doing this? I sure don't have the time, with 2 jobs and 2 children under the age of 5. I don't think it could be done, except for number of meteorites officially classified. How many hunters are sitting on how many unclassified finds? And how do you define find? Does it count if you find meteorites at yard sales or Moroccan markets? I think a list of lifetime classifications would be a good starting point in determining the current Champion of the World. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE?
It was funny though and I can't believe anyone can type anything on those small keys!!! Best Wishes Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: I meant stuff. Hard to type o. This phone and it changes words automatically. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:41 PM, michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com wrote: What does a Moroccan stud have to do with meteorites? Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: I do not consider moroccan meteorites huntin or finds unless you think piles of meteorites on a house floor is hunting. I have more than 800 middle eastern meteorites that found in the desert myself perhaps 500 kilos all in crates untouched. Moroccan stud is bought and not found and should be taken out of the hunting equasion. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:28 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Steve, Thanks for setting the record straight. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of: who is the most famous or most popular of the current crop of meteorite hunters? 2 names immediately pop into my mind: Arnold Farmer. I guess it's because of your Brenham publicity and The Meteorite Men that I thought you were a top contender. I haven't done my homework on who has found what and compiled it into a statistical analysis and ranking like various people did for the West fall. Has anyone thought about doing this? I sure don't have the time, with 2 jobs and 2 children under the age of 5. I don't think it could be done, except for number of meteorites officially classified. How many hunters are sitting on how many unclassified finds? And how do you define find? Does it count if you find meteorites at yard sales or Moroccan markets? I think a list of lifetime classifications would be a good starting point in determining the current Champion of the World. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE?
Ok, actually when I think Meteorite Hunter; I think of: Haag, Farmer, Arnold, Cottingham, Blood, countless nameless Moroccans, Wilson, Garcia, Notkin, The Russkies, Svend, Sonny, Kilgore, Casper, Strope, The Antarcticans, The Hupe boys, Bob Evans, Aziz, Hmani, Lang, Ferrell, Reed, Pitt, Bessey, Elton, Edwin, several different Erics, Bruno, Cressey, Foote, several Gregs, Hanno, Hans, Jan, the two Jasons, Jerry, all the Jims, Humphries, and Kashuba. These are the people I think of. But then again, I get most of my information from the List. I'm sure there are many more I'm forgetting, but rightly or wrongly these are the people that come to mind when I think: Meteorite Hunter. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE?
You can also use a mathematical approach: Total finds divided by total time spent then multiply that number by a rating: 10.0 for lunar meteorites 9.0 for Mars . . . 1.0 for Ordinary Chondrites Then take that number and divide it by the total money spent to hunt. Who ever has then highest number is the most successful. Greg S. Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:43:00 -0700 From: meteorite...@yahoo.com To: mikew...@gilanet.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE? I meant stuff. Hard to type o. This phone and it changes words automatically. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:41 PM, michael cottingham wrote: What does a Moroccan stud have to do with meteorites? Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: I do not consider moroccan meteorites huntin or finds unless you think piles of meteorites on a house floor is hunting. I have more than 800 middle eastern meteorites that found in the desert myself perhaps 500 kilos all in crates untouched. Moroccan stud is bought and not found and should be taken out of the hunting equasion. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:28 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: Steve, Thanks for setting the record straight. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of: who is the most famous or most popular of the current crop of meteorite hunters? 2 names immediately pop into my mind: Arnold Farmer. I guess it's because of your Brenham publicity and The Meteorite Men that I thought you were a top contender. I haven't done my homework on who has found what and compiled it into a statistical analysis and ranking like various people did for the West fall. Has anyone thought about doing this? I sure don't have the time, with 2 jobs and 2 children under the age of 5. I don't think it could be done, except for number of meteorites officially classified. How many hunters are sitting on how many unclassified finds? And how do you define find? Does it count if you find meteorites at yard sales or Moroccan markets? I think a list of lifetime classifications would be a good starting point in determining the current Champion of the World. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Arizona fall better photos, check this out!
Michael, That stone is gorgeous! After two hard weeks of hunting it must be wonderful to find such a treasure. Kudos to you for not giving up. Congratulations! Mike Tettenborn Michael Farmer wrote: http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/azfall.htm www.meteoritehunter.com I put a page together quickly to show the stone I found yesterday. This is truly the best oriented meteorite I have ever found. I owe it all to Dr. Jack Schrader, who's detective work allowed this new meteorite fall to be recovered and who generously invited me to work with him in mapping this new strewnfield. thanks Jack! This stone exhibits on the low pressure side, the exact same silver spots observed on a few of the Ash Creek (West) stones. This is even after several hard rains since the fall, however since the stone was found backside down, that area was protected somewhat from the rain. Off to the field, now, but enjoy the newest meteorite recovered. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Arizona fall better photos, check this out!
Thanks mike I was dreaming about it last night! Roasting out here but hoping for another. Michael Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 2:09 PM, tett t...@rogers.com wrote: __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE Worst and least SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT...
Michael Blood wrote: I nominate myself as the worst all time meteorite hunter. Dear Michael: You may be one of the less successful field hunters, but your sense of humor and modesty are unparalleled in the meteorite world and could set a very good example for some : ) And those Correos are difficult to find, so don't be so hard on yourself. Also, you're no slouch behind the auctioneer's podium. Cheers from Tucson, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mason Dixon (PA) Fireball Video - Redux
Hi List, Mike Hankey has posted a video simulation of the July 6th fireball he photographed over his home giving everyone a new perspective on the fireball which graced the skies over the northeast. For those of you who are unfamilar with the fireball (as if), here's the original story on Mike's site: http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/comets/meteor-over-baltimore/ Fireball Simulation Video http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/baltimore-pa-meteor/video-simulation-of-meteor/ Very cool simulation... Whether it's accurate in trajectory remains to be determined. It doesn't matter much really. To have captured this fireball in a photograph is an exceptional thing. The chances of photographing a fireball like this are astronomically slim! Every pun intended. Enjoy... -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE?
JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: Ok, actually when I think Meteorite Hunter; I think of . . . Casper Hah! That is a really good one. Despite what it says in that Space.com article Casper never hunted meteorites a day in his life. He slouched behind a desk chain smoking and acting in a horrible manner towards other meteorite dealers and real hunters. Phil, yes, you do need to do a little more homework. No disrespect to you, just correcting a significant error in your list : ) Salut, Geoff N. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Successful Hunters Out There
Geoff wrote: just correcting a significant error in your list There are quite a few more! Just a few examples: - Jim Kriegh, Twink Monrad, John Blennert (Gold Basin!) - Philippe and Léa - Michel Franco (who used to hunt in the Hot Deserts of NWA) - Fred Beroud - the Killgore family - Rodrigo Martinez - Mike Miller - Steve Schoner - Bob Verish - Moni Waiblinger Never hunted but almost did last February, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mason Dixon (PA) Fireball Video - Redux
Thanks Eric. Interesting concept. Wonder if it works and is of use to the guys in the field? And to Mike Hankey and the inimitable Dr. Vincente Perlien: Un effort remarquable et bien fait. Meilleurs égards, Comte Deiro -Original Message- From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Sent: Jul 16, 2009 2:25 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Mason Dixon (PA) Fireball Video - Redux Hi List, Mike Hankey has posted a video simulation of the July 6th fireball he photographed over his home giving everyone a new perspective on the fireball which graced the skies over the northeast. For those of you who are unfamilar with the fireball (as if), here's the original story on Mike's site: http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/comets/meteor-over-baltimore/ Fireball Simulation Video http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/baltimore-pa-meteor/video-simulation-of-meteor/ Very cool simulation... Whether it's accurate in trajectory remains to be determined. It doesn't matter much really. To have captured this fireball in a photograph is an exceptional thing. The chances of photographing a fireball like this are astronomically slim! Every pun intended. Enjoy... -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Successful Hunters Out There
Don't forget: - Rob Matson To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:40:14 + Subject: [meteorite-list] Successful Hunters Out There Geoff wrote: just correcting a significant error in your list There are quite a few more! Just a few examples: - Jim Kriegh, Twink Monrad, John Blennert (Gold Basin!) - Philippe and Léa - Michel Franco (who used to hunt in the Hot Deserts of NWA) - Fred Beroud - the Killgore family - Rodrigo Martinez - Mike Miller - Steve Schoner - Bob Verish - Moni Waiblinger Never hunted but almost did last February, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Greetings List, Not sure where this idea that Harvey Nininger wasn't a meteorite hunter came from but it is wrong. He was a meteorite hunter, he chased falls, plotted areas they fell in and went to those areas to search. He also hunted in areas that he was in. He did that while hunting for scrap metal during world war 2. He was effective at getting people to look for him. I would say that is using your head so more specimens could be found and using people that were familiar with the land to hunt those areas. When Norton County fell, Nininger was standing on top of the meteorite when Lincoln LaPaz and his friend arrived and looked down to see Nininger already there. Don't tell me that hunters these days don't get local people to hunt and go back to buy later. Sure they hunt themselves but getting others to help expedites finds. One would have to define what a meteorite hunter is (as mentioned already in this thread). Just because it doesn't fit your definition doesn't mean that hunting in a specific way is wrong or excludes you as a hunter. People making the claim that Nininger wasn't a hunter, haven't read all his books and don't know the extreme efforts he went to finding new specimens. He often went back to areas and conducted hunts while also approaching people who might know something about a find or fall. Plainview, Texas is one area that he hunted extensively finding more specimens to collect and trade. He went into Mexico chasing down leads which were pretty risky back then. One also has to remember the time and conditions in which Harvey Nininger hunted. He hunted in the depression era but was still able to persuade investors to buy into his hunts. Transportation was not good back then. Lots of dirt roads and hazards along the way while driving his model T. Patching tires in deep mud. Making it three or four hundred miles was tough. Flying back then was expensive and not real common. There were no interstate roads that you could jump in your car and drive 700 miles a day easily. Metal detectors weren't as effective and bulky. People were very cautious of strangers in their towns and on their ranches and farms. Harvey mentioned that for every successful trip, there were dozens of other trips that didn't pan out. He wasn't eager to mention the trips that weren't successful. If he found or was able to have others help him find over 222 new finds or falls and over a thousand meteorite specimens, he certainly picked up a number of meteorite specimens himself. Multiply 222 times a dozen or two (trips or leads that weren't successful) and you have nearly 5,000 to 6,000 trips and hunts. Divide by a forty year span of time and you have about 125 trips or hunts a year! How many trips are people making these days using modern transportation? Nininger would often and smartly combine trips but that is still a lot of hunting in my book. Nininger used Farington's book on meteorites 1915 to hunt down old strewnfields. I'll try to dig up some of his personal finds and post them here when time permits. Saying Harvey Nininger wasn't hardly a meteorite hunter shows a great deal of ignorance and such people making claims should read some of his books he wrote to educate themselves. Best! --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE Worst and least SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER O...
Hi Michael, I just might have you beat. I spend most of my meteorite time on the microscopes but I have spent more days hunting than I care to remember and nothing. My icing on the cake was when I took my son to Gold Basin and was certain he would find some thing. I bought a 156 gr. Gold Basin on eBay and placed it under a bush. We hunted around so as to not make it look obvious of what I had done and then we worked our way back to the hidden stone. Two hours of looking for it and it was lost. He was done with that area and wanted to move on. I kept saying There has got to be one here, I just know it! Never did find that one! Tom In a message dated 7/16/2009 2:16:01 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mlbl...@cox.net writes: Hi All, I nominate myself as the worst all time meteorite hunter. I have searched 12 strewn fields including the following and under The tutelage of no less than John Blennert at Gold Basin, The Lawrence Family who LIVE in the Correo Strewn Field and have found more than All others combined, and Steve Shoner, the Master of Holbrook: Correo Some stinking Dry Lake in CA Gold Bason Canyon Diablo Glorietta 29 Palms Holbrook Others too numerous to even remember. My TOTAL take = one single Correo of 11.18g Can anyone challenge my all time failure as a hunter? I particularly remember walking parallel to John, only a few yards Off to John Blennert's right and watching Gold Basin meteorites Jump out of the ground and into his pockets. I swear at one Point he picked up 5 different specimens in less than 5 minutes! Me Well, not so good. If anyone can challenge the magnitude of my record as the Worst all time meteorite hunter, I double dog dare ya. Best wishes, Michael On 7/16/09 12:39 PM, Steve Arnold dealer/Qynne meteorh...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/16/2009 12:11:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com writes: Steve Arnold is a contender, I think he beat the pants off Mike at West, but didn't he have a 5 year long drought? *** Phil, I am honored by your mention, but we have to be serious here. I have only hunted at 7 sites in the last 4 years, spending 90% of my time at two sites. West was a fun 28 day detour in it all. Before 2005 I was an amateur meteorite hunter only hitting one or two places a year with metal detector in hand. In 2003 I picked up 113 meteorites from Park Forest, one being 11 km from the main mass, I found the most there, but I don't think anyone else was even trying to find a lot. For the most part, over the years I invested most of my time and made most of my money from being a dealer not a hunter. If we are judging this by total weight recovered, I am beat by quite a few people on lifetime numbers. If we are judged by total number recoveries from different locations, there are many people who beat me. If we judge by profit from meteorite sales of found meteorites, there are many more higher on that list than I am. Maybe, if you judged success by most media coverage (TV, newspaper, Radio, Magazines,internet, etc.) I would be at the top of that list. But I hardly think that is a good barometer for determining the Most Successful Meteorite Hunter. Success is our world is often judged by the amount of money you make. So who has made the most money? But what about people that are not in this for the bottom line only? Cottingham mentioned not willing to sacrifice family time to be gone from home too much. If his kids grow up emotionally well balanced because he was in their lives more, but someone else finds more meteorites but has a lousy home life, some people might argue who really was more of a success? It is easier to measure who did the best at one location. Let's all go to Holbrook for the weekend, and whomever finds the most in number wins the title for the day. Or drop us off at Munonionalusta for a week, and we can put the bounty on the scales 7 days later. Who found the biggest West? Or the most Wests? Or the most total weight of Wests? Who will find the most at this new Arizona Strewnfield? I think it might be possible to single out who might have had the best year financially, in total weight, in total numbers etc in a given year, but to stretch it out for more than a decade long period of time, that gets a bit tough, and very subjective. Someone might be better or worse than their numbers indicate because of other factors in their life. Others might just get a little lucky. It is all so subjective. And to top it off, I don't know if anyone out there is hell bent on finding the most new meteorites, or the most total recovered weight, or the biggest single meteorite of all time. Most of us do this because we love it. We love the challenge that each day brings, that each new
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE Worst and least SUCCESSFULMETEORITE HUNTER O...
That's pretty hard to beat Tom. I once lost a chameleon, that's what you get for putting them back outside. Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: starsandsco...@aol.com To: mlbl...@cox.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE Worst and least SUCCESSFULMETEORITE HUNTER O... Hi Michael, I just might have you beat. I spend most of my meteorite time on the microscopes but I have spent more days hunting than I care to remember and nothing. My icing on the cake was when I took my son to Gold Basin and was certain he would find some thing. I bought a 156 gr. Gold Basin on eBay and placed it under a bush. We hunted around so as to not make it look obvious of what I had done and then we worked our way back to the hidden stone. Two hours of looking for it and it was lost. He was done with that area and wanted to move on. I kept saying There has got to be one here, I just know it! Never did find that one! Tom In a message dated 7/16/2009 2:16:01 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mlbl...@cox.net writes: Hi All, I nominate myself as the worst all time meteorite hunter. I have searched 12 strewn fields including the following and under The tutelage of no less than John Blennert at Gold Basin, The Lawrence Family who LIVE in the Correo Strewn Field and have found more than All others combined, and Steve Shoner, the Master of Holbrook: Correo Some stinking Dry Lake in CA Gold Bason Canyon Diablo Glorietta 29 Palms Holbrook Others too numerous to even remember. My TOTAL take = one single Correo of 11.18g Can anyone challenge my all time failure as a hunter? I particularly remember walking parallel to John, only a few yards Off to John Blennert's right and watching Gold Basin meteorites Jump out of the ground and into his pockets. I swear at one Point he picked up 5 different specimens in less than 5 minutes! Me Well, not so good. If anyone can challenge the magnitude of my record as the Worst all time meteorite hunter, I double dog dare ya. Best wishes, Michael On 7/16/09 12:39 PM, Steve Arnold dealer/Qynne meteorh...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/16/2009 12:11:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com writes: Steve Arnold is a contender, I think he beat the pants off Mike at West, but didn't he have a 5 year long drought? *** Phil, I am honored by your mention, but we have to be serious here. I have only hunted at 7 sites in the last 4 years, spending 90% of my time at two sites. West was a fun 28 day detour in it all. Before 2005 I was an amateur meteorite hunter only hitting one or two places a year with metal detector in hand. In 2003 I picked up 113 meteorites from Park Forest, one being 11 km from the main mass, I found the most there, but I don't think anyone else was even trying to find a lot. For the most part, over the years I invested most of my time and made most of my money from being a dealer not a hunter. If we are judging this by total weight recovered, I am beat by quite a few people on lifetime numbers. If we are judged by total number recoveries from different locations, there are many people who beat me. If we judge by profit from meteorite sales of found meteorites, there are many more higher on that list than I am. Maybe, if you judged success by most media coverage (TV, newspaper, Radio, Magazines,internet, etc.) I would be at the top of that list. But I hardly think that is a good barometer for determining the Most Successful Meteorite Hunter. Success is our world is often judged by the amount of money you make. So who has made the most money? But what about people that are not in this for the bottom line only? Cottingham mentioned not willing to sacrifice family time to be gone from home too much. If his kids grow up emotionally well balanced because he was in their lives more, but someone else finds more meteorites but has a lousy home life, some people might argue who really was more of a success? It is easier to measure who did the best at one location. Let's all go to Holbrook for the weekend, and whomever finds the most in number wins the title for the day. Or drop us off at Munonionalusta for a week, and we can put the bounty on the scales 7 days later. Who found the biggest West? Or the most Wests? Or the most total weight of Wests? Who will find the most at this new Arizona Strewnfield? I think it might be possible to single out who might have had the best year financially, in total weight, in total numbers etc in a given year, but to stretch it out for more than a decade long period of time, that gets a bit tough, and very
[meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Geoff, I didn't say they were actual meteorite hunters, I just named off the people I've heard of that I associated with meteorite hunting. You're right, I know nothing except rumors and hearsay about Casper. I would expect that you're also offended by the inclusion of B.E. But at least I didn't mention S.A.II. Again, these are people I associate with meteorite hunting, nothing more. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Just look through back issues of Meteorite Times. The Meteorite People is like a who's who of hunters and mentors to the field. Best! Tracy Latimer _ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Worst and least successful meteorite hunter
Tom wrote: Two hours of looking for it and it was lost. :-)) But, the idea is not quite new. Mon, 10 May 1999, John Blennert wrote this in a personal mail to me: I would like to extend a personal invitation for you to hunt Gold Basin. I will loan you a goldmaster metal detector and be your personal guide...I guarantee you'll find a few meteorites if I have to throw them at you ? HE HE. Well, John sent me two beautiful Gold Basin meteorites as a gift and they are extraordinary pieces with quite a good show of crust. Insiders will know that it is not easy to find Gold Basin meteorites with a such a good show of crust! Of course, these meteorites are still in my collection and will stay there for the rest of my days! Thanks John, Thanks List for listening, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Excellent reply Al. I couldn't agree more. I recall reading about Nininger going down to Mexico to look for Toluca (was it?), and the trip sounded very interesting - given the times, like you said. If Harvey wasn't the best hunter, then he was the type of meteorite personality that this hobby could use today - no offense to any of the current personalities. With the passing of Richard Norton and Jim Kriegh, this hobby is becoming short on gentlemanly ambassadors of great wisdom. Best regards, MikeG On 7/16/09, al mitt alm...@kconline.com wrote: Greetings List, Not sure where this idea that Harvey Nininger wasn't a meteorite hunter came from but it is wrong. He was a meteorite hunter, he chased falls, plotted areas they fell in and went to those areas to search. He also hunted in areas that he was in. He did that while hunting for scrap metal during world war 2. He was effective at getting people to look for him. I would say that is using your head so more specimens could be found and using people that were familiar with the land to hunt those areas. When Norton County fell, Nininger was standing on top of the meteorite when Lincoln LaPaz and his friend arrived and looked down to see Nininger already there. Don't tell me that hunters these days don't get local people to hunt and go back to buy later. Sure they hunt themselves but getting others to help expedites finds. One would have to define what a meteorite hunter is (as mentioned already in this thread). Just because it doesn't fit your definition doesn't mean that hunting in a specific way is wrong or excludes you as a hunter. People making the claim that Nininger wasn't a hunter, haven't read all his books and don't know the extreme efforts he went to finding new specimens. He often went back to areas and conducted hunts while also approaching people who might know something about a find or fall. Plainview, Texas is one area that he hunted extensively finding more specimens to collect and trade. He went into Mexico chasing down leads which were pretty risky back then. One also has to remember the time and conditions in which Harvey Nininger hunted. He hunted in the depression era but was still able to persuade investors to buy into his hunts. Transportation was not good back then. Lots of dirt roads and hazards along the way while driving his model T. Patching tires in deep mud. Making it three or four hundred miles was tough. Flying back then was expensive and not real common. There were no interstate roads that you could jump in your car and drive 700 miles a day easily. Metal detectors weren't as effective and bulky. People were very cautious of strangers in their towns and on their ranches and farms. Harvey mentioned that for every successful trip, there were dozens of other trips that didn't pan out. He wasn't eager to mention the trips that weren't successful. If he found or was able to have others help him find over 222 new finds or falls and over a thousand meteorite specimens, he certainly picked up a number of meteorite specimens himself. Multiply 222 times a dozen or two (trips or leads that weren't successful) and you have nearly 5,000 to 6,000 trips and hunts. Divide by a forty year span of time and you have about 125 trips or hunts a year! How many trips are people making these days using modern transportation? Nininger would often and smartly combine trips but that is still a lot of hunting in my book. Nininger used Farington's book on meteorites 1915 to hunt down old strewnfields. I'll try to dig up some of his personal finds and post them here when time permits. Saying Harvey Nininger wasn't hardly a meteorite hunter shows a great deal of ignorance and such people making claims should read some of his books he wrote to educate themselves. Best! --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE Worst and least SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER O...
Tom, that story beats all! LOL And I agree - Michael Blood may be one of the worst finders, but he's a great guy. :) Best regards, MikeG On 7/16/09, starsandsco...@aol.com starsandsco...@aol.com wrote: Hi Michael, I just might have you beat. I spend most of my meteorite time on the microscopes but I have spent more days hunting than I care to remember and nothing. My icing on the cake was when I took my son to Gold Basin and was certain he would find some thing. I bought a 156 gr. Gold Basin on eBay and placed it under a bush. We hunted around so as to not make it look obvious of what I had done and then we worked our way back to the hidden stone. Two hours of looking for it and it was lost. He was done with that area and wanted to move on. I kept saying There has got to be one here, I just know it! Never did find that one! Tom In a message dated 7/16/2009 2:16:01 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mlbl...@cox.net writes: Hi All, I nominate myself as the worst all time meteorite hunter. I have searched 12 strewn fields including the following and under The tutelage of no less than John Blennert at Gold Basin, The Lawrence Family who LIVE in the Correo Strewn Field and have found more than All others combined, and Steve Shoner, the Master of Holbrook: Correo Some stinking Dry Lake in CA Gold Bason Canyon Diablo Glorietta 29 Palms Holbrook Others too numerous to even remember. My TOTAL take = one single Correo of 11.18g Can anyone challenge my all time failure as a hunter? I particularly remember walking parallel to John, only a few yards Off to John Blennert's right and watching Gold Basin meteorites Jump out of the ground and into his pockets. I swear at one Point he picked up 5 different specimens in less than 5 minutes! Me Well, not so good. If anyone can challenge the magnitude of my record as the Worst all time meteorite hunter, I double dog dare ya. Best wishes, Michael On 7/16/09 12:39 PM, Steve Arnold dealer/Qynne meteorh...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/16/2009 12:11:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com writes: Steve Arnold is a contender, I think he beat the pants off Mike at West, but didn't he have a 5 year long drought? *** Phil, I am honored by your mention, but we have to be serious here. I have only hunted at 7 sites in the last 4 years, spending 90% of my time at two sites. West was a fun 28 day detour in it all. Before 2005 I was an amateur meteorite hunter only hitting one or two places a year with metal detector in hand. In 2003 I picked up 113 meteorites from Park Forest, one being 11 km from the main mass, I found the most there, but I don't think anyone else was even trying to find a lot. For the most part, over the years I invested most of my time and made most of my money from being a dealer not a hunter. If we are judging this by total weight recovered, I am beat by quite a few people on lifetime numbers. If we are judged by total number recoveries from different locations, there are many people who beat me. If we judge by profit from meteorite sales of found meteorites, there are many more higher on that list than I am. Maybe, if you judged success by most media coverage (TV, newspaper, Radio, Magazines,internet, etc.) I would be at the top of that list. But I hardly think that is a good barometer for determining the Most Successful Meteorite Hunter. Success is our world is often judged by the amount of money you make. So who has made the most money? But what about people that are not in this for the bottom line only? Cottingham mentioned not willing to sacrifice family time to be gone from home too much. If his kids grow up emotionally well balanced because he was in their lives more, but someone else finds more meteorites but has a lousy home life, some people might argue who really was more of a success? It is easier to measure who did the best at one location. Let's all go to Holbrook for the weekend, and whomever finds the most in number wins the title for the day. Or drop us off at Munonionalusta for a week, and we can put the bounty on the scales 7 days later. Who found the biggest West? Or the most Wests? Or the most total weight of Wests? Who will find the most at this new Arizona Strewnfield? I think it might be possible to single out who might have had the best year financially, in total weight, in total numbers etc in a given year, but to stretch it out for more than a decade long period of time, that gets a bit tough, and very subjective. Someone might be better or worse than their numbers indicate because of other factors in their life. Others might just get a little lucky. It is all so subjective. And to top it off, I don't know if anyone out there is hell bent on finding
[meteorite-list] AD eBay Auctions Ending
Greetings, I have three eBay auctions ending in about 17 hours and 3 days 17 hours. The first two are a Zag 297 gram (sort of) endpiece with lots of crust. Would make a nice collections specimen or a good cutter. A Seymchan slice 209 grams with good crystal to metal ratio. I also have a Lafayette specimen that was in my personal collection. This is a fairly large fragment (.03 gm) and one of the larger specimens offered in a while of this material. Very little material available for collectors. See all my auctions here: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/almittmet_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ All my best and thank you for looking! --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Ash Creek Slices Available
The new 225g Ash Creek has been cut and several slices made http://outofabluesky.com/index.php?option=com_jportfoliocat=4project=46Itemid=58 From 13g to a 38g endcut. There are also several micros for sale. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Astro Mike's Color Enhanced Meteor Picture
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/original6.jpg?t=1247789030 http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/original7.jpg?t=1247789091 http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/original4.jpg?t=1247789153 http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/original5.jpg?t=1247789215 Here are some color enhanced versions of Astro Mike's Meteor Photo. Latent background pixels were colorized to bring them out. The patterns were in the original photo. With some imagination the dust motes look like big meteor chunks flying off the bolide and raining down to earth. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ivan Skip Wilson -One of Americas GreatMeteorite Hunters
Hi, When Michael first mentioned Ivan Skip Wilson, my first thought was, Here comes da judge, here comes da judge. I did a quick google search and came up with very little on the man. I will have to do more digging later. In the meantime it would be great if someone with more knowledge can place an entry in Wikipedia, or even direct links so we newbies can learn more on Mr. Wilson. Carl Michael Cottingham wrote: Some of you know him, some of you have heard of him and many of the newer members of this list should know about him. Ivan Skip Wilson is one of the most successful meteorite hunters in the world... _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Hello, Actually, Nininger DID NOT personally find that many meteorites. His recoveries through his other efforts allowed him to recover thousands of pounds of meteorites, but he the man/individual-personally did not find that many. I have read ALL his books, many, many times. In fact, I usually take a copy of Find A Falling Star with me to read when I am in the field. Nininger is great for a lot of reasons and I hold him in the highest of all regards. However, if you look through the British Catalog of Meteorites, you will find very few meteorites that were actually found by him. I do not remember how many exactly (maybe 2). Nininger and meteorite recoveries are a different story. He recovered through the efforts of his teachings, lectures, and other people looking for him - tons of meteorites. One of the few meteorites that Nininger personally found was Puente- Ladron in Socorro County, New Mexico. Nininger's arch rival Lincoln LaPaz stated that Nininger transported the meteorite there. Lapaz hated Nininger, so much that he wrote many papers with out right lies about Nininger. Yes, Nininger recovered a lot of Plainview and Toluca. However, I am not sure if he personally found any?? Someone want to tally up the personal finds of Nininger-that would be great. Best Wishes Michael Cottingham On Jul 16, 2009, at 3:13 PM, al mitt wrote: Greetings List, Not sure where this idea that Harvey Nininger wasn't a meteorite hunter came from but it is wrong. He was a meteorite hunter, he chased falls, plotted areas they fell in and went to those areas to search. He also hunted in areas that he was in. He did that while hunting for scrap metal during world war 2. He was effective at getting people to look for him. I would say that is using your head so more specimens could be found and using people that were familiar with the land to hunt those areas. When Norton County fell, Nininger was standing on top of the meteorite when Lincoln LaPaz and his friend arrived and looked down to see Nininger already there. Don't tell me that hunters these days don't get local people to hunt and go back to buy later. Sure they hunt themselves but getting others to help expedites finds. One would have to define what a meteorite hunter is (as mentioned already in this thread). Just because it doesn't fit your definition doesn't mean that hunting in a specific way is wrong or excludes you as a hunter. People making the claim that Nininger wasn't a hunter, haven't read all his books and don't know the extreme efforts he went to finding new specimens. He often went back to areas and conducted hunts while also approaching people who might know something about a find or fall. Plainview, Texas is one area that he hunted extensively finding more specimens to collect and trade. He went into Mexico chasing down leads which were pretty risky back then. One also has to remember the time and conditions in which Harvey Nininger hunted. He hunted in the depression era but was still able to persuade investors to buy into his hunts. Transportation was not good back then. Lots of dirt roads and hazards along the way while driving his model T. Patching tires in deep mud. Making it three or four hundred miles was tough. Flying back then was expensive and not real common. There were no interstate roads that you could jump in your car and drive 700 miles a day easily. Metal detectors weren't as effective and bulky. People were very cautious of strangers in their towns and on their ranches and farms. Harvey mentioned that for every successful trip, there were dozens of other trips that didn't pan out. He wasn't eager to mention the trips that weren't successful. If he found or was able to have others help him find over 222 new finds or falls and over a thousand meteorite specimens, he certainly picked up a number of meteorite specimens himself. Multiply 222 times a dozen or two (trips or leads that weren't successful) and you have nearly 5,000 to 6,000 trips and hunts. Divide by a forty year span of time and you have about 125 trips or hunts a year! How many trips are people making these days using modern transportation? Nininger would often and smartly combine trips but that is still a lot of hunting in my book. Nininger used Farington's book on meteorites 1915 to hunt down old strewnfields. I'll try to dig up some of his personal finds and post them here when time permits. Saying Harvey Nininger wasn't hardly a meteorite hunter shows a great deal of ignorance and such people making claims should read some of his books he wrote to educate themselves. Best! --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ivan Skip Wilson -One of Americas GreatMeteorite Hunters
Hello, If you Google-Roosevelt County Meteorites you get a lot more to work with- Best Wishes Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Carl 's wrote: Hi, When Michael first mentioned Ivan Skip Wilson, my first thought was, Here comes da judge, here comes da judge. I did a quick google search and came up with very little on the man. I will have to do more digging later. In the meantime it would be great if someone with more knowledge can place an entry in Wikipedia, or even direct links so we newbies can learn more on Mr. Wilson. Carl Michael Cottingham wrote: Some of you know him, some of you have heard of him and many of the newer members of this list should know about him. Ivan Skip Wilson is one of the most successful meteorite hunters in the world... _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unprofessionalism
In regards to the loss of respect I am referring to, I would like to clarify something. I still respect all hunters, collectors, scientists and enthusiasts on this list just as I do on other lists I am a member of. I'm not above admitting that maybe I was a bit too harsh in that statement. The ones I am referring to simply lose some hero points because of the tirades. I very highly respect the anyone who puts in the hours or research, field work, and the compiling of the data it takes to be successful in this business, especially when they are successful. When there are personal attacks publicly on-list this effect all of us because they become a reflection on the meteorite community to new comers and the media. That's all I have to say on this... -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA Paul G. Spears wrote: Well said, Eric. I was so impressed with the posts I read for the first two months I was on the List. The last two weeks have completely erased my respect for those who have conducted the most egotistical, immature and unprofessional smear attacks against list members. If they cannot control their egos and testosterone and have to fight, they should take it outside. I do not want my friends to think I am like that. Other forums restrict such conduct, and so should the List. Regards, Paul __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ivan Skip Wilson
Michael and List, Michael, you wrote in part, : Some of you know him, some of you have heard of him and many of the newer members of this list should know about him. Ivan Skip Wilson is one of the most successful meteorite hunters in the world. He is a kind man and he shared his wealth of information with me. A remarkable human being who is always sharing stories, generous with his meteorite knowledge and gifted at finding lots of meteorites. I just want to add that I couldn't agree more! I first read of Skip in a small newsletter I used to get called METEOR NEWS. Obviously, it dealt mostly with meteors, but occasionally had meteorite and tektite related articles. The April 1990 issue (Number 89) was almost entirely devoted to an article entitled An Interview With Skip Wilson . I was absolutely enthralled at reading his adventures. And two particular sentences were etched into my memory: I have hunted mostly alone but have hunted some with local people and am always interested in hunting with anyone who is interested. If any of the readers ever get in this area, look me up and I will go hunting. I never forgot about his standing invitation, and a little over 8 years later, I was lucky enough to meet with him as a part of one of the best hunting trips I've ever been on for sure! ;-) He was every bit as kind and helpful as you wrote. Although it didn't work out for us to actually HUNT together then, I consider myself very lucky in having the chance to visit and spend some very enjoyable time with Skip. Sincerely, Robert Woolard __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Greg, You had written in part: I don't know whether Bob Haag is the best hunter/collector, but I can tell you that he is the nicest guy you could want to know... You got that right! Way back in 1986, I first saw Robert Haag on the David Letterman Show. I was stunned to find out an ordinary person could actually buy and own a meteorite. I contacted him the very next day and ordered a few meteorites from him. He was out of stock on one of them and so he sent me a major upgrade on a similar specimen ( a much larger and nicer pallasite slice, for the same price.) Then a bit later, when I found out he had actually hunted for and found some meteorites himself on a few trips, I was on the phone to him several times getting advice. I can see now that I was probably a bit of a pest, I must admit, but he never had anything but patience for me. I have talked with him on the phone and in person in Tucson many, many times now, and he has not changed in that regard. I was very happy that I had a chance to spend some time with him at West, and on a beer run to a liquor store together, I made sure he knew that HE was THE force behind me having had the thrills of finding my very own meteorites over about a half-dozen trips. Because of his help, my best friend and I have had the unbelievable luck of finding over 2,100 specimens totaling over 500 lbs on these few trips. Though there are definitely many others who have found more than me, I NEVER, NEVER would have thought that would have been possible when I was a young boy growing up in the cotton fields in NE Arkansas, and wishing that one day ONE day I would find an actual REAL meteorite there in the ground. And it all started with this wildly enthusiastic kid on the David Letterman show, who took the time to help a newbie. Sincerely, Robert Woolard __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
