[meteorite-list] Fw: "Who is Dr. LaPaz"
From: rhartma...@earthlink.net To: sciencegraph...@msn.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Who is Dr. LaPaz" Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 01:11:00 -0800 > Nininger was standing on top of the main mass of the Norton County > Meteorite > when LaPaz and another museum head came onto the site. Not another museum head, but, rather, Dr. Frederick C. Leonard. BTW: Richard and I visited LaPaz at the U of New Mexico , probably 1963 or about, and he showed us the main mass of Norton County, which resided under a plastic hemisphere to protect it from visitors. He proudly opened drawers containing probably hundreds of small pieces, some of rather substantial size, and a cardboard box of about a cubic foot filled with very little pieces, a cm. or so each in volume. He picked one out and held it between his fingers, Naturally we were drooling over the possibility of him giving each of us one of these little "souvenirs". Instead, he pulverized it and let the dust fall to the floor, stating "Notice how friable this is!" We were told that "Lincoln has his eccentricities!" Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Dorothy Norton To: rhartma...@earthlink.net Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:49 AM Subject: FW: [meteorite-list] "Who is Dr. LaPaz" From: dar...@dof3.com To: alm...@kconline.com Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:53:00 -0500 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; photoph...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Who is Dr. LaPaz" While his contributions were many, I understand LaPaz's egotistical, toxic personality is well documented---including his enmity for Nininger. Best/ Darryl On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:57 AM, al mitt wrote: > Hi Shawn and all, > > I am sure that some people will disagree with my assessment of > LaPaz, but he > organized the collection at the UNM in Albuquerque, New Mexico and > seem to > want to discredit Dr. Nininger every chance he got. While he did > contribute > some to the understanding of meteorites he was no giant in the field > and > didn't contribute as much as Nininger was by any means. > > A lot of his fame is the Norton County Meteorite that he outbid > Nininger on. > Nininger was standing on top of the main mass of the Norton County > Meteorite > when LaPaz and another museum head came onto the site. My > understanding that > Nininger used some of LaPaz's information to triangulate the fall > but it > takes more than one set of observations for this. > > He help organize the Meteortic's Society with Nininger but later > tried to > get Dr. Nininger thrown out of the society. I believe that Nininger > resigned. He did spend a great deal of time trying to make Nininger > look > bad. The two were obvious rivials but not in a healthy sense. Probably > because Harvey Nininger was making his living finding and selling > meteorites > in order to fund his hunts and research. BTW Harvey made attempts to > get the > scientists and museums of that time to fund his program in order to > add to > their collections but no one thought it would work except Farrington. > Farrington was older and had health problems but wished he could > help in > Nininger's pursuit. > > LaPaz was also a hypocrite who frowned on anyone collecting > meteorites but > after his death a sizeable collection was found in his basement, he > was an > obvious closet collector. While he didn't help Nininger out, I have > always > felt that he might have been one of Nininger's inspirations to keep > going > and not letting anyone get in his way. Same with no one wanting to > give > Nininger a grant or position at any of the main museums or scientific > institutions of that time. It might have drove Nininger to work > harder in > order to get it done. > > --AL Mitterling > > > - Original Message - From: "Shawn Alan" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:26 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] "Who is Dr. LaPaz" > > > Hello Listers, > > Its been a crazy day in NYC today with the snow and slush but all > has melted > and I received a package in the mail today of a Norton County > meteorite, > weighing at 2.33g from Dr LaPaz collection. Within the package, I also > received copies of news paper clippings From the Norton Daily > Telegram, > dated May 1, 1948 from the meteorite fall, and Dr LaPaz comes up in > every > article. In one of the clippings there is a photograph of him > standing by > the meteorite being lifted out of the ground. I haven't read > anything about > Dr LaPaz till a week ago and was wondering what significance had he > had in > the meteorite community? I also Wiki him and from what I saw on > Wiki, Dr > LaPaz was smart guy and got his PhD at a young age. Lastly, along > with the > meteorite specimens I also received a trinitite fragment weighing at > 1.79g > that he had collected from the Trinity project and was wondering if > people > on the list knew much about this stuff. > > Shawn Alan > ___
[meteorite-list] Sahara 98505 Ureilite need
Dear List Members, I need slice of Sahara 98505 Ureilite for my research, if someone have please write to : illae...@gmail.com Kind REgards Tomek Jakubowski IMCA #2321 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 3, 2010
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show Photos
Hello Michael, Great pictures! > (Too bad Maria Haas didn't have any fun in Tucson). Ho Hum, I guess I'll just have to try again next year! ;o) Thanks for some great laughs, Maria > Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 19:33:43 -0800 > From: mlbl...@cox.net > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show Photos > > Yo... > Just got my photos up at: > > http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Tucson2010Photos.html > > Also, there is a link from my website and a link from this > Month's Meteorite Market Trends in METEORITE TIMES. > > (Too bad Maria Haas didn't have any fun in Tucson). > Best wishes, Michael > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ungrouped NWA 5297 & Buzzard Coulee's, Ending - AD
Dear List Members, Last week I announced a New and Ungrouped Achondrite, NWA 5297. Most of the specimens sold on eBay in less than two days, here are the last largest pieces if you are interested. Also are the only two Buzzard Coulee stones I have with Original Export Permits. These end tomorrow and Thursday. Buzzard Coulee w/ Original Export Permits: 7.9g Individual (98% fusion crust) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350321326332&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT 12.5g Individual (85% Primary 15% Secondary fusion crust) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170451067006&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT NWA 5297 Ungrouped Achondrite (Largest 9 pieces left, priced aggressively low!): 8.4g Individual (Last Complete Stone!) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350321315800&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT 5.1g End Cut (Last End Cut!) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170451055125&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT 2.07g part slice (Largest Slice Left!) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350322550854&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT 1.03g part slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350322551447&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT 994mg part slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350322551698&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT 524mg part slice (Has 2 Large Metal Grains!!!) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170452352338&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT 354mg part slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170452352662&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT 298mg part slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350322554079&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT 268mg part slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350322554671&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT You will not want to wait on these, once they are gone, no more except for a couple tiny crumbs of NWA 5297! Thank you for bidding and looking! Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault Dear List Members, I would like to announce a new Ungrouped Achondrite, NWA 5297. NWA 5297 is an Ungrouped Achondrite that was found in Morocco in early 2008. A total of nine small dark stones were collected with a combined Total Known Weight of just 130 grams. NWA 5297 does not fit in any of the known classification types, making it a very unusual meteorite. Image of 12.9g main mass: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5297/nwa5297e.jpg Image of 2.9g complete slice with large metal grain: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5297/nwa5297f.jpg Classification submitted to the Meteoritical Bulletin for NWA 5297: Northwest Africa 5297 Morocco Find: March 2008 Achondrite (ungrouped) History: Found near Alargoug, Morocco in March 2008 and purchased in June 2008 by Greg Hupé from a Moroccan dealer. Physical characteristics: A total of nine dark stones with visible metal and a combined weight of 130 g. Petrography: (A. Irving and S. Kuehner, UWS) This specimen has a poikiloblastic metamorphic texture with no chondrules and contains relatively abundant (~10 vol. %) Ni-rich metal. The major phases are olivine, orthopyroxene, taenite and very sodic plagioclase with minor Ni-bearing troilite. Geochemistry: Olivine (Fa28.6, FeO/MnO = 54.4), plagioclase (Ab86.2An9.1Or4.7), taenite (~10 wt.% Ni). Oxygen Isotopes (D. Rumble, CIW): replicate analyses of acid-washed silicate material by laser fluorination gave, respectively: d18O = 4.830, 5.032; d17O = 3.711, 3.818; D17O = 1.171, 1.171 per mil. Classification: Achondrite (ungrouped). This specimen is a metachondrite with an oxygen isotopic composition like those of LL chondrites; however, it contains too much metal to be regarded as a product of metamorphism of typical LL chondrites, and the olivine composition is outside the range for equilibrated LL chondrites. Specimens: A total of 20 g of sample and one polished thin section are on deposit at UWS. The main mass is held by Mr. Greg Hupé (GHupé). __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show Photos
Yo... Just got my photos up at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Tucson2010Photos.html Also, there is a link from my website and a link from this Month's Meteorite Market Trends in METEORITE TIMES. (Too bad Maria Haas didn't have any fun in Tucson). Best wishes, Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hundreds of fish fall out of the sky
A Tornado over water is capable of accomplishing this. It's not unprecedented -- From: "Ed Deckert" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:24 PM To: ; Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hundreds of fish fall out of the sky Sounds awful fishy to me. ;-) Ed - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Hundreds of fish fall out of the sky All, Residents stunned as hundreds of fish fall out of the sky over remote Australian desert town: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1254812/Hundreds-fish-fall -sky-remote-Australian-town-Lajamanu.html Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.14470 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.14470 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hundreds of fish fall out of the sky
Sounds awful fishy to me. ;-) Ed - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Hundreds of fish fall out of the sky All, Residents stunned as hundreds of fish fall out of the sky over remote Australian desert town: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1254812/Hundreds-fish-fall -sky-remote-Australian-town-Lajamanu.html Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.14470 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.14470 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools
Great example of a Taza meteorite used as an ancient tool here...photo from Dr Svend Buhl's site. Since Ensisheim last year this piece now sits proudly in my own collection. 3rd meteorite down on this page.. http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/Meteoritensammlung_12.htm Graham E, UK Richard Kowalski wrote: > Of course the Tucson Ring was used as an anvil. > > http://www.meteoritestudies.com/protected_TUCSON.HTM > > -- > Richard Kowalski > Full Moon Photography > IMCA #1081 > > > --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Greg Stanley wrote: > > > From: Greg Stanley > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 9:46 AM > > > > List: > > > > I was wondering if a meteorite would be more desirable if > > it was used as a tool; or if this has even been > > documented? I know there has knives made from irons, but > > I'm talking more like an irons being used for some purpose: > > perhaps a hammer for pounding. I cannot think of any other > > examples, but there may be more. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg S. > > > > > > > > > > _ > > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hundreds of fish fall out of the sky
Meatyorites? Graham, UK Greg Stanley wrote: > > Just think: if they had a "fishion" crust, everyone would have dinner cooked > Cajun or (blackened) style. > > Greg S. > > > > From: meteorh...@aol.com > > Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 12:54:40 -0500 > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Hundreds of fish fall out of the sky > > > > > > All, > > > > Residents stunned as hundreds of fish fall out of the sky over remote > > Australian desert town: > > > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1254812/Hundreds-fish-fall > > -sky-remote-Australian-town-Lajamanu.html > > > > Steve > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > _ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools ($33, 040.00)
Hello Listers, Since we are on the topic of meteorites being used for tools, here is a $33,040.00 meteorite being used as a tool today, check it out. http://www.electron-world.com/store/product.php?productid=34772 Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools
Uuuh please not... I think the "hammers" were (marketing) tool enough ;-) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Galactic Stone & Ironworks Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. März 2010 18:39 An: meteorh...@aol.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools Hi Folks, Is there some definitive or authoritative list of tool-box meteorites? I know Martin H. did a wonderful article on them, and several people can name a few, but does anyone keep an updated list (preferably online)? If not, then I think I have another project to undertake. :) The recent falls page is here (and will stay updated) - http://www.galactic-stone.com/pages/falls I could do a similar page for tool meteorites. :) Best regards, MikeG On 3/2/10, meteorh...@aol.com wrote: > All, > > Beaver, Oklahoma was used as a Jail door stop. ASU has a plant shucking > tool of some sort made from Toluca, Mexico if I remember correctly. > Leoville, Kansas was used to help weigh down a farm plow. Willamette was > used to > as a water bowl in rituals. Axtell, Texas was used as a door stop. Many > were used as door stops and as weights to hold down chicken shed roofs. > Sommervel County, Texas was found in a stone wall, as was Bethune, Colorado > as > I recall. One was used to melt down to make gun barrells. The list goes > on and on. > > Steve > > > > In a message dated 3/2/2010 10:47:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, > stanleygr...@hotmail.com writes: > > List: > > I was wondering if a meteorite would be more desirable if it was used as a > tool; or if this has even been documented? I know there has knives made > from irons, but I'm talking more like an irons being used for some purpose: > perhaps a hammer for pounding. I cannot think of any other examples, but > there may be more. > > Thanks, > > Greg S. > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Radar Map of Buried Martian Ice Adds to Climate Record (MRO)
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2010-072 Radar Map of Buried Martian Ice Adds to Climate Record Jet Propulsion Laboratory March 02, 2010 PASADENA, Calif. -- Extensive radar mapping of the middle-latitude region of northern Mars shows that thick masses of buried ice are quite common beneath protective coverings of rubble. The ability of NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter to continue charting the locations of these hidden glaciers and ice-filled valleys -- first confirmed by radar two years ago -- adds clues about how these deposits may have been left as remnants when regional ice sheets retreated. The subsurface ice deposits extend for hundreds of kilometers, or miles, in the rugged region called Deuteronilus Mensae, about halfway from the equator to the Martian north pole. Jeffrey Plaut of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., and colleagues prepared a map of the region's confirmed ice for presentation at this week's 41st Lunar and Planetary Science Conference near Houston. The Shallow Radar instrument on the orbiter has obtained more than 250 observations of the study area, which is about the size of California. "We have mapped the whole area with a high density of coverage," Plaut said. "These are not isolated features. In this area, the radar is detecting thick subsurface ice in many locations." The common locations are around the bases of mesas and scarps, and confined within valleys or craters. Plaut said, "The hypothesis is the whole area was covered with an ice sheet during a different climate period, and when the climate dried out, these deposits remained only where they had been covered by a layer of debris protecting the ice from the atmosphere." The researchers plan to continue the mapping. These buried masses of ice are a significant fraction of the known non-polar ice on Mars. The ice could contain a record of environmental conditions at the time of its deposition and flow, making the ice masses an intriguing possible target for a future mission with digging capability. The Shallow Radar instrument was provided by the Italian Space Agency, and its operations are led by the InfoCom Department, University of Rome "La Sapienza." Thales Alenia Space Italia, in Rome, is the Italian Space Agency's prime contractor for the radar instrument. Astro Aerospace of Carpinteria, Calif., a business unit of Los Angeles-based Northrop Grumman Corp., developed the instrument's antenna as a subcontractor to Thales Alenia Space Italia. The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter mission is managed by JPL for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems in Denver was the prime contractor for the orbiter and supports its operations. The California Institute of Technology in Pasadena manages JPL for NASA. Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov 2010-072 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Express Heading for Closest Flyby of Phobos
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMFKA6K56G_index_0.html Mars Express heading for closest flyby of Phobos European Space Agency 1 March 2010 ESA's Mars Express will skim the surface of Mars' largest moon Phobos on Wednesday evening. Passing by at an altitude of 67 km, precise radio tracking will allow researchers to peer inside the mysterious moon. Mars Express is currently engaged in a series of 12 flybys of Phobos. At each close pass, different instruments are trained towards the mysterious space rock, gaining new information. The closest flyby will take place on 3 March at 21:55 CET (20:55 GMT). >From close range, Mars Express will be pulled 'off-course' by the gravitational field of Phobos. This will amount to no more than a few millimetres every second and will not affect the mission in any way. However, to the tracking teams on Earth, it will allow a unique look inside the moon to see how its mass is distributed throughout. How will the ground teams make these tremendously sensitive measurements? Ironically, they will turn off all data signals from the spacecraft. The only thing that the ground stations will listen out for is the 'carrier signal' -- the pure radio signal that is normally modulated to carry data. With no data on the carrier signal, the only thing that can modulate the signal is any change in its frequency caused by Phobos tugging the spacecraft. The changes will amount to variations of just one part in a trillion, and are a manifestation of the Doppler effect -- the same effect that causes an ambulance siren to change pitch as it zooms past. Two dress rehearsals for this exacting operation have already taken place, allowing ground station personnel and spacecraft controllers to practise their various roles. Now it is time to do it for real. Originally planned for 50 km altitude, Mars Express will now pass Phobos at 67 km. A slight 'over performance' during a manoeuvre last week had put the spacecraft on a trajectory that included an occultation by Phobos. This meant that Mars Express would pass behind Phobos as seen from Earth. As this would jeopardise the tracking measurements, it was decided to perform another manoeuvre to position the flyby at a slightly higher altitude than originally planned. After the closest flyby, the work is not over. Mars Express will sweep past Phobos a further seven times before the campaign is complete. In addition to the tracking experiment, known as MaRS for Mars Radio Science, the MARSIS radar has already been probing the subsurface of Phobos with radar beams. "We have performed a preliminary processing of the data and the Phobos signature is evident in almost all the data set," says Andrea Cicchetti, Italian Institute of Physics of Interplanetary Space, Rome, and one of the MARSIS team. The camera, HRSC, will be used on the 7 March flyby, when Mars Express passes over the daylight side of Phobos at an altitude of 107 km, and will continue to be used during all the subsequent flybys, obtaining high-resolution images of the moon's surface. The other instruments will also get their chance to work. ASPERA is already studying the way charged particles from the Sun interact with the surface of Phobos. SPICAM, PFS, OMEGA are characterising the surface of the moon, with PFS also aiming to measure the temperature of Phobos' day and night sides. HRSC will pay particular attention to the proposed landing site for the Russian Phobos-Grunt mission, which is expected to launch in 2011/12. "All the experiments on Mars Express have something to say about Phobos," says Olivier Witasse, Mars Express Project Scientist, ESA. This is a bonus for science, considering that none of them were originally designed to study Phobos the moon, only Mars the planet. The science results from these flybys are expected in subsequent weeks or months, when the various teams have had time to analyse the data. More information: Updates as the flybys take place will be posted on the Mars Express blog, http://webservices.esa.int/blog/blog/7 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Metal content in Lunars?
Hi Listees, After posting some photos of my oddball brecciated meteorites, several of you emailed me to say that the meteorite resembled a weathered lunar - specifically one of the Shisr lunars from Oman. I must admit, that there is a strong resemblance between them. And I would be very fortunate and happy to find an unexpected 18-gram lunar hiding in my uNWA box. But, this meteorite has visible metal fleck in it and it exhibits attraction to a magnet. I have always been told (and read) than lunars are not attracted to magnets and rarely have any visible free metal. So, does the presence of metal and magnetic attraction rule out my weird breccia as a lunar? If so, then it's probably some kind of L or LL impact melt breccia like Bison. Which would still be interesting and fun, but a little anti-climactic after the lunar speculation. I'd like to direct this question to those folks who have handled a lot of lunars firsthand, like Adam and Greg Hupe, or some of the scientists on the List. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Hundreds of fish fall out of the sky
Heck...Each month in Southern California, thousands of fish make a midnight run out onto the beaches. They are called Grunion. :O) GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Hundreds of fish fall out of the sky
If they had fusion crust we all would try to sell them! - Forwarded Message > From: Greg Stanley > To: meteorh...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Tue, March 2, 2010 2:37:27 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hundreds of fish fall out of the sky > > Just think: if they had a "fishion" crust, everyone would have dinner cooked > Cajun or (blackened) style. Greg > S. > From: > ymailto="mailto:meteorh...@aol.com"; > href="mailto:meteorh...@aol.com";>meteorh...@aol.com > Date: Tue, 2 Mar > 2010 12:54:40 -0500 > To: > ymailto="mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"; > href="mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com";>meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Hundreds of fish fall out of the > sky > > > All, > > Residents stunned as hundreds > of fish fall out of the sky over remote > Australian desert > town: > > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1254812/Hundreds-fish-fall > > -sky-remote-Australian-town-Lajamanu.html > > Steve > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > ymailto="mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"; > href="mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com";>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > _ Hotmail: > Powerful Free email with security by > Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ __ Visit > the Archives at > > href="http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html"; > target=_blank > >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list > mailing list > href="mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com";>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > href="http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list"; target=_blank > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hundreds of fish fall out of the sky
Just think: if they had a "fishion" crust, everyone would have dinner cooked Cajun or (blackened) style. Greg S. > From: meteorh...@aol.com > Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 12:54:40 -0500 > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Hundreds of fish fall out of the sky > > > All, > > Residents stunned as hundreds of fish fall out of the sky over remote > Australian desert town: > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1254812/Hundreds-fish-fall > -sky-remote-Australian-town-Lajamanu.html > > Steve > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Desert Varnish, 100, 000-Year Old Meteorite, and Pluvial Lakes
In “Science page update / desert varnish on meteorites” at http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2010-March/061506.html , Sonny wrote: “I have added a thin section picture of desert varnish on my web page. This picture was taken at ASU of a meteorite displaying desert varnish estimated to be on earth for 100,000 years.” How exactly was the 100,000-year date for this "ancient dry lake bed meteorite" arrived at? I ask because if this meteorite was found on a dry lake in Nevada, the 100,000-year date would not make any sense in terms of the Pleistocene history of those lakes. Having a 100,000-year old meteorite lying on a lake bed would argue that that the lake has been dry for the past 100,000 years and there has been a lack of any sediment accumulation during the past 100,000 years. Either case is a physical impossibility for any of the Pleistocene lakes in the western United States as they were all full of water and the locations of active sediment accumulation during various pluvial episodes during the Pleistocene as discussed in Benson and Thompson (1987), Benson et al. (1990) Mifflin and Wheat (1979). Even as late as 12,000 to 14,000 BP, many of the western lakes were full of water and the sites of active sedimentation. Any meteorite that fell into these lakes before this time would be buried beneath Pleistocene lake deposits and certainly would not be lying on the surface of what is now a dry lake. Therefore, if the meteorite was found on a dry lake bed in the western United States, the alleged age of the 100,000-year meteorite is completely contradicted by the age of the dry lake bed on which it rests. Benson, L. V., R. I. Currey, R. I. Dorn, K. R. Lajoie, C. G. Oviatt, S. W. Robinson, G. I. Smith and S. Stine, 1990, Chronology of expansion and contraction of four Great Basin lake systems during the past 35,000 years. Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology. vol. 78, pp. 241–286. Benson, L. V., and R. S. Thompson, 1987, The physical record of lakes in the Great Basin. In: Ruddiman, W. F., Wright Jr., H. E., eds., The Geology of North America: North America and Adjacent Oceans during the Last Deglaciation K-3. Geological Society of America Bulletin, Boulder, CO, pp. 241– 260. Mifflin, M. D., and M. M. Wheat, 1979, Pluvial Lakes and Estimated Pluvial Climates of Nevada, Nevada Bureau of Mines and Geology, Reno, Nevada, 57 pp. Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - GREAT STUFF!
Dear List Members, Please be sure to check out this weeks auctions due to end this afternoon as I have been adding new items each week as they come out of preparation. You will find the best selection available anywhere of many rare and extraordinary specimens. There are 18 different decent sized planetary specimens started at just 99 cents with no reserve and there are 18 larger ones with the make offer option enabled. Then you will see that I listed 18 very rare types and also started them out at just 99 cents. You will not find a better selection on eBay where items tend to sell for less than half the price you will find on any website. To top it off, there are some falls and great finds! PLEAS BE SURE TO CHECK THEM OUT - GREAT STUFF! All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteori...@yahoo.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools
Greg, Here is a Navajo Indian made chip inlaid belt buckle probably from the 1970's that is made of melted cast Canyon Diablo meteorite material. A tool used to hold up somebody's pants. see link; http://tinypic.com/r/2zf38d0/6 Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Greg Stanley wrote: > > List: > > I was wondering if a meteorite would be more desirable if it was used as a > tool; or if this has even been documented? I know there has knives made from > irons, but I'm talking more like an irons being used for some purpose: > perhaps a hammer for pounding. I cannot think of any other examples, but > there may be more. > > Thanks, > > Greg S. > > _ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools
Hi Greg, Richard, Greg, GeoZay, Darryl, Tom, Eric, Steve, Mike, and list, The listing in the NHM Catalogue of Meteorites for Rodeo (Durango, Mexico) states: A mass of 97lb (44kg) was found about 7 miles NW of Rodeo and was used as an anvil for many years. The text of an article by O.C. Farrington about the the Rodeo meteorite can be found here: http://www.archive.org/stream/rodeometeorite31farr/rodeometeorite31farr_djvu.txt Google Books (books.google.com) has scanned pages from Vagn Buchwald's "Iron and Steel in Ancient Times," which describes in some detail how fragments of Coahuila, Toluca, Cape York, and other irons have been used as tools of various kinds. There's an interesting passage there about how the Inuit crafted nut-sized fragments of Cape York iron into useful items, using the largest masses as anvils and bringing in basaltic hammer stones from a location 50 km distant. Best wishes to all, Piper __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools
Hi Greg, Very nice specimen. It was obviously used as a tool. :) Now this has me wondering - could tool markings be faked to increase the value of a specimen? Is there any definitive way to test tool markings to see how old they are? This isn't in response to Greg's specimen, it's just a general question while we are on the subject. Best regards, MikeG On 3/2/10, Greg Stanley wrote: > > List: > > Take a look at this Iron I bought in Tucson. Weight is about 300 grams. > > Thanks for all the responses - seems like there always something new to > learn about meteorites. > > Any thoughts? > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/9106...@n04/?saved=1 > > Greg S. > > >> From: stanleygr...@hotmail.com >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 08:46:55 -0800 >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools >> >> >> List: >> >> I was wondering if a meteorite would be more desirable if it was used as a >> tool; or if this has even been documented? I know there has knives made >> from irons, but I'm talking more like an irons being used for some >> purpose: perhaps a hammer for pounding. I cannot think of any other >> examples, but there may be more. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Greg S. >> >> _ >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > _ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools
List: Take a look at this Iron I bought in Tucson. Weight is about 300 grams. Thanks for all the responses - seems like there always something new to learn about meteorites. Any thoughts? http://www.flickr.com/photos/9106...@n04/?saved=1 Greg S. > From: stanleygr...@hotmail.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 08:46:55 -0800 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools > > > List: > > I was wondering if a meteorite would be more desirable if it was used as a > tool; or if this has even been documented? I know there has knives made from > irons, but I'm talking more like an irons being used for some purpose: > perhaps a hammer for pounding. I cannot think of any other examples, but > there may be more. > > Thanks, > > Greg S. > > _ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hundreds of fish fall out of the sky
All, Residents stunned as hundreds of fish fall out of the sky over remote Australian desert town: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1254812/Hundreds-fish-fall -sky-remote-Australian-town-Lajamanu.html Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools
Hi Folks, Is there some definitive or authoritative list of tool-box meteorites? I know Martin H. did a wonderful article on them, and several people can name a few, but does anyone keep an updated list (preferably online)? If not, then I think I have another project to undertake. :) The recent falls page is here (and will stay updated) - http://www.galactic-stone.com/pages/falls I could do a similar page for tool meteorites. :) Best regards, MikeG On 3/2/10, meteorh...@aol.com wrote: > All, > > Beaver, Oklahoma was used as a Jail door stop. ASU has a plant shucking > tool of some sort made from Toluca, Mexico if I remember correctly. > Leoville, Kansas was used to help weigh down a farm plow. Willamette was > used to > as a water bowl in rituals. Axtell, Texas was used as a door stop. Many > were used as door stops and as weights to hold down chicken shed roofs. > Sommervel County, Texas was found in a stone wall, as was Bethune, Colorado > as > I recall. One was used to melt down to make gun barrells. The list goes > on and on. > > Steve > > > > In a message dated 3/2/2010 10:47:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, > stanleygr...@hotmail.com writes: > > List: > > I was wondering if a meteorite would be more desirable if it was used as a > tool; or if this has even been documented? I know there has knives made > from irons, but I'm talking more like an irons being used for some purpose: > perhaps a hammer for pounding. I cannot think of any other examples, but > there may be more. > > Thanks, > > Greg S. > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools
All, Beaver, Oklahoma was used as a Jail door stop. ASU has a plant shucking tool of some sort made from Toluca, Mexico if I remember correctly. Leoville, Kansas was used to help weigh down a farm plow. Willamette was used to as a water bowl in rituals. Axtell, Texas was used as a door stop. Many were used as door stops and as weights to hold down chicken shed roofs. Sommervel County, Texas was found in a stone wall, as was Bethune, Colorado as I recall. One was used to melt down to make gun barrells. The list goes on and on. Steve In a message dated 3/2/2010 10:47:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, stanleygr...@hotmail.com writes: List: I was wondering if a meteorite would be more desirable if it was used as a tool; or if this has even been documented? I know there has knives made from irons, but I'm talking more like an irons being used for some purpose: perhaps a hammer for pounding. I cannot think of any other examples, but there may be more. Thanks, Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Ebay auction ends in 1 hour
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Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools
Hi Greg, Richard's post echos my thoughts exactly... The Tucson Ring is one very famous example. There are/were numerous pieces of meteorite iron that were forged into tools and weapons of old including spears. See this article on Meteorite Times http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2008/feb08.htm and knives here: http://www.cosmiccutlery.com/knives.html All throughout ancient history cosmic iron has been made to serve man. Tools and weapons forged from meteorites are also very valuable. Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA On 3/2/2010 8:51 AM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Of course the Tucson Ring was used as an anvil. http://www.meteoritestudies.com/protected_TUCSON.HTM -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Greg Stanley wrote: From: Greg Stanley Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 9:46 AM List: I was wondering if a meteorite would be more desirable if it was used as a tool; or if this has even been documented? I know there has knives made from irons, but I'm talking more like an irons being used for some purpose: perhaps a hammer for pounding. I cannot think of any other examples, but there may be more. Thanks, Greg S. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools
hi greg spear points, daggers, fish hooks and awls have been documented and such products are worth a great deal. also consider the Inuit relied on cape york specimens as their sole source of iron until adm peary's swap meets. d, On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:46 AM, Greg Stanley wrote: List: I was wondering if a meteorite would be more desirable if it was used as a tool; or if this has even been documented? I know there has knives made from irons, but I'm talking more like an irons being used for some purpose: perhaps a hammer for pounding. I cannot think of any other examples, but there may be more. Thanks, Greg S. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools
I believe the ancient Egyptians used meteorite iron for some ritual tools? Also I think Eskimos used iron pieces from some huge meteorites up in the arctic for various tools...mainly for knives and spears. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools
Martin Horejsi coined the term "Tool box meteorite". I think he wrote an article on the idea and there were many more uses than I would of thought of. He had a huge slice of a meteorite that was used as a wheel chock to keep a wagon or cart from moving on a hill. I use a big NWA to set my hat on but we decided that does not count unless it was a natural uses of the stone prior to knowing it was "special". Uses after it is a known meteorite are just a novelty and do not make the stone a tool box meteorite. Tom In a message dated 3/2/2010 9:52:07 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, damoc...@yahoo.com writes: Of course the Tucson Ring was used as an anvil. http://www.meteoritestudies.com/protected_TUCSON.HTM -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Greg Stanley wrote: > From: Greg Stanley > Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 9:46 AM > > List: > > I was wondering if a meteorite would be more desirable if > it was used as a tool; or if this has even been > documented? I know there has knives made from irons, but > I'm talking more like an irons being used for some purpose: > perhaps a hammer for pounding. I cannot think of any other > examples, but there may be more. > > Thanks, > > Greg S. > > > > > _ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ > __ > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools
Hey Greg S., The Tucson Ring was used as an anvil. There was a somewhat small iron at the Tucson Show that was used to pound in tent stakes, that was bought from a Moroccan dealer. I think the value would go up because the items were used by prehistoric man as a tool. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: "Greg Stanley" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:46 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools List: I was wondering if a meteorite would be more desirable if it was used as a tool; or if this has even been documented? I know there has knives made from irons, but I'm talking more like an irons being used for some purpose: perhaps a hammer for pounding. I cannot think of any other examples, but there may be more. Thanks, Greg S. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools
Of course the Tucson Ring was used as an anvil. http://www.meteoritestudies.com/protected_TUCSON.HTM -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Greg Stanley wrote: > From: Greg Stanley > Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 9:46 AM > > List: > > I was wondering if a meteorite would be more desirable if > it was used as a tool; or if this has even been > documented? I know there has knives made from irons, but > I'm talking more like an irons being used for some purpose: > perhaps a hammer for pounding. I cannot think of any other > examples, but there may be more. > > Thanks, > > Greg S. > > > > > _ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools
List: I was wondering if a meteorite would be more desirable if it was used as a tool; or if this has even been documented? I know there has knives made from irons, but I'm talking more like an irons being used for some purpose: perhaps a hammer for pounding. I cannot think of any other examples, but there may be more. Thanks, Greg S. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Bagnone
I have just trade a slice of Bagnone broken in 3 slices, this is the UNIQUE 3 pieces available in private sector, one its in my collection, another one in another private collection and the last on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260561867936 no other pieces available seen the main mass its in the museum, this 3 pieces arrive from the piece cutted for the analysis matteo M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.org Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici http://www.chinellatophoto.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Recent Papers About Permian-Triassic Extinction
Flash Recovery Of Ammonoids After Most Massive Extinction Of All Time. Science Daily, Sep. 14, 2009. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090902122331.htm The paper is: Brayard ,A., G. Escarguel, H. Bucher, C. Monnet, T. Brühwiler, N. Goudemand, T. Galfetti, and J. Guex, 2009, Good Genes and Good Luck: Ammonoid Diversity and the End-Permian Mass Extinction. Science, 2009, vol. 325, no. 5944, pp. 1118 DOI: 10.1126/science.1174638 http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/325/5944/1118 Another article is: Mass Extinctions: 'Giant' Fossils Are Revolutionizing Current Thinking. Science Daily, Feb. 11, 2010. The paper is: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100210171413.htm Brayard A., A. Nutzel, D. A. Stephen, K. G. Bylund, J. Jenks, and H. Bucher, 2010, Gastropod evidence against the Early Triassic Lilliput effect. Geology. vol. 38, no. 2, pp. 147-150. DOI: 10.1130/G30553.1 http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/38/2/147 Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Microfossils Shed Light on Cretaceous/Palaeogene Extinction
Tiny Shelled Creatures Shed Light on Extinction and Recovery 65 Million Years Ago, Science Daily, March 1, 2010 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100301102805.htm “An asteroid strike may not only account for the demise of ocean and land life 65 million years ago, but the fireball's path and the resulting dust, darkness and toxic metal contamination may explain the geographic unevenness of extinctions and recovery, according to Penn State geoscientists.” Jiang, S. T. J. Bralower, M. E. Patzkowsky, L. R. Kump, and J. D. Schueth, 2010, Geographic controls on nannoplankton extinction across the Cretaceous/Palaeogene boundary. Nature Geoscience, DOI: 10.1038/ngeo775 http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ngeo775.html Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 2, 2010
WOW! A lunar mosaic! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: "Darryl Pitt" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 2,2010 absolutely gorgeous. On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:18 AM, mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_2_2010.html ___ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 2, 2010
absolutely gorgeous. On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:18 AM, mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_2_2010.html ___ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 2, 2010
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