Re: [meteorite-list] Who will come to Munich?
Martin I will be there. Though I have to say I will be wearing my mineralogist's hat. Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: 23 October 2009 13:29 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Who will come to Munich? It's time for the Munich show! Who will be there? Martin __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Salt of the Earth: famous faces with Scottish roots, photographed by Craig Mackay. National Museum of Scotland. Opening 16 October. www.nms.ac.uk/salt http://www.nms.ac.uk/salt __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
Fake doesn't even begin to describe this one! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 26, 2009
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_26_2009.html --- Thumbed On My BlackBerry __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Galileo Block Party in Hilo
Aloha Metlist members, I'd like to share some information about a great outreach event that took place over the weekend. As a feature of the International Year of Astronomy, the Galileo Block Party was held on astronomy row in the University Park of Science and Technology on the campus of the University of Hawaiʻi at Hilo (UHH) on the Big Island of Hawaiʻi. Most of the observatories on Mauna Kea, UHH Physics and Astronomy Dept, and amateur astronomy groups participated by engaging in interactive outreach with thousands of visitors during the five hour event. Dr Bobby Bus, NASA Infrared Telescope Facility and I represented the University of Hawaiʻi Institute for Astronomy with a meteorite exhibit. Bobbyʻs research in spectroscopic properties of asteroid families and their population distribution complemented my exhibit of complete individual and full slice specimens of over three dozen fall and find locations wonderfully. It was fun to see the many familiar faces of students, teachers, parents, community leaders, colleagues and members of the astronomy community during the event. In addition, it was fulfilling to be able to share with my community, my passion for these rocks from space, and what they provide to the body of knowledge in science (not to mention the wonderful stories many of these stones had to tell). Meteorites are great to find, collect, cherish and admire. But what a lonely existence should they only languish in an unseen private collection. I urge members to share your collections with your respective communities. Its as much fun as finding your own fresh, fully crusted chondrite. Okay I lied, not that much fun, but very fulfilling and who knows? Maybe an opportunity to inspire others to pursue this hobby/obsession/business. http://astroday.net/images/_GalileoBlockParty2.jpg http://www.naoj.org/IYA/Blockparty/ Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com http://astroday.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test... ignore
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
A friend told me this was on the front page of cnn.com this morning. When I checked it wasn't on the front page anymore, but the story is still on the site: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/26/latvia.meteorite/index.html if its on cnn then it must be true. On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Tom Randall (KB2SMS) tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: Fake doesn't even begin to describe this one! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
LOL! AP reports it was a hoax. Captain Obvious must work there! Tom On Oct 26, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Mike Hankey wrote: if its on cnn then it must be true. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:42:49 -0400, you wrote: if its on cnn then it must be true. Nope. http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sci-tech/latvian-meteorite-crater-is-a-hoax_100266012.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] vibrating lap - Yahoo! Search Results
www.dbrockwerks.com/VibeLapInstr.pdf Hello, Matt! and all..I never have tried my polisher dry, I use this method. I am in the process of making a 12 inch square, dry polisher, out of a marble floor tile that I can attach a sheet of silicon carbide wet/dry paper to. My experimental one made out of a clipboard, tygon tubing ring, 4 springs, small vibrating motor (ebay) and lots of rtv, worked good. One draw back, it won't hold anything over a 6 inch slab. Still running in the 4 corners desert! Dennis _ Windows 7: I wanted more reliable, now it's more reliable. Wow! http://microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/default-ga.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:102009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
Right - take a look at the ejecta blanket. With Carancas, large dirt clods were sent flying hundreds of feet from what I'd heard. This crater's rim looks downright tidy, and not a single piece of ejecta looks like it got more than five to ten feet from the edge of the crater. On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:42:49 -0400, you wrote: if its on cnn then it must be true. Nope. http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sci-tech/latvian-meteorite-crater-is-a-hoax_100266012.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite
Apparently there is an underground natural gas fire that has been going on in russia for some time. Its called 'the door to hell'. The pictures on google images look pretty similar to this. http://images.google.com/images?q=the+door+to+helloe=utf-8rls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-aum=1ie=UTF-8ei=MMTlStHxHNOntgfKmcDLCAsa=Xoi=image_result_groupct=titleresnum=4ved=0CCIQsAQwAw On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Melanie Matthews spacewoman2...@hotmail.com wrote: Meteorites don't continue burning after they fall as shown in the Youtube video (unless it fell onto something combustible which doesn't appear to be the case hear) which tells me this is probably a hoax.. But if this is true - could 2009 hold the world record for the number of witnessed falls (not counting showers of course) in one year? Regards --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! From: prairiecac...@rtcol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:08:36 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite http://en.rian.ru/world/20091026/156588612.html Meteorite falls in northern Latvia, no one injured - local media RIGA, October 26 (RIA Novosti) - No one was injured after a meteorite fell near a small town in northern Latvia on Sunday, local Latvian media reported. According to media reports, the meteorite fell near a residential house on the outskirts of Mazsalaca town in the Valmiera district of Latvia, leaving a crater of some 20 meters (66 feet) in diameter and 10 meters (33 feet) deep. A spokesperson for the Latvian State Fire and Rescue Service said that rescuers and soldiers immediately cordoned off the territory, however, it is still not clear whether it was an asteroid or a space satellite. The territory has been immediately cordoned off as we still do not know what fell down from the sky. According to preliminary information, it was a meteorite. However, it is possible that it was a [space] satellite or its fragment. A radioactive contamination is also possible, she said. A witness, who saw the object falling from the sky and leaving a burning trace behind, said it was making a noise similar to the one of an aircraft flying at a low altitude. On March 2 this year, a 35-meter asteroid came within 72,000 kilometers of Earth. The size of the space rock was comparable to the asteroid that caused the Tunguska disaster, but there was no danger of a collision. On June 30, 1908, an explosion equivalent to between 5 and 30 megatons of TNT occurred near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River in a remote region of Russia's Siberia. The Tunguska blast flattened 80 million trees, destroying an area of around 2,150 sq km (830 sq miles). It is assumed that a huge meteorite had hit the area, although research expeditions failed to find an obvious crater. I don't know, that crater video looked kind of fakey to me. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Save up to 84% on Windows 7 until Jan 3—eligible CDN College University students only. Hurry—buy it now for $39.99! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9691635 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
Ha False alarm??? ;-( http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/baltic_news/?doc=4078 Woreczko www.woreczko.pl - Original Message - From: Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com To: Tom Randall (KB2SMS) tommy2...@hvc.rr.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater A friend told me this was on the front page of cnn.com this morning. When I checked it wasn't on the front page anymore, but the story is still on the site: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/26/latvia.meteorite/index.html if its on cnn then it must be true. On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Tom Randall (KB2SMS) tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: Fake doesn't even begin to describe this one! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Informacja programu ESET NOD32 Antivirus, wersja bazy sygnatur wirusow 4543 (20091026) __ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez program ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.pl lub http://www.eset.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
Ha False alarm??? ;-( http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/baltic_news/?doc=4078 Woreczko www.woreczko.pl - Original Message - From: Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com To: Tom Randall (KB2SMS) tommy2...@hvc.rr.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater A friend told me this was on the front page of cnn.com this morning. When I checked it wasn't on the front page anymore, but the story is still on the site: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/26/latvia.meteorite/index.html if its on cnn then it must be true. On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Tom Randall (KB2SMS) tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: Fake doesn't even begin to describe this one! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Informacja programu ESET NOD32 Antivirus, wersja bazy sygnatur wirusow 4543 (20091026) __ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez program ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.pl lub http://www.eset.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite
It looks fake to me too. The sides are too shallow to be created by an impact. It looks more like something created by a blast in soft clay than a shock wave from an impact. If you compare it to other similar craters it doesn't look right (Sikhote-Aline, Carancas). I believe that a hard impactor in a hard target would create a shallower crater but in a soft target it would penetrate deeper and make a steeper crater. Like a bullet striking a bullet proof glass creates a flat wide crater while in water or dirt it travels a long way before it stops. Then we have the fire that is a dead giveaway. :-D Anyhow, it seems to be a massive hoax unless it was blasted. Either it was dug by hand by 50 people in one week or blasted with two tons of fertiliser, some diesel oil and a stick of dynamite. I would guess that this is a pr stunt in the 2012 mass hysteria that is sweeping the planet right now and that it was created by explosives. /Göran Melanie Matthews wrote: Meteorites don't continue burning after they fall as shown in the Youtube video (unless it fell onto something combustible which doesn't appear to be the case hear) which tells me this is probably a hoax.. But if this is true - could 2009 hold the world record for the number of witnessed falls (not counting showers of course) in one year? Regards --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
Another report (in Russian) http://lenta.ru/news/2009/10/26/fake/ Google translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hphl=enjs=yu=http%3A%2F%2Flent a.ru%2Fnews%2F2009%2F10%2F26%2Ffake%2Fsl=rutl=enhistory_state0=swap=1 Sergey -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]on Behalf Of Jason Utas Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:53 PM To: Meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater Right - take a look at the ejecta blanket. With Carancas, large dirt clods were sent flying hundreds of feet from what I'd heard. This crater's rim looks downright tidy, and not a single piece of ejecta looks like it got more than five to ten feet from the edge of the crater. On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:42:49 -0400, you wrote: if its on cnn then it must be true. Nope. http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sci-tech/latvian-meteorite-crater-is-a-h oax_100266012.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD -Special 10-day Auction Due to End
Dear List Members, I just returned from a successful Mohave meteorite hunting trip and looked at my special 10-day auction that has been running while I was gone. I was surprised to see the minimal level of bidding and how low the prices are considering these auctions are due to end tomorrow afternoon. There are 16 items valued at over $10,000.00, all started at just 99 cents. There are some serious specimens loaded including a crusted piece of Calcalong Creek and other nice sized chunks of planetary material! Please take a look if you are interested in some super bargains! All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteori...@yahoo.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite
Hi Göran, just a note - the time for a hoax was perfect, some days ago that video, showing a cool cloud-formation, was widely broadcasted through the Eastern Europe TV-stations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-XljlBRF6Mhl=de So the attention was granted. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Göran Axelsson Gesendet: Montag, 26. Oktober 2009 17:14 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite It looks fake to me too. The sides are too shallow to be created by an impact. It looks more like something created by a blast in soft clay than a shock wave from an impact. If you compare it to other similar craters it doesn't look right (Sikhote-Aline, Carancas). I believe that a hard impactor in a hard target would create a shallower crater but in a soft target it would penetrate deeper and make a steeper crater. Like a bullet striking a bullet proof glass creates a flat wide crater while in water or dirt it travels a long way before it stops. Then we have the fire that is a dead giveaway. :-D Anyhow, it seems to be a massive hoax unless it was blasted. Either it was dug by hand by 50 people in one week or blasted with two tons of fertiliser, some diesel oil and a stick of dynamite. I would guess that this is a pr stunt in the 2012 mass hysteria that is sweeping the planet right now and that it was created by explosives. /Göran Melanie Matthews wrote: Meteorites don't continue burning after they fall as shown in the Youtube video (unless it fell onto something combustible which doesn't appear to be the case hear) which tells me this is probably a hoax.. But if this is true - could 2009 hold the world record for the number of witnessed falls (not counting showers of course) in one year? Regards --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] naval jelly soak gone wrong
Hi All, I have a question if I might please. I had put some small (suspect) irons in naval jelly then neutralized it with baking soda and then removed them and rinsed them. Then I had wire brushed them with a small hand held brush. Several pieces came clean and chrome looking for the most but they still had a couple places where the buildup of corrosion was still there. So I put them back in with some other pieces to soak in the naval jelly some more. When I removed them the second time, I found all three pieces that I had wire brushed once before were now heavily coated all over again. The coating was blue and grey crystals looking. I tried wire brushing that off only to find that now the brushing leaves them looking like they are coated with oxide again. It is like the naval jelly soak worked in reverse. The other pieces that I had thrown in the navel jelly soak with them did not get wire brushed previously and they came out clean. So I learned don't soak them twice but not sure why exactly. Now I'm wondering if someone can tell me what will take the new coating off? Anyone have a similar experience? Mike in CO __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite
Hi, List, This crater shows every sign of being caused by the collapse of soil into an underground void of some kind, natural or artificial. The slope of the walls (~45 degrees), the near-perfect circularity, the total absence of any material beyond the outline of the crater all point to this origin, even the linear slip-slope striations on the walls. No explosive event could have caused what we see in the few photos. My two cents worth, equal to about 0.01 Latvian Lat (LVL) at the current exchange rate. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Göran Axelsson axels...@acc.umu.se To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite It looks fake to me too. The sides are too shallow to be created by an impact. It looks more like something created by a blast in soft clay than a shock wave from an impact. If you compare it to other similar craters it doesn't look right (Sikhote-Aline, Carancas). I believe that a hard impactor in a hard target would create a shallower crater but in a soft target it would penetrate deeper and make a steeper crater. Like a bullet striking a bullet proof glass creates a flat wide crater while in water or dirt it travels a long way before it stops. Then we have the fire that is a dead giveaway. :-D Anyhow, it seems to be a massive hoax unless it was blasted. Either it was dug by hand by 50 people in one week or blasted with two tons of fertiliser, some diesel oil and a stick of dynamite. I would guess that this is a pr stunt in the 2012 mass hysteria that is sweeping the planet right now and that it was created by explosives. /Göran Melanie Matthews wrote: Meteorites don't continue burning after they fall as shown in the Youtube video (unless it fell onto something combustible which doesn't appear to be the case hear) which tells me this is probably a hoax.. But if this is true - could 2009 hold the world record for the number of witnessed falls (not counting showers of course) in one year? Regards --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
That you-tube video looked like someone has been learning from Hollywood disaster films. What a hoot! Linton - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater Right - take a look at the ejecta blanket. With Carancas, large dirt clods were sent flying hundreds of feet from what I'd heard. This crater's rim looks downright tidy, and not a single piece of ejecta looks like it got more than five to ten feet from the edge of the crater. On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:42:49 -0400, you wrote: if its on cnn then it must be true. Nope. http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sci-tech/latvian-meteorite-crater-is-a-hoax_100266012.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
Yeah, kind of like Blair Witch Project meets Deep Impact ;^) gary On Oct 26, 2009, at 8:01 AM, Linton Rohr wrote: That you-tube video looked like someone has been learning from Hollywood disaster films. What a hoot! Linton - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater Right - take a look at the ejecta blanket. With Carancas, large dirt clods were sent flying hundreds of feet from what I'd heard. This crater's rim looks downright tidy, and not a single piece of ejecta looks like it got more than five to ten feet from the edge of the crater. On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:42:49 -0400, you wrote: if its on cnn then it must be true. Nope. http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sci-tech/latvian-meteorite-crater-is-a-hoax_100266012.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com http://astroday.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite
Melanie and others- I agree that is is probably a hoax. The video is almost creepy like from a sci-fi or horror film. I have to wonder if they celebrate Halloween in Lativia and this is a prank. Mike On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Melanie Matthews spacewoman2...@hotmail.com wrote: Meteorites don't continue burning after they fall as shown in the Youtube video (unless it fell onto something combustible which doesn't appear to be the case hear) which tells me this is probably a hoax.. But if this is true - could 2009 hold the world record for the number of witnessed falls (not counting showers of course) in one year? Regards --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
All: What is the Largest Fall known, and what was the size of the crater made? Greg S. _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:102009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tele2 admits meteorite things inscenejuma!
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.diena.lv%2Flat%2Fpolitics%2Fhot%2Ftele2-atzistas-meteorita-lietas-inscenejumasl=lvtl=enhl=enie=UTF-8 Okay, the translation leaves a bit to be desired... __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tele2 admits meteorite things inscenejuma!
716ce5lmeduc7dqq5hu08gsd78mi4oi...@4ax.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 http://translate.google.com/translate?u=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.diena.lv%2Flat%2= Fpolitics%2Fhot%2Ftele2-atzistas-meteorita-lietas-inscenejumasl=3Dlvtl=3D= enhl=3Denie=3DUTF-8 And they charged an entrance fee to view the crater - fantastic Greg S. From: cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon=2C 26 Oct 2009 16:45:00 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Tele2 admits meteorite things inscenejuma! http://translate.google.com/translate?u=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.diena.lv%2Flat= %2Fpolitics%2Fhot%2Ftele2-atzistas-meteorita-lietas-inscenejumasl=3Dlvtl= =3Denhl=3Denie=3DUTF-8 Okay=2C the translation leaves a bit to be desired... __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list =20 _ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pc-scout/default.aspx?CBID=3Dwlocid=3DPID= 24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_pcscout:102009= __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
Yo, Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter. Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin. Carancas' crater measures in at 13m. I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas, but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: All: What is the Largest Fall known, and what was the size of the crater made? Greg S. _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:102009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
Finally: [http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hphl=enjs=yu=http%3A%2F%2Flen ta.ru%2Fnews%2F2009%2F10%2F26%2Fconfess%2Fsl=entl=ruhistory_state0=] Russian: http://lenta.ru/news/2009/10/26/confess/ Regards, Sergey __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 26, 2009
Hello Michael, and Rob, Very interesting pic o' the day, guys. Thanks, Michael, for bringing these images to our collective attention. And congrats to you, Rob, on acquiring such a unique and desirable item. But one word of warning its glowing like its radioactive, so maybe you better be careful with it ( or just send it to me for safe keeping. ;-) Thanks again, guys. Sincerely, Robert Woolard --- On Mon, 10/26/09, rocksfromsp...@yahoo.com rocksfromsp...@yahoo.com wrote: From: rocksfromsp...@yahoo.com rocksfromsp...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 26, 2009 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 8:26 AM http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_26_2009.html --- Thumbed On My BlackBerry __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Latvian impact?
Hi all - Damn, and here I am hoping this one turned out to be a nice hit, as I could use some sales right now. Why can't M'si Manito see his way clear to let one of these hit in a vacant field outside of New York City, or Los Angeles, or DC, instead of the Andes of South America, or over an Indonesia island, or in a Lativian field? One nice 50 kiloton airburst over Chicago, and I'd be all set for Tucson. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
Hi Listees, Meteorite Collectors, Scientists, Meteorite Junkies, Addicts All Meteorite Enthusiasts, A long while ago I discussed an idea for a central meteorite website with some community members about the creation of a central hub of meteorite knowledge and information database in which everyone could participate and contribute through a community of like minded individuals. This of course would be for the furtherance of the science and hobby of meteoritics, meteorite collecting, meteorite hunting, and the meteorite industry as a whole. A website that would provide an active and evolving database of encyclopedic meteorite knowledge and information for the hobbiest, scientist and even more so for the curious, as they are the new meteorite enthusiasts and possible future meteoriticists. As the world learns more about meteorites, asteroids, comets, and the universe in relation to meteorites what better way to grow this knowledge base than through the first and only meteorite related wiki. For those of you who are unfamiliar with what a wiki is, it's an online collaborative effort to compile information in a community type environment. Introducing The Meteorite Wiki: www.meteoritewiki.com The Meteorite Wiki runs on the same software that runs the world famous and beloved Wikipedia.org website, and is robust and feature rich enough to provide the perfect venue to compile the worlds meteorite information into one easy and convenient online database. Mission Statement: To compile knowledge and share the enjoyment of meteorite science hobby through an open community wiki in which everyone interested can participate contribute to the growth of the knowledge of meteorites. Enjoy... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA P.S. Those interested in contributing or who would like more information, you're welcome to respond to this thread publicly on-list or privately via email. If you belong to a university or educational institution we would love to have you contibute your articles, papers, photos, video or other media to the inclusion in the Meteorite Wiki. We have also reserved the most important website domain name as well for the expansion of the Meteorite Wiki experiment, meteoritewiki.org. This is to create a non-profit organization for the site should it be a successful endeavor. For now though it will be under the .com extension. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
Right, but I don't believe that Campo del Cielo is noted as a witnessed fall. If we're going to start listing every crater associated with meteorite fragments, we're going to get a much longer list. The only accepted witnessed falls that have led to the formation of legitimate craters are Carancas and Sikhote Alin. Another list member suggested Sterlitamak; I still believe that, according to the description of the impact features found: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P - That this is an impact pit, not a crater. Note the description of sheer walls, etc. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net wrote: Rubin de Celis crater of the Campo del Cielo strewn field is a real crater - 0.04 km dia with a raised rim. - see Passc Website. Ted Bunch On 10/26/09 1:48 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote: Yo, Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter. Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin. Carancas' crater measures in at 13m. I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas, but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: All: What is the Largest Fall known, and what was the size of the crater made? Greg S. _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMT AGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:102009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
Rubin de Celis crater of the Campo del Cielo strewn field is a real crater - 0.04 km dia with a raised rim. - see Passc Website. Ted Bunch On 10/26/09 1:48 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote: Yo, Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter. Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin. Carancas' crater measures in at 13m. I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas, but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: All: What is the Largest Fall known, and what was the size of the crater made? Greg S. _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMT AGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:102009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
I did some research on Sterlitamak, Russia for a presentation I gave to the Colorado Scientific Society in late 2008 on Non-Terminal Meteorite Impacts: The Case for Studying Small Cratering Events. Here is a summary of what I dug up on Sterlitamak: -Formed a crater 30 ft wide by 18 ft deep -Rays of ejecta extended 100 ft from crater -Blocks of soil and bedrock lined crater walls, 20 in dia. thrown 300 ft. -Impact breccias at crater floor to depth of 26 ft. -Impact velocity 2-3 km/sec -Impactor approx .9 m in dia and weighed 2-3 tons -Equiv to 1.5-2 tons TNT Sounds like a crater to me. I do believe it had an overturned flap of debris at the rim as well. Matt -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:12:22 To: Ted Bunchtbe...@cableone.net; Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite Right, but I don't believe that Campo del Cielo is noted as a witnessed fall. If we're going to start listing every crater associated with meteorite fragments, we're going to get a much longer list. The only accepted witnessed falls that have led to the formation of legitimate craters are Carancas and Sikhote Alin. Another list member suggested Sterlitamak; I still believe that, according to the description of the impact features found: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P - That this is an impact pit, not a crater. Note the description of sheer walls, etc. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net wrote: Rubin de Celis crater of the Campo del Cielo strewn field is a real crater - 0.04 km dia with a raised rim. - see Passc Website. Ted Bunch On 10/26/09 1:48 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote: Yo, Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter. Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin. Carancas' crater measures in at 13m. I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas, but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: All: What is the Largest Fall known, and what was the size of the crater made? Greg S. _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMT AGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:102009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
Right - the report I cited noted a mass about half that weight (1-1.5 tons) and vertical walls; I could be wrong, but I thought that the determinant had to do with upended strata. If anyone here has the criteria for what determines a crater versus an impact pit, I'd be much obliged - if there is indeed a clear-cut definition. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Matt Morgan m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I did some research on Sterlitamak, Russia for a presentation I gave to the Colorado Scientific Society in late 2008 on Non-Terminal Meteorite Impacts: The Case for Studying Small Cratering Events. Here is a summary of what I dug up on Sterlitamak: -Formed a crater 30 ft wide by 18 ft deep -Rays of ejecta extended 100 ft from crater -Blocks of soil and bedrock lined crater walls, 20 in dia. thrown 300 ft. -Impact breccias at crater floor to depth of 26 ft. -Impact velocity 2-3 km/sec -Impactor approx .9 m in dia and weighed 2-3 tons -Equiv to 1.5-2 tons TNT Sounds like a crater to me. I do believe it had an overturned flap of debris at the rim as well. Matt -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:12:22 To: Ted Bunchtbe...@cableone.net; Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite Right, but I don't believe that Campo del Cielo is noted as a witnessed fall. If we're going to start listing every crater associated with meteorite fragments, we're going to get a much longer list. The only accepted witnessed falls that have led to the formation of legitimate craters are Carancas and Sikhote Alin. Another list member suggested Sterlitamak; I still believe that, according to the description of the impact features found: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P - That this is an impact pit, not a crater. Note the description of sheer walls, etc. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net wrote: Rubin de Celis crater of the Campo del Cielo strewn field is a real crater - 0.04 km dia with a raised rim. - see Passc Website. Ted Bunch On 10/26/09 1:48 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote: Yo, Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter. Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin. Carancas' crater measures in at 13m. I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas, but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: All: What is the Largest Fall known, and what was the size of the crater made? Greg S. _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMT AGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:102009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson Show GPS Poi File [WAS: Tucson Meteorite Auction Catalog now up - call for entries]
Micheal's post about the meteorite auction apparently jogged a few memories, and I got some private emails about my POI file. For those using GPS units in their cars to navigate around Tucson during the shows come February, I have created a file that can be loaded into your unit and get turn by turn directions to the various locations. Included in this file is the location of the Meteorite Auction. The file can be found on the excellent website POI Factory here: http://www.poi-factory.com/node/24678 What this file is: A file that has the locations, names and addresses and in some cases contact phone numbers for the 42 Tucson shows of 2010. It is intended to be loaded into GPS navigation units to provide turn-by-turn directions to whatever show you would like to attend. While it is supposed to be loaded into a GPS unit, it can also be opened in Google Earth. What it is not: It is not a file that is intended to be opened with any other programs, though if you want to read through the mark up language, you can open it in any text editor and figure out names, addresses, etc. pretty easily. It is not intended to printed and be used as a aid to navigate around Tucson using paper maps. It is not intended to be a shortcut to using a websites like Google maps to input addresses and obtain directions. It is not intended to be a replacement for the multitude of show guides that are available for free just about everywhere around town. See you all in Tucson come February and drive safe. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Latvian Impact?
Is there somebody in Chicago you don't like? :) Carl E.P.Grondine wrote: ...One nice 50 kiloton airburst over Chicago, and I'd be all set for Tucson. _ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pc-scout/default.aspx?CBID=wlocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_pcscout:102009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
According to the AGI Glossary of Geology (4th ed)... An approximately circular or polygonal depression in the surface of a planetary object, having a diameter that may range from a few cm to hundreds of km and a depth that is small relative to its diameter. This definition seems pretty loose to me. Perhaps it should have a raised rim (although if deeply weathered it may no longer exist) and be the result of a hypervelocity impact (not a bomb explosion). What about impact breccias? Matt -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:41:35 To: Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite Right - the report I cited noted a mass about half that weight (1-1.5 tons) and vertical walls; I could be wrong, but I thought that the determinant had to do with upended strata. If anyone here has the criteria for what determines a crater versus an impact pit, I'd be much obliged - if there is indeed a clear-cut definition. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Matt Morgan m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I did some research on Sterlitamak, Russia for a presentation I gave to the Colorado Scientific Society in late 2008 on Non-Terminal Meteorite Impacts: The Case for Studying Small Cratering Events. Here is a summary of what I dug up on Sterlitamak: -Formed a crater 30 ft wide by 18 ft deep -Rays of ejecta extended 100 ft from crater -Blocks of soil and bedrock lined crater walls, 20 in dia. thrown 300 ft. -Impact breccias at crater floor to depth of 26 ft. -Impact velocity 2-3 km/sec -Impactor approx .9 m in dia and weighed 2-3 tons -Equiv to 1.5-2 tons TNT Sounds like a crater to me. I do believe it had an overturned flap of debris at the rim as well. Matt -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:12:22 To: Ted Bunchtbe...@cableone.net; Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite Right, but I don't believe that Campo del Cielo is noted as a witnessed fall. If we're going to start listing every crater associated with meteorite fragments, we're going to get a much longer list. The only accepted witnessed falls that have led to the formation of legitimate craters are Carancas and Sikhote Alin. Another list member suggested Sterlitamak; I still believe that, according to the description of the impact features found: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P - That this is an impact pit, not a crater. Note the description of sheer walls, etc. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net wrote: Rubin de Celis crater of the Campo del Cielo strewn field is a real crater - 0.04 km dia with a raised rim. - see Passc Website. Ted Bunch On 10/26/09 1:48 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote: Yo, Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter. Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin. Carancas' crater measures in at 13m. I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas, but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: All: What is the Largest Fall known, and what was the size of the crater made? Greg S. _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMT AGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:102009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __
[meteorite-list] Tucson Show trivia FYI
I just returned from a drive to downtown Tucson, and I noted that the former Innsuites on Granada, where many of the meteorite dealers have sales rooms, and the ballroom contains the big fossil show, is now called: Hotel Tucson City Center (in huge letters on sign) and Innsuites Boutique is in smaller letters at bottom of sign I go downtown frequently, and this was a surprise to me today. Twink Monrad __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show trivia FYI
Thanks Twink. I had noticed this a week or two ago but I have not changed the entry for the Arizona Mineral Fossil Show (A) (The actual name of the show there). I think for the most part people know it as the Innsuites, and my guess is the smaller name now on the sign won't change any time soon so I'll add that in the next update of my poi file. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Mon, 10/26/09, Larry Twink Monrad larrytwinkmon...@comcast.net wrote: From: Larry Twink Monrad larrytwinkmon...@comcast.net Subject: Tucson Show trivia FYI To: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 3:56 PM I just returned from a drive to downtown Tucson, and I noted that the former Innsuites on Granada, where many of the meteorite dealers have sales rooms, and the ballroom contains the big fossil show, is now called: Hotel Tucson City Center (in huge letters on sign) and Innsuites Boutique is in smaller letters at bottom of sign I go downtown frequently, and this was a surprise to me today. Twink Monrad __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
Wabar may well be a witnessed fall. It also produced a 13-m crater. jeff Jason Utas wrote: Right, but I don't believe that Campo del Cielo is noted as a witnessed fall. If we're going to start listing every crater associated with meteorite fragments, we're going to get a much longer list. The only accepted witnessed falls that have led to the formation of legitimate craters are Carancas and Sikhote Alin. Another list member suggested Sterlitamak; I still believe that, according to the description of the impact features found: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P - That this is an impact pit, not a crater. Note the description of sheer walls, etc. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net wrote: Rubin de Celis crater of the Campo del Cielo strewn field is a real crater - 0.04 km dia with a raised rim. - see Passc Website. Ted Bunch On 10/26/09 1:48 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote: Yo, Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter. Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin. Carancas' crater measures in at 13m. I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas, but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: All: What is the Largest Fall known, and what was the size of the crater made? Greg S. _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMT AGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:102009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] collection databases?
Hi, folks - After a brief 3-year hiatus from the list, I have a question - What database/software programs do collectors use and recommend for meteorite collections? I had purchased a database program some years ago, I think it was called MetCollector, but a few computer-upgrades later, I somehow lost the program and I'm not finding it online any more, unless I'm just not looking in the right place. I currently have all my collection info saved in Excel format, so do I have complete records but it's not very cool - it would be nice to have something which allowed for individual photographs of specimens, perhaps preinstalled info on common stones, etc, more bells and whistles than just bare-bones-Excel-record-keeping can offer. As far as shareware, I've played around with the products at www.primasoft.com and it looks like one could end up with a meteorite-friendly database, but it might take more customizing-work than lazy-me might be willing to expend. Thoughts? Gregory |___ |___| :O||O: I===I ||__|| __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Galileo Block Party in Hilo
Hi Gary, All, Funny you should write this. I will be doing a talk on meteorites at my son's boy scout troop tonight. I wont have much time as other parents will also be talking about their hobbies. I'm bringing my little Lunar, Martian, Angrite, Allende, Murchison, Weston, Carancas, AlH76009 and other chrondrites. Also some larger irons, pallasite, meso and my little KT Boundary material. I plan to give away some uNWA slices/individuals and irons. My sons thinks I'll put everyone to sleep but I figure these freebies will keep them on their toes. A little bribe wont hurt. Thanks to Chicago Steve for his freebies and generous donation/deals from Johnny Humphries and other collectors I have gotten stuff from in the past. Wish me luck. Carl Gary Fujihara wrote: I'd like to share some information about a great outreach event that took place over the weekend. As a feature of the International Year of Astronomy, the Galileo Block Party was held on astronomy row in the University Park of Science and Technology on the campus of the University of Hawai?i at Hilo (UHH) on the Big Island of Hawai?i. Most of the observatories on Mauna Kea, UHH Physics and Astronomy Dept, and amateur astronomy groups participated by engaging in interactive outreach with thousands of visitors during the five hour event... ...Meteorites are great to find, collect, cherish and admire. But what a lonely existence should they only languish in an unseen private collection. I urge members to share your collections with your respective communities. Its as much fun as finding your own fresh, fully crusted chondrite. Okay I lied, not that much fun, but very fulfilling and who knows? Maybe an opportunity to inspire others to pursue this hobby/obsession/business. _ Windows 7: Simplify your PC. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen1:102009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts?
Hi all, The disclaimer: My main purpose for posting this is because I know very little about achondrite meteorites. This is because (as a general rule) I only collect what I find, and though I've found lots of meteorites this is my first achondrite find. As most already know this find is currently being classified by Laurence Garvie at ASU. However, while we wait for the official classification I thought it would be fun and enlightening to show the section and see if the guesses change from before. It would be great to hear from some of the great minds on this forum - Ted Bunch, the Hupe's, etc.. - but any ones guess is welcome and interesting to me. According to the (4) meteoriticists that have seen the thin section - it is NOT a pallasite or chondrite. However, no one can definitively ID this meteorite instead they gave a few guesses - primitive achondrite like. This thin section was pictured with a home made cross polarized light set-up I made. It’s not the best but I hope it's good enough to give an idea. Look here: http://www.mr-meteorite.net/rubengarciasmeteorite.htm Meteorite picutres as found/cut and polished http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm -- Ruben Garcia (Mr-Meteorite) Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts?
Ruben: I say a metal-rich Diogenite. An absolutely beautiful piece. Greg S. Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:02:55 -0700 From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts? Hi all, The disclaimer: My main purpose for posting this is because I know very little about achondrite meteorites. This is because (as a general rule) I only collect what I find, and though I've found lots of meteorites this is my first achondrite find. As most already know this find is currently being classified by Laurence Garvie at ASU. However, while we wait for the official classification I thought it would be fun and enlightening to show the section and see if the guesses change from before. It would be great to hear from some of the great minds on this forum - Ted Bunch, the Hupe's, etc.. - but any ones guess is welcome and interesting to me. According to the (4) meteoriticists that have seen the thin section - it is NOT a pallasite or chondrite. However, no one can definitively ID this meteorite instead they gave a few guesses - primitive achondrite like. This thin section was pictured with a home made cross polarized light set-up I made. It’s not the best but I hope it's good enough to give an idea. Look here: http://www.mr-meteorite.net/rubengarciasmeteorite.htm Meteorite picutres as found/cut and polished http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm -- Ruben Garcia (Mr-Meteorite) Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:102009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Shiva
Hi all - http://www.economist.com/sciencetechnology/displayStory.cfm?story_id=14698363 Crikey, a double whammy. Perhaps Keller will shut up now, and whoever funded her will be fired. One has to wonder why neither the USGS nor NASA managed to locate this one. If anyone has any answer, do let us know. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson GPS file
Hi Richard - But does your GPS database include the No-tell Motel? For what Inn Suites was charging the dealers, it strikes me that they could come out ahead getting together and buying that one and using it for the show. Ed __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bernard Vajdl
Please contact me off list... Thanks, Dave Gheesling IMCA #5967 www.fallingrocks.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] More pics up on Flickr
Hello All, About a month ago, I started uploading a few new photos on Flickr - some hunting photos and shots of some irons, etc. I'm finally done - not because I'm out of photos, but because Flickr imposes a 200 photo limit on free accounts. It's full! www.flickr.com/cameteoritefinder - newer ones at the end of the meteorite set. If you have any questions about any of the photos or meteorites, please don't hesitate to ask - I skimped on a lot of the information that I would otherwise have liked to have added due to a lack of available time over here. Regards, Jason __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
I know this doesn't answer the original question, but the thread seems to have morphed into the largest witnessed cratering event. Kaali is not officially witnessed, but it certainly could have been. The Kaali group of craters, on the Estonian island of Saaremaa, are estimated to be only 4000 (+/- 1000) years old. The largest is about 110 meters in diameter and about 22 meters deep. Some iron fragments (Kaalijarv, IAB main group) were found associated with the craters. A link follows: http://www.7is7.com/otto/estonia/kaali.html Cheers, Frank From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:00:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite Wabar may well be a witnessed fall. It also produced a 13-m crater. jeff Jason Utas wrote: Right, but I don't believe that Campo del Cielo is noted as a witnessed fall. If we're going to start listing every crater associated with meteorite fragments, we're going to get a much longer list. The only accepted witnessed falls that have led to the formation of legitimate craters are Carancas and Sikhote Alin. Another list member suggested Sterlitamak; I still believe that, according to the description of the impact features found: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P - That this is an impact pit, not a crater. Note the description of sheer walls, etc. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net wrote: Rubin de Celis crater of the Campo del Cielo strewn field is a real crater - 0.04 km dia with a raised rim. - see Passc Website. Ted Bunch On 10/26/09 1:48 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote: Yo, Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter. Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin. Carancas' crater measures in at 13m. I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas, but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: All: What is the Largest Fall known, and what was the size of the crater made? Greg S. _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMT AGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:102009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shiva
Ed, As you might suspect, the unlikely-shaped, proposed, giant Indian impact crater still has not cleared peer review. If you can demonstrate the Princeton group's chronostratigraphic studies are unreasonable, I bet Rich Lane at hl...@nsf.gov would rather you just fired him an email. What does the USGS have to do with this? Do you mean the GSI? Best wishes -Original Message- From: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:07 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Shiva Hi all - http://www.economist.com/sciencetechnology/displayStory.cfm?story_id=14698363 Crikey, a double whammy. Perhaps Keller will shut up now, and whoever funded her will be fired. One has to wonder why neither the USGS nor NASA managed to locate this one. If anyone has any answer, do let us know. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
If the criteria includes probably witnessed falls... then wouldn't the winner be Canyon Diablo at 1200m diameter and 215m depth from the rim? Odessa is estimated at 210m diameter and 110m depth. I mention Odessa as it is speculated that either fall may have occured as recently as 25,000 years ago. Especially in the case of Odessa. It's pretty much settled science that we had man in these areas at 30,000 years ago. The date of existence of early man in the Western hemisphere continues to be problematical, but I remember when we thought it certain no earlier than 12,000 years ago. Count Deiro -Original Message- From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Sent: Oct 26, 2009 9:15 PM To: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov, Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite I know this doesn't answer the original question, but the thread seems to have morphed into the largest witnessed cratering event. Kaali is not officially witnessed, but it certainly could have been. The Kaali group of craters, on the Estonian island of Saaremaa, are estimated to be only 4000 (+/- 1000) years old. The largest is about 110 meters in diameter and about 22 meters deep. Some iron fragments (Kaalijarv, IAB main group) were found associated with the craters. A link follows: http://www.7is7.com/otto/estonia/kaali.html Cheers, Frank From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:00:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite Wabar may well be a witnessed fall. It also produced a 13-m crater. jeff Jason Utas wrote: Right, but I don't believe that Campo del Cielo is noted as a witnessed fall. If we're going to start listing every crater associated with meteorite fragments, we're going to get a much longer list. The only accepted witnessed falls that have led to the formation of legitimate craters are Carancas and Sikhote Alin. Another list member suggested Sterlitamak; I still believe that, according to the description of the impact features found: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P - That this is an impact pit, not a crater. Note the description of sheer walls, etc. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net wrote: Rubin de Celis crater of the Campo del Cielo strewn field is a real crater - 0.04 km dia with a raised rim. - see Passc Website. Ted Bunch On 10/26/09 1:48 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote: Yo, Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter. Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin. Carancas' crater measures in at 13m. I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas, but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: All: What is the Largest Fall known, and what was the size of the crater made? Greg S. _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMT AGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:102009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
OSL dates of the Odessa crater impact breccias put it at 63 ka (Holliday et al, 2005). Matt Matt -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: countde...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:59:16 To: Frank Cressyfcre...@prodigy.net; Jeff Grossmanjgross...@usgs.gov; Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite If the criteria includes probably witnessed falls... then wouldn't the winner be Canyon Diablo at 1200m diameter and 215m depth from the rim? Odessa is estimated at 210m diameter and 110m depth. I mention Odessa as it is speculated that either fall may have occured as recently as 25,000 years ago. Especially in the case of Odessa. It's pretty much settled science that we had man in these areas at 30,000 years ago. The date of existence of early man in the Western hemisphere continues to be problematical, but I remember when we thought it certain no earlier than 12,000 years ago. Count Deiro -Original Message- From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Sent: Oct 26, 2009 9:15 PM To: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov, Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite I know this doesn't answer the original question, but the thread seems to have morphed into the largest witnessed cratering event. Kaali is not officially witnessed, but it certainly could have been. The Kaali group of craters, on the Estonian island of Saaremaa, are estimated to be only 4000 (+/- 1000) years old. The largest is about 110 meters in diameter and about 22 meters deep. Some iron fragments (Kaalijarv, IAB main group) were found associated with the craters. A link follows: http://www.7is7.com/otto/estonia/kaali.html Cheers, Frank From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:00:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite Wabar may well be a witnessed fall. It also produced a 13-m crater. jeff Jason Utas wrote: Right, but I don't believe that Campo del Cielo is noted as a witnessed fall. If we're going to start listing every crater associated with meteorite fragments, we're going to get a much longer list. The only accepted witnessed falls that have led to the formation of legitimate craters are Carancas and Sikhote Alin. Another list member suggested Sterlitamak; I still believe that, according to the description of the impact features found: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P - That this is an impact pit, not a crater. Note the description of sheer walls, etc. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net wrote: Rubin de Celis crater of the Campo del Cielo strewn field is a real crater - 0.04 km dia with a raised rim. - see Passc Website. Ted Bunch On 10/26/09 1:48 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote: Yo, Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter. Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin. Carancas' crater measures in at 13m. I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas, but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically. Regards, Jason On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: All: What is the Largest Fall known, and what was the size of the crater made? Greg S. _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMT AGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:102009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
