[meteorite-list] Manchester Museum (UK) Visit, Article and Images

[matt]

Last week members of the British and Irish Meteorite Society (BIMS, 
http://www.bimsociety.org ) visited the Manchester Museum.


I've written an article about the visit including lots of images and information 
on the history, people and specimens involved. You can view the article directly 
at http://www.bimsociety.org/article-manchester.shtml


Enjoy!

Matt.
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Re: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" Season Finale Tonight

[MeteorHntr]

Darryl and all,

Thanks for being so kind in helping us out at this  year's show in 
compiling footage of what happens at the Tucson show.That thanks goes out 
to all 
our other friends who were also willing to jump in  front of the camera to 
help us make our show a lot better. 
 
It was exciting to see footage shot less than 3 weeks ago make it into  
tonight's episode.  We got quite a bit of footage in Tucson that  includes a 
lot of our friends.  If "Meteorite Men" gets a second season,  more of this 
captured footage including more of our friends, customers  and fellow hunters 
will be able to be featured.  
 
We feel there is so much more of the meteorite hunting and collecting world 
 to show everyone, we just hope the viewers and the suits at the network 
feel the  same way. 

Steve Arnold
of "Meteorite Men"






In a  message dated 2/24/2010 7:33:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
dar...@dof3.com  writes:


I just saw this note.  Made me smile.   ;-)

This is seemingly becoming a pattern:  I hang around and people  take  
shots.   ;-)

I just hope the meteorite I  purchased looks good---because it's  
gorgeous!!

Have  fun!



On Feb 24, 2010, at 7:17 PM, Notkin wrote:

>  Yikes!
>
> I forgot to mention that our good friend Darryl Pitt is  expected to  
> make a cameo appearance in tonight's episode. I  haven't seen the  
> final cut so I don't know for sure, but that's  the rumor  : )
>
> Thanks for being such a good sport when we  were filming, Darryl. I  
> know you were busy that day and kindly  hung around so we could get  
> the shot.
>
> Anyway, I  have a party to go to  : )
>
>
> Best to  all,
>
> Geoff N.
>
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[meteorite-list] U.S. falls that show up on Doppler radar

[Matson, Robert D.]

I just remembered that Monahans (3/22/1998) is another one of the other
falls that I found that shows up on radar (KMAF).  Once I'm home, I'll
figure out what the others are...  --Rob

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Fries,
Marc D (3225)
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-STUDYING METEORITE FALLS USING. DOPPLER WEATHER RADAR

Howdy

   I'm glad y'all are enjoying the abstract.  I've been looking forward
to that one, and I'm actually working on the poster to go with it as I
sit here.  I'll add another one to Rob's list - Portales Valley shows up
in data from multiple radars, although they are all at extended range
and short on detail.
   I'm glad to see the run-down of y'all's contributions to this stuff
as well.  Rob didn't mention it but he's the one who first noticed the
Park Forest radar detection, and I'm glad to see this sort of "stone
soup" effort overall.  The more meteorites we can get in out of the
rain, the better.

Cheers,
Marc Fries
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Re: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" Season Finale Tonight

[dave carothers]

Good show, Guys.

Dave

- Original Message - 
From: "Notkin" 

To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" Season Finale Tonight



Yikes!

I forgot to mention that our good friend Darryl Pitt is expected to  make 
a cameo appearance in tonight's episode. I haven't seen the final  cut so 
I don't know for sure, but that's the rumor  : )


Thanks for being such a good sport when we were filming, Darryl. I  know 
you were busy that day and kindly hung around so we could get the  shot.


Anyway, I have a party to go to  : )


Best to all,

Geoff N.

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Re: [meteorite-list] PARTLY CLOUDY WITH A CHANCE OF CHONDRITES -STUDYING METEORITE FALLS USING. DOPPLER WEATHER RADAR

[Fries, Marc D (3225)]

Howdy

   I'm glad y'all are enjoying the abstract.  I've been looking forward to
that one, and I'm actually working on the poster to go with it as I sit
here.  I'll add another one to Rob's list - Portales Valley shows up in data
from multiple radars, although they are all at extended range and short on
detail.
   I'm glad to see the run-down of y'all's contributions to this stuff as
well.  Rob didn't mention it but he's the one who first noticed the Park
Forest radar detection, and I'm glad to see this sort of "stone soup" effort
overall.  The more meteorites we can get in out of the rain, the better.

Cheers,
Marc Fries


On 2/24/10 5:21 PM, "Matson, Robert D."  wrote:

> Hi Robert,
> 
>> It seems certain that the use of radar in future falls (and perhaps
>> old ones as well?? ) will continue to prove useful.
> 
> Yes, indeed -- a very powerful new tool in our meteorite-chasing toolbox.
> In just one year, Doppler radar has led to (or augmented) the successful
> recovery of two falls:  Ash Creek and Grimsby.  While not all recovered
> U.S. falls in the last 15 years have produced clear Doppler returns,
> quite a few have, including:
> 
> Lorton, VA - 1/18/2010
> Grimsby, Ontario, Canada - 9/25/2009
> Ash Creek, TX - 2/15/2009
> Park Forest, IL - 3/27/2003
> Elbert, CO - 1/11/1998
> 
> (There are at least 2 or 3 others, but my notes are at home for them.)
> 
> --Rob
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Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas

[Sterling K. Webb]

Dave Gheesling posted a link to this paper
back on February 3, 2010:
http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/pdfs/Carancas.pdf


Sterling K. Webb
--
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Silveus" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas



Online here:

http://digitalcommons.library.arizona.edu/objectviewer?o=uadc%3A%2F%2Fazu_maps%2FVolume44%2FNumber12%2Fa780-173c-497c-8d80-e5a514bdaca3

I was mistaken in the last post the above is much more detailed.

Mike

Darren Garrison wrote:

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:31:58 +, you wrote:



Hi All,

Any chance that someone has a copy of this article that they can let 
me see?




If anyone has it but doesn't want their names attached to giving it 
away for
free, I lack such compunctions.  Send it to me and I'll make it 
available for

everyone who wants it.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 24, 2010

[Darryl Pitt]

Hi Herbert,

Hoping all is well and thanks for the note.

Most of the following has previously been stated:

---Yes, I forwarded specimens for the collection of cosmic exposure  
data (more than a month ago);
---My understanding is that as a result of Lovina's earthly  
experiences including its possible origination from a far larger mass,  
it's conceivable a constrained cosmic exposure history may exist.  Any  
such data would be superseded by Lovina matching the compositional  
fingerprint for an iron meteorite---which is conclusive in the opinion  
of numerous experts;
---A couple of friends privately suggested that Shirokovsky's  
pseudometeorite status was confirmed by cosmogenic radionuclide data.   
This is not entirely accurate.  Apart from a superficial look, almost  
everything about Shirokovsky was problematic...and its cosmic history  
helped seal the deal.  Shirokovksky's composition was highly  
problematic and Lovina passed this smell test;
---Tim McCoy acceded to both Wasson's data and conclusions and  
expressed to Wasson, "If you are comfortable moving this forward as a  
meteorite, I have no data to firmly refute the suggestion."



Hoping I've been helpful.  Good night everyone!

Darryl





On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Herbert Raab wrote:



Any chance of getting some data on cosmogenic radionuclides in Lovina?
I guess that would settle the question about the cosmic origin once  
and for all.


Cheers,
 Herbert


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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 24, 2010

[Darryl Pitt]

Hi Herbert,

Hoping all is well and thanks for the note.

Most of the following has previously been stated:

---Yes, I forwarded specimens for the collection of cosmic exposure  
data (more than a month ago);
---My understanding is that as a result of Lovina's earthly  
experiences including its possible origination from a far larger mass,  
it's conceivable a constrained cosmic exposure history may exist.  Any  
such data would be superseded by Lovina matching the compositional  
fingerprint for an iron meteorite---which is conclusive in the opinion  
of numerous experts;
---A couple of friends privately suggested that Shirokovsky's  
pseudometeorite status was confirmed by cosmogenic radionuclide data.   
This is not entirely accurate. Apart from a superficial look, almost  
everything about Shirokovsky was problematic...and its cosmic history  
helped seal the deal.  Shirokovksky's composition was highly  
problematic and Lovina passed this smell test;
---Tim McCoy acceded to both Wasson's data and conclusions and  
expressed to Wasson, "If you are comfortable moving this forward as a  
meteorite, I have no data to firmly refute the suggestion."



Hoping I've been helpful.  Good night everyone!

Darryl





On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Herbert Raab wrote:



Any chance of getting some data on cosmogenic radionuclides in Lovina?
I guess that would settle the question about the cosmic origin once  
and for all.


Cheers,
Herbert


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Re: [meteorite-list] PARTLY CLOUDY WITH A CHANCE OF CHONDRITES -STUDYING METEORITE FALLS USING. DOPPLER WEATHER RADAR

[Matson, Robert D.]

Hi Robert,

> It seems certain that the use of radar in future falls (and perhaps
> old ones as well?? ) will continue to prove useful.

Yes, indeed -- a very powerful new tool in our meteorite-chasing toolbox.
In just one year, Doppler radar has led to (or augmented) the successful
recovery of two falls:  Ash Creek and Grimsby.  While not all recovered
U.S. falls in the last 15 years have produced clear Doppler returns,
quite a few have, including:

Lorton, VA - 1/18/2010
Grimsby, Ontario, Canada - 9/25/2009
Ash Creek, TX - 2/15/2009
Park Forest, IL - 3/27/2003
Elbert, CO - 1/11/1998

(There are at least 2 or 3 others, but my notes are at home for them.)

--Rob
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Re: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" Season Finale Tonight

[Darryl Pitt]

I just saw this note.  Made me smile.  ;-)

This is seemingly becoming a pattern:  I hang around and people take  
shots.   ;-)


I just hope the meteorite I purchased looks good---because it's  
gorgeous!!


Have fun!



On Feb 24, 2010, at 7:17 PM, Notkin wrote:


Yikes!

I forgot to mention that our good friend Darryl Pitt is expected to  
make a cameo appearance in tonight's episode. I haven't seen the  
final cut so I don't know for sure, but that's the rumor  : )


Thanks for being such a good sport when we were filming, Darryl. I  
know you were busy that day and kindly hung around so we could get  
the shot.


Anyway, I have a party to go to  : )


Best to all,

Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
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www.meteoriteblog.org
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Re: [meteorite-list] La Grange Pics

[Dave Myers]

LOL!

Our basement band, played that song back in the day! 

And now, looking at meteorites never made the connection!

lol! Dave

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Galactic Stone & Ironworks  wrote:

> From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] La Grange Pics
> To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" 
> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 3:36 PM
> A rare video of LaGrange -
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnMFOeEPUks
> 
> ;)
> 
> On 2/24/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum 
> wrote:
> > Matt:
> >
> > Here are some La Grange pics from Buchwald's Iron
> Meteorites.
> >
> >
> > http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/012.jpg
> > http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z.jpg
> > http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z1.jpg
> > http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z2.jpg
> > http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z3.jpg
> > http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z4.jpg
> >
> > Phil Whitmer
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[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - February 24, 2010

[Ron Baalke]

MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
February 24, 2010

o DTM: Channels from Hale Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/dtm/dtm.php?ID=PSP_005609_1470

o A Field of Secondary Craters
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_002281_2115

o Central Deposits in Pasteur Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_001756_1995

o Slope Streaks in Acheron Fossae
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_001656_2175

o Oudemans Crater Central Uplift: A Sample of Well-Preserved Layering
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_001602_1700

o Candidate Landing Site in NE Syrtis Major
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_016219_1980

All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

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Re: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" Season Finale Tonight

[Notkin]

Yikes!

I forgot to mention that our good friend Darryl Pitt is expected to  
make a cameo appearance in tonight's episode. I haven't seen the final  
cut so I don't know for sure, but that's the rumor  : )


Thanks for being such a good sport when we were filming, Darryl. I  
know you were busy that day and kindly hung around so we could get the  
shot.


Anyway, I have a party to go to  : )


Best to all,

Geoff N.

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Re: [meteorite-list] PARTLY CLOUDY WITH A CHANCE OF CHONDRITES - STUDYING METEORITE FALLS USING. DOPPLER WEATHER RADAR

[Robert Woolard]

Hello Shawn, List,

  Thanks so much for posting the link. Very interesting, and timely.

  And I do enjoy the pun. In fact, I used a variant of this one for the title 
of an article that we were fortunate enough to have published in the May 2009 
issue of Meteorite magazine.  ( " Radar Report:  ThunderSTONES Near West, Texas 
" ).  Here is a partial excerpt from the article:

 " … there was also another very important bit of data that to the authors’ 
knowledge, was made available to the public for the first time ever.  
Astounding weather radar images portrayed the swarm of stones in flight!  Just 
as these devices are able to peer inside clouds to detect the possible presence 
of hailstones, the radars had imaged the “cloud of meteorites” falling through 
the air.  A sort of “strewn-sky”, if you will." 

  To me, the use of the radar info in helping to pinpoint the fall area added a 
whole other layer of interest to this very special fall. One year ago now. In a 
way, it all seems like yesterday.

  Thanks again, Shawn, for sharing the article. It seems certain that the use 
of radar in future falls  ( and perhaps old ones as well?? ) will continue to 
prove useful.

  Sincerely,
  Robert Woolard


--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Shawn Alan  wrote:

> From: Shawn Alan 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] PARTLY CLOUDY WITH A CHANCE OF CHONDRITES - 
> STUDYING METEORITE FALLS USING. DOPPLER WEATHER RADAR
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 4:25 PM
> Hello Listers,
> 
> I found this article last night that would go great with
> the Meteorite Men's' season one final episode tonight on how
> Doppler radar was used to locate the West, Texas fall zone.
> 
> 
>                
>                
> Abstract
> We present Doppler weather radar as a new method for
> locating meteorite falls. This locates meteorites within a
> few km of the ground, provides some characterization in
> flight, and functions for new falls and archived events back
> to 1992.
> 
> http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2010/pdf/1179.pdf
> 
> Shawn Alan 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks]

Hi Piper and List,

That was my first thought as well.  And the authors of the paper took
it into account and they specifically addressed it :

"The high altitude of the area might have played a role in the outcome
of this event, but not a crucial one.  Even if the Carancas meteorite
had continued to sea level, it still would have produced a significant
crater."

An Figure is then provided (Fig. 11) that plots the speed of a falling
body as a function of the altitude over the ground.  It plots two
bodies of different masses and drag coefficients. (p 1980)

They concluded that altitude did not play a significant factor.

So it leaves us to wonder, why did the Carancas body behave
differently from what one would expect from a stony chondrite?  How
did it survive as a coherent mass until impact, given it's
pre-atmospheric mass, composition, entry speed, and angle of descent?

Those are questions that the paper left unanswered.

Best regards,

MikeG

On 2/24/10, Piper R.W. Hollier  wrote:
> Hi Jerry, Mike, and list,
>
> At 00:01 25-02-10, MikeG wrote:
>
>> Yes, a very interesting paper.  According to the authors, Carancas was
>> a true "hyper velocity impact", and the crater is not an explosion
>> crater or penetration pit.  Which begs the question - why did the
>> Carancas impactor behave differently than other stony impactors?
>
>
> If you mean "why was this a hypervelocity impact, when most others are not,"
> the answer can probably be found in the altitude of Carancas. According to a
> posting by Mike Farmer on 5 October 2007:
>
> The three of us who went to Peru GPS'd the Carancas
>
> meteorite crater, and all three came up with the same
>
> altitude, 3,792 meters. It should now be the highest
>
> meteorite found.
>
> This is ~11,900 feet.
>
> I know it was a tad difficult to breath up there.
>
> Michael Farmer
>
> At and above that altitude, the air is much less dense than it is closer to
> sea level. Not only does the impactor decelerate less than it otherwise
> would, but it is also subject to less deceleration force that might
> otherwise cause it to break up.
>
> Best wishes to all,
>
> Piper
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Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas

[Michael Silveus]

Online here:

http://digitalcommons.library.arizona.edu/objectviewer?o=uadc%3A%2F%2Fazu_maps%2FVolume44%2FNumber12%2Fa780-173c-497c-8d80-e5a514bdaca3

I was mistaken in the last post the above is much more detailed.

Mike

Darren Garrison wrote:

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:31:58 +, you wrote:

  

Hi All,

Any chance that someone has a copy of this article that they can let me see?



If anyone has it but doesn't want their names attached to giving it away for
free, I lack such compunctions.  Send it to me and I'll make it available for
everyone who wants it.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas

[Michael Silveus]

There is an entry here:

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=45817

click on the Writeup from _MB 93: 
_


Not the same as what you are asking for but probably a lot is the same.

Mike

Darren Garrison wrote:

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:31:58 +, you wrote:

  

Hi All,

Any chance that someone has a copy of this article that they can let me see?



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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February24, 2010

[Herbert Raab]

Any chance of getting some data on cosmogenic radionuclides in Lovina?
I guess that would settle the question about the cosmic origin once and for all.

Cheers,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas

[Darren Garrison]

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:31:58 +, you wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>Any chance that someone has a copy of this article that they can let me see?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas

[ensoramanda]

Hi All,

Any chance that someone has a copy of this article that they can let me see?

Cheers,

Graham E, UK

 Jerry Flaherty  wrote: 
> The Journal of the Meteoritical Societyl, December 2009, Vol. 44, #12 has a 
> very thorough write up of the Carancas Event of Sept. 2007
> for those who have access to it.
> Jerry Flaherty 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks]

Hi Jerry,

Yes, a very interesting paper.  According to the authors, Carancas was
a true "hyper velocity impact", and the crater is not an explosion
crater or penetration pit.  Which begs the question - why did the
Carancas impactor behave differently than other stony impactors?

Best regards,

MikeG


On 2/24/10, Jerry Flaherty  wrote:
> The Journal of the Meteoritical Societyl, December 2009, Vol. 44, #12 has a
> very thorough write up of the Carancas Event of Sept. 2007
> for those who have access to it.
> Jerry Flaherty
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[meteorite-list] Carancas

[Jerry Flaherty]

The Journal of the Meteoritical Societyl, December 2009, Vol. 44, #12 has a 
very thorough write up of the Carancas Event of Sept. 2007

for those who have access to it.
Jerry Flaherty 


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[meteorite-list] PARTLY CLOUDY WITH A CHANCE OF CHONDRITES - STUDYING METEORITE FALLS USING. DOPPLER WEATHER RADAR

[Shawn Alan]

Hello Listers,

I found this article last night that would go great with the Meteorite Men's' 
season one final episode tonight on how Doppler radar was used to locate the 
West, Texas fall zone. 

Abstract
We present Doppler weather radar as a new method for locating meteorite falls. 
This locates meteorites within a few km of the ground, provides some 
characterization in flight, and functions for new falls and archived events 
back to 1992.

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2010/pdf/1179.pdf

Shawn Alan 
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Re: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" Season Finale Tonight

[fallingfusion]

Here In S.E. WI (Time Warner)... reruns begin next Wednesday (March 3rd), 
starting with the "Buzzard Coulee" episode.

Ryan

 ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: 
> Hi Geoff,
> 
> Looking at the listings for Quest it states "New Series" next to the pilot 
> show...so hoping that the rest will be shown too...will find out when next 
> weeks listings appear.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham E, UK.
> 
>  Notkin  wrote: 
> > Dear Listees:
> > 
> > Viewers in the US might like to know that the Season One finale of  
> > "Meteorite Men" will air tonight on Science Channel at 9 pm Eastern &  
> > Pacific; 7 pm in Arizona. Please check local listing for details.  
> > Repeats will continue on Wednesday at the same time, and additional  
> > showtimes can be found here:
> > 
> > http://science.discovery.com/tv/meteorite-men
> > 
> > Our guest stars in this evening's episode include Mr. Meteorite  
> > himself -- Ruben Garcia -- and his fabulous meteorite dog, Hopper;  
> > world renowned meteorite specialist Dr. Alan Rubin of UCLA; Marc Fries  
> > of  the National Weather Service in Oxnard explaining how Doppler  
> > radar was used to locate the West, Texas fall zone; and M-List members  
> > Suzanne and LIsa Marie Morrison. Oh, and Steve manages to zoom off to  
> > Virginia to investigate the recent fall there. It's quite the action- 
> > packed episode and I hope you enjoy it.
> > 
> > Also, viewers in the UK, please check QUEST (Freeview Channel 38)  
> > which is evidently airing the "Meteorite Men" pilot. Three old school  
> > friends emailed me from England yesterday saying: "We just saw you on  
> > the telly"  : )  That's all I know, sorry.
> > 
> > And before anyone asks:
> > 
> > - No, we do not have other international air dates yet, but we hope we  
> > will soon or one day
> > 
> > - No, we do not have a date for DVD release yet, but we hope we will  
> > soon or one day
> > 
> > I only know what they tell me  : )
> > 
> > And for our friends in and around Tucson, just a reminder that the  
> > final "MM" screening party, for this season, will take place at Sky  
> > Bar Tucson tonight: 6 pm cocktails; 7 pm screening:
> > 
> > http://meteoritemen.com/events/meteorite-men-premiere.htm
> > 
> > 
> > And finally, for now, it was GREAT to see so many of you here for the  
> > 2010 Tucson gem show. I hope you had as much fun as I did, and also I  
> > hope you got more sleep that I did. Only 48 weeks 'til Tucson 2011.
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers from the Old Pueblo,
> > 
> > Geoff N.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 24, 2010 Question

[Darryl Pitt]

Hi Shawn, List

I'm hardly an expert and I feel especially uncomfortable being a stand- 
in while true experts lurk, but as your inquiry was addressed to me,  
I'll do my best.


I should restate at the outset, the compositional fingerprint of an  
iron meteorite is highly specific, and it was on this basis that John  
Wasson reaffirmed Lovina's certification.  It should also be noted  
that Tim McCoy, who posed fascinating questions concerning Lovina, has  
acceded to Wasson's data and interpretation.


Now, I hope you don't mind if I respond by thread


On Feb 24, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Shawn Alan wrote:


Darryl and List,

Thank you for the post you made about the weathering and oxidation  
features of the Lovina's meteorite. I have been reading all the  
posts and been looking over all the great images that have been  
posted about this unique features present on the surface of the  
Lovina meteorite and I have some questions.


It seems to me and stated from others that the meteorite was  
discovered to be in salt water for many century's and the textural  
surface is caused by terrestrialized oxidization which this process  
is also prevalent with inside the specimen from the holes where  
nodules were before. Now at what point does this process make a  
meteorites' free iron oxidized to a point when it has became  
terrestrialized?


I am unqualified to answer this question.

 From the image that Michael Johnson posted from Rock from Space  
picture of the day,  http://www.rocksfromspace.org/LOVINA_METEORITE.html
it is prevalent that oxidization has taken place. Also, it is stated  
from the write up from Michael Johnson post that, "Lovina's stature  
as one of the most exotic meteorites is reconfirmed. An ataxite,  
Lovina contains the fourth highest nickel percentage of all  
meteorites and is the only meteorite known to feature ziggurat  
(stepped pyramidal) structures---the result of immersion in the  
tropical shallows of Bali for untold centuries."


Now from my understanding, Ataxite iron meteorites structural bands  
disappear and the meteorite becomes structureless when nickel is 13  
percent or higher within the a iron meteorite. However, when viewing  
the high nickel Lovina's slice cut image, one might observe the  
surface is litters with structure, almost resembling widmanstatten  
structure. Now is this structure the cause of oxidization within the  
meteorite? If so wouldnt the meteorite be terrestrailized to the  
point that these unique features are nothing more then destruction  
to a meteorite?


We are certainly bearing witness to the "destruction" of the  
meteorite, but of a very specific meteorite---one with tetrataenite  
and a latticework of iron sulfide inclusions---two features which are  
unusual in and of themselves.  Phrased another way, it is my  
understanding that if you threw a Gibeon or most any other iron  
meteorite into the same waters and poked around several hundred years  
hence, you would not find the object now before us.  A lot of  
serendipity was at work in the (de)formation of Lovina.


Why  I ask is because a lot of NWA meteorite fragments are tossed  
aside or neglected for the fact that these specimens have no  
significance importance because they have became terrestrailized  
from oxidization. Many institutions don't even touch NWA meteorites  
these days. But why would this oxidization feature make  "Lovina's  
stature as one of the most exotic meteorites." ? But on the other  
hand, this physical feature could help scientist to identiy other  
meteorites underwater and could bring new discoveries to science.


Morphologically, Lovina is matchless and therefore necessarily a  
member of the exotic meteorite club; two museums have thus far reached  
out to me based on this morphological singularity.  Also keep in mind  
that Lovina is an ungrouped iron, every one of which, by definition,  
are pretty darn exotic.



Hoping this was remotely helpful.   ;-)


Sincerely,

Darryl




[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 24,  
2010

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Dear List and Mike, Adam, Carl...

The voids remarked upon are not vesicles but an artifact of
weathering. The depressions seen are the end points where by water
penetrated the meteorite and you just aren't able to see the entry
point (which were the crevasses between the ziggurat structures).

For vug lovers--and I count myself among you!: Lovina does indeed
contain a blanketing of tiny vugs, which are fun to have but are
actuality only fully oxidized iron sulfide pockets. Remember, Lovina
was in saltwater for centuries, if not lon

Re: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" Season Finale Tonight

[ensoramanda]

Hi Geoff,

Looking at the listings for Quest it states "New Series" next to the pilot 
show...so hoping that the rest will be shown too...will find out when next 
weeks listings appear.

Cheers,

Graham E, UK.

 Notkin  wrote: 
> Dear Listees:
> 
> Viewers in the US might like to know that the Season One finale of  
> "Meteorite Men" will air tonight on Science Channel at 9 pm Eastern &  
> Pacific; 7 pm in Arizona. Please check local listing for details.  
> Repeats will continue on Wednesday at the same time, and additional  
> showtimes can be found here:
> 
> http://science.discovery.com/tv/meteorite-men
> 
> Our guest stars in this evening's episode include Mr. Meteorite  
> himself -- Ruben Garcia -- and his fabulous meteorite dog, Hopper;  
> world renowned meteorite specialist Dr. Alan Rubin of UCLA; Marc Fries  
> of  the National Weather Service in Oxnard explaining how Doppler  
> radar was used to locate the West, Texas fall zone; and M-List members  
> Suzanne and LIsa Marie Morrison. Oh, and Steve manages to zoom off to  
> Virginia to investigate the recent fall there. It's quite the action- 
> packed episode and I hope you enjoy it.
> 
> Also, viewers in the UK, please check QUEST (Freeview Channel 38)  
> which is evidently airing the "Meteorite Men" pilot. Three old school  
> friends emailed me from England yesterday saying: "We just saw you on  
> the telly"  : )  That's all I know, sorry.
> 
> And before anyone asks:
> 
> - No, we do not have other international air dates yet, but we hope we  
> will soon or one day
> 
> - No, we do not have a date for DVD release yet, but we hope we will  
> soon or one day
> 
> I only know what they tell me  : )
> 
> And for our friends in and around Tucson, just a reminder that the  
> final "MM" screening party, for this season, will take place at Sky  
> Bar Tucson tonight: 6 pm cocktails; 7 pm screening:
> 
> http://meteoritemen.com/events/meteorite-men-premiere.htm
> 
> 
> And finally, for now, it was GREAT to see so many of you here for the  
> 2010 Tucson gem show. I hope you had as much fun as I did, and also I  
> hope you got more sleep that I did. Only 48 weeks 'til Tucson 2011.
> 
> 
> Cheers from the Old Pueblo,
> 
> Geoff N.
> 
> www.aerolite.org
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Re: [meteorite-list] La Grange Pics

[Greg Stanley]

Ol La Grange TX.  I used to go there all the time to hunt petrified wood and 
palm.  I found pieces so big I could barely carry them.  My roommate (years 
ago) had relatives living there.  I remember a roadside chicken joint that had 
the best hamburgers ever.  There were some towns nearby where Tektites had been 
found - I never found any though.

Greg S.


> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:36:10 -0500
> From: meteoritem...@gmail.com
> To: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com
> CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] La Grange Pics
>
> A rare video of LaGrange -
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnMFOeEPUks
>
> ;)
>
> On 2/24/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum  wrote:
>> Matt:
>>
>> Here are some La Grange pics from Buchwald's Iron Meteorites.
>>
>>
>> http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/012.jpg
>> http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z.jpg
>> http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z1.jpg
>> http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z2.jpg
>> http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z3.jpg
>> http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z4.jpg
>>
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[meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" Season Finale Tonight

[Notkin]

Dear Listees:

Viewers in the US might like to know that the Season One finale of  
"Meteorite Men" will air tonight on Science Channel at 9 pm Eastern &  
Pacific; 7 pm in Arizona. Please check local listing for details.  
Repeats will continue on Wednesday at the same time, and additional  
showtimes can be found here:


http://science.discovery.com/tv/meteorite-men

Our guest stars in this evening's episode include Mr. Meteorite  
himself -- Ruben Garcia -- and his fabulous meteorite dog, Hopper;  
world renowned meteorite specialist Dr. Alan Rubin of UCLA; Marc Fries  
of  the National Weather Service in Oxnard explaining how Doppler  
radar was used to locate the West, Texas fall zone; and M-List members  
Suzanne and LIsa Marie Morrison. Oh, and Steve manages to zoom off to  
Virginia to investigate the recent fall there. It's quite the action- 
packed episode and I hope you enjoy it.


Also, viewers in the UK, please check QUEST (Freeview Channel 38)  
which is evidently airing the "Meteorite Men" pilot. Three old school  
friends emailed me from England yesterday saying: "We just saw you on  
the telly"  : )  That's all I know, sorry.


And before anyone asks:

- No, we do not have other international air dates yet, but we hope we  
will soon or one day


- No, we do not have a date for DVD release yet, but we hope we will  
soon or one day


I only know what they tell me  : )

And for our friends in and around Tucson, just a reminder that the  
final "MM" screening party, for this season, will take place at Sky  
Bar Tucson tonight: 6 pm cocktails; 7 pm screening:


http://meteoritemen.com/events/meteorite-men-premiere.htm


And finally, for now, it was GREAT to see so many of you here for the  
2010 Tucson gem show. I hope you had as much fun as I did, and also I  
hope you got more sleep that I did. Only 48 weeks 'til Tucson 2011.



Cheers from the Old Pueblo,

Geoff N.

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[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 24, 2010 Question

[Shawn Alan]

Darryl and List,
 
Thank you for the post you made about the weathering and oxidation features of 
the Lovina's meteorite. I have been reading all the posts and been looking over 
all the great images that have been posted about this unique features present 
on the surface of the Lovina meteorite and I have some questions. 
 
It seems to me and stated from others that the meteorite was discovered to be 
in salt water for many century's and the textural surface is 
caused by terrestrialized oxidization which this process is also prevalent with 
inside the specimen from the holes where nodules were before. Now at what point 
does this process make a meteorites' free iron oxidized to a point when it has 
became terrestrialized? 
 
>From the image that Michael Johnson posted from Rock from Space picture of the 
>day,  http://www.rocksfromspace.org/LOVINA_METEORITE.html 
it is prevalent that oxidization has taken place. Also, it is stated from the 
write up from Michael Johnson post that, "Lovina's stature as one of the most 
exotic meteorites is reconfirmed. An ataxite, Lovina contains the fourth 
highest nickel percentage of all meteorites and is the only meteorite known to 
feature ziggurat (stepped pyramidal) structures---the result of immersion in 
the tropical shallows of Bali for untold centuries."

 
Now from my understanding, Ataxite iron meteorites structural bands disappear 
and the meteorite becomes structureless when nickel is 13 percent or higher 
within the a iron meteorite. However, when viewing the high nickel Lovina's 
slice cut image, one might observe the surface is litters with structure, 
almost resembling widmanstatten structure. Now is this structure the cause of 
oxidization within the meteorite? If so wouldnt the meteorite be 
terrestrailized to the point that these unique features are nothing more then 
destruction to a meteorite?
 
Why  I ask is because a lot of NWA meteorite fragments are tossed aside or 
neglected for the fact that these specimens have no significance 
importance because they have became terrestrailized from oxidization. Many 
institutions don't even touch NWA meteorites these days. But why would 
this oxidization feature make  "Lovina's stature as one of the most exotic 
meteorites." ? But on the other hand, this physical feature could help 
scientist to identiy other meteorites underwater and could bring new 
discoveries to science. 
 
Shawn Alan
 
 
 
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 24, 2010
Darryl Pitt darryl at dof3.com 
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Dear List and Mike, Adam, Carl... 

The voids remarked upon are not vesicles but an artifact of 
weathering. The depressions seen are the end points where by water 
penetrated the meteorite and you just aren't able to see the entry 
point (which were the crevasses between the ziggurat structures). 

For vug lovers--and I count myself among you!: Lovina does indeed 
contain a blanketing of tiny vugs, which are fun to have but are 
actuality only fully oxidized iron sulfide pockets. Remember, Lovina 
was in saltwater for centuries, if not longer. If you enlarge and 
scan the image of the cut surface, you can see where the sulfide 
remains in the matrix and where it oxidized out. 

As expressed by J. Wasson, the compositional fingerprint (the 
meteorite's DNA, if you will) is the incontrovertible smoking gun. 


All best / Darryl 






On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: 


> Very interesting, what are voids (vesicles) doing in an iron 

> meteorite? I have only heard of sparse vugs found in one iron 

> before and thought vesicles would most certainly disqualify an 

> object from being an iron meteorite. Has cosmic ray exposure 

> testing been done? It would be interesting to see how long this 

> object has been in space. 

> 

> Best Regards, 

> 

> Adam 



On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: 


> HI Adam and List, 

> 

> This is a fascinating specimen. Surely it represents a 

> previously-unknown parent body. 

> 

> While the presence of vugs/vesicles suggests the specimen was not 

> formed in a vacuum, maybe there was some gases present during the 

> formation. 

> 

> For example, suppose a large comet slammed into a predominately-iron 

> asteroid. Comets contain large volumes of material that can 

> sublimate, and maybe during the collision, some of this gaseous 

> material injected into the iron body. The heat and/or shock resulting 

> from the collision provided inroads for the cometary material by 

> expanding existing fissures or faults. Then the intermingled material 

> rapidly cooled, forming the vesicles we see

[meteorite-list] Lovina / Not Crystals

[Darryl Pitt]

Hi Folks,

One last word here

While it is tempting to refer to the ziggurat structures atop Lovina  
as crystals, they are not.  (I was corrected when I made this error.)   
These geometric forms are the result of a subtractive weathering  
process on an organized matrix of troilte, a geometry aided by the  
presence of tetrataenite.


Changing subjects but not entirely, I just wrote a pal something I  
would like to share:  while it shouldn't really be this way, it's more  
fun and so much simpler having a common chondrite that hit a car.;-)



All the best to everyone / Darryl
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Re: [meteorite-list] Free Gemjars and Specimen containers - first responder only

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks]

The gemjars are taken.

On 2/24/10, Galactic Stone & Ironworks  wrote:
> Hi Folks!
>
> I have an accumulation of used gemjars that I have no use for, but I
> don't want to throw them away.
>
> These gemjars have label/tape residue and marker writing on them.  I
> don't really have the time or inclination to clean the residue and
> writing off of them, so I'd like to give them away to someone who can
> use them.
>
> The first person to respond to this message will receive the gemjars
> with no obligation.  I will pay shipping to anywhere in the world.
>
> Some of the jars are small (1-inch), some are large (1.25").  Some
> have white foam, some have black foam.  A few of them are the square
> type of containers you don't see too often.  There about a dozen of
> them.
>
> For the record (to other dealers) - it's best (IMO) to put a small
> paper label inside the gemjar, under the foam, facing outwards through
> the bottom of the gemjar.  This way the specimen can be easily
> identified by flipping over the jar and the container can easily be
> re-used by the buyer for other specimens.  Maybe I am just nit-picky,
> but I hate it when I receive a gem jar that is taped closed and has a
> sticky-label or permanent marker writing on the bottom - it renders
> the jar difficult to reuse for other specimens without spending a fair
> amount of time cleaning the residue/writing off.  Also, the good
> quality gemjars have tight fitting lids and don't need to be taped
> closed.  If the lid won't stay on without tape, then it's a subpar
> gemjar or the specimen is too big for that container.  If you just
> stick a paper label under the foam, the buyer can easily remove it and
> recycle the gemjar.
>
> As an added bonus, I will include a couple of free meteorite
> micromount specimens - not common ones, but some rare types.
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
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[meteorite-list] Free Gemjars and Specimen containers - first responder only

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks]

Hi Folks!

I have an accumulation of used gemjars that I have no use for, but I
don't want to throw them away.

These gemjars have label/tape residue and marker writing on them.  I
don't really have the time or inclination to clean the residue and
writing off of them, so I'd like to give them away to someone who can
use them.

The first person to respond to this message will receive the gemjars
with no obligation.  I will pay shipping to anywhere in the world.

Some of the jars are small (1-inch), some are large (1.25").  Some
have white foam, some have black foam.  A few of them are the square
type of containers you don't see too often.  There about a dozen of
them.

For the record (to other dealers) - it's best (IMO) to put a small
paper label inside the gemjar, under the foam, facing outwards through
the bottom of the gemjar.  This way the specimen can be easily
identified by flipping over the jar and the container can easily be
re-used by the buyer for other specimens.  Maybe I am just nit-picky,
but I hate it when I receive a gem jar that is taped closed and has a
sticky-label or permanent marker writing on the bottom - it renders
the jar difficult to reuse for other specimens without spending a fair
amount of time cleaning the residue/writing off.  Also, the good
quality gemjars have tight fitting lids and don't need to be taped
closed.  If the lid won't stay on without tape, then it's a subpar
gemjar or the specimen is too big for that container.  If you just
stick a paper label under the foam, the buyer can easily remove it and
recycle the gemjar.

As an added bonus, I will include a couple of free meteorite
micromount specimens - not common ones, but some rare types.

Best regards,

MikeG


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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 24, 2010

[James Balister]

Very interesting !  It seems the picture of meteorites are always changing, as 
of the last few years!
- Original Message 
> From: "cdtuc...@cox.net" 
> To: Adam ; Adam Hupe 
> 
> Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 11:48:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 
> 24, 2010
> 
> Adam,
Interestingly, Albion Iron meteorite also has vugs up to 9MM and was 
> classified by Wasson as well. see 
> link;

http://www.meteorlab.com/METEORLAB2001dev/albtxt3.htm

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 Adam Hupe <> ymailto="mailto:raremeteori...@yahoo.com"; 
> href="mailto:raremeteori...@yahoo.com";>raremeteori...@yahoo.com> wrote: 
> 
> Very interesting, what are voids (vesicles) doing in an iron 
> meteorite?  I have only heard of sparse vugs found in one iron before and 
> thought vesicles would most certainly disqualify an object from being an iron 
> meteorite.  Has cosmic ray exposure testing been done?  It would be 
> interesting to see how long this object has been in space.
> 
> Best 
> Regards,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
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> from Space Picture of the Day - February 24, 2010
> 
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> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/LOVINA_METEORITE.html
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[meteorite-list] Fund raising meteorite sale

[Greg Catterton]

Hey, hope everyone is having a great day.

I am needing to raise funds to secure the building for the museum, I am 
currently about $1500 short of the amount needed for the lease.
I have some really nice material listed on ebay for sale, at great prices.
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Several ultra rare meteorites with museum provenance/labels are available.
Samples include:
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also, 149g Howardite for less then $15 per gram with free express shipping.

As always, I can offer better prices on sales completed off ebay.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February24, 2010

[Darryl Pitt]

Norbert is exactly correct.  I regret I neglected to mention this in  
the pic of the day description.  The tiny vugs have been previously  
described on a couple of occasions and to do so again seemed  
superfluous.  Apologies.


d,



On Feb 24, 2010, at 1:06 PM, Norbert Classen wrote:


Hi Adam, Greg, and All,

I'm no expert when it comes to iron meteorites, but could these  
"voids"
represent troilite nodules or other phases which have been weathered  
out of
the specimen by the same forces that created the ziggurat  
structures? Just
think of the exterior parts of Mundrabilla and its "voids" and  
"vugs" which

are also weathered out troilite nodules and no primary features...

Just my two cents,
Norbert

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-

HI Adam and List,

This is a fascinating specimen.  Surely it represents a previously- 
unknown

parent body.

While the presence of vugs/vesicles suggests the specimen was not  
formed in

a vacuum, maybe there was some gases present during the formation.

For example, suppose a large comet slammed into a predominately-iron
asteroid.  Comets contain large volumes of material that can  
sublimate, and
maybe during the collision, some of this gaseous material injected  
into the
iron body.  The heat and/or shock resulting from the collision  
provided
inroads for the cometary material by expanding existing fissures or  
faults.
Then the intermingled material rapidly cooled, forming the vesicles  
we see

now.  The massive shock and/or heating would also wipe out the native
widmanstatten pattern present in the iron body, leaving behind an
ataxite-like mass without the typical crystallization  
patterns..???


Then this curious mass fell to Earth and experienced weathering/ 
alteration

to provide the strange external appearance we see now.

Or, to play devil's advocate, perhaps this is a very atypical type of
industrial slag unlike any seen before.   Is there any industry
present in the area where this mass was found?

Best regards,

MikeG

On 2/24/10, Adam Hupe  wrote:

Very interesting, what are voids (vesicles) doing in an iron
meteorite?  I have only heard of sparse vugs found in one iron before
and thought vesicles would most certainly disqualify an object from
being an iron meteorite.  Has cosmic ray exposure testing been done?
It would be interesting to see how long this object has been in  
space.


Best Regards,

Adam

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From: Michael Johnson 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 8:17:14 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -
February 24, 2010

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/LOVINA_METEORITE.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 24, 2010

[Darryl Pitt]

Dear List and Mike, Adam, Carl...

The voids remarked upon are not vesicles but an artifact of  
weathering.  The depressions seen are the end points where by water  
penetrated the meteorite and you just aren't able to see the entry  
point (which were the crevasses between the ziggurat structures).


For vug lovers--and I count myself among you!:  Lovina does indeed  
contain a blanketing of tiny vugs, which are fun to have but are  
actuality only fully oxidized iron sulfide pockets.  Remember, Lovina  
was in saltwater for centuries, if not longer.  If you enlarge and  
scan the image of the cut surface, you can see where the sulfide  
remains in the matrix and where it oxidized out.


As expressed by J. Wasson, the compositional fingerprint (the  
meteorite's DNA, if you will) is the incontrovertible smoking gun.



All best / Darryl






On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Adam Hupe wrote:

Very interesting, what are voids (vesicles) doing in an iron  
meteorite?  I have only heard of sparse vugs found in one iron  
before and thought vesicles would most certainly disqualify an  
object from being an iron meteorite.  Has cosmic ray exposure  
testing been done?  It would be interesting to see how long this  
object has been in space.


Best Regards,

Adam



On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote:


HI Adam and List,

This is a fascinating specimen.  Surely it represents a
previously-unknown parent body.

While the presence of vugs/vesicles suggests the specimen was not
formed in a vacuum, maybe there was some gases present during the
formation.

For example, suppose a large comet slammed into a predominately-iron
asteroid.  Comets contain large volumes of material that can
sublimate, and maybe during the collision, some of this gaseous
material injected into the iron body.  The heat and/or shock resulting
from the collision provided inroads for the cometary material by
expanding existing fissures or faults.  Then the intermingled material
rapidly cooled, forming the vesicles we see now.  The massive shock
and/or heating would also wipe out the native widmanstatten pattern
present in the iron body, leaving behind an ataxite-like mass without
the typical crystallization patterns..???

Then this curious mass fell to Earth and experienced
weathering/alteration to provide the strange external appearance we
see now.

Or, to play devil's advocate, perhaps this is a very atypical type of
industrial slag unlike any seen before.   Is there any industry
present in the area where this mass was found?

Best regards,

MikeG






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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February24, 2010

[Norbert Classen]

Hi Adam, Greg, and All,

I'm no expert when it comes to iron meteorites, but could these "voids"
represent troilite nodules or other phases which have been weathered out of
the specimen by the same forces that created the ziggurat structures? Just
think of the exterior parts of Mundrabilla and its "voids" and "vugs" which
are also weathered out troilite nodules and no primary features...

Just my two cents,
Norbert

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-

HI Adam and List,

This is a fascinating specimen.  Surely it represents a previously-unknown
parent body.

While the presence of vugs/vesicles suggests the specimen was not formed in
a vacuum, maybe there was some gases present during the formation.

For example, suppose a large comet slammed into a predominately-iron
asteroid.  Comets contain large volumes of material that can sublimate, and
maybe during the collision, some of this gaseous material injected into the
iron body.  The heat and/or shock resulting from the collision provided
inroads for the cometary material by expanding existing fissures or faults.
Then the intermingled material rapidly cooled, forming the vesicles we see
now.  The massive shock and/or heating would also wipe out the native
widmanstatten pattern present in the iron body, leaving behind an
ataxite-like mass without the typical crystallization patterns..???

Then this curious mass fell to Earth and experienced weathering/alteration
to provide the strange external appearance we see now.

Or, to play devil's advocate, perhaps this is a very atypical type of
industrial slag unlike any seen before.   Is there any industry
present in the area where this mass was found?

Best regards,

MikeG

On 2/24/10, Adam Hupe  wrote:
> Very interesting, what are voids (vesicles) doing in an iron 
> meteorite?  I have only heard of sparse vugs found in one iron before 
> and thought vesicles would most certainly disqualify an object from 
> being an iron meteorite.  Has cosmic ray exposure testing been done?  
> It would be interesting to see how long this object has been in space.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Adam
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Michael Johnson 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 8:17:14 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - 
> February 24, 2010
>
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/LOVINA_METEORITE.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 24, 2010

[cdtucson]

Adam,
Interestingly, Albion Iron meteorite also has vugs up to 9MM and was classified 
by Wasson as well. see link;

http://www.meteorlab.com/METEORLAB2001dev/albtxt3.htm

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 Adam Hupe  wrote: 
> Very interesting, what are voids (vesicles) doing in an iron meteorite?  I 
> have only heard of sparse vugs found in one iron before and thought vesicles 
> would most certainly disqualify an object from being an iron meteorite.  Has 
> cosmic ray exposure testing been done?  It would be interesting to see how 
> long this object has been in space.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Michael Johnson 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 8:17:14 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 24, 
> 2010
> 
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/LOVINA_METEORITE.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 24, 2010

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks]

HI Adam and List,

This is a fascinating specimen.  Surely it represents a
previously-unknown parent body.

While the presence of vugs/vesicles suggests the specimen was not
formed in a vacuum, maybe there was some gases present during the
formation.

For example, suppose a large comet slammed into a predominately-iron
asteroid.  Comets contain large volumes of material that can
sublimate, and maybe during the collision, some of this gaseous
material injected into the iron body.  The heat and/or shock resulting
from the collision provided inroads for the cometary material by
expanding existing fissures or faults.  Then the intermingled material
rapidly cooled, forming the vesicles we see now.  The massive shock
and/or heating would also wipe out the native widmanstatten pattern
present in the iron body, leaving behind an ataxite-like mass without
the typical crystallization patterns..???

Then this curious mass fell to Earth and experienced
weathering/alteration to provide the strange external appearance we
see now.

Or, to play devil's advocate, perhaps this is a very atypical type of
industrial slag unlike any seen before.   Is there any industry
present in the area where this mass was found?

Best regards,

MikeG




On 2/24/10, Adam Hupe  wrote:
> Very interesting, what are voids (vesicles) doing in an iron meteorite?  I
> have only heard of sparse vugs found in one iron before and thought vesicles
> would most certainly disqualify an object from being an iron meteorite.  Has
> cosmic ray exposure testing been done?  It would be interesting to see how
> long this object has been in space.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Michael Johnson 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 8:17:14 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 24,
> 2010
>
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/LOVINA_METEORITE.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 24, 2010

[Adam Hupe]

Very interesting, what are voids (vesicles) doing in an iron meteorite?  I have 
only heard of sparse vugs found in one iron before and thought vesicles would 
most certainly disqualify an object from being an iron meteorite.  Has cosmic 
ray exposure testing been done?  It would be interesting to see how long this 
object has been in space.

Best Regards,

Adam





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From: Michael Johnson 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 8:17:14 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 24, 
2010

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/LOVINA_METEORITE.html

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[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 24, 2010

[Michael Johnson]

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/LOVINA_METEORITE.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] La Grange Pics

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks]

A rare video of LaGrange -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnMFOeEPUks

;)

On 2/24/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum  wrote:
> Matt:
>
> Here are some La Grange pics from Buchwald's Iron Meteorites.
>
>
> http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/012.jpg
> http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z.jpg
> http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z1.jpg
> http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z2.jpg
> http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z3.jpg
> http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z4.jpg
>
> Phil Whitmer
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[meteorite-list] La Grange Pics

[JoshuaTreeMuseum]

Matt:

Here are some La Grange pics from Buchwald's Iron Meteorites. 



http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/012.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z1.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z2.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z3.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z4.jpg

Phil Whitmer
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[meteorite-list] AD Millbillillie and AURE

[Tomasz Jakubowski]

Dear List Members,
I havefor sale a nice crusted Millbillillie 150.4 grams 99% of crust.
http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/Millbillillie150G#

Also Ureilite NWA 6069 Main Mass on eBay (Make Offer) :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190374636011&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
Great collector piece. I open also for trade.

And many nice looking NWA chondrites. Please ask what weight You are 
looking for, and I send photos..

All question please send to : illae...@gmail.com


Kind Regards
Tomasz Jakubowski
IMCA #2321


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