Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possibleNEW New Mexico Strewnfield

2009-10-06 Thread Jeff Kuyken
Congrats on those wonderful finds Ruben. That 'achondrite' looking stone has 
stumped me a little.


The first thing I thought of before a close look at the pics was a 
Mesosiderite which explains a number of the features present. But the thing 
that really threw me was the chondrules. Maybe it's just me, but it looks 
like there are quite a few of them there. Those last couple of pics looks at 
least a little like a breccia of chondrite material mixed in. The last pic 
has what looks like a number of bleached chondrules and fragments of them 
too. Is that what I'm seeing Ruben or does it look different in 'person'? It 
will be VERY interesting to see where the oxygen isotopes plot for this one.


Cheers,

Jeff



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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 7:15 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possibleNEW 
New Mexico Strewnfield



Hi all,

On September 24, 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie – so we will soon know.

Here is a link
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm


This past weekend – in an attempt to find more - I put together a team
of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller, Sonny Clary, Stan Wall,
Del Waterbury, Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately, between the
rains and mud we came up empty.

After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
where no finds have been recorded.

We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
one and then shortly after I did too.

We think this may prove to be a “NEW” and very fresh New Mexico Strewn
field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.

Take a look
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm


Ruben Garcia
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find

2009-10-06 Thread Melanie Matthews

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LOL=20

So has Hopper ever shown any inclination to hunt for or shown interest in a=
ny other meteorites besides that one stone she found?=20

So anyway=2C congrats on your new fine!=20

Cheers/saludos=A0=20
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 Date: Mon=2C 5 Oct 2009 16:32:22 -0700
 From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com
 To: ensorama...@ntlworld.com
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find

 Yes=2C Hopper and I will buy you lunch if you are right. I'd have to
 consult her to give anymore as she was there at the time of finding
 and so half the stone is hers



 On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 4:27 PM=2C  wrote:
 My guess is still a mesosiderite...any prizes for the correct guess when=
 ASU confirm?  =3B-)

 Good luck

 Graham

  Ruben Garcia  wrote:
 Thanks Jason=2C
 I stand corrected. An acapulcoite would be nice.

 On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 4:03 PM=2C Jason Utas  wrote:
 Yo=2C
 An acapulcoite might have a chondrule=2C but a lodranite=2C given the
 increased metamorphism=2C highly doubtful.
 That's what differentiates lodranites from acapulcoites - larger grain
 size due to more intense/prolonged periods of metamorphism.
 I would say a mesosiderite - compare to Clover Springs or Vaca Muerta.
  I suppose it could be a CB/CH=2C though - but the olivine would sugge=
st
 otherwise.
 Nice find=2C regardless.
 Regards=2C
 Jason

 On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 3:52 PM=2C Ruben Garcia  wrote:
 Hi Bernd and Greg=2C

 It is so strange that is for sure. I don't know what it is but it has
 about the same metal as an H chondrite and the olivine of a diogenite
 but the (possible) chondrule of a lodranite. Go figure

 Whatever it is I have never seen anything quite like it.




 On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 3:32 PM=2C   wrote:
 Ruben wrote: Ureilite maybe?

 Hi Ruben and List=2C

 Yes=2C maybe a ureilite like the Hup=E9s' NWA 2624 but where are the=
 triple junctions?
 You would expect a lot of olivine grains with sets of three olivin=
e grains that meet
 in triple junctions of 120=B0 (3 x 120=B0 =3D 360=B0).

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Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possible NEW New Mexico Strewnfield

2009-10-06 Thread meteoritefin...@yahoo.com
Hello Rubin,

 Congrats on the find! That's got to have been quite a rush. Can't wait to see 
what the final classification turns out to be.  Good luck.

Best wishes,
Robert Woolard

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 5, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all,

On September 24, 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie – so we will soon know.

Here is a link
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm


This past weekend – in an attempt to find more - I put together a team
of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller, Sonny Clary, Stan Wall,
Del Waterbury, Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately, between the
rains and mud we came up empty.

After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
where no finds have been recorded.

We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
one and then shortly after I did too.

We think this may prove to be a “NEW” and very fresh New Mexico Strewn
field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.

Take a look
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm


Ruben Garcia
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find

2009-10-06 Thread Jeff Kuyken

Hi Bernd  Ruben,

The problem with a Ureilite is that I believe metallic iron/nickel is in 
relatively small amounts in them. It usually forms small veinlets around the 
grains and are the first thing to weather away (low nickel content) and 
often lost in slicing too. Because of this only VERY fresh Ureilites 
generally have these.


http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/nwa2705.html

NWA 2624 for comparison:

http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/nwa2624.html

Cheers,

Jeff



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Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:32 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find


Ruben wrote: Ureilite maybe?

Hi Ruben and List,

Yes, maybe a ureilite like the Hupés' NWA 2624 but where are the triple 
junctions?
You would expect a lot of olivine grains with sets of three olivine grains 
that meet

in triple junctions of 120° (3 x 120° = 360°).

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Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus apossibleNEW New Mexico Strewnfield

2009-10-06 Thread Jeff Kuyken

I guess the riddle to ask is When does a pallasite have chondrules?


You may jest Rob but I've seen it. ;-)

Not a Pallasite with chondrules as such but pieces of extremely weathered 
Huckitta. It almost looks like a weathered (W5) type 3 or 4 impact melt. 
They look a bit like chondrules... but they're not. Very, very weird stuff!


Cheers,

Jeff


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Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus 
apossibleNEW New Mexico Strewnfield



Hi Ruben,

Congrats on the new Arizona find! What a terrific discovery: metal,
large olivine phenocrysts, and even a lonely chondrule. The presence
of that chondrule would seem, by definition, to rule out an achondrite
classification, although I understand acapulcoites apparently (and
paradoxically) can contain chondrules (e.g. NWA 725, GRA 98028).
But I can't say I've ever heard of an acapulcoite with such large
olivine phenocrysts, so I would be inclined to rule out this
classification.

I guess the riddle to ask is When does a pallasite have chondrules?

:D  --Rob

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Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:15 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
possibleNEW New Mexico Strewnfield


Hi all,

On September 24, 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie – so we will soon know.

Here is a link
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm


This past weekend – in an attempt to find more - I put together a team
of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller, Sonny Clary, Stan Wall,
Del Waterbury, Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately, between the
rains and mud we came up empty.

After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
where no finds have been recorded.

We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
one and then shortly after I did too.

We think this may prove to be a “NEW” and very fresh New Mexico Strewn
field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.

Take a look
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm


Ruben Garcia
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[meteorite-list] AD: NWAs, shergotite, Diogenite, L4s etc

2009-10-06 Thread dean bessey
See my updated website here:
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I will be listing a lot more over the next week so check back for more 
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find

2009-10-06 Thread Ruben Garcia
Hi Melanie,

I don't know for sure, however she was leading me around as I held her
leash when I made this find.




On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Melanie Matthews
spacewoman2...@hotmail.com wrote:

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 LOL=20

 So has Hopper ever shown any inclination to hunt for or shown interest in a=
 ny other meteorites besides that one stone she found?=20

 So anyway=2C congrats on your new fine!=20

 Cheers/saludos=A0=20
 ---
 Melanie=20
 IMCA: 2975
 eBay: metmel2775
 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
 =A0
 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what=
  you're gonna get!=20

 
 Date: Mon=2C 5 Oct 2009 16:32:22 -0700
 From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com
 To: ensorama...@ntlworld.com
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find

 Yes=2C Hopper and I will buy you lunch if you are right. I'd have to
 consult her to give anymore as she was there at the time of finding
 and so half the stone is hers



 On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 4:27 PM=2C  wrote:
 My guess is still a mesosiderite...any prizes for the correct guess when=
  ASU confirm?  =3B-)

 Good luck

 Graham

  Ruben Garcia  wrote:
 Thanks Jason=2C
 I stand corrected. An acapulcoite would be nice.

 On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 4:03 PM=2C Jason Utas  wrote:
 Yo=2C
 An acapulcoite might have a chondrule=2C but a lodranite=2C given the
 increased metamorphism=2C highly doubtful.
 That's what differentiates lodranites from acapulcoites - larger grain
 size due to more intense/prolonged periods of metamorphism.
 I would say a mesosiderite - compare to Clover Springs or Vaca Muerta.
  I suppose it could be a CB/CH=2C though - but the olivine would sugge=
 st
 otherwise.
 Nice find=2C regardless.
 Regards=2C
 Jason

 On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 3:52 PM=2C Ruben Garcia  wrote:
 Hi Bernd and Greg=2C

 It is so strange that is for sure. I don't know what it is but it has
 about the same metal as an H chondrite and the olivine of a diogenite
 but the (possible) chondrule of a lodranite. Go figure

 Whatever it is I have never seen anything quite like it.




 On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 3:32 PM=2C   wrote:
 Ruben wrote: Ureilite maybe?

 Hi Ruben and List=2C

 Yes=2C maybe a ureilite like the Hup=E9s' NWA 2624 but where are the=
  triple junctions?
 You would expect a lot of olivine grains with sets of three olivin=
 e grains that meet
 in triple junctions of 120=B0 (3 x 120=B0 =3D 360=B0).

 Bernd

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[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 6, 2009

2009-10-06 Thread Michael Johnson
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_6_2009.html



  

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[meteorite-list] Inspecting an asteroid that hit Earth

2009-10-06 Thread Michael Groetz
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/48063/title/Inspecting_an_asteroid_that_hit_Earth_

Body looked like a loaf of bread, contained amino acids and may have
been blasted off a larger objectBy Ron Cowen Web edition : Monday,
October 5th, 2009

Scientists have recreated what the asteroid 2008 TC3 looked like just
before it slammed face-first into Earth on October 7, 2008. An
artist’s illustration shows, in 12-second intervals, only the
flattened part of the asteroid that faced Earth as it fell. The
horizontal line at top shows actual observations of the asteroid. P.
Scheirich, P. Jenniskens FAJARDO, Puerto Rico — Planetary scientists
have reported a slew of new findings about the first asteroid ever
spotted before pieces of it fell to Earth. The space rock contained a
number of amino acids, had a flattened shape and appears to have been
blasted off the surface of a larger body, researchers reported October
5 at the annual meeting of the American Astronomical Society’s
Division for Planetary Sciences.

The asteroid, 2008 TC3, first came into the limelight in 2008 when
researchers spotted the body just 19 hours before it broke apart in
Earth’s atmosphere and crashed into northern Sudan. Planetary
scientists tracked the intact asteroid as it fell to the ground as
meteorites (SN: 4/25/09, p. 13).

As observed through a telescope during the last two hours of its
journey to Earth, the small asteroid appeared only as a flickering
point of light. But by analyzing the variations in brightness of the
rock as it tumbled through space, along with information culled from
fragments on the ground, Peter Scheirich of the Czech Academy of
Sciences in Ondrejov and his colleagues have now reconstructed what
the asteroid would have looked like up close. The space rock resembled
a flattened loaf of bread, Scheirich reported.

Further analysis of the shape of the asteroid, along with estimates of
the asteroid’s mass and the reflectivity of the recovered meteorites,
could reveal whether the rock is solid through and through or porous,
like a loosely held rubble pile, he adds.

The rock entered Earth’s atmosphere “like the Apollo space capsule,
flat face forward,” says Peter Jenniskens of the SETI Institute in
Mountain View, Calif., who led an effort to recover some 300
meteorites in Sudan in October 2008.

Structures in the meteorites — pores lined with fine-grained crystals
of a mineral called olivine — suggest that the asteroid was blasted
off the surface of a larger rock, reported Michael Zolensky of NASA’s
Johnson Space Center in Houston. That means it should be relatively
easy to use the properties of these meteorites to understand the
properties of thousands of observed asteroids in space, which only
reveal clues about their surfaces through telescope images and
spectra, he says.

Other studies, also reported October 5, reveal that the meteorites
contain amino acids, the building blocks of proteins, that must have
come from 2008 TC3, reported Michael Callahan of NASA’s Goddard Space
Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

The meteorites belong to a rare type called ureilites, which contain
microscopic diamonds. “To my knowledge this is the first report of
amino acids in any ureilite-type meteorite,” said Daniel Glavin of
NASA-Goddard, who collaborated with Callahan and other colleagues on
the analysis.

The researchers identified 18 amino acids, including
alpha-aminoisobutyric acid and isovaline. Because they are uncommon on
Earth, Glavin said, “it is highly likely that these two amino acids
were formed in space.”

“The discovery of amino acids in [2008 TC3] provides additional
support for the idea that organic matter delivered by asteroids could
have seeded the early Earth with the raw ingredients for life,” he
noted. At the same time, the presence of the amino acids is puzzling,
Glavin added.

Evidence suggests that 2008 TC3 was heated to temperatures as high as
1,300˚ Celsius billions of years ago, yet amino acids are destroyed at
temperatures above 500–600˚C, Glavin said. Other researchers,
including Richard Zare, Amy Morrow and Hassan Sabbah of Stanford
University in Palo Alto, Calif., reported that they had found common
components of soot known as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in the
meteorites. This soot is interspersed with amino acids, Zare said.

“The big mystery now is how did these complex organic compounds
survive such high temperatures?” notes Glavin.

One possibility is that the amino acids or their precursors were
incorporated into the asteroid’s parent rock during its formation and
survived the heating and melting that would have occurred when the
parent rock was blasted into pieces.  Another possibility, he notes,
is that amino acids formed inside 2008 TC3 itself much later on, after
it cooled to temperatures below 500–600˚C.

To help settle these and other questions, Jenniskens plans to return
to Sudan  this December to pick up more specimens.
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[meteorite-list] AD - Fresh NWA xxx unclassified meteorites

2009-10-06 Thread Thomas Gmail

Hi all,

I've just got some new unclassified NWA xxx meteorites. Please have a 
look. They weight between 15 to 70 g. Some with nice crust and not or 
only lightly weathered.


Thanks.
Thomas

http://www.saharagems.com/id49.html

and

http://www.saharagems.com/id63.html


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[meteorite-list] paper on fusion crust by P. Ramdohr

2009-10-06 Thread i...@niger-meteorite-recon.de
Hi all,

perhaps someone has vol. 2 (5/1967) of Earth and Planetary Science Letters in
their library? Page 197 should have an article by P. Ramdohr titled Die
Schmelzkruste der Meteoriten. 

I know there are other more recent papers on the subject, I need this particular
article however. Your help is most appreciated.

Svend

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Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possibleNEW New Mexico Strewnfield

2009-10-06 Thread wahlperry

Hi Ruben, Rob and List,

I would like to congratulate Ruben on his new find. There is no doubt 
that this will be one of the top finds for 2009! Here is my 2 cents 
worth on what type meteorite this may be. I had a chance to look at the 
exterior and polished face. My first impression of the cut face  
reminded me of a ureilite. I also noticed what appeared to be a 
chondrule that would rule out a ureilite, unless it was a relic 
chondrule. The exterior has the weathered appearance of a lodranite. 
What ever this meteorite turns out to be, it will be unique. I guess we 
will have to leave it up to the experts.


2 cents worth poll : )

#1 Ureilite
#2 Lodranite


Sonny








Hi Ruben,

Congrats on the new Arizona find! What a terrific discovery: metal,
large olivine phenocrysts, and even a lonely chondrule. The presence
of that chondrule would seem, by definition, to rule out an achondrite
classification, although I understand acapulcoites apparently (and
paradoxically) can contain chondrules (e.g. NWA 725, GRA 98028).
But I can't say I've ever heard of an acapulcoite with such large
olivine phenocrysts, so I would be inclined to rule out this
classification.

I guess the riddle to ask is When does a pallasite have chondrules?

:D  --Rob

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Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
possibleNEW New Mexico Strewnfield


Hi all,

On September 24, 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie – so we will soon know.

Here is a link
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm


This past weekend – in an attempt to find more - I put together a team
of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller, Sonny Clary, Stan Wall,
Del Waterbury, Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately, between the
rains and mud we came up empty.

After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
where no finds have been recorded.

We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
one and then shortly after I did too.

We think this may prove to be a “NEW” and very fresh New Mexico=2
0Strewn
field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.

Take a look
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm


Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possibleNEW New Mexico Strewnfield

2009-10-06 Thread Ruben Garcia
Wow, thanks Paul, Sonny, Rob and everyone else for all the interest on
my meteorite.
I think Sonny is right it is by no means ordinary and will be a cool
find watever it is.







On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote:
 Wow, thanks Sonny, Rob and everyone else for all the interest on my meteorite.
 I think Sonny is right it is by no means ordinary and will be a cool
 find watever it is.






 On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:58 AM,  wahlpe...@aol.com wrote:
 Hi Ruben, Rob and List,

 I would like to congratulate Ruben on his new find. There is no doubt that
 this will be one of the top finds for 2009! Here is my 2 cents worth on what
 type meteorite this may be. I had a chance to look at the exterior and
 polished face. My first impression of the cut face  reminded me of a
 ureilite. I also noticed what appeared to be a chondrule that would rule out
 a ureilite, unless it was a relic chondrule. The exterior has the weathered
 appearance of a lodranite. What ever this meteorite turns out to be, it will
 be unique. I guess we will have to leave it up to the experts.

 2 cents worth poll : )

 #1 Ureilite
 #2 Lodranite


 Sonny








 Hi Ruben,

 Congrats on the new Arizona find! What a terrific discovery: metal,
 large olivine phenocrysts, and even a lonely chondrule. The presence
 of that chondrule would seem, by definition, to rule out an achondrite
 classification, although I understand acapulcoites apparently (and
 paradoxically) can contain chondrules (e.g. NWA 725, GRA 98028).
 But I can't say I've ever heard of an acapulcoite with such large
 olivine phenocrysts, so I would be inclined to rule out this
 classification.

 I guess the riddle to ask is When does a pallasite have chondrules?

 :D  --Rob

 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]on Behalf Of Ruben
 Garcia
 Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:15 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
 possibleNEW New Mexico Strewnfield


 Hi all,

 On September 24, 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
 important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
 a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
 definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
 being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie – so we will soon know.

 Here is a link
 http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm


 This past weekend – in an attempt to find more - I put together a team
 of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller, Sonny Clary, Stan Wall,
 Del Waterbury, Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately, between the
 rains and mud we came up empty.

 After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
 we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
 east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
 where no finds have been recorded.

 We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
 examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
 it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
 one and then shortly after I did too.

 We think this may prove to be a “NEW” and very fresh New Mexico=2
 0Strewn
 field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
 beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.

 Take a look
 http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm


 Ruben Garcia
 Phoenix, Arizona
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possible NEW New Mexico Strewnfield

2009-10-06 Thread tracy latimer

I'm going to throw my hat in the ring with Graham and say mesosiderite.  The 
spray of fine metal flakes surrounding a central feature (olivine crystal?) 
reminds me of a similar feature in the part slice of Estherville I got some 
time ago from Anne B.

Best!
Tracy Latimer


 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:15:26 -0700
 From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possible NEW 
 New Mexico Strewnfield

 Hi all,

 On September 24, 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
 important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
 a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
 definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
 being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie – so we will soon know.

 Here is a link
 http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite classification quiz!

2009-10-06 Thread tracy latimer

Good fun! although I had help; the photo of El Hammami was labeled ;)  I got 88 
first go on 'easy', but don't expect my score to increase if I go for harder 
levels.

Best!
Tracy Latimer


 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:51:34 -0400
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 From: jgross...@usgs.gov
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite classification quiz!

 For your amusement:

 http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/NameThatMeteorite.php

 Jeff

 Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184
 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possibleNEW New Mexico Strewnfield

2009-10-06 Thread Greg Stanley

80659e1a0910060927u103a8c12w942fc74ca3f1b...@mail.gmail.com
 

 80659e1a0910060930p3ae88d9fhb7edade849819...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0


Ruben and List:

For my final answer=2C I say a metal rich diogenite like NWA 3106 (~12% met=
al).=A0 I'm going out on a limb here.=A0 Perhaps it contains sub-rounded cl=
asts.

This is fun - we need more of these where list member can guess.

Greg S.


 Date: Tue=2C 6 Oct 2009 09:30:05 -0700
 From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possib=
leNEW New Mexico Strewnfield

 Wow=2C thanks Paul=2C Sonny=2C Rob and everyone else for all the interest=
 on
 my meteorite.
 I think Sonny is right it is by no means ordinary and will be a cool
 find watever it is.







 On Tue=2C Oct 6=2C 2009 at 9:27 AM=2C Ruben Garcia  wrote:
 Wow=2C thanks Sonny=2C Rob and everyone else for all the interest on my =
meteorite.
 I think Sonny is right it is by no means ordinary and will be a cool
 find watever it is.






 On Tue=2C Oct 6=2C 2009 at 8:58 AM=2C   wrote:
 Hi Ruben=2C Rob and List=2C

 I would like to congratulate Ruben on his new find. There is no doubt t=
hat
 this will be one of the top finds for 2009! Here is my 2 cents worth on=
 what
 type meteorite this may be. I had a chance to look at the exterior and
 polished face. My first impression of the cut face  reminded me of a
 ureilite. I also noticed what appeared to be a chondrule that would rul=
e out
 a ureilite=2C unless it was a relic chondrule. The exterior has the wea=
thered
 appearance of a lodranite. What ever this meteorite turns out to be=2C =
it will
 be unique. I guess we will have to leave it up to the experts.

 2 cents worth poll : )

 #1 Ureilite
 #2 Lodranite


 Sonny








 Hi Ruben=2C

 Congrats on the new Arizona find! What a terrific discovery: metal=2C
 large olivine phenocrysts=2C and even a lonely chondrule. The presence
 of that chondrule would seem=2C by definition=2C to rule out an achondr=
ite
 classification=2C although I understand acapulcoites apparently (and
 paradoxically) can contain chondrules (e.g. NWA 725=2C GRA 98028).
 But I can't say I've ever heard of an acapulcoite with such large
 olivine phenocrysts=2C so I would be inclined to rule out this
 classification.

 I guess the riddle to ask is When does a pallasite have chondrules?

 :D  --Rob

 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]on Behalf Of Ruben
 Garcia
 Sent: Monday=2C October 05=2C 2009 1:15 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
 possibleNEW New Mexico Strewnfield


 Hi all=2C

 On September 24=2C 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
 important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
 a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
 definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
 being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie =96 so we will soon know.

 Here is a link
 http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm


 This past weekend =96 in an attempt to find more - I put together a tea=
m
 of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller=2C Sonny Clary=2C Stan Wall=
=2C
 Del Waterbury=2C Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately=2C between the
 rains and mud we came up empty.

 After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
 we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
 east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
 where no finds have been recorded.

 We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
 examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
 it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
 one and then shortly after I did too.

 We think this may prove to be a =93NEW=94 and very fresh New Mexico=3D2
 0Strewn
 field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
 beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.

 Take a look
 http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm


 Ruben Garcia
 Phoenix=2C Arizona
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[meteorite-list] a possible new fall over morroco

2009-10-06 Thread habibi abdelaziz
hi all
 last wednesday at 18.30 gmt ,  a big fireball expolode over morroco has been  
wathced over agadir and also from assa tantan,
a witness man said from agadir that it expolde near agadir in 4 part , till now 
many hunter are so far looking for it, and
one  guy say it has gone to the beach but may be some of it still in morroco;

well the thing that is sur is the time of the explosionin the sky ,
no sample find yet
let hope we get some

thanks
aziz habibi
imca 6220
 habibi aziz 
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
phone. 21235576145 
fax.21235576170 


  
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[meteorite-list] Ad/Web site update Items from my collection, the good stuff.

2009-10-06 Thread Mike Miller
Hi Everyone here is an opportunity to scoop up some really nice stuff
I have kept off the market for some time. Killer Franconia, Wow
Sikhote one with a hole also a one of a kind art knife. Some really
nice material, have a look here
http://www.meteoritefinder.com/whats-new-sale.htm
Thanks

-- 
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[meteorite-list] an other beauty achondrite

2009-10-06 Thread habibi abdelaziz
hi all
here is an other fantastic gem 203 gr achondrite unclassified very very fresh 
and a nice shape,
full of flowlines and glassy ,
just a wondefull meteorite , have a look, photo speak by themself.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/

thanks
# I.M.C.A 6220

habibi aziz 
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
phone. 21235576145 
fax.21235576170/font


  
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[meteorite-list] [AD] A Few More Books For Sale

2009-10-06 Thread ja...@meteorites.pl
J. Lewis - Physics and Chemistry of the Solar System Second Edition 
(excellent condition, 9,5/10)


A. Davis - Meteorites, Comets, and Planets Treatise on Geochemistry, 
Volume 1 (excellent condition, 9,5/10)


B. Zanda and M. Rotaru - Meteorites Their Impact on Science and History 
(very good+ condition, 8,5/10)


O. Richard Norton - Rocks from Space Second Edition (excellent 
condition, 9,5/10)


H.H. Nininger - Out of the Sky (very good+ condition, 9/10)

J. Wasson - Meteorites Their Record of Early Solar-System History 
(ex-library, very good condition, 8/10)


D. Sears - The Nature and Origin of Meteorites (ex-library, very good+ 
condition, 8,5/10)


T. LeMaire - Stones from the Stars The Unsolved Mysteries of Meteorites 
(autographed, very good+ condition, 8,5/10)



Wholesale preferred. Questions and offers off-list, please.

Thanks for looking,
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possibleNEW New Mexico Strewnfield

2009-10-06 Thread Ruben Garcia
Hey Greg and List,

I love all these guesses - Lots of knowledge on here keep them coming!




On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey Grag and List,

 I love all these guesses - Lots of knowledge on here keep them coming!

 On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com 
 wrote:

        80659e1a0910060927u103a8c12w942fc74ca3f1b...@mail.gmail.com


  80659e1a0910060930p3ae88d9fhb7edade849819...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 MIME-Version: 1.0


 Ruben and List:

 For my final answer=2C I say a metal rich diogenite like NWA 3106 (~12% met=
 al).=A0 I'm going out on a limb here.=A0 Perhaps it contains sub-rounded cl=
 asts.

 This is fun - we need more of these where list member can guess.

 Greg S.

 
 Date: Tue=2C 6 Oct 2009 09:30:05 -0700
 From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possib=
 leNEW New Mexico Strewnfield

 Wow=2C thanks Paul=2C Sonny=2C Rob and everyone else for all the interest=
  on
 my meteorite.
 I think Sonny is right it is by no means ordinary and will be a cool
 find watever it is.







 On Tue=2C Oct 6=2C 2009 at 9:27 AM=2C Ruben Garcia  wrote:
 Wow=2C thanks Sonny=2C Rob and everyone else for all the interest on my =
 meteorite.
 I think Sonny is right it is by no means ordinary and will be a cool
 find watever it is.






 On Tue=2C Oct 6=2C 2009 at 8:58 AM=2C   wrote:
 Hi Ruben=2C Rob and List=2C

 I would like to congratulate Ruben on his new find. There is no doubt t=
 hat
 this will be one of the top finds for 2009! Here is my 2 cents worth on=
  what
 type meteorite this may be. I had a chance to look at the exterior and
 polished face. My first impression of the cut face  reminded me of a
 ureilite. I also noticed what appeared to be a chondrule that would rul=
 e out
 a ureilite=2C unless it was a relic chondrule. The exterior has the wea=
 thered
 appearance of a lodranite. What ever this meteorite turns out to be=2C =
 it will
 be unique. I guess we will have to leave it up to the experts.

 2 cents worth poll : )

 #1 Ureilite
 #2 Lodranite


 Sonny








 Hi Ruben=2C

 Congrats on the new Arizona find! What a terrific discovery: metal=2C
 large olivine phenocrysts=2C and even a lonely chondrule. The presence
 of that chondrule would seem=2C by definition=2C to rule out an achondr=
 ite
 classification=2C although I understand acapulcoites apparently (and
 paradoxically) can contain chondrules (e.g. NWA 725=2C GRA 98028).
 But I can't say I've ever heard of an acapulcoite with such large
 olivine phenocrysts=2C so I would be inclined to rule out this
 classification.

 I guess the riddle to ask is When does a pallasite have chondrules?

 :D  --Rob

 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]on Behalf Of Ruben
 Garcia
 Sent: Monday=2C October 05=2C 2009 1:15 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
 possibleNEW New Mexico Strewnfield


 Hi all=2C

 On September 24=2C 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
 important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
 a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
 definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
 being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie =96 so we will soon know.

 Here is a link
 http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm


 This past weekend =96 in an attempt to find more - I put together a tea=
 m
 of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller=2C Sonny Clary=2C Stan Wall=
 =2C
 Del Waterbury=2C Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately=2C between the
 rains and mud we came up empty.

 After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
 we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
 east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
 where no finds have been recorded.

 We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
 examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
 it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
 one and then shortly after I did too.

 We think this may prove to be a =93NEW=94 and very fresh New Mexico=3D2
 0Strewn
 field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
 beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.

 Take a look
 http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm


 Ruben Garcia
 Phoenix=2C Arizona
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[meteorite-list] an other beauty correction

2009-10-06 Thread habibi abdelaziz
hi all
it seems i forget to mention, in my last post that the meteorite 203 gr  
achondrite unclassified ;
is a possible diogenite , and that is only  based on  own  judjement,

sorry to have miss one of the rules of the imca,  i hope i have correct this,
from now on , please once you read unclassified meteorite and you see a comment 
this commment is personal and my own judjment,

http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/

so this beauty is an achondrite 203 gr that is a possible diogenite  could be 
something else,


thanks


# I.M.C.A 6220 habibi aziz 
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
phone. 21235576145 
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[meteorite-list] AD- CAI

2009-10-06 Thread Rob Wesel

Hello all

Single auction ending today where the cut face on this little CV3 an entire 
CAI


Kinda cool and relevant given last weeks excellent thread on CAI's and 
chondrule formation


Have a look

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=280403585241

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[meteorite-list] Al Hugf 007 question

2009-10-06 Thread STARSANDSCOPES
Hi all,  I was working on a thin section Al  Hugf 007 L4 and coming up with 
some cool micrographs.  I haven't learned  much about this meteorite and 
never seen it for sale except for the samples I  obtained from Ivan Kourtyrev 
several years ago.

I tried to look up info  and there is little out there but the TKW is shown 
at 200,000 Kg.  Is this  correct and if so does any one know why we haven't 
seen a ton of it on the  market like NWA 869?

Tom Phillips  

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[meteorite-list] Apollo 8, 10, 16 and 17 and Neil Armstrong's signed White Spacesuit color photo

2009-10-06 Thread Brian Cox

Hello fellow meteorite collectors,

Just in case anyone was wanting to look at what Heritage Auction House has 
for their Space Exploration Auction this month, here is a link. It's kind of 
interesting. Apollo 8, 10, 16 and 17 and Neil Armstrong's signed White 
Spacesuit color photo. Luigi Pizzimenti has a vast knowledge of NASA and the 
Space Program.

Have a great night and I hope a meteorite drops in your yards!

All the best!

Brian Cox

IMCA # 6387
searchingforfun is my ebay User ID

http://historical.ha.com/common/newsletter.php?id=2908type=histnws-tem100609#collector-a 


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[meteorite-list] 99-cent Planetary Rarities - Auctions Ending - AD

2009-10-06 Thread Greg Hupe

Dear List Members,

There will be a lot of Very Happy eBay bidders tomorrow, Wednesday, October 
7th. Those who are looking for great deals, should be looking here: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault


6 Lunars - Pennies on the dollars!
1 Martian - Pennies on the dollar!
3 Angrites - Pennies on the dollar!
Brachinite, Lodranite, Aubrite, Diogenite, other Achondrites... - Pennies on 
the dollar!!

HUGE CAI on a CV3...

OK, I think you get the point, if you would like a great deal on Classified 
material without the gamble or wishful thinking on unknown material, check 
out my eBay auctions. Always the Best, Always Guaranteed!!


Thank You to all who bid or browse, and Good Luck to those who want them 
the most!


Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault


Best regards,
Greg


Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmh...@htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163

Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault





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[meteorite-list] October Meteorite-Times is now up

2009-10-06 Thread Paul Harris

Dear List,

The October issue of Meteorite-Times is now up.
http://www.meteorite-times.com/meteorite_frame.htm

Enjoy!

Paul and Jim

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[meteorite-list] an other beauty correction,part 2

2009-10-06 Thread habibi abdelaziz
hi all
i have add the term POSSIBLE by respect  to the imca,because i was asked by the 
directors of the imca to do so;

still the stone i showed is 203 gr diogenite that a kid could see it's one ,but 
rules are rules and i m fine with that,
so its not a wishful thinking or unknown material,and  it's a nice gem to hold 
in your hand ;a prety glassy diogenite;
its a nice meteorite that is LIKELY  paired to many diogenite that came from 
western sahara, i have sold 100's,

ok i will keep selling meteorite that are unclassified  and based on my own 
judjment,

so i hope we get the POINT , and the POINT is that you have to see wonderfull 
stone that are coming from the desert
enjoy them as fresh as we get them without confusion,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/

thanks
aziz habibi


  
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[meteorite-list] New Arizona Chondrite

2009-10-06 Thread Michael Johnson
Photos added of Jack Schrader's New Arizona chondrite insitu:
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_6_2009.html



  

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